Thread: Your Thoughts on PvP

Originally Posted by Penionn

This post hits the nail on the head. We knew Jmez had a group, and we had our own separate group. Ushrak has his own group as well which was about the same size as ours and Jmezs (not together, but separate), so we were wanting to give him an even fight. Thanks Ushrak by the way for the great fights, we had ALOT of fun on monday.

As I'm sure everyone has already heard, the moors is what you make of it,

If this is true, then Ush missed an opportunity for almost continual fighting. All he'd have had to do is engage either group. Not dissing Ush either, he probably just assumed, and hes right in doing so historically speaking, that the groups would either merge or just gold-tag each other.

I saw Mere out there to, GT'ing alongside me. Imagine, if Mere picked up the gold taggers, formed a 4th 12 man group and you had four 12-man raids independantly roaming the map seeking the others out. Let the "solo'ers" cry, but if our moors could actually become this, I'd resub.

I've had a lot of fun killing hundreds in Grothum and now it's time to move on

Originally Posted by TheCrusher

I've had a lot of fun killing hundreds in Grothum and now it's time to move on

Grievous after all the talk about how bad this game is, and how others should leave, you're only NOW just quitting? =p

Originally Posted by Buttkickington

Grievous after all the talk about how bad this game is, and how others should leave, you're only NOW just quitting? =p

I uninstalled this game a few weeks ago and had unsubbed many months ago, most of my last days were spent killing in Grothum

Go out while you're on top

I think I am now about a 4-5 weeks into my hiatus from LoTRO. I think I might come back whenever they reset the audacity back to 0, so whenever the "new season" is. Most people should be starting on similar ground then as I don't feel like PvEing my brain out in the moors to try to catch up. Funny, something that was supposed to get more fighting is actually keeping a player from coming back.

The brainless PvE is not enough to bring me back despite me missing people I have played with for a long time. And honestly, once you play GW2 for any length of time...mechanics is this game become to feel dated.

So now I play TF2 with some regularity to get my PvP fix.

4+ years put into this game, lifetime sub and I can't bring myself to double click the icon that had given me 1000's of hours of entertainment. This has more to do with turblind and less to do with the community which I have always enjoyed.

/salute

Originally Posted by ColorSpecs

If this is true, then Ush missed an opportunity for almost continual fighting. All he'd have had to do is engage either group. Not dissing Ush either, he probably just assumed, and hes right in doing so historically speaking, that the groups would either merge or just gold-tag each other.

I saw Mere out there to, GT'ing alongside me. Imagine, if Mere picked up the gold taggers, formed a 4th 12 man group and you had four 12-man raids independantly roaming the map seeking the others out. Let the "solo'ers" cry, but if our moors could actually become this, I'd resub.

Hello all, I rarely post in these forums but I felt like I could add something here. No reason to feel that you where dissing Ush, he actually sent one of us a tell on freepside saying he needed to leave for the night but enjoyed the 12v12s and hopes to have more in the future.

I also want to add that the Iron Rangers almost always have players out in the moors. If you kill one of us or a group of us with a raid of 12 or whatever numbers. More then likely we will try to get even numbers and have some good fights. We are not about gaining max numbers and zergging creeps. And yes, I understand that sometimes we may zerg the solo greeny or two with our groups. It's unfortunate but it happens.

If you see an IR group of 4 running around, gather up 3, 4, or even 5 of your buddies and we will fight.

Same goes for higher numbers as well. We will always fight as long as the numbers are reasonably balanced.

The opportunity is always there for you creeps to have fun out there. Especially when you see some IR folk.

one of the downfalls of the BW community?

all the transfers who act like they don't zerg 99% of the time


inb4&&&&storm

Originally Posted by Xenephobe375

Hello all, I rarely post in these forums but I felt like I could add something here. No reason to feel that you where dissing Ush, he actually sent one of us a tell on freepside saying he needed to leave for the night but enjoyed the 12v12s and hopes to have more in the future.

I also want to add that the Iron Rangers almost always have players out in the moors. If you kill one of us or a group of us with a raid of 12 or whatever numbers. More then likely we will try to get even numbers and have some good fights. We are not about gaining max numbers and zergging creeps. And yes, I understand that sometimes we may zerg the solo greeny or two with our groups. It's unfortunate but it happens.

If you see an IR group of 4 running around, gather up 3, 4, or even 5 of your buddies and we will fight.

Same goes for higher numbers as well. We will always fight as long as the numbers are reasonably balanced.

The opportunity is always there for you creeps to have fun out there. Especially when you see some IR folk.

Lololol Snow**** and his merry band of fails run around in kin groups zerging non stop until they die once then he makes a full freep raid, or at least 18.

Small group fights are not, and will not, be balanced. Even numbers are skewed in freeps favour, especially with captain+rk/minstrel combinations which are unkillable.

Of course Snow will fight with 'balanced' numbers, having 30 freeps the other night vs not even a full creep raid was great balance lawl.

Another good reason why this servers pvp deterioates. Snowlock killed vilya pvp, and is trying to pull the same shenanigans here.

I know I dread seeing IR, because the moment they die or think they might die bam full fraid. Try escalation Snow.

Originally Posted by OnevsOneGod

Lololol Snow**** and his merry band of fails run around in kin groups zerging non stop until they die once then he makes a full freep raid, or at least 18.

Small group fights are not, and will not, be balanced. Even numbers are skewed in freeps favour, especially with captain+rk/minstrel combinations which are unkillable.

Of course Snow will fight with 'balanced' numbers, having 30 freeps the other night vs not even a full creep raid was great balance lawl.

Another good reason why this servers pvp deterioates. Snowlock killed vilya pvp, and is trying to pull the same shenanigans here.

I know I dread seeing IR, because the moment they die or think they might die bam full fraid. Try escalation Snow.

stop talking and get to work. those fries need cookin!!

Originally Posted by OnevsOneGod

Lololol Snow**** and his merry band of fails run around in kin groups zerging non stop until they die once then he makes a full freep raid, or at least 18.

Small group fights are not, and will not, be balanced. Even numbers are skewed in freeps favour, especially with captain+rk/minstrel combinations which are unkillable.

Of course Snow will fight with 'balanced' numbers, having 30 freeps the other night vs not even a full creep raid was great balance lawl.

Another good reason why this servers pvp deterioates. Snowlock killed vilya pvp, and is trying to pull the same shenanigans here.

I know I dread seeing IR, because the moment they die or think they might die bam full fraid. Try escalation Snow.

Sad thing is it's true. Even today. Was trying to duo with Mere, but everywhere we go it was IR + Some Jmez group together zerging the piss out of everything, and Snow was constantly trying to Zerg Mere into oblivion too so he could, I'd assume, "Get Mere to make a raid" lol. Pssh.. yeah right. Basically made us log in disgust cause of the constant zerging.

We both decided to just go play L4D and some other game with a few other creeps and other players from creep vent. There were hardly any competent creeps on to make a raid, but I noticed that whenever I log on though, there'd be a damn HIGH RANKED fraid of IR zerging everything and/or camping Grams =/.

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger31

stop talking and get to work. those fries need cookin!!

you turn 18 yet brahh? oh yea you can't even apply for most jobs huh



party hard bro

Clarification: I was leading the 12v12 on Lug Hill against Snowlock, and I was also leading the 24v24 against Jmez at the same place on a later date.

I'm happy to fight anyone 12v12 as long as neither side gets demolished by the opposition.
If the fight is long, fun and rewarding to both sides I don't really mind.
Winning is a bonus, but not the primary focus.

The 12v12 fight on Lug hill was long, fun and rewarding.
Unfortunately it's unreasonable to expect one 12man fraid to sit by and watch my 12man fight another 12man, and I wasn't really interested in fighting 24 freeps with only the 4 WL's I could muster.

I can understand why Jmez made that 12man, wanting to get in on the action too, but its unreasonable to expect me to fight both 12mans simultaneously (as is inevitable) with my 12man. I
will expand if I can, and fight if I can - but, like I said, I wasn't really interested in fighting 24 freeps with only 4 WL's.

In terms of my 24v24 fight against Jmez, that was also long, fun and rewarding (went for, what, 10-20min or so?).
After that fight though you grabbed just that oooone more Minstrel (combined with the other two that were shield-walled) and it became very difficult to overcome. People got demoralized and decided to log for the night, I lost irreplaceable raid members and therefore disbanded.

Nevertheless the first fight was long and fun, we (being the creeps) of course died more than the freeps, but it was still really fun and both sides made some good points.

Thanks to everyone who came along.

Play your wargies . Zergs are only annoying when they can see you.

Originally Posted by OnevsOneGod

Small group fights are not, and will not, be balanced. Even numbers are skewed in freeps favour, especially with captain+rk/minstrel combinations which are unkillable.

cpt/rk combo's aren't unkillable i mean my pocket cpt died in a 10v2 after i got 12 kb's so i guess they can die LMAO

Originally Posted by Soleus

Lotro pvp is too hard

Originally Posted by evilspinnre

Lotro pvp is too hard

Originally Posted by prancy

Lotro pvp is too hard

Then don't pvp. Go to Gw2 or whatever. I solo, I get zerged, I've been zerged by IR too. My choice. Its open world pvp, you don't want to fight back then don't be a bunch of babies about either.

Especially you, evilspinnre, who have been zerging ungrouped and small grouped freeps on our server for as long as I can remember. I read your tirades against Snowlock, and I can smell the fear radiating off you.

I'm sad to see the fall of Meregash. During Mirkwood he'd absolutely crush Shanehere raids in like 10 seconds with the mighty OFS. Yeah, creeps are underpowered now for sure, but instead of fighting through it he curls up into a ball in the corner and cries alone as his tribe disintegrates around him. You have my pity.

Originally Posted by thisisanewname

cpt/rk combo's aren't unkillable i mean my pocket cpt died in a 10v2 after i got 12 kb's so i guess they can die LMAO

Traitor Flag! 10v2 w/ 12 KBs? Must have been murder/suicide once the creeps were all dead.

Originally Posted by thisisanewname

cpt/rk combo's aren't unkillable i mean my pocket cpt died in a 10v2 after i got 12 kb's so i guess they can die LMAO

2v2 me and dicaprio then

Originally Posted by ColorSpecs

Then don't pvp. Go to Gw2 or whatever. I solo, I get zerged, I've been zerged by IR too. My choice. Its open world pvp, you don't want to fight back then don't be a bunch of babies about either.

Not sure how logging off to go play something else that is actually enjoyable is being a baby, Mr. Anonymous Guy #154.

Creepside PvP is stupid. Everyone knows it, but Freepside PvP is sooo enjoyable. I would know. I played my minstrel in the Moors and I could see why other Minstrels love it so much, lol. Being able to take on multiple targets on your own and winning is quite the ego boost x). Taking on 10 rank 0-4 or so wargs on a mini is quite exciting! Too bad we won't ever see a creep be able to do that on his or her own .

Originally Posted by Prancey

Not sure how logging off to go play something else that is actually enjoyable is being a baby,

Its not, coming to the forums or in OOC to whine that players aren't playing how you want them to is.

I unsubbbed because my hunter became unfun, same thing as logging in your example. I didn't blame the BA's that could now easily waste me, when before I could take them. I blamed Turbine.

Originally Posted by ColorSpecs

Its not, coming to the forums or in OOC to whine that players aren't playing how you want them to is.

The point of this thread is to talk about why you left. If that involves how other people play, like it is for me, then so be it.

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger31

2v2 me and dicaprio then

obvious sarcasm is obvious

Originally Posted by ColorSpecs

Its not, coming to the forums or in OOC to whine that players aren't playing how you want them to is.

I unsubbbed because my hunter became unfun, same thing as logging in your example. I didn't blame the BA's that could now easily waste me, when before I could take them. I blamed Turbine.

I didn't say anything about wanting them to play how I want them to play. I was just agreeing with what Evil said and explaining what I have personally experienced these last few days when I log on.

And from looking at your previous posts, you are also QUITE upset (aka "Whining") that your hunter got screwed over and over again and yet you come here and call me and the other players "babies" for "crying on the forums" because the side that we love to play on (Especially my reaver =/ ) is so messed up right now?

Originally Posted by gageithman

obvious sarcasm is obvious

Everyone complaining about zerging I have been zerged by hundreds of times. Get over it.

Originally Posted by dantheman865301

Everyone complaining about zerging I have been zerged by hundreds of times. Get over it.

Yeah but lets talk about bacon.

Originally Posted by Conspiracykeanu

Yeah but lets talk about bacon.

LOTRO is obviously still the best MMO of all time, you all are just so blinded by your jealously of the brilliant devs in this game.

Originally Posted by Prancey

Sad thing is it's true. Even today. Was trying to duo with Mere, but everywhere we go it was IR + Some Jmez group together zerging the piss out of everything, and Snow was constantly trying to Zerg Mere into oblivion too so he could, I'd assume, "Get Mere to make a raid" lol. Pssh.. yeah right. Basically made us log in disgust cause of the constant zerging.

We both decided to just go play L4D and some other game with a few other creeps and other players from creep vent. There were hardly any competent creeps on to make a raid, but I noticed that whenever I log on though, there'd be a damn HIGH RANKED fraid of IR zerging everything and/or camping Grams =/.

You want to know why you were dying so much on monday by the IR group? You were following and goldtagging Ushraks group of 12...Not our fault you died when we were engaging his group, nor are we going to take the time to distinguish the small groupers from the people in the raid. If you want to small group, go do it, but away from the bigger sized fights.

I distinctly remember killing both you and mere multiple times while we were also fighting the craid. You only have yourselves to blame here.

So complain all you want about us zerging you, I really don't care, but you needed to be corrected.

The amount of whining that's been going on when people die recently is absurd. Just play the game and roll with it or stop logging in.

The surface area of an average-sized brick is 79 cm squared.

This thread is like a support group meeting for people that expect way too much from a video game. Play it or don't play it. There are only thousands of games out there to choose from. LOTRO has many xpacs left and many of the people that say they are quitting forever will be back when Rohan or the next xpac hits. I'm not saying that the Moors doesn't need some work but the zone's changed many times in the past and it will again.

Also, a hearty lol to the people that accuse Jmez of being a zergmeister. He is one of the few people I group with still and he is one of the few that will actually disband if there is not enough opposition. I know pretty evil of him. Anyway seem most of you when Rohan is released.

Originally Posted by Penionn

You want to know why you were dying so much on monday by the IR group? You were following and goldtagging Ushraks group of 12...Not our fault you died when we were engaging his group, nor are we going to take the time to distinguish the small groupers from the people in the raid. If you want to small group, go do it, but away from the bigger sized fights.

I distinctly remember killing both you and mere multiple times while we were also fighting the craid. You only have yourselves to blame here.

So complain all you want about us zerging you, I really don't care, but you needed to be corrected.

The amount of whining that's been going on when people die recently is absurd. Just play the game and roll with it or stop logging in.

I was talking about last night. Noticed when I said "Even today", which was yesterday now? There wasn't a craid last night at all, but Mere wanted to make one, but there weren't enough high ranked creeps on at all. Hell, in OFS, it was just Mere and I who were on, and yet both your kin and Jmez had a raid going on. I remember being at BFR, and looking up towards TR, and you guys were just farming the greendots there. Every time Mere and I passed by there, your buddy Snowlock would target him and zerg him to "Get him to make a raid".

Originally Posted by stock

Traitor Flag! 10v2 w/ 12 KBs? Must have been murder/suicide once the creeps were all dead.

WL rezzes were blown

Originally Posted by Penionn

You want to know why you were dying so much on monday by the IR group? You were following and goldtagging Ushraks group of 12...Not our fault you died when we were engaging his group, nor are we going to take the time to distinguish the small groupers from the people in the raid. If you want to small group, go do it, but away from the bigger sized fights.

I distinctly remember killing both you and mere multiple times while we were also fighting the craid. You only have yourselves to blame here.

Don't IR engange in every RvR fight there is with their small groups or any other fight and remove any chance of balance in that fight? Bit of irony in this post, just a tad.

Originally Posted by Penionn

So complain all you want about us zerging you, I really don't care, but you needed to be corrected.

I thought IR was here to bring 'superior pvp' and 'outstanding small group fights' lololololol. Try again.

Originally Posted by Penionn

The amount of whining that's been going on when people die recently is absurd. Just play the game and roll with it or stop logging in.

Yeah, follow Snowlocks example-Die once-Form full raid-Roll map-Camp grams.

Originally Posted by Prancey

I was talking about last night. Noticed when I said "Even today", which was yesterday now? There wasn't a craid last night at all, but Mere wanted to make one, but there weren't enough high ranked creeps on at all. Hell, in OFS, it was just Mere and I who were on, and yet both your kin and Jmez had a raid going on. I remember being at BFR, and looking up towards TR, and you guys were just farming the greendots there. Every time Mere and I passed by there, your buddy Snowlock would target him and zerg him to "Get him to make a raid".

But but Prancey, they just want good small group fights!!!! Those greenies will eventually make a great even numbers group to take them on if they're zerged enough!!

Originally Posted by OnevsOneGod

Don't IR engange in every RvR fight there is with their small groups or any other fight and remove any chance of balance in that fight? Bit of irony in this post, just a tad.



I thought IR was here to bring 'superior pvp' and 'outstanding small group fights' lololololol. Try again.



Yeah, follow Snowlocks example-Die once-Form full raid-Roll map-Camp grams.

Evil, you are just delirious when it comes to the moors. That's all that needs to be said. I've met some crazy, way out in left field individuals here, but I gotta give it to you, you win that title.

Originally Posted by Penionn

Just play the game and let us faceroll you or stop logging in.

Fixed it for you...

Originally Posted by Penionn

Evil, you are just delirious when it comes to the moors. That's all that needs to be said. I've met some crazy, way out in left field individuals here, but I gotta give it to you, you win that title.

I'm glad one of the most freep goggled people I've ever seen post thinks that, really means a lot to me.

A message from Snowlock:

Hi Brandy,

When I first arrived here, I brought over with me a grand total of 5 kinsmen, 3 pve’ers and 2 pvp’ers. I name changed and we joined a kin just like anyone else. I was adamantly retired from raid leading.

Eventually we formed our own kin again, didn’t even call ourselves Iron Rangers, and it was made up mostly of non-pvp’ers. Typically when there was RvR going on we still stayed in our own group and away from the raids.

But Mephiston (evilspinnre), being from Vilya, knew who Losolin and his friends were, and with a full raid he hunted us and our groups of 3, 4, 5 players, even when there was a full freep raid out to face instead. And so, when there were no other freep leaders out, or they were in their own small groups and didn’t want to grow, I started leading.

When my kin heard I started leading again they started coming back to LOTRO, and started transferring to BW. With my own kinsmen forming the nucleus of the raids I was leading, we started having success and that lead to recruitment of other high ranked experienced pvp’ers that had transferred to BW from other servers as well. With the kin reformed, I name changed back to Snowlock, and changed the name of the kin back to Iron Rangers.

Don’t cry about zerging, Mephiston. It was your zerging that brought us back.

Reap the whirlwind.



To the other creeps of BW, you have our gratitude and respect. In recent weeks we’ve fought craids lead by Glamdrile, Arrikluk and Ushrak and win or lose they’ve been enjoyable affairs.

To the non-raiding creeps, play how you want to play. But if you’re in our path, whether it’s one of you or forty, we will kill you if we can. It’s just as simple as that.

Prancy, to me you weren’t duoing, you were massing at the zerg ball in a 2 person fellowship. Mere is a r14 WL, an experienced raidleader and great player. In other words a massive threat. He’s going to die first and often, as much as possible. Consider it a matter of respect for his ability because that’s what it is.

IR are out there to fight. Whether creeps want to take advantage of this is purely up to them. But we always have and always will play on our terms and no amount of forum whining, rage tells and rage quits, OOC trolling, or whatever will change that.

Happy hunting,
Snow

Originally Posted by OnevsOneGod

I'm glad one of the most freep goggled people I've ever seen post thinks that, really means a lot to me.

Says the most renowned basement dweller.

I think Snow is mad that my smaller tribe groups with people from Lockdown/FbF hunted him down when he was called out camping rez circles and farming greendots in HH. Did those corpse jumps from Chuck hurt your ego?

Yes I've run you over with raids, when you've been called out camping as stated above. But mainly fighting other freep raids. I have never made a raid or group to specifically hunt you down.


Nothing to reap Snowwy, except the downfall of another servers PvP thanks to you. The amazing RvR this server had is a nostalgic shadow of the past rarely relived. I miss freep leaders like Arrik that tried balancing fights, and didn't mass rage to a full freep raid after dying once in a small group or wiping with 18.

Iron Rangers are here to farm as many points as possible, nothing more.

Originally Posted by Penionn

A message from Snowlock:

Hi Brandy,

When I first arrived here, I brought over with me a grand total of 5 kinsmen, 3 pve’ers and 2 pvp’ers. I name changed and we joined a kin just like anyone else. I was adamantly retired from raid leading.

Eventually we formed our own kin again, didn’t even call ourselves Iron Rangers, and it was made up mostly of non-pvp’ers. Typically when there was RvR going on we still stayed in our own group and away from the raids.

But Mephiston (evilspinnre), being from Vilya, knew who Losolin and his friends were, and with a full raid he hunted us and our groups of 3, 4, 5 players, even when there was a full freep raid out to face instead. And so, when there were no other freep leaders out, or they were in their own small groups and didn’t want to grow, I started leading.

When my kin heard I started leading again they started coming back to LOTRO, and started transferring to BW. With my own kinsmen forming the nucleus of the raids I was leading, we started having success and that lead to recruitment of other high ranked experienced pvp’ers that had transferred to BW from other servers as well. With the kin reformed, I name changed back to Snowlock, and changed the name of the kin back to Iron Rangers.

Don’t cry about zerging, Mephiston. It was your zerging that brought us back.

Reap the whirlwind.



To the other creeps of BW, you have our gratitude and respect. In recent weeks we’ve fought craids lead by Glamdrile, Arrikluk and Ushrak and win or lose they’ve been enjoyable affairs.

To the non-raiding creeps, play how you want to play. But if you’re in our path, whether it’s one of you or forty, we will kill you if we can. It’s just as simple as that.

Prancy, to me you weren’t duoing, you were massing at the zerg ball in a 2 person fellowship. Mere is a r14 WL, an experienced raidleader and great player. In other words a massive threat. He’s going to die first and often, as much as possible. Consider it a matter of respect for his ability because that’s what it is.

IR are out there to fight. Whether creeps want to take advantage of this is purely up to them. But we always have and always will play on our terms and no amount of forum whining, rage tells and rage quits, OOC trolling, or whatever will change that.

Happy hunting,
Snow

translation....

You attacked us. We facerolled you.

We will continue to faceroll everyone and everything. Not even the bird is safe.

God have mercy on your souls.

I like bacon.

Snowjob

Originally Posted by ColorSpecs

Then don't pvp. Go to Gw2 or whatever. I solo, I get zerged, I've been zerged by IR too. My choice. Its open world pvp, you don't want to fight back then don't be a bunch of babies about either.

you obviously didn't read my above post

i quit pvp because i am a champ at heart and the champ class is disgustingly easy i.e why i made videos to prove how op the class has become, because some said champs still think think the class isn't op. i've also tried to have fun on creepside believe me, i tried to solo on my warg all the time but like this post said

Originally Posted by tmressler

If I play my warg, I'm reduced to goldtaging the freeps hoping to find one either ungrouped or one squishy enough to where I can kill him before his buds get me. Again, there are very few solo freeps to combat the amount of grouped zerging freeps.

people like these new IR transfers NEVER solo, so whats there to do for someone like me who only likes to solo out there? farm npcs lol sure thing. you say you "solo" well i know thats a lie because no one solos and if you DID solo you would know why the REAL solo'ers do not play this game anymore.

Originally Posted by Luckyhit

LOTRO is obviously still the best MMO of all time, you all are just so blinded by your jealously of the brilliant devs in this game.

i love you lucky lol