I have spied on some servers and i have learned one important aspect: there the kins have functioning alliances for raiding and ettens. We on WW have more or less no functioning alliance.
From the perspective of my kin, we tried one alliance at one point. But it was plagued by tehnical issues, lack of comunication and maybe lack of common goals. The main issue we saw about alliances was the loot and the ingame/outgame comunication. How do we distribute loot in a mixed-kin raid and how do we talk to eachother?
We for one use DKP system for raids. That doesnt go well with alliances since all raiders must have an account on our webpage. And that complicated. But maybe there are other ways to correctly distribute loot?
So i invite you to discuss whether more alliances (even a League of Withywindle with many kins sharing one website to program raids/ettens/events) could work. And if it would work would it be in our advantage as a server?
Discuss ahead (id apreaciate if the leaders/officers of the WW kins were directed to this thread by members).
have you tried using your own in-game alliance channel? that would make communication rather simple. doesn't work for raids I guess, but it's still nice being able to chat with all online alliance members at the same time.
EDIT: I know I might have missed the thread subject (alliances in general) but I figured I could offer a suggestion on a technical side =)
Worked fine for older players. New players have issues joining the custom channel, issues following it and so on....Lotro doesnt have much support alliance wise. Its been suggested in an old <revamp the kinship system> but never implemented.
The main issue we saw about alliances was the loot and the ingame/outgame comunication. How do we distribute loot in a mixed-kin raid and how do we talk to eachother?
So i invite you to discuss whether more alliances (even a League of Withywindle with many kins sharing one website to program raids/ettens/events) could work. And if it would work would it be in our advantage as a server?
Well my kiniship is in an "open" lets say alliance with another, meaning we are not like stably raiding but we help eachother whenever we need, avoiding thus a pug group when we miss a few people for a raid. Communication is solved through a private channel we have (easy enough).. now as for loot, whenever the kin is not 100 % kin members, then we just follow the simple master looter rule, with everyone able to roll for it, complex systems on an alliance needs the members to be cooperating almost daily and wth more or less the same people so that any system can function well enough.
What is most important for alliance is that both of the kin NEEDS it. For example a kin that has 18 -active- raiders needs no alliance at all, cause simply there would be a low chance that they would ever need someone to fill a gap. On the other hand a kin that has 8-14 -active- raiders could use an alliance cause they would simply many times lack the numbers.
Another issue is leadership. IMO the most experienced should lead, not regarding whether his kin has 3 people in the raid or 9.. its a matter of skills, not numbers. Sounds silly but i know that this can create problems to headstrong raidleaders.
IMO
the NEEDING more ppl is not the most important thing.
where the alliance channel(s) I'm in where based on social activities(admitting it changed a bit somewhere).
Not every player is that open to team-play or learning. an i assume if u multi play a lot u also know not every player response that good to mistakes or criticism(where you learn from).
as how thing usually go with a kinshipmembers, free items or cheaper, teaching/buffing/helping at raids instances and quests.
and for alliance members, when the kinship doesn't need the items they go open to every1 there, if someone needs help you help them and there first choice to pug with so you can also teach there/your kin.
again this is just my point of view.
and i play the game mainly because of the social activities and fun ect. in stead of winning, becoming the best ect.
As the Leader of a fairly small kinship (11th Legion) I have tried to form Alliances with several kins, as did the previous leader. We got one alliance that we thought could work and created a Channel for us to communicate, but it never happened, seems they weren't too bothered and no-one joined the channel so now its died. I know that me and my kin would definitely be up for forming an alliance with any Non-hardcore raiders, we have a few guys who have done Lightning T2 and about 8 who are capable of doing T1 easily. I guess setting up an in-game channel is the best way that we could all communicate, which works provided all interested people join it.
As for the Mass joining of kins in a custom channel I cant really see that working personally, if its done in-game chances are it could just turn into another Global channel? I do like the idea of a website set up and joined by all interested members from many different kins, definitely helpful to keep a track of who's setting up what, and when And in my opinion anything that gets people together more and interacting more can only be good for the server, provided it doesn't turn into an exclusive group of the best from each kinship where new people are excluded from even trying raids
^First post on these forums as well so I hope this works well
As the Leader of a fairly small kinship (11th Legion) I have tried to form Alliances with several kins, as did the previous leader. We got one alliance that we thought could work and created a Channel for us to communicate, but it never happened, seems they weren't too bothered and no-one joined the channel so now its died. I know that me and my kin would definitely be up for forming an alliance with any Non-hardcore raiders, we have a few guys who have done Lightning T2 and about 8 who are capable of doing T1 easily. I guess setting up an in-game channel is the best way that we could all communicate, which works provided all interested people join it.
if you got it about 11th/WWS alliance we just need to get people in there, it certainly isn't dead, will speak with you about it ingame/IRC soon.
getting ppl in there is mostly the problem i think.
or ppl don't know how to join a channel,
(i know someone with a German client which doesn't know how to and since I'm not German i also don't >,<)
or they don't see the value in it.
and keeping it alive,. ours did die for a few weeks, ppl left ect, but u can always restart it. and for keeping it running don't focus only on the trade and LFF's in it. being social and jokes ect in it helps a lot.
Hmmmm, this reminds me of Snowbourns Lemon raid. For more information, check this out.
Mind you; the link to their site is currently broken.
Perhaps an idea?
Definitely a good idea, think the website would be invaluable, being able to plan on there without everyone having to be online at once would be great anyway i'm 100% up for getting together with some like-minded people and setting something up
Bit of a disclaimer to start: I'm not a lotro raider as 5-6years of raiding most weeks in wow has kind of burnt me out and as much as I might like to see some of the fights I cant devote the time to a game that I used to. However the basics of raiding will be the same, be punctual and be prepared.
Cant say what raid alliances are like in lotro but when I was playing wow my guild had raiding alliances with a few different guilds over the years. A lot of the time the alliance led to an actual merger which was actually better in the long run from an organisational point of view.
We weren't a hardcore raiding guild that kicked people for not breathing at the right time but did expect that people turned up on time and have the relevant consumables with them. Expectations that were made known to those that joined us via alliances. As one of the locks in molten core I certainly expected people not to be in tanaris expecting a summons due to the demand for single cast healthstones.
Raiding the same 3+ nights a week you quite often found the other guilds didn't really seem to mind that being late or absent held up a raid. If someone was 10-15mins late a standby was pulled in which often led to the RL being /w'd by the person who turned up an hour into the run asking for their place. On some nights it seemed more hassle than it was worth.
More than one occasion we had some kind of loot based drama thanks to someone not winning a drop due to their dkp or epgp tallies not being sufficient. Or someone had a hissy fit as their guild had one less slot than another despite rotations being agreed and inplace.
It can be a lot of hard work to get people to join custom chat channels, signup to raids, be punctual and raid ready. In lotro's favour is the fact that from what I can tell the game doesnt randomly reset your chat to lose the custom ones.
BUT if you can get an alliance up and it runs well then it can be a really rewarding process even if it might not seem like it in the early phases.
I have spied on some servers and i have learned one important aspect: there the kins have functioning alliances for raiding and ettens. We on WW have more or less no functioning alliance.
From the perspective of my kin, we tried one alliance at one point. But it was plagued by tehnical issues, lack of comunication and maybe lack of common goals. The main issue we saw about alliances was the loot and the ingame/outgame comunication. How do we distribute loot in a mixed-kin raid and how do we talk to eachother?
We for one use DKP system for raids. That doesnt go well with alliances since all raiders must have an account on our webpage. And that complicated. But maybe there are other ways to correctly distribute loot?
So i invite you to discuss whether more alliances (even a League of Withywindle with many kins sharing one website to program raids/ettens/events) could work. And if it would work would it be in our advantage as a server?
Discuss ahead (id apreaciate if the leaders/officers of the WW kins were directed to this thread by members).
Communications wise, when I play, I usually use skype to communicate with the person I play with. I know that not all people use skype, but it could be an alternative as you can communicate with multiple people with it.
As far as communication goes custom chat channels are king. And as Dacho said, create a channel and invite people to it (that's what I did as well).
Now for the loot aspect of the game, this is a part I feel I know extensively. I've been using almost every system available (DKP, DKP blind auction, DKP open auction, SK, SK ladder, Trump, N/G/P, Ladder N/R, etc). Now it's all dependant on the group you play with.
If you have a STATIC GROUP where no one is overly concerned with loot but everyone works towards a common goal and people can pass a piece of loot they'd be eligable for in favor of someone else to whom it'd be a greater upgrade the Ladder N/R is preferable. Basically you have a ladder measuring participation and the people above a certain treshold are eligable for a certain piece of loot.They then get -points and drop on the ladder.
For a totally RANDOM GROUP N/G/P is probably the best way to distribute loot.
For a SEMI-STATIC GROUP, which includes most of pug raids as well as a lot of kin raids, the best way imo is Trumps. It works the way that you get a certain amount for each boss you kill as well as for participating (e.g. 1st kill 5pts, 2nd kill 3pts, farm 1pts/boss, Staying the entire raid 2pts, leaving early or turning up late -1pts (for a total of -2pts if turning up late and leaving early)). When a piece drops people with trump points can trump on it, the person with the highest trump (of those who trumps) wins the piece and in the process that person will lose all their trumps as well as trumps from the current raid. If no one trumps it goes for a roll. This systems is good because it means that you can get a fairly even distribution of loot while AT THE SAME TIME giving the option of getting loot that you really want, just save your trump points. It's also a good system because you won't have people racking up points and getting all the loot in a raid (a problem with older DKP systems without a harcap or softcap). DKP is a bad system for new people since older people can have an insane amount of points so I'd stay away from DKP systems as far as possible.
The more even loot distribution there is while maintaining a slight advantage for people that raid often is something that keeps most people happy in the long run, that is why I'd choose Trumps any day of the week. Not to mention that it works for both casual and hc raiders alike. If you have any questions about trumps or such just send me a tell ingame and I'll try to answer any questions
I like the idea of alliance channels between like-minded kins.
Sometimes there aren't enough people to play with around in kins with members of different levels or at certain timezones, and not all players are aware of the /GLobalLFF channel (nor are there enough people in there).
Can we discuss the creation of said alliance chat channel + its name?
A good model to look at would be The Lonely Mountain Band's /alesandtales channel on the RP-encouraged server Landroval.
Regular broadcasts to your kin via kin-wide mail to join the alliance channel maybe once a week for the benefit of new members would also be good too.
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I like the idea of alliance channels between like-minded kins.
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Can we discuss the creation of said alliance chat channel + its name?
IMHO: don't discuss that here. Basically, what you will then be making is another globallff, or more like globalraid.
That is actually countering the purpose of a raid alliance, which should be stronger interconnection between different kins, for the purpose of raiding. So instead of making a public alliance channel (aka, globallff2), talk to the various kinships that you would like to form an alliance with, and make a private channel between said kins.
As far as communication goes custom chat channels are king. And as Dacho said, create a channel and invite people to it (that's what I did as well).
As they said, it works well.
I am a member of some groups that are designed for certain individuals, both on Withywindle and on other servers too, and then we also have alliance chats between kinships and their members to arrange events/raids and it works as a pool for finding members to vacant spots.
Using custom channels work well, and you can set passwords onto them to ensure that only the people you want to give access, can enter and participate.
I have a suggestion - how about for all kin officers here to broadcast to all members of their kins to /joinchannel globallff ?
globallff is actually not very well populated, and considering the large number of new players who arrived courtesy of the recent "recommended server-ship" (now over) of Withywindle, most of the new players aren't even aware that it exists.
What's worse - the commonly accepted channel on other servers is "glff", not "globallff" which adds to the confusion.
Whaddayathink?
Also, for those interested in kin alliance & custom kin channels, ours is /reddit & mostly open to everyone.
Edit: Do you guys have existing open alliance channels, & if so, would you guys like to list them here?
Problem with Global is just that is global its ends up with the best and worst players in it and sometimes its very hard to get anything done, Generally speaking for my kinship we mostly do groups raids instances with only our own members, when you have team speak which is far superior to typing in chat why try and do pugs with randoms when you can have an organised team speak run
Problem with Global is just that is global its ends up with the best and worst players in it and sometimes its very hard to get anything done, Generally speaking for my kinship we mostly do groups raids instances with only our own members, when you have team speak which is far superior to typing in chat why try and do pugs with randoms when you can have an organised team speak run
That's well and good for yours and other large and established kins, but for smaller kins or kins with a lot of new people at lower levels who don't have people to play with in the areas they're at, this can be very frustrating, and a large number of the new players from the recent Withywindle as "recommended server" influx have already left either the server, or worse the game. Playing at your particular timezones, you may not realize these things if you see a lot of people playing when you are, but for people playing at other timezones it can be bad, and telling them to go play at "server X instead" is a terrible thing to say when they've already invested & sunk in a number of hours in Withy.
Reading back across the forum threads here on Withy, looks like before the recent "recommended server" status, Withy was having severe population problems, with a large number of people and end-gamers migrating to other servers like Laurelin.
If you guys don't want a repeat of that and Withy turning ghost-towny again, I suggest everyone take better care of the new players & make the atmosphere very conducive for the newbies to play with and love (patience required).
The game setup of regional chatwalling has not been good in this regard as people in some regions may think that no one much is playing on the server anymore, when in fact a large population is at Region X and just happened not to be where they currently were. So in times of trouble and need of fellowships or quick bailouts, the newbies are left not fun situations and may opt to leave the game.
As such, I recommend all kins make it mandatory to broadcast to their members via kin mail to /joinchannel globallff every once in a while at the very least. If the individual doesn't like the "chatter spam" on globallff, he can just /leavechannel it, but every single player in Withy needs to learn that the channel exists.
I've personally seen a couple of players in their level 30s decide to leave because they couldn't find enough people to play with in their zones and didn't know where to look. The fresh blood influx that's saved withy from turning into a ghost town is over & people arriving at starter zones has slowed down to a trickle.
I suggest every kin act as ambassadors and do what they can to make the game and the server a welcome and fun place to our newcomers to retain them.
tldr; - All kins should at minimum explain and broadcast "/joinchannel globallff" to every kinsman if they have new kinmates entering, and make it a regular reminder - perhaps once a week or 2 now that there's still a lot of new players, then maybe once a month later.
EDIT: FYI everyone, I've seen the /globallff channel drop down to as low as 19 players, which is almost useless for LFF if all these people are scattered across different regions & levels, considering that more than half or so are usually busy.
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That's well and good for yours and other large and established kins, but for smaller kins or kins with a lot of new people at lower levels who don't have people to play with in the areas they're at, this can be very frustrating, and a large number of the new players from the recent Withywindle as "recommended server" influx have already left either the server, or worse the game. Playing at your particular timezones, you may not realize these things if you see a lot of people playing when you are, but for people playing at other timezones it can be bad, and telling them to go play at "server X instead" is a terrible thing to say when they've already invested & sunk in a number of hours in Withy.
Reading back across the forum threads here on Withy, looks like before the recent "recommended server" status, Withy was having severe population problems, with a large number of people and end-gamers migrating to other servers like Laurelin.
If you guys don't want a repeat of that and Withy turning ghost-towny again, I suggest everyone take better care of the new players & make the atmosphere very conducive for the newbies to play with and love (patience required).
The game setup of regional chatwalling has not been good in this regard as people in some regions may think that no one much is playing on the server anymore, when in fact a large population is at Region X and just happened not to be where they currently were. So in times of trouble and need of fellowships or quick bailouts, the newbies are left not fun situations and may opt to leave the game.
As such, I recommend all kins make it mandatory to broadcast to their members via kin mail to /joinchannel globallff every once in a while at the very least. If the individual doesn't like the "chatter spam" on globallff, he can just /leavechannel it, but every single player in Withy needs to learn that the channel exists.
I've personally seen a couple of players in their level 30s decide to leave because they couldn't find enough people to play with in their zones and didn't know where to look. The fresh blood influx that's saved withy from turning into a ghost town is over & people arriving at starter zones has slowed down to a trickle.
I suggest every kin act as ambassadors and do what they can to make the game and the server a welcome and fun place to our newcomers to retain them.
tldr; - All kins should at minimum explain and broadcast "/joinchannel globallff" to every kinsman if they have new kinmates entering, and make it a regular reminder - perhaps once a week or 2 now that there's still a lot of new players, then maybe once a month later.
EDIT: FYI everyone, I've seen the /globallff channel drop down to as low as 19 players, which is almost useless for LFF if all these people are scattered across different regions & levels, considering that more than half or so are usually busy.
I have an idea that might help support our newbies a bit but I have no idea how to do it in LOTRO being somewhat new myself. So I am going to explain in terms of WoW and maybe one of you experienced folks can work out the LOTRO equivalent.
We have [Advice] and [globaliff] so lets use them.
In WoW it is possible to write a macro that says a specific message on a specific channel or set of channels. What about writing something like that that tells newbies how to join/chat in channels that will be helpful to them. Then we can just trigger it to speak in regional whenever we enter an new zone and hopefully the newbies will read it and learn.
I know I spend a great deal of time answering questions in Advice or regional (regional and just plain say more often than anything else). Unfortunately that only works if I am in a zone where the newbies are. If they knew how to ask in advice or global then it would open up getting thier answers from a much larger bunch of folks.
Even better if Turbine made a global channel default for everyone, similar to regional where you can turn it off if its a nuisance, and have the channel applicable throughout Middle-Earth, just like our glff/globallff.
The problem is that new players and new players who form their own kins (which is very very good, nice for personality & variation) - don't know that /globallff exists.
Short of Turbine doing something to auto-broadcast when players change regions, I think the only way to let them know that it exists is for older players to broadcast a message at starter zones /advice or /regional channels that /globallff exists, and for kins to inform members that it does exist.
Can we all make this mandatory for our kins from now one, letting new members know that /globallff exists?
It's funny but I also joined /glff (which is less confusing and painful to type IMHO) and there were 11 members hanging out there and someone pointed out "hey guys, you do know that people here are on /globallff and not /glff, right?" - the ironic thing being that there were only 50 people in /globallff at the time which isn't actually very much.
Actually, if we're going to be broadcasting this to all our kins, starter zones, etc, since the effort is just about the same, can't we all just broadcast for people to join /glff instead like any other normal LOTRO server, which is less painful & confusing to type?
As for talking in these chat channels, there's no need for macros as it's as simple as /1 <msg> or /2 <msg> depending on it being the Nth channel you joined when you typed /joinchannel globallff (or maybe please, glff instead? hahah)
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The problem is that new players and new players who form their own kins (which is very very good, nice for personality & variation) - don't know that /globallff exists.
Short of Turbine doing something to auto-broadcast when players change regions, I think the only way to let them know that it exists is for older players to broadcast a message at starter zones /advice or /regional channels that /globallff exists, and for kins to inform members that it does exist.
Can we all make this mandatory for our kins from now one, letting new members know that /globallff exists?
It's funny but I also joined /glff (which is less confusing and painful to type IMHO) and there were 11 members hanging out there and someone pointed out "hey guys, you do know that people here are on /globallff and not /glff, right?" - the ironic thing being that there were only 50 people in /globallff at the time which isn't actually very much.
Actually, if we're going to be broadcasting this to all our kins, starter zones, etc, since the effort is just about the same, can't we all just broadcast for people to join /glff instead like any other normal LOTRO server, which is less painful & confusing to type?
As for talking in these chat channels, there's no need for macros as it's as simple as /1 <msg> or /2 <msg> depending on it being the Nth channel you joined when you typed /joinchannel globallff (or maybe please, glff instead? hahah)
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Yes I know how to talk in the channels. I was hoping to make a macro so I didn't have to retype instructions on how to join the channels over and over. Sort of a hit a new area hit a one button macro to put it in regional. TO help get the word out to the new folks.
As a new player, I didn't know about /globallff until I'd seen this thread.
For that matter, the manual doesn't really say much about how in-game communication works in (and who reads the manual anyway), and there aren't any quests teaching how to do it, so there are probably many newbies running around not communicating because they've not yet learned how. Kinship recruiting probably suffers because of this; when I first saw an advertising kinship say "contact .... for an invitation", my reaction was "great, but how do I do that?"
The occasional broadcast of instructions to the regional or advice channel would be helpful, I think.
Okay - for that macro thing, you can quickslot the broadcast message to /advice as follows:
/shortcut <slot number> /advice <message>
For the slot number, I suggest something high like 67 if you're not sure which slot is which, then enable quickbar 4 &5 to see it, then drag it to your preferred quickslot location.
I stupidly didn't think of it before hahah ;P
Now decision:
/globallff or /glff? I suggest /glff to be compliant with all other LOTRO server conventions & reduce confusion. It's not only for the benefit of new players, but also for people arriving from other servers who get disoriented with it. The extra-ish middle "L" in globallff also makes it very confusing & inconvenient for people typing it the 1st time.
There's a tiny number of people in /glff at all times it seems (about 11-20).
Since we're going to be doing an effort to do this anyway, and people are going to be seeing it the 1st time, IMHO /glff will make it easier for everyone in the long run. Long-time Withywindlers might not like this if this change occurs, but as it is, I don't see any real difference as there's only about 80~ or so people on /globallff when I log on during a good variety of timezones. Highest I've seen so far 111-123ish, seen it drop to 19. That number is honestly too small to properly support PUGs when the people are scattered across different character levels and regions.
That's just me, lemme know what you guys think.
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Okay - for that macro thing, you can quickslot the broadcast message to /advice as follows:
/shortcut <slot number> /advice <message>
For the slot number, I suggest something high like 67 if you're not sure which slot is which, then enable quickbar 4 &5 to see it, then drag it to your preferred quickslot location.
Ok one small question since I am a noob at doing this in this game
where exactly am I typing the
/shortcut <slot number> /advice <message>
In WoW you do /macro and type it there. here I have no idea.
/shortcut 37 /advice "PSA: If you weren't aware, everyone, please /joinchannel glff to look for fellowships serverwide globally across all game regions. That is all thank you."
-> that will quickslot that message to the 1st slot on the 3rd quickbar from the bottom to broadcast that message to /advice.
Just type it in the normal chat input box.
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I guess im only one thinking joining global under lvl40 will not actualy do much good for old or new players. As maybe less then 5% people above lvl60 will actualy join anything users up to lvl50 will ask, and if 90% of 2-3 000 people from eriador that made acc on withy last 4weeks of server beeing promoted, actualy join glff, there will be to much mocking, anonying frustration and fights on who is right in answering numerous questions or who will sell cheaper, cuz' those people will ask from light hide to help with book1 up to advice on why is this or that non f2p and only vip stuff and people will get tired of answering. Not to speak about how much spam will be on glff as there is lower number of players on glff there and still to much spam daily.
Asking advice/Lff in Bree,Thorin,Shire for lvl1-40 will always be better then do it on glff. That is purpose of each region having LFF.
I agree that players in their 60s+ won't be of much use to new players in their 10s-20s due being in different regions & having no items or resources that can be used by lower level players due to level restrictions.
However do remember that prior to being a recommended server, Withywindle was having ghost town problems that was snowballing with players jumping ship from the server (I asked on /globallff and other players confirmed. There's also a few threads in here about em, like the one about tips on migrating to Laurelin)
Yes, it may inconvenience you hardcore raiders at late to endgame to see noobs, but with GW2 + Elder Scrolls Online coming out, if you want to have people to play with if you've invested in (or are going to) Riders of Rohan for the future, you have to be more accommodating to new players.
It doesn't have to be in the form of items, equipments, or babysitting them in quests/runs - advice is enough and invaluable. In fact, it is the best thing you can give them and do for the server. Now that new arrivals have slowed down & the new wave of players are their late 20s-40s, there's less people in the starter zones to help out the new players on questions & advice, and this is bad for the server overall and may eventually lead to another ghost town if not remedied. /advice on Bree now sounds like the blind leading the blind with most players being new. Shire and Ered Luin are now par for the course again with other servers, with only about 14-30 players on at a time in their various sections when they used to be at cap.
No good.
Aside from one guy in his level 30s I met who decided to leave because he couldn't find enough players at this level to run around with (not being aware of /globallff), someone who left our kin to help out with the kin his RL friend just started returned to us saying that (edited for correction) his kin leader friend abandoned the game. I parked one of my toons at that kin as they requested an alliance and it was sitting at 4 pages of members prior to dissolving, and that sounds bad.
And the populations here are already very good in comparison to other LOTRO servers.
Thoughts?
GW2 is coming & soon after TES: Online. If you guys think it was bad before, wait til those MMOs come out. From what I've heard (I arrived on other servers just as D3 launched), D3 took quite a toll on the player base. The recent Steam influx is a lucky break, but it's not going to last forever and has winded down.
I say now that the server has a new lease on life & the population complaints on this thread has been resoundingly addressed by Turbine, better do a pre-emptive strike on making this server a really good, welcoming one to be around in, especially the new players who probably won't stick around if you guys don't take the extra effort. One of the suggestions here was pretty good for not having to re-type things over and over again for new players.
Maybe some of you or volunteer kins/officers can hotkey/quickslot "newbie FAQ/URL links" to quickly adress some stuff if typing is too much effort.
The player influx gravy train is over. Take care of the "yung uns" if you want to keep this server lively.
As a Landroval 30s-40s regional ghost town refugee, I'd like to request for the rest of you guys to help out and prevent the same from happening (again?) on this server.
Regards,
Last edited by naztafari; Jul 23 2012 at 02:15 PM.
I guess im only one thinking joining global under lvl40 will not actualy do much good for old or new players. As maybe less then 5% people above lvl60 will actualy join anything users up to lvl50 will ask, and if 90% of 2-3 000 people from eriador that made acc on withy last 4weeks of server beeing promoted, actualy join glff, there will be to much mocking, anonying frustration and fights on who is right in answering numerous questions or who will sell cheaper, cuz' those people will ask from light hide to help with book1 up to advice on why is this or that non f2p and only vip stuff and people will get tired of answering. Not to speak about how much spam will be on glff as there is lower number of players on glff there and still to much spam daily.
Asking advice/Lff in Bree,Thorin,Shire for lvl1-40 will always be better then do it on glff. That is purpose of each region having LFF.
Zrinko I usually agree with you in most things but I find that here I don't on one thing.
I cannot see it as a good thing to keep new players in the dark on HOW to ask questions on other channels. We have seen one person here already that was new and had no clue how to even pst someone. I think a simple statement broadcast when entering an area giving instructions on how to join channels and ask questions in [advice] can't be a bad thing.
Maybe some of you or volunteer kins/officers can hotkey/quickslot "newbie FAQ/URL links" to quickly adress some stuff if typing is too much effort.
You know I can't find a way to not take this as an insult and I have been trying to find that way. I am trying to help you with your idea and get the word out and you make it sound like I am being lazy.
There are many reasons folks might not want to retype every time. In my case because I am a lousy typist. Broadcasting a message that is all typos is worse than none at all. I would rather do it right once and be able to reuse it.
I do appreciate your assistance in how to do the macro and I will be doing it but the last 5 words of the quoted line are just flat rude.
You know I can't find a way to not take this as an insult and I have been trying to find that way. I am trying to help you with your idea and get the word out and you make it sound like I am being lazy.
There are many reasons folks might not want to retype every time. In my case because I am a lousy typist. Broadcasting a message that is all typos is worse than none at all. I would rather do it right once and be able to reuse it.
I do appreciate your assistance in how to do the macro and I will be doing it but the last 5 words of the quoted line are just flat rude.
Oh, I'm really sorry, I absolutely didn't mean it that way!
I meant lazy as in being efficient/doing things more conveniently, not as in "you slackers!"
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LazinessImpatienceHubris
"We will encourage you to develop the three great virtues of a programmer: laziness, impatience, and hubris." -- LarryWall, ProgrammingPerl (1st edition), OreillyAndAssociates
Laziness
The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. Also hence, this book. See also impatience and hubris. (p.609)
I've just also recently realized that this can be done and have been finding it very convenient too. Having to CTRL-C CTRL-V messages into chat over and over again can get quite tiring when done over a lot of iterations!
Assuming you want to stay with the DKP system...or maybe you wanna do a round-robin distribution, have you considered using Google Docs (spreadsheet is probably more helpful here) to keep track of who gets what instead? Although it does assume everyone has a google account, but I think it's a bit less convoluted than signing up for an account on a guild hosting site. Also, a bit more useful since some websites allow you to log in with your google account anyway.
Oh, I'm really sorry, I absolutely didn't mean it that way!
I meant lazy as in being efficient/doing things more conveniently, not as in "you slackers!"
I've just also recently realized that this can be done and have been finding it very convenient too. Having to CTRL-C CTRL-V messages into chat over and over again can get quite tiring when done over a lot of iterations!
TY apology accepted and appreciated. More importantly I understand what you were at getting at now
Alliases use ";" prefix intead of the "/" of commands and when you create an alias you can specify to which channel you want the message to be broadcasted.
Using the previous example settng the alliases would be something like :
/alias ;globallff /advice "PSA: If you weren't aware, everyone, please /joinchannel glff to look for fellowships serverwide globally across all game regions. That is all thank you."
To broadcast into advice that message just type in:
;globallff
I've seen another guy in his 30s quit because he didn't know about /globallff and couldn't find people his level to play with in the regions he was with. Most players who came from the Steam Recommended server status are also new so they don't know that it exists.
Let's get started on this already.
so 1) vote: glff or globallff ?
2) start broadcasting.
I vote /glff so players from other servers immediately know where to look.
Please make it mandatory for all kinmates to join whichever channel we decide on (actually join both just in case & to be safe).
We've already made it mandatory in our kin to join both channels, with /globallff as the secondary glff channel.
I've seen another guy in his 30s quit because he didn't know about /globallff and couldn't find people his level to play with in the regions he was with. Most players who came from the Steam Recommended server status are also new so they don't know that it exists.
Let's get started on this already.
so 1) vote: glff or globallff ?
2) start broadcasting.
I vote /glff so players from other servers immediately know where to look.
Please make it mandatory for all kinmates to join whichever channel we decide on (actually join both just in case & to be safe).
We've already made it mandatory in our kin to join both channels, with /globallff as the secondary glff channel.
Go?
Apologies but that vote seems useless as there is already a established global chat.
If people want to start their own new one thats their choice.
I have been on the 2 for quite some time even nowdays at my playing time glff in numbers is around 10%-15% of globallff. so if in this vote glff wins what will change? are you going to try force the people from globallff to move to glff? make it the one for new players in server?
Its all fine to inform (or advertise) people new to the server about global chat but it is not really a thing for isolation there are some active channels by default available to players especially in low areas where it is more likely to have people on same quests/levels as they are:
/lff; /regional; /OOC; /advise;
During this large inflow of new players i recall being on a low level alt in the shire and seeing people using those channels. Bree is still a busy place nowdays so people.
/globallff is really more important as you get closer to cap level.
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And in my opinion anything that gets people together more and interacting more can only be good for the server, provided it doesn't turn into an exclusive group of the best from each kinship where new people are excluded from even trying raids 
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