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  1. Jun 18 2012 08:29 AM #1
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    Dynamics bug?

    I have been trying to get accents in my music by using dynamics, but it seems that if i put more then one control in the same measure the file won't play at all in game (works great in the ABC player)

    is this a known bug? is there a work around?
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  2. Jun 19 2012 02:20 PM #2
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    Re: Dynamics bug?

    That's a weird bug, I often use tons of dynamics markers for something like drum parts, as an example this measure which plays fine in game (it's not very pretty formatted):
    Code:
    +mf+=G,/2x/2+ppp+^C,/2x/2 +mf+=G,/2x/2+ff+=D,/2x/2 +mf+=G,/2x/2+mf+=G,/2x/2 +ff+=D,/2x/2+mf+=G,/2x/2|
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  3. Jun 20 2012 01:05 AM #3
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    ok so why does this NOT play:
    +mf+
    z/2[E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]
    [DE,B,G][E,B,G]+ff+[DE,F,G/4]+mf+[E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,B,G/2][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]
    [DE,B,G/2][CE,B,G/2]+fff+[E,F,G/4]+mf+[E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]+fff+[E,F,G/4]+mf+[DE,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]+ff+[E,B,G/2]+f+[E,B,G/2]+mf+[E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]
    [DE,B,G][E,B,G]+ff+[DE,F,G/8]+mf+[E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8]+ff+[E,B,G/2]+mf+[E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]
    [DE,B,G/2][CE,B,G/2]+ff+[E,F,G/4]+mf+[E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]+ff+[DE,B,G]

    but this does:
    z/2[E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]
    [DE,B,G][E,B,G][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,B,G/2][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]
    [DE,B,G/2][CE,B,G/2][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][DE,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,B,G/2][E,B,G/2][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]
    [DE,B,G][E,B,G][DE,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,F,G/8][E,B,G/2][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4]
    [DE,B,G/2][CE,B,G/2][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][E,F,G/4][DE,B,G]

    ?? (yes, this is a simulated snare drum sound i've been working on...)
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  4. Jun 20 2012 02:08 AM #4
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    Theoretically you should get a "note still sounding" error or something like that in both versions right with the second chord. Obviously the game engine ignores this, but I believe it's still the cause of the problem for the version with dynamics:

    you try to change the volume of two notes still sounding multiple times starting here

    ... +fff+[E,F,G/4]+mf+[E,F,G/4] ...

    E, and F, are still sounding (3/4 left) at +fff+ when you tell the engine to play them at +mf+
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  5. Jun 20 2012 11:19 AM #5
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    ah! i didn't understand how that worked.

    Thanks, that did the trick... the new riff:

    +mf+
    z/2[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]
    [DE,B,G][E,B,G]+ff+[D/4E,/4F,/4G/4]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/2B,/2G/2][E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]
    [D/2E,/2B,/2G/2][C/2E,/2B,/2G/2]+fff+[E,/4F,/4G/4]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]+fff+[E,/4F,/4G/4]+mf+[D/4E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]+ff+[E,/2B,/2G/2]+f+[E,/2B,/2G/2]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]
    [DE,B,G][E,B,G]+ff+[D/8E,/8F,/8G/8]+mf+[E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8]+ff+[E,/2B,/2G/2]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]
    [D/2E,/2B,/2G/2][C/2E,/2B,/2G/2]+ff+[E,/4F,/4G/4]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]+ff+[DE,B,G]

    works like a charm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyim View Post
    ah! i didn't understand how that worked.

    Thanks, that did the trick... the new riff:

    +mf+
    z/2[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]
    [DE,B,G][E,B,G]+ff+[D/4E,/4F,/4G/4]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/2B,/2G/2][E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]
    [D/2E,/2B,/2G/2][C/2E,/2B,/2G/2]+fff+[E,/4F,/4G/4]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]+fff+[E,/4F,/4G/4]+mf+[D/4E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]+ff+[E,/2B,/2G/2]+f+[E,/2B,/2G/2]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]
    [DE,B,G][E,B,G]+ff+[D/8E,/8F,/8G/8]+mf+[E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8][E,/8F,/8G/8]+ff+[E,/2B,/2G/2]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]
    [D/2E,/2B,/2G/2][C/2E,/2B,/2G/2]+ff+[E,/4F,/4G/4]+mf+[E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4][E,/4F,/4G/4]+ff+[DE,B,G]

    works like a charm.
    That sounds wicked in ABC player. In-game it gives me this - "Note's duration is too short. Line 5, column 21."
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    If you uncheck the option "Ignore LOTRO-specific errors" in ABC Player (Tools menu) it will give you the exact same error message.
    Add the following line to the top of the file:

    Q: 62

    Default for Q is 100. I had to reduce it to 62 for the file to play. It would be interesting to know, if anyone can play it at higher values in game.
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  8. Jun 28 2012 08:30 AM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBarde View Post
    If you uncheck the option "Ignore LOTRO-specific errors" in ABC Player (Tools menu) it will give you the exact same error message.
    Add the following line to the top of the file:

    Q: 62

    Default for Q is 100. I had to reduce it to 62 for the file to play. It would be interesting to know, if anyone can play it at higher values in game.
    Not I, 62 is the highest it would play. It's not nearly as crisp in-game as it is in abc player. Maybe abc player just has better samples.
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