tactic 1... get more freeps
tactic 2... get ever more freeps
tactic 3... show no skill what so ever
tactic 4... complain about everything
tactic 5... zergy zergy zergy zergy
tactic 6... wonder why creeps leave
the only reason we ever get a good fight is cause creeps are better than freeps. we group up, we work
together(mostly) we know our classes and we are aggressive. freeps on teh other hand are ####e. i mean
dahhu telling your raid next time i die im disbanding the raid.. you died once. hell i die twice every fight and
dont care abour it. too many star farming, its all about me, soft as melted butter, spoon feed, help me mummy
freeps on this server. and yes i sit in npc's...when its 18 v30 like again today. the 10minute stare fest near ly
when its 15v16. typical frizz.. why anyone groups with him i dont understand. oh i know, its cause he farms
the easy points on the map. and who doesent want points without working for them.. freeps thats who.
another example alloy siting in gv and not leaving till he has a full 24 man raid. did you even bother to find out
how many creeps out? we had 12.. so bringing 24 to the fight.. pointless. fbf is now so full of tools it could
open up its own home depot.
i sense this thread is a rage thread. however i will try to pull out the points i agree with as a freep. yes u could say my view is skewed but ill try anyways.
1. lately, more and more freeps have been coming out. they r indeed inexperienced. but they r still freeps, and do make somewhat of a difference. i see no way of changing this (this may have something to do with the fact that 30% of freeps ask of there is a group out the second they enter GV, do they have the potential to run solo? yes, but they lack the confidence to do so)
2. ^
3. if this is in reference to zerging the map, i see this both ways. a few hours yesterday we had a craid out that was zerging all of ec, tr rez, wtab, and everything in between. same thing happened when friz made a raid to compete against the craid, then the craid disbanded...hence the next 10 mins of freep zerging looking for the disbanded craid.
4. this is too general. i will admit to my few rageflips, however im technically doing the same as you are in this post
5. see 3
6. i cant say i blame the creeps logging when losing a few times to freeps. but the only solution you have is for there to b less freeps. sorry but noone can control that. ive talked to various freeps who love to group 100% when they r pvping, do i disagree with this? yes. r they ezmoding? absolutely. but who doesnt like to feel like a god? Sadly freeps will never learn their class fully if they r constantly grouped. but once again, we cannot tell them how to play.
freeps have always been more powerful than creeps. when freeps dont feel that superiority, they complain/rage/leave. I know this because i have done it. so you have the star farmers, the ppl who have a set number of deaths b4 they log, etc. i know it sucks, but i see no way of changing this.
sure i disagree with what friz does from time to time. in the past few days ive given him #### for pveing when there is a craid out. but he is the one to step forward and lead freeps when a raid is necessary. his intent is not to faceroll.
lastly, to the 'who wants points without working for them' we are all victims of this. the debate is what correlates to 'earning points'? to me when there r warg packs of 8+ ganking hunters near the rez, is that earning? or when hunters/champs with pocket cappys and healers gank greenies in HH? when burgs gank greenies at grams/lug rez? in my opinion none of these situations are earning points. they r basically free. y do u think i dont self heal or use cooldowns in 1v1s...cuz i dont feel i earned those points if i do.
i see your points for the most part. unfortunately i see no solution to most of them. imo honorable freeps would nerf themselves to make fights a bit more even. but sadly both u and i know that wont happen.
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Smegg, you cry to much and too often. Creeps and freeps do the same exact things. both sides zerg get over it. I have seen many many many days where creeps are grouped up and run around and zerg with you, however when the tables are turned you get sad face, flip to freep ooc and run your mouth or come on the forums.
You can again start calling out fbf because we generally dominate any raid you bring out, and wow you lie so much you believe your own lies. I have seen your groups sitting with almost 24 if not 24 and you have a war leader put out a banner saying you have 8. You need to learn how to count.
And since you think you know so much why don't you try spying some more and get the real facts smegg. I come out and if there is a creep raid i start a kin group only and we get around 10 in group from kin. If you have more numbers yes i will open it up to ooc. Don't be mad because even when you outnumber us our skill is much better than your red maw flanks.
And if you wanna take it a step further. why don't you come up with 6 or 12 creeps and take fbf on 6v6 or 12v12 and see what happens. then you will still cry.
The only thing you seem to do that you are good at is call those 20 min breaks in hopes the majority of the freeps leave so you can put your little zerg group back together and get your points. Or pve. I mean you gotta get points somehow right?
And how about you smegg with your lies to the creeps to justify a raid? Numerous times creeps have flipped over to lol at you and tell us how you will see someone from fbf out and you instantly jump in ooc and say fbf raid out putting together a raid and throw out your vent info etc... and the truth is its generally 3-6 fbf ppl ungrouped or a 5-6 man fbf group.
Now stop and think about something. When sword leads raids he has wiped our groups got points, rigs has done the same. Why is it when you lead you wipe over and over? Don't put up posts on the forums lying saying you call 20 mins breaks cause your group sucks or you have bad players in it. Take some responsibility and man up that you are not as good of a leader as those others that lead the creep raids. You say its hard to lead and target call on a defiler. All you do is dps you have even said so, so that should make it easy for you. Don't try to blame the creeps all the time when sword and rigs can take those same creeps and wipe the freeps.
And i guess if we are home depot that makes you a hole in the wall thrift store.
This Alloy post is hilarious. Fail Leader of FBF shows his insecurity again. Why are you here,when you could be spewing BS on VU? OHHHH! thats right VU is suspended. Geese I havent a clue why. Alloy the Star Farmer hiding in back of raids collecting unearned renown. If by some chance you would get 5 stars,everyone would know you didnt earn it. Kinda like a baseball hall of famer caught using steroids. They get an asterisks noting they are here but with suspicious circumstances. That equals fail just like you and your renown gain.
I watch the same cycle day after day. Creeps come out and freeps zerg in small groups. Then if creeps care enough to group and roll freeps. Soon after freeps leave or run and pve until they can get superior numbers to fight back. Sometime soon after Frizle comes out to start the Frizle PVE ADVENTURE. This is summed up by him gathering any and all freeps willing to be his meat shields for forthcoming zerg. This zerg will maintain all day until frizle gets killed a few times by a creep small group. After that Frizle leaves or cries in OOC for more freeps. Once freeps outnumber creeps (Sometimes 3 to 1 in freeps favor),then its time for fail FBF leader to show up and hide at back of rez camp for easy points.
Now its 3pm to 5pm EST. Many of early freeps are gone,still the guys like Frizle remain and collect up freeps for continuing zerg. Again this will remain until he gets rolled over a few times. Once in a while around dinner time there is lul. If so,creeps have a chance to work on maps and collect mats,until a new freep zerg arrives. In that interum is a small window for solo players to enjoy PVP. Freeps cant handle the idea of soloing creeps and the onslaught of zerging freeps starts anew. PVEing freeps and the intended rez camp starts the evening hours. At that time many freeps dominate the moors until a creep raid starts and the Red map begins. As the evening proceeds creeps roam until freeps gather twice the creep numbers.
At the time when guys like Smegg,Rigs,Swordmonkey come out for PVP,the moors is usually over run with freeps. Creeps are looking for a raid. If one is formed,freeps get rolled again,until they amass superior numbers. Most evening when its time for me to go the freeps outnumber as much as 200%. Honestly what player wants to face those odds? I know I dont. Summarized freeps can only win with superior numbers.
The timeline I describe isnt 100% accurate but merely a summary of events. Many variables have been omitted.
Back to the fail leader of FBF and his comment about who leads. Many time the creeps mentioned are in the same raid. Your point is incorrect. All I know is you wont get any fights worth having,by outnumbering your opponent. Bottom line is Freep raid leaders dont care about fun fights. All they want is easy points and bragging rights.
Note: Frizle gloats he got 100k in last few weeks. Well in his narrow focus of view,he has not realized many creeps have too. Some even out right surpass his 100k in same time period.
tactic 1... get more freeps
tactic 2... get ever more freeps
tactic 3... show no skill what so ever
tactic 4... complain about everything
tactic 5... zergy zergy zergy zergy
tactic 6... wonder why creeps leave
the only reason we ever get a good fight is cause creeps are better than freeps. we group up, we work
together(mostly) we know our classes and we are aggressive. freeps on teh other hand are ####e. i mean
dahhu telling your raid next time i die im disbanding the raid.. you died once. hell i die twice every fight and
dont care abour it. too many star farming, its all about me, soft as melted butter, spoon feed, help me mummy
freeps on this server. and yes i sit in npc's...when its 18 v30 like again today. the 10minute stare fest near ly
when its 15v16. typical frizz.. why anyone groups with him i dont understand. oh i know, its cause he farms
the easy points on the map. and who doesent want points without working for them.. freeps thats who.
another example alloy siting in gv and not leaving till he has a full 24 man raid. did you even bother to find out
how many creeps out? we had 12.. so bringing 24 to the fight.. pointless. fbf is now so full of tools it could
open up its own home depot.
As much as I hate to say it I have to agree with a lot stanach is saying (not the drama parts).
In the past weeks I've been joining freep raids and paying closer attention to the freeps. I can honestly say that most of the freeps have no idea what they are doing in a group. I've never seen such poor raid play. The freeps rarely push through, don't FF, always seem to be on a grudge kill going after smegg, splay, rash and such. I've been in freep raids a few times where the creeps only had 1 or 2 healers and we still go after wargs and wipe because of it. It truly is sad. Considering how powerful freeps are right now it is nuts to see the freeps wiping all the time with even/close to even numbers. Now that is about all I agree with.
You honestly think you are aggressive? I would say when you are on the offensive you are a bit aggressive but when you are on the defensive you play like pansies. Obviously when you are on the defense you shouldn't be charging or anything...I'm just saying you get way to conservative. Most of the times I've seen creeps in keeps they really just don't die much with the exception of greenies. You may consider that a "win" but I would just consider that killing the action.
You group up and work well together. I wouldn't say you all know your classes. I still see tons of poor play (mostly by wargs at this point). I've noticed the creep healers are a lot better then they had been in the past couple years though.
Funny that your tactic list is exactly what you do as well. I had imagined that PvP couldn't get more zergy then what our current creeps have been doing lately and I bet I even said I doubt the freeps would be that zergy. I sure as hell was wrong. Freeps seem to be bringing the zerg just as much. To be honest creeps seems to cry more then the freeps (at least in game). Every time I am on creep I see crying in ooc and just laugh about what they say.
When the freeps come out in force they come out for easy points and farming. It has always been like that I doubt it will change. That is the issue with lacking solid Pvp'rs on freep side. Remember all the OC/lug rez camps we use to get where freeps would flock to the moors. A good chunk of the freeps that are considered high rank now got the majority of their points from that.
I also feel like I should say this again. The wargs suck...honestly. I got to say they have succeeded in pissing most of us freeps off but have not succeeded in playing a warg. Honestly warg packs...you don't all have to bust sprint to chase down a single freep then not play for 10min because none of you have sprint. You don't all have to pounce at the same time either. You really should learn not to keyboard turn (although it is amusing).
And broodlust try and watch your morale for now on. I see you hips with full morale all the time so I assume you are just watching the wrong health bar.
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Ok, now aside from that slightly off topic link..... I would wager to say the creep and freep goals in the moors are exactly the same, which is get points, kills, kbs.... ect ect. The easiest and most surefire way to achieve such goals would be to get more people than the other side, preferably by a significant amount.
Seems like this post is just pointless rambling because it actually doesn't address a problem, zerging and flooding the moors with numbers is just a tactic to achieve a goal. The root of the problem is the implementation itself. Long story short, stop complaining about legitimate tactics and start sending constructive and creative feedback to turbine which changes the implementation of pvp to prevent zerging and numbers games. =)
Also you could also play a different game.... one which is more suited to pvp rather than pve. =)
Freep Tactics: Nothing is more amusing than seeing a LM (Frizle) use Frost Lore on a BA. Dont tell him,he is a player not knowing his class. He will implode.
and as for zerging... well.. i'll let the videos speak for themselves...
Um, my take away from this was "I'm so strong that an entire small raid can't kill me."
Was that your intention? To kind of prove the point a lot of people Creepside have been making - that the Freeps are a lot more powerful then they are?
Freep Tactics: Nothing is more amusing than seeing a LM (Frizle) use Frost Lore on a BA. Dont tell him,he is a player not knowing his class. He will implode.
High ranked BA tactics:
-pop evade with broken legs
-pop evade against tactical classes
-VT heavy armours at full health
With regards to the topic, both sides zerg. Always has and will be that way. Adapt.
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tactic 1... get more creeps
tactic 2... get ever more creeps
tactic 3... show no skill what so ever
tactic 4... complain about everything
tactic 5... zergy zergy zergy zergy
tactic 6... creeps leave
fixed.....
opps almost forgot...get on low ranked freep and send cry pst to freep in moors
March is national target forward healing month! do your part!
Personally I think the moors have been pretty fun the last month or so. We had a few epic fights in cows, up top of TR firing from perch to perch, fighting over a flag on top of red lug, open fields at xroads....and plenty of good 1v1s on top of that. Stop crying on the forums and start crying in your pillow.
Freep Tactics: Nothing is more amusing than seeing a LM (Frizle) use Frost Lore on a BA. Dont tell him,he is a player not knowing his class. He will implode.
traited correctly frostlore is effective vs. everything. with the increased induction time and suppressed tac damage. js
Not long ago,I lvld a Hunter to 75. I did this for one reason. To learned how they fight in pvp and why they make the choices they do. In that process I learned quite abit.
Wakelee I would suggest you do the same if you plan to pvp. Learn your opponents pros and cons. I say this in response to you post commenting on my view of the Lore Master and Frost Lore.
Concerning a Black Arrow, They have no Tactical skills save a cry called No You Don't. Secondly a change in my induction duration makes no difference in Skirmisher Stance. It is true a BA does have skills with inductions but they neednt be used if the inductions are changed by an opponent. Therefore Frost Lore is not effective vs. everything.
I read various sources on this subject and even sites such as Ten Ton Hammer. Say,if your opponent is ranged and dealing physical damage dont bother using Frost Lore. I havent covered all that the Frost Lore skill entails here but its safe to say. Any Lore Master using this on a BA is wasting their time.
Not long ago,I lvld a Hunter to 75. I did this for one reason. To learned how they fight in pvp and why they make the choices they do. In that process I learned quite abit.
Wakelee I would suggest you do the same if you plan to pvp. Learn your opponents pros and cons. I say this in response to you post commenting on my view of the Lore Master and Frost Lore.
Concerning a Black Arrow, They have no Tactical skills save a cry called No You Don't. Secondly a change in my induction duration makes no difference in Skirmisher Stance. It is true a BA does have skills with inductions but they neednt be used if the inductions are changed by an opponent. Therefore Frost Lore is not effective vs. everything.
LOL omg Splay do you try to act like an idiot or is it just who you are? Wake never said how effective it was, he just stated that it is effective, a ba without skirmisher it will be a 'hindering shot.'
Just because your not tactical doesn't mean it can't have any impact at all, go read up on your LM skills, not your hunter ones.
frost lore hits multiple targets so just because you happen to have it on you doesn't mean it was ment for you. LM's can't control who gets aoe debuffs.
ALSO ... before splay starts calling me a fail LM, I'm outta practice and too busy to play but I'm cuter than he is so I win!
frost lore hits multiple targets so just because you happen to have it on you doesn't mean it was ment for you. LM's can't control who gets aoe debuffs.
ALSO ... before splay starts calling me a fail LM, I'm outta practice and too busy to play but I'm cuter than he is so I win!
^ , see Splay, now go read up on your LMs and don't worry about why hunters are easy to beat
Both sides Zerg, both sides try to amass #'s until they can faceroll, both sides log when things don't go their way, both sides Zerg small groups, both sides show no mercy in killing people, both sides play dirty, both sides are meanies
I'm bored and this looked interesting, Bye
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tactic 1... get more freeps
tactic 2... get ever more freeps
tactic 3... show no skill what so ever
tactic 4... complain about everything
tactic 5... zergy zergy zergy zergy
tactic 6... wonder why creeps leave
the only reason we ever get a good fight is cause creeps are better than freeps. we group up, we work
together(mostly) we know our classes and we are aggressive. freeps on teh other hand are ####e. i mean
dahhu telling your raid next time i die im disbanding the raid.. you died once. hell i die twice every fight and
dont care abour it. too many star farming, its all about me, soft as melted butter, spoon feed, help me mummy
freeps on this server. and yes i sit in npc's...when its 18 v30 like again today. the 10minute stare fest near ly
when its 15v16. typical frizz.. why anyone groups with him i dont understand. oh i know, its cause he farms
the easy points on the map. and who doesent want points without working for them.. freeps thats who.
another example alloy siting in gv and not leaving till he has a full 24 man raid. did you even bother to find out
how many creeps out? we had 12.. so bringing 24 to the fight.. pointless. fbf is now so full of tools it could
open up its own home depot.
Was this a tongue in cheek thread making fun of yourself?
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, see Splay, now go read up on your LMs and don't worry about why hunters are easy to beat 
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