Let's see. I recently got to enjoy this game since it was free. I've been playing only for about four days by now. Rolled freaver and tried to rank up. Seems really challenging to be honest. Fights are unavoidable. The damage dealt is laughable to someone with high audacity and it feels at times that you are nothing more than a free farm kill.
But knowing quite well that I've been playing for so long here it just the matter of time to improve. Despite the grind is being awfully painful, plus total "unknowledge" about how to play reaver. I have do admit, this is pretty hard but not impossible.
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Why does anybody? Why did the freeps in Mirk that Mere would absolutely wreck keep coming back? Why do the voalings keep coming out? Ofs was more than happy to play easy mode, why aren't they as willing to play hard mode?
People move on in time friend. Action was still active through Moria and Mirkwood because the game was still relatively fun. Both sides have been on the other end of the stick. It's not that no one is willing to play hard mode. Most creeps I know love being the under dog. But the current RvR state is silly. Surely no one can deny that? Can you really blame any player for wanting to leave or take a break after 5yrs of a non progressive PvP arena?
Between the above, RL and other game releases...with little knowledge of the behind the scene situation, people stay true to their assumptions. Amusing, but cute.
Why does anybody? Why did the freeps in Mirk that Mere would absolutely wreck keep coming back? Why do the voalings keep coming out? Ofs was more than happy to play easy mode, why aren't they as willing to play hard mode?
Oh, we're out here big guy. Last night for instance.
Creepside can really drain a person of energy lately, especially when it's PvP like the usual.
Thank you for recognizing that leading on Creepside isn't fun, isn't easy, and isn't forgiving. So thanks for giving all of us creeps who have continued to play Creepside during this distortion in the Balance of Power a big thumbs up.
I played this game through the worst times of SoA and MoM. I have zero interest in playing a game where the developers have proven time and time again that they care absolutely nothing about the players, and even less about creeps. This description from Sezneg about what happened behind the scenes during Audacity testing sums up the mass of stupidity that is Turbine:
Oh, we're out here big guy. Last night for instance.
Creepside can really drain a person of energy lately, especially when it's PvP like the usual.
Thank you for recognizing that leading on Creepside isn't fun, isn't easy, and isn't forgiving. So thanks for giving all of us creeps who have continued to play Creepside during this distortion in the Balance of Power a big thumbs up.
We appreciate your gratitude.
What us? I've been 100% creep since ROI. Sure I don't have the experience as you but I'm taking my lumps out there every time I log in. And I freeped from about 09 through ROI taking my lumps that way too. I was in the freep raids that you'd destroy Mere. I've had 9 BA dots stacked on me, been stunned by wargs in a knockdown I couldn't get out of and focus fired a target to have it full healed by Uruk Heal.
Now? You just sit on the rock by the tents at grams all night and complain in OOC about how tough it is. I'm just a scrub, I don't lead and really I'm a fail warg and reaver, but I'd follow you to hell and back, as would most of the creeps out there. I get the fact it can become unfun, I got ec'd last night for 9k. I get it. But to lead when its easy and bail when its hard, says something.
What us? I've been 100% creep since ROI. Sure I don't have the experience as you but I'm taking my lumps out there every time I log in. And I freeped from about 09 through ROI taking my lumps that way too. I was in the freep raids that you'd destroy Mere. I've had 9 BA dots stacked on me, been stunned by wargs in a knockdown I couldn't get out of and focus fired a target to have it full healed by Uruk Heal.
Now? You just sit on the rock by the tents at grams all night and complain in OOC about how tough it is. I'm just a scrub, I don't lead and really I'm a fail warg and reaver, but I'd follow you to hell and back, as would most of the creeps out there. I get the fact it can become unfun, I got ec'd last night for 9k. I get it. But to lead when its easy and bail when its hard, says something.
You made me log on the forums so I can correct you on this. Umm.. Mere was leading last night till around 12am when he had to log off to get some sleep since he had a conference early this morning. Usually he'd lead till he passes out around 2 or 3am. He's been leading these last few days again. The guy has been playing this game's PvP since 2007, lol. Give him a break, dude.
Mere has probably around 14k deaths now. Not as much as Beatle, though. (Since Beatle is quite the suicidal reaver, lol) But it shows that he doesn't care that he dies. He tells me this every time in vent whenever I complain at him for going afk on stab and getting zerged, lol.
And Mere has been Creeping since MoM. MoM?! That was pure easymode for freeps. Anyone who played during that time can tell you that. Sure, he played his hunter a little bit, but as did I with my LM. I then realized how stupidly easy it was and came to Creepside and that was that. Mere did the same. I would know, because he used to advertise for Zam's raids and I'd always send him a tell and he'd always be nice enough to toss me an invite. (Cuz Zam is a dick to me and wouldn't invite me <3) I play freepside here and there once in a while whenever some of us from OFS feel like playing it, but I love Creepside. As does Mere. He wouldn't be rank 14 if he didn't, ffs.
Was moot May 20th, 2008 - Age of Conan
Was moot Sept 18th, 2008 - Warhammer Online
Was moot Sept 10th, 2010 - Aion
Was moot March 4th, 2011 - Rift
Was moot on Dec 20th, 2011 - Star Wars The Old Republic
LOTRO has more endings of the world than the Mayans.
You made me log on the forums so I can correct you on this. Umm.. Mere was leading last night till around 12am when he had to log off to get some sleep since he had a conference early this morning. Usually he'd lead till he passes out around 2 or 3am. He's been leading these last few days again. The guy has been playing this game's PvP since 2007, lol. Give him a break, dude.
Mere has probably around 14k deaths now. Not as much as Beatle, though. (Since Beatle is quite the suicidal reaver, lol) But it shows that he doesn't care that he dies. He tells me this every time in vent whenever I complain at him for going afk on stab and getting zerged, lol.
And Mere has been Creeping since MoM. MoM?! That was pure easymode for freeps. Anyone who played during that time can tell you that. Sure, he played his hunter a little bit, but as did I with my LM. I then realized how stupidly easy it was and came to Creepside and that was that. Mere did the same. I would know, because he used to advertise for Zam's raids and I'd always send him a tell and he'd always be nice enough to toss me an invite. (Cuz Zam is a dick to me and wouldn't invite me <3) I play freepside here and there once in a while whenever some of us from OFS feel like playing it, but I love Creepside. As does Mere. He wouldn't be rank 14 if he didn't, ffs.
I'm not one to agree easily with anyone but I agree 100%. Try leading for a few years before you pop in to put in your 2 cents in. I'd have to say that since I came back things are as....'challenging' as it was 4+ years ago and I was new at this. It doesn't bother me that freeps are so op or that if you do start now you are definately facing a steep challenge to have a chance to compete. I'd recommend that any new folks try the freep side first so you have something to fall back on after you burn out on the creep side. Well said P.
Ancient spider of the moors (5 years and counting). I miss Nidor....
Was moot May 20th, 2008 - Age of Conan
Was moot Sept 18th, 2008 - Warhammer Online
Was moot Sept 10th, 2010 - Aion
Was moot March 4th, 2011 - Rift
Was moot on Dec 20th, 2011 - Star Wars The Old Republic
LOTRO has more endings of the world than the Mayans.
So true. Sure it could happen but then so could a large rock impacting the earth but I guess if you keep proclaiming doom eventually you will be so right you can bask in your right-ness for at least a couple days.
Ancient spider of the moors (5 years and counting). I miss Nidor....
Try leading for a few years before you pop in to put in your 2 cents in.
Whatevs. I've coached quite a bit in my time.. That's leading in RL you know, strange place that.. Some years at the start of the season you go, "Oh this is gonna be sweet" and some years you look at your players and you go, "sigh its gonna be a long year". But you do it anyway, even as a volunteer because if you only stick around for the good times and bail on everyone during the bad well...
Btw, and I guess I have to profess I'm becoming a bit of a fan. 9 IR were camping grams last night against and this was just a visual count, 30+ creeps. 3 to 1 and they just waited for the push. Wow some zergers these guys are.
Was moot May 20th, 2008 - Age of Conan
Was moot Sept 18th, 2008 - Warhammer Online
Was moot Sept 10th, 2010 - Aion
Was moot March 4th, 2011 - Rift
Was moot on Dec 20th, 2011 - Star Wars The Old Republic
LOTRO has more endings of the world than the Mayans.
Half those games aren't comparable in any form.
AoC - Who didn't realize that was a steaming pile with Funcom written all over it?
WAR - Had plenty of potential that was never realized
Aion - Korean grind that made lotros grind pale in comparison
Rift - Still a far superior game to lotro without the IP to back it up.
SW:ToR - An IP that has overall failed in regards to video games (let alone mmos) put out by a company that has never done an mmo and a company most despise (EA)
None of those game even compare to what we have been offered in beta for GW2.
Also I never said lotro would end, it is driven by its pve side. Turbine could absolutely shut the doors to the moors right now and the game would still go on. But the fact is the launch of a vastly superior game with vastly superior pvp coupled with turbines own blunders in ignoring pvp almost entirely is going to cause a massive decline in pvp pop. Thats not adding in them releasing constantly buggy subpar content as paid xpacs, taking a Orwellian forums policy and even stuff that is not their fault like the decline of the community.
One can argue that the quantity of people in pvp will still be there to some extent but surely not the quality (and I think we see that on a regular basis).
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AoC - Who didn't realize that was a steaming pile with Funcom written all over it?
WAR - Had plenty of potential that was never realized
Aion - Korean grind that made lotros grind pale in comparison
Rift - Still a far superior game to lotro without the IP to back it up.
SW:ToR - An IP that has overall failed in regards to video games (let alone mmos) put out by a company that has never done an mmo and a company most despise (EA)
All true, but every one of them were treated just like GW2 when they were in their beta's by the lotro pvp community.
None of those game even compare to what we have been offered in beta for GW2.
Also said about every one of them in their betas.
Also I never said lotro would end, it is driven by its pve side. Turbine could absolutely shut the doors to the moors right now and the game would still go on. But the fact is the launch of a vastly superior game with vastly superior pvp coupled with turbines own blunders in ignoring pvp almost entirely is going to cause a massive decline in pvp pop. Thats not adding in them releasing constantly buggy subpar content as paid xpacs, taking a Orwellian forums policy and even stuff that is not their fault like the decline of the community.
I don't disagree but again this was said about lotro in relation to all the games said above.
One can argue that the quantity of people in pvp will still be there to some extent but surely not the quality (and I think we see that on a regular basis).
Again I don't disagree, but I think the quality of the community has far more to do with WoW getting older and their gamers coming here and LOTRO being F2P has more to do with it than the pvp content.
All true, but every one of them were treated just like GW2 when they were in their beta's by the lotro pvp community.
I can only honestly speak from my own exp and views that I had heard from the limited amount of people that I had talked to that had played those games in beta but the amount of polish, fun and pvp balance I did not exp in other games. Nor the engagement, I do not think one can doubt the power a good IP has in maintaining a pop even when the game itself is stale. I think that alone is the reason despite quiet a bit of worries from the beta community, swtor had a pretty impressive launch. While GW2 has a great story and ties in with the original it is not an IP that is as easily got into as say LoTR and SW. Despite this it is without a doubt engaging on its pve side via the way the game is designed.
Now while my own opinion and the views I have heard are limited and not a great sample size they are much better then what I got from those other games in beta. I will also add in at last that I think GW2 pvp will be more acceptable to the lotro pvp crowd as WvW is more akin to the moors (in regards to a more casual friendly open world type instanced pvp) then what we have seen in the other games save WAR.
In regards to the things said about turbine/lotro yes those things have been said, continuously obviously. I do realize that sometimes it is us just being mmo gamers, and also a lot is being tired of the same old map for 5 years. But the fact is while it was said about lotro when others games came and is still being said to this day (with more issues piled on) does not bode well honestly. Some people will always be willing to put up with it, not because the really enjoy it or that it is just them and the game (surely pvp wise) isn't stagnant and pretty broken, but because they have made plenty of friends here and don't want to start new in a new game or the fact that the IP just holds them.
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Again I don't disagree, but I think the quality of the community has far more to do with WoW getting older and their gamers coming here and LOTRO being F2P has more to do with it than the pvp content.
Well yes the f2p and some of the more disagreeable WoW people coming in has a lot to do with it true, but the loss of vets through either leaving for other games (or just mmos altogether) or other sadder circumstances has definitely put a hamper on it as well. Now the latter we sadly cannot do anything about, but the former you can wonder if turbine would have put in more effort or even showed a concern for this part of their customer base would those people still be here?
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Well yes the f2p and some of the more disagreeable WoW people coming in has a lot to do with it true, but the loss of vets through either leaving for other games (or just mmos altogether) or other sadder circumstances has definitely put a hamper on it as well. Now the latter we sadly cannot do anything about, but the former you can wonder if turbine would have put in more effort or even showed a concern for this part of their customer base would those people still be here?
I agree 100% on turbine's lack of interest in developing PVP especially in their catering to the casual crowd pve-wise leads to the downfall of our community. But that doesn't make GW2 a better game any more than it did Aion, SWTOR or AOC. Turbine hasn't cared about the community since Patience left.
Turbine hasn't cared about the community since Patience left.
This is it. Patience was the best thing Turbine had going for them, she was great at relaying information, communicating with the fan base, and all around was a great community manager. You are absolutely right, ever since she left, the community has only gone downhill.
All true, but every one of them were treated just like GW2 when they were in their beta's by the lotro pvp community.
Also said about every one of them in their betas.
I don't disagree but again this was said about lotro in relation to all the games said above.
Again I don't disagree, but I think the quality of the community has far more to do with WoW getting older and their gamers coming here and LOTRO being F2P has more to do with it than the pvp content.
*sigh* I wonder how you have the will to fight for this game.
LOTRO WILL NOT DIE. It won't. It's mainly a PvE game. A minority of the PvE population will leave but a significant majority of PvP will leave too. The only advantage LOTRO has over GW2 is that, well, it's Lord of the Rings. You will notice a decline in population come 28th August.
Saying "thats what the other games said" isn't a great counter-argument. GW2 is not all the other games. This is a new generation of MMO's. I guarantee in a few years time more MMO's will be in the making "trying" to be like GW2 but failing like old MMO's tried with WoW.
Perhaps you can list some reasons why people should stay at Lotro...?
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Whatevs. I've coached quite a bit in my time.. That's leading in RL you know, strange place that.. Some years at the start of the season you go, "Oh this is gonna be sweet" and some years you look at your players and you go, "sigh its gonna be a long year". But you do it anyway, even as a volunteer because if you only stick around for the good times and bail on everyone during the bad well...
Btw, and I guess I have to profess I'm becoming a bit of a fan. 9 IR were camping grams last night against and this was just a visual count, 30+ creeps. 3 to 1 and they just waited for the push. Wow some zergers these guys are.
Your time sounds rather limited but if we are going to go that way I've probably got a few more 'real-life' years on you but in any event good job on those coaching 'years'. Now back to the subject: (although I'm not sure what that was using this reply as a guide so I'll just let it go as I've lost what point you are trying to make as it applies to lotro).
Ancient spider of the moors (5 years and counting). I miss Nidor....
going to the moon is not impossible... all you need is a team of astronauts, a team of scientists, specially designed food, a space suit, a &&&&in SPACE SHIP, oh and money to fund it all. :P
Or a little bit of patience, skilled group of creeps with positive attitude, plenty of pots, food, and sheer human willpowah. At worst skimming running freeps on low morale from massive brawls also works sometimes. Cawardly but efficient.
Pvp during the day. 24 creeps 10+freeps. Creep slaughter while the freeps have the outnumber buff. Meanwhile half those 24 are questing *and griping since they are just easy fodder for the freeps*. Freeps race around killing solo's, play at taking keeps just to slaughter more creeps who want to defend but never staying anywhere the odds stop being 10+ against 5 or less. The only interesting fights occur around the ress areas where at least a creep death doesn't mean either a long run from grams or waiting on maps to come open. Perfect environment for hunters to hide and slaughter, and solo freeps can have a blast (I assume) playing at being an elite freep due to op skills till they are eventually overwhelmed or they ride back to gv).
Still, I will never play a freep in the moors (or in game much) but instead will play a warg once in a great while since stealth and speed are about the only things left to do if you want a reasonable chance at success.
edit: did I mention how much I dislike playing a warg.....
Ancient spider of the moors (5 years and counting). I miss Nidor....
I heard people were like...you know...still posting here and stuff.
I miss you all, but not enough to log in currently...not that I would expect you to care of course. But I do hope Turbine gives me a reason to check in again. I checked in and Stylen gave me all the reasons I need to stay away currently as it is not even worth the time it would take PvEing in the Moors to obtain the armor.
I am sure I could gank noobs but when you are used to being one of the top players for your perspective class (in my humble opinion :P ) I want to be able to have fun competitive fights against the best creeps.
Anyways, see many of you in uildg arsw wot.
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I heard people were like...you know...still posting here and stuff.
I miss you all, but not enough to log in currently...not that I would expect you to care of course. But I do hope Turbine gives me a reason to check in again. I checked in and Stylen gave me all the reasons I need to stay away currently as it is not even worth the time it would take PvEing in the Moors to obtain the armor.
I am sure I could gank noobs but when you are used to being one of the top players for your perspective class (in my humble opinion :P ) I want to be able to have fun competitive fights against the best creeps.
Anyways, see many of you in uildg arsw wot.
I was gone for a long time this time and alot has changed (at least for a weaver) so it's taking a while to get back into the pvp. But after a rough few days where I almost gave up (due the the many and massive crits coming from freeps) I'm feeling better about things. I've lost track of the number of times I've been in smaller fights with a couple freeps and maybe 6 creeps. It feels like you are fighting engergizer bunnies as the freeps keep recharging their morale over and over as they wade through us like wheat to the scythe. So for creeps you better be ready to die alot and if freep it would seem at least to me that they are having a blast.
In 3 random 1v1's yesterday I lost to a mini but at least I got to put up a fight and in the other two fights I survived the opening salvos from a couple burgs to end up in a draw (where they hips and I live). Weavers have one decent attack/heal that does about 25% of it's listed damage to freeps (I originally just thought it was a heal due to the high mitigation freeps have) but it's my best attack against npcs hitting for over 1000 to 1500 at times.
Overall the moors are where you find lots of creeps trying to quest for infamy and comms who then get ganked by a group of freeps and the remaining creeps trying to fight an overpowered enemy trading lots of deaths for the occassionly kill. I can live with that. (higher ranked wargs with higher audacity seem to be the way to go if you want to win more but it's just not my cup of tea so for now mummy fights on with audacity 1 while feeling like a 90 year old driving in crazy city traffic just wildly punching buttons (and cursing the crazy driving)..... Miss you to WF.
Ancient spider of the moors (5 years and counting). I miss Nidor....
I'm fairly new to PvP (and LOTRO per se), but I like it so far. Sure I get ganked and I don't stand toe-to-toe against most freeps because I'm still at Aud1 even at r6, but it's worthwhile for me because of the community. Except for the QQing at OOC, I like the people I quest/raid with and I try to make friends because the complete PvP experience imo is also grounded on the social aspect.
./salute to craid/croup and fraid/froup leaders, for living up to your your moors rep ^^
&respect to Margey, too, for not ganking me even though he knows I don't stand a chance + having a sense of humour with that red dress
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Since this thread is titled "your thoughts" not some statistical nerd off I am going to simply offer my opinion.....if that's even allowed these days...
In the past four years I have played this game, I always played my freeps and I thought the creeps where just whining about everything. Now that I have been playing my creep it is MY OPINION that they really are underpowered. Although a generalization based on class and the player themself, I myself would love the challenge of it being more equalized.
Again, my opinion ...you don't need to post me stats....nerdrage....say I suck or anything other.
Since this thread is titled "your thoughts" not some statistical nerd off I am going to simply offer my opinion.....if that's even allowed these days...
In the past four years I have played this game, I always played my freeps and I thought the creeps where just whining about everything. Now that I have been playing my creep it is MY OPINION that they really are underpowered. Although a generalization based on class and the player themself, I myself would love the challenge of it being more equalized.
Again, my opinion ...you don't need to post me stats....nerdrage....say I suck or anything other.
Since this thread is titled "your thoughts" not some statistical nerd off I am going to simply offer my opinion.....if that's even allowed these days...
In the past four years I have played this game, I always played my freeps and I thought the creeps where just whining about everything. Now that I have been playing my creep it is MY OPINION that they really are underpowered. Although a generalization based on class and the player themself, I myself would love the challenge of it being more equalized.
Again, my opinion ...you don't need to post me stats....nerdrage....say I suck or anything other.
How weak you are as a creep is quite dependent on how much you have it ranked/whether you have the rank/tp gated skills. Although even when maxed, your potential is quite lower than most freep classes, I wouldn't call a high-ranked creep weak.
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