Thread: Your Thoughts on PvP

Originally Posted by klover307

people like these new IR transfers NEVER solo

Blasphemy!

I've seen 2 IR peoples solo.

Originally Posted by Xenephobe375

We are not about gaining max numbers and zergging creeps. And yes, I understand that sometimes we may zerg the solo greeny or two with our groups. It's unfortunate but it happens.



Same goes for higher numbers as well. We will always fight as long as the numbers are reasonably balanced.

The opportunity is always there for you creeps to have fun out there. Especially when you see some IR folk.

Just tell it straight bro. Your camping ungrouped greenies with greater numbers while the "RvR" if it can even be called that is happening elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Undertaker1

Blasphemy!

I've seen 2 IR peoples solo.

Me too

Originally Posted by klover307

you obviously didn't read my above post

i quit pvp because i am a champ at heart and the champ class is disgustingly easy i.e why i made videos to prove how op the class has become, because some said champs still think think the class isn't op. i've also tried to have fun on creepside believe me, i tried to solo on my warg all the time but like this post said



people like these new IR transfers NEVER solo, so whats there to do for someone like me who only likes to solo out there? farm npcs lol sure thing. you say you "solo" well i know thats a lie because no one solos and if you DID solo you would know why the REAL solo'ers do not play this game anymore.



i love you lucky lol

Im a new Iron Ranger and I run around Solo all the time and SO do alot of other rangers... but some chose to group up and thats their thing , so Let it be .
Its sad when people complain how others play a game... yes it just a game

On to Another Topic
Welcome to brandy
Fungo

Originally Posted by mager555

Just tell it straight bro. Your camping ungrouped greenies with greater numbers while the "RvR" if it can even be called that is happening elsewhere.

Are you calling yourself a greenie? lol

And Soleus, while I understand the champion class is easy, it's 10x easier when all you do is trait and have all your LIs centered towards glory. No way in hell can you do any of the things you do in your videos not traited that way.

Originally Posted by TheGreatWhiteRhyno

Its sad when people complain how others play a game... yes it just a game[COLOR=#daa520][B]

how bout you read what you color quoted from me again

Originally Posted by klover307

if you DID solo you would know why the REAL solo'ers do not play this game anymore.

very few ever solo's anymore. thats a fact no one can dispute. if you do find a solo freep/creep, they are likely on their way to a group, which when run over by a larger group, will get more numbers if they can and zerg right back. will go back and forth until no more numbers are attainable/lag becomes completely unbearable.

theres a reason i have been in a grand total of 5 groups in the past year on my reaver(half of those being PVE for these dumbass comms). the mentaility of "they did it, so im gonna do it" basically screws and RvR fights. true, freep healing and dps is insane right now, and even number fights are anything but "even", but the mentality still applies to most creeps. its why i dont group on my reaver, i refuse to be led around just to zerg/be zerged.

VERY few on either side solo, and those that do barely even play in the moors anymore. sad really, as i have had some good fights, and will miss them

Originally Posted by mager555

Just tell it straight bro. Your camping ungrouped greenies with greater numbers while the "RvR" if it can even be called that is happening elsewhere.

Hey dudebrosinski. I figured someone would post a screen shot eventually.

Please tell me how we have greater numbers.

Also tell me how all these creeps are greenies.

Also tell me how we are "camping" these creeps?

And finally, we did kill that "other raid" multiple times. We wiped them in TA a couple times. By dragon rock once. In isen once. It seems they had no interest in fighting our group anymore towards the end of the night.

We never got above 12 people the entire night. At one point we tracked 30+ creeps and yet we still stuck around.



You call this ungrouped greenies?

Thanks Brah

Pretty much everyone in this thread is being hypocritical. Pointing fingers for zerging? /lol

Originally Posted by klover307

l

Hahahahahaha that picture just made this thread. +rep

People that typically form raids don't understand the imbalance it creates in general.
Discuss.

Why the hell do people still play this game?

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Why the hell do people still play this game?

i play PVE cause of the people ik. have played my reaver like 4 times in the past 3 weeks though...its just not that fun anymore

My thoughts on PvMP?
I gave it a chance. Seriously, I tried it on my freeps and creep. Tried solo, tried raids. Solo got zerged all the time. Raids are a mess. PvMP is not my thing here. I love LOTRO for PvE but for PvP I play SWTOR
SWTOR Battle Zones are just what I like - 15-20 min intensive fights where you can actually FIGHT someone. At lvl10 I stepped in battlezone and fought alongside and against lvl50s and was able to get my kills. Yes, they got the tech to scale yoru char to average lvl49 once you enter a Warzone.
Yesterday after failed Draig raid due to no burgs I did 4 SWTOR battlezones and all finished with 30+ kills and 3-5 deaths.... I mean, dont play with "get skills, n00b" card here. Actually I know way better my LOTRO chars than my SWTOR ones. But SWTOR actually got a mechanic for PvP. Every class has the minimum utilities to survive, to CC and get out-of-CC himself. The fights are not 10-15sek but actually long enough so you can move, use terain and buildings for cover, recover, etc... (Audacity here got a good intentions and pretty bad implementation IMO). Sadly, classes in LOTRO lack those simple utilities to do PvP. Thats why some who actualy got those are exploited (burgs, champs, minis...) and considered OP against those who dont have them. And no, I dont mean store bought pots, I mean the minimum skills to counter what you will encounter in PvP.

I know, what I say is not open world PvP, its limited size map, but at least every team got its objectives and they FIGHT. There is not much place to cower and run away if your precious life is fading away... Something we see way too offen in LOTRO PvMP.

So, answering the OP question, I already left for a game that got better (IMHO) PvP.

YOU SUCK BECAUSE I SAID SO.

Is what this thread has turned into. /surprised

I might as well join the drama too.

My 2¢ on IR. I cant talk about their recent raiding because i havent been on, buuut... Penion used to invite me to a 3 man with him and Jhingle maybe, 3-4 times. Most of the time, we were fighting a 6-9 man mixed group/warg pack, and we never expanded to fight these; just handled them with us 3. Again, I cant speak on the topic of raiding, but this is my experience with them.

Also, lol @ all you guys complaining about zerging, so hypocritical. Exception, sole.

Originally Posted by Prancey

I didn't say anything about wanting them to play how I want them to play. I was just agreeing with what Evil said and explaining what I have personally experienced these last few days when I log on.

I don't know these guys as I've been a creep since they arrived so I'm not sure how I wound up defending them but what do you want them to do? You complain that they are zerging, or agreeing with Bevis who is complaining that they are zerging. When you make a complaint unless its utterly pointless and if you want to admit you have no point that's fine, you usually have a solution in mind. Well, what is it? Given the high ranks and the numbers they can sport in a group, they might be BW's closest approximation to a pvp kin now. Should all 12 of them or whatever just go out solo? Is that what you want them to do? Snowlock should say "Sorry, I know we're friends but the creeps don't want us to group so we have to go solo?" What's the point of having a kinship then? Or are they not allowed to do that either?

What if the solo Iron Ranger runs into the Prancy - Meregash duo? Or now that the Iron Rangers are all solo you and Meregash can't duo? What if some zerger like Evilpinnre or Grislok is out are the Iron Rangers only allowed to group up then?

What if three ungrouped Iron Rangers comes across one warg? Before attacking, should they sort out who gets to fight? The warg could map out while they're in committee!

What if one of the Iron Rangers is a low ranked poorly geared hunter? So according to you creeps they're not allowed to group up anymore and this dude is just getting farmed while his companions with much better gear and experience are out there and they could help him but can't because that would offend Soleus and Prancy? Or is the poorly geared low ranked now allowed in your moors either?

Evilspinnre says the Iron Rangers are responsible for ruining our PVP. Are they really that fearsome? Is that why the high ranks don't log in anymore? Because this Snowlock guy and his crew will pwn them? If he wants to crown them gods, then I guess he can. But I've seen them wipe just like any other crew and while I'd say they're as good as anyone we've seen, I'd never say they were better

I guess Evil is pretty scared of them, I mean he says he zergs them then they form a raid and run the map on him. He doesn’t say he zergs them, they form a raid, then he beats the raid too.

And speaking of zerging, I’ve never seen IR roll over a 1v1 circle like I’ve seen Grislok, Evilspinner’s officer, the self proclaimed “Zerg Overlord” do.

We always boast about our grand RvR traditions. If we have raids, how can a small group or even half raid tear that down?

What seems more likely to me is this bashing of this kin is a mix of jealousy that your own tribe can’t play together anymore plus your frustration with turbine for the current imbalance.

And from looking at your previous posts, you are also QUITE upset (aka "Whining") that your hunter got screwed over and over again and yet you come here and call me and the other players "babies" for "crying on the forums" because the side that we love to play on (Especially my reaver =/ ) is so messed up right now?

Yes it’s definitely messed up. And so is the hunter for all but a very few players. I’m mad at turbine too. But like I said, I’m not whining at the players who beat my hunter now, ones that couldn’t beat me before. It’s not the BA’s fault he can waste me now with MT up running around in Skirmisher. Its Turbines. The BA is just playing the way he was designed to play. Seems to me it’s the same thing with this kinship and Evil is just spouting off about them because he’s scared of them.

+rep ^

Originally Posted by dantheman865301

Pretty much everyone in this thread is being hypocritical. Pointing fingers for zerging? /lol

I have to agree. What a bunch of &&&&. It makes me want to start raids just so I can read the complaints. Poor people dying in PVP. What a tragedy. If you get zerged, then why not take it like a man, rez and push on. Brandywine has always been crowded so it's not like any of this is a recent phenomena. Also another hearty lol at blaming transfers as well. History repeats itself I guess.

I also never understood the weirdo solo cult that thinks everyone should play by their special rules. I still see people running around alone when I am out there. Myself I still do the same thing I did 5 years ago-if there's a group I will join if I feel like it, if not then I just run around on my own. I will solo spar creeps I run across, fight to the death against packs, gold tag raids, hug EC, NPCs and rez circles if I feel like it etc. I couldn't care less if little Johnny on summer break likes it or not. What difference does it make anyway? Every other person has some imaginary rules these days that they think everyone else should follow. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by MightyKOko

My thoughts on PvMP?
I gave it a chance. Seriously, I tried it on my freeps and creep. Tried solo, tried raids. Solo got zerged all the time. Raids are a mess. PvMP is not my thing here. I love LOTRO for PvE but for PvP I play SWTOR
SWTOR Battle Zones are just what I like - 15-20 min intensive fights where you can actually FIGHT someone. At lvl10 I stepped in battlezone and fought alongside and against lvl50s and was able to get my kills. Yes, they got the tech to scale yoru char to average lvl49 once you enter a Warzone.
Yesterday after failed Draig raid due to no burgs I did 4 SWTOR battlezones and all finished with 30+ kills and 3-5 deaths.... I mean, dont play with "get skills, n00b" card here. Actually I know way better my LOTRO chars than my SWTOR ones. But SWTOR actually got a mechanic for PvP. Every class has the minimum utilities to survive, to CC and get out-of-CC himself. The fights are not 10-15sek but actually long enough so you can move, use terain and buildings for cover, recover, etc... (Audacity here got a good intentions and pretty bad implementation IMO). Sadly, classes in LOTRO lack those simple utilities to do PvP. Thats why some who actualy got those are exploited (burgs, champs, minis...) and considered OP against those who dont have them. And no, I dont mean store bought pots, I mean the minimum skills to counter what you will encounter in PvP.

I know, what I say is not open world PvP, its limited size map, but at least every team got its objectives and they FIGHT. There is not much place to cower and run away if your precious life is fading away... Something we see way too offen in LOTRO PvMP.

So, answering the OP question, I already left for a game that got better (IMHO) PvP.

SWTOR is kinda set up to be easy so it's no surprise that you are having success. TOR is like little league these days-everyone gets a special trophy win or lose.

Here's hoping this game is worth coming back to someday.

Miss all the solo fights. Lots of good times.

Love you all.

p.s. Everyone zergs cuz it's a pvp zones.

i know the soloers' QQ is very amusing to people who generally enjoy grouping and GvGs. It IS really fun to play with people, number/skill imbalance aside. But it also doesn't take a lot to have a little respect or nonchalant attitude towards people who generally like to solo. Most of the people who like/want to solo are good skilled players and I have a lot of respect for them. Instead of being all "LULZ @ UR SOLOING GOGGULZ N' HOLIER THAN THOU RULZ" you could just.. let them be, and have fun with the Elites of Mordor. Soloers remember these little gestures of acknowledgement/respect and you come across as a nice person/someone who has a sense for good sportsmanship.


inb4 ONLINE GAEMZ HERP

Original GW (which is now 8 years old) actually has better pvp. There's a funny thought.

Originally Posted by Suenami

Soloers remember these little gestures of acknowledgement/respect and you come across as a nice person/someone who has a sense for good sportsmanship.

I know I always appreciate the fact my good sportsmanship is appreciated as nine solo'ers come plowing into OC after me.

Originally Posted by Suenami

i know the soloers' QQ is very amusing to people who generally enjoy grouping and GvGs. It IS really fun to play with people, number/skill imbalance aside. But it also doesn't take a lot to have a little respect or nonchalant attitude towards people who generally like to solo. Most of the people who like/want to solo are good skilled players and I have a lot of respect for them. Instead of being all "LULZ @ UR SOLOING GOGGULZ N' HOLIER THAN THOU RULZ" you could just.. let them be, and have fun with the Elites of Mordor. Soloers remember these little gestures of acknowledgement/respect and you come across as a nice person/someone who has a sense for good sportsmanship.


inb4 ONLINE GAEMZ HERP

If this is directed at me then please know that I have no contempt for soloers at all. In fact, those that have been here for a while know that I used to solo a lot. I simply never expected special treatment for it. Why should I? Letting people be... as in don't attack them because they might be solo? Maybe if the situation allows for it but, like I said, to expect it is ridiculous in a PVP area. To get mad about it is even more ridiculous. To me good sportsmanship is giving your best effort and playing by the rules. Not giving out special treatment to complainers so their feelings aren't hurt.

The fun part about the Ettenmoors is that nothing is scripted and their are few rules to obey. I am not about to let a very small sect of solo elitist dictate my game-play. Red=dead in my book regardless of who is or isn't standing next to you.

Originally Posted by Jeffor

If this is directed at me then please know that I have no contempt for soloers at all. In fact, those that have been here for a while know that I used to solo a lot. I simply never expected special treatment for it. Why should I? Letting people be... as in don't attack them because they might be solo? Maybe if the situation allows for it but, like I said, to expect it is ridiculous in a PVP area. To get mad about it is even more ridiculous. To me good sportsmanship is giving your best effort and playing by the rules. Not giving out special treatment to complainers so their feelings aren't hurt.

The fun part about the Ettenmoors is that nothing is scripted and their are few rules to obey. I am not about to let a very small sect of solo elitist dictate my game-play. Red=dead in my book regardless of who is or isn't standing next to you.

Pretty much this exactly. +rep Jeffa. If a person is solo and they get zerged in EC/OC near a rez or anywhere in pathways between TA, TR, LC, and Lugz well then...you shoulda learned your lesson by the 1st time you got zerged by either the fraid or craid.

The questing area south of LC and around SOP/Coldfells Outpost is pretty good for 1v1 action. So is the Plains Area Outpost and River outpost. These shared questing areas are pretty good for 1v1 action. Turbine has put questing areas away from the more frequented keep areas. If you solo - use them. I tend to find Latinafire, Felasbane, and Chinese lowbies all over the place in these areas quite often. Beatle likes the woods West of GV and so do other soloers. No excuse for whining about the zerg...unless you havent yet learned your lesson which is well...your fault. Stay out of the way of the craid/fraid so your panties dont get all up in a bunch...soloers should have the thickest skin. So if you complaining about the zerg as a solo...you don't really solo you just 1v1 circle spar. Big difference.

Originally Posted by ColorSpecs

I don't know these guys as I've been a creep since they arrived so I'm not sure how I wound up defending them but what do you want them to do? You complain that they are zerging, or agreeing with Bevis who is complaining that they are zerging. When you make a complaint unless its utterly pointless and if you want to admit you have no point that's fine, you usually have a solution in mind. Well, what is it? Given the high ranks and the numbers they can sport in a group, they might be BW's closest approximation to a pvp kin now. Should all 12 of them or whatever just go out solo? Is that what you want them to do? Snowlock should say "Sorry, I know we're friends but the creeps don't want us to group so we have to go solo?" What's the point of having a kinship then? Or are they not allowed to do that either?

You are making too much sense... +rep.

Yeah guys these walls of text are cool and everything. But how about we talk about cats?

Originally Posted by FerPac

You are making too much sense... +rep.

Thanks I just think its lame and kind of wussie that these guys come to BW to fight, they don't intentionally instigate drama or anything and people are crying at them for doing exactly what they should be doing just because random solo'ers (which is all relative anway) die in the process. Boo hoo.

Originally Posted by ColorSpecs

Thanks I just think its lame and kind of wussie that these guys come to BW to fight, they don't intentionally instigate drama or anything and people are crying at them for doing exactly what they should be doing just because random solo'ers (which is all relative anway) die in the process. Boo hoo.

So the solo creep, out there trying to quest so he can level up and be as deserving as ferpac thinks they should be should just suck it up when all 12 of snowjob's team bear down on him and crush him? THAT sounds like FUN to me!

Sarcastic and rhetorical response...does not need another, but it will get some, defending the snowjob. Doesn't matter. Soon the moors will be another PvE area for the ferps and their ilk. It WAS fun.

Originally Posted by Felajarko

So the solo creep, out there trying to quest so he can level up and be as deserving as ferpac thinks they should be should just suck it up when all 12 of snowjob's team bear down on him and crush him? THAT sounds like FUN to me!

Sarcastic and rhetorical response...does not need another, but it will get some, defending the snowjob. Doesn't matter. Soon the moors will be another PvE area for the ferps and their ilk. It WAS fun.

There's this awesome place to solo quest were this deadly "snowjob" will never ever touch you. It's called Bree.

You're in a pvp zone. Quit acting like an entitled little child. I've been "beared down" on myself by the very same people. I'm choosing to be solo, they've killed me, and as Jeff said, I rezed and moved on or I've grouped up and fought back. And if you can't find a group to fight back with, why are you blaming them? Form your own group or blame the high ranked creeps that have left or blame turbine for making it feel that grouping creepside is pointless. But for heck's sake, take some ownership for your own situation, sheesh.

Originally Posted by ColorSpecs

There's this awesome place to solo quest were this deadly "snowjob" will never ever touch you. It's called Bree.

You're in a pvp zone. Quit acting like an entitled little child. I've been "beared down" on myself by the very same people. I'm choosing to be solo, they've killed me, and as Jeff said, I rezed and moved on or I've grouped up and fought back. And if you can't find a group to fight back with, why are you blaming them? Form your own group or blame the high ranked creeps that have left or blame turbine for making it feel that grouping creepside is pointless. But for heck's sake, take some ownership for your own situation, sheesh.

Sure, let me take my creep to Bree......I would love that. I bet all the creeps would love that. And I never said I wasn't at fault. You're right, its my fault for trying to quest and get a bit competitive so I CAN fight back. Its my fault for falling on freep swords over and over and over while my creep is mezzed into oblivion. Its my fault my damage isn't even half that of a freep's. I take complete responsibility.

Entitled child. That describes ferp perfectly. Remeber, creeps don't DESERVE to be in the moors with him.

PvMP is pointless. Its an exercise in futility to try to play when freeps are in the moors. Turbine has killed it as has some of the attitudes displayed here. yet I still go out there and get slaughtered. I still go out there and gold tag. Just less and less and less.

Hmm, that's pretty cool. But lets discuss about rhubarb.

Originally Posted by Conspiracykeanu

Hmm, that's pretty cool. But lets discuss about rhubarb.

What cook recipes use it in the game? I don't recall any. Now bacon.....

Originally Posted by Jeffor

The fun part about the Ettenmoors is that nothing is scripted and their are few rules to obey.

This. I looove open world pvp. You get to chooose between all these playstyles, solo, small group, raid, and off each of these archetypes, there are more styles. The problem occurs when one of them (raiding in this case) is practically the only playstyle "viable".

Originally Posted by Felajarko

So the solo creep, out there trying to quest so he can level up and be as deserving as ferpac thinks they should be should just suck it up when all 12 of snowjob's team bear down on him and crush him? THAT sounds like FUN to me!

Heyy that sounds like normal solo play!

Originally Posted by gageithman

Heyy that sounds like normal solo play!

Still doesn't answer the rhubarb question.....

Originally Posted by Penionn

And Soleus, while I understand the champion class is easy, it's 10x easier when all you do is trait and have all your LIs centered towards glory. No way in hell can you do any of the things you do in your videos not traited that way.

im traited the way i am in glory TO FIGHT ZERGS. i've played in fervour. i have a glass cannon set. i've played with different traitings. you act like i started playing this class when RoI came out. i was soloing long before that trying to challenge myself ask anyone of these non transfers. derp

Originally Posted by ColorSpecs

Meregash
Evilspinnre

thing is these two are ten times the players snow will ever be. both can solo, very well for that matter. and i've seen how good both of them are in a 1v1s, small groups, raids and they are both top tier for their respected classes.

snow backpedals and spams bleeds. even on r7 wargs like me, such skill.

Originally Posted by klover307

i was soloing long before that trying to challenge myself ask anyone of these non transfers.
derp
snow backpedals and spams bleeds. even on r7 wargs like me, such skill.

You must be like the best or something.

Originally Posted by illdowhatittakes

You must be like the best or something.

I like CS:CZ better than the first CS. That's just me though

Originally Posted by illdowhatittakes

ironically i remember going with my friends to a cheap dvd place where we'd pay 2 bucks an hour to play counterstrike, halo custom edition, and battlefield 1943 all day. tfw i miss the old times when playing fps games made you a nerd

Originally Posted by Felajarko

PvMP is pointless. Its an exercise in futility to try to play when freeps are in the moors. Turbine has killed it as has some of the attitudes displayed here. yet I still go out there and get slaughtered. I still go out there and gold tag. Just less and less and less.

I have an easy enough time soloing many freeps on my 1 audacity creeps. Yes, I don't beat the better ones, but It's not like it's an "exercise in futility." I agree with what many people are saying, that we can't really blame IR for playing together, we need to blame Turbine for degenerating what once was a great game into an average, maybe below average game just to squeeze us out of more money.