Thread: Too little, too late

OMG I don't believe this, you dont get it, you really must have more dollers than sence. You had the option of buying Star Wars:TOR at $39, $59 and $79 all you needed was the $59 pack the $79 have cool collectables for you to keep. We are in an Economic crunch, 50% or more cant aford the $70 Turbine wants, (and at a price like that it should be for people just buying the game for the first time, and include all contents). As it is we can't even get the special horse to fight in the fields in RoR unless we buy the $70 pack. At least if you buy the other packs you can still buy the bag, crystal and other junk with TP but you cant get the Horse, at least not yet and if you are able to later it will cost at least 2995 TP, makeing it cost the same if not more than the orinigal $70 depending on the pack you bought to start with.
So what it all boils down to is a rip-off. This game nore any is worth a $70 up-grade went most people are finding themselfs in hard times. But all gready Corperate Big-Wigs care about is the allmighty Doller. Now if the would common sence, and half all their prices right down to TP durring these hard times then John-Q-Public would remember this and stay with them in the hard times, and come back even stronger in the good times.
This is a little Ecnomis lession that was tought durring the Great Depression and it work for them so I don't see why it couldn't work for Turbine!

Originally Posted by Sultiana

As it is we can't even get the special horse to fight in the fields in RoR unless we buy the $70 pack.

Actually, all can get a war steed for mounted combat, even free players. If you don't buy RoR, you are just limited in the skills and/or skill trees the horse gets. It is possible those can also be unlocked with TP later, I don't think we have details on it yet.

Well I wasn't going to buy it.

But then they offered 2k TP (As we asked).
And then told us that the instance cluster when it comes out will be free to those that paid for the expac.(Bad comms on their part. Nothing new here).

So I bought it.

WHY??

Because I get:

1x Quest pack.
1x Full Access too the mount trait lines.
1x 6th bag across ALL toons.
1x Free access to all future instance clusters to do with RoR.
1x Bunch of fluff (Horse, Costume, Lowbie Levelling Pocket item, and a Crystal thingy that sets your legacy to t2 after teasing you with a t6 icon)

$70? Yeh a bit steep. But for a MMO first (Mounted Combat). I'm happy to pay the studio the extra $25-30 for their hard work. AND ITS MOUNTED COMBAT!!!!!!!


P.S Did I mention ITS MOUNTED COMBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Been here since the beta and bounced in and out since (not on this account).

Turbines communication skills have always sucked.
I don't believe anything said by Turbine about the game until it gets in game.

If I had to pay a sub I would not be here now.
I have spent money since being back and probably will again.
I will not buy RoR until it goes 1/2 off, but I'm cheap.

If LOTRO wasn't such a nice, easy and relaxing game I would not be here at all.

It's sad too, I think Turbine/WB could have made just as much money with cosmetics and some upgrades to storage and such that would have brought just as many new people and would not have lost some that disagree with some items in the store.

I do not plan on prepurchasing. I may buy it with TP later on, or I just may not buy it at all. I'm not happy with Turbine as a company. They won't even let you mention another game in the off-topic forum, they keep locking or deleting them. Obviously afraid of the competition.

Originally Posted by Stigger32

1x 6th bag across ALL toons.

See here's the issue, this should have been a basic staple added to the game as a whole to help combat the poor inventory system of lotro, but it's not. they want you to pay for it. Something basic like having enough room, pre-order and you can have it now or pay 995 TP later. People like you who are willing to accept this as reasonable is most definitely part of the problem. You're sabotaging your own game and don't even realize it.

Think of it this way, 3 people know it's a rip off. 2 buy it anyway, one completely quits. Later on another basic mechanic of the game that should be free is charged for, both sigh and pay for it. It happens yet again, this time one person sighs and pays for it. the other is gone as well.
If at the beginning all three of these people said no and refused to pay for it the company would rethink their marketing strategy and you wouldn't be in a situation now where you think it's not only acceptable, but a good deal? You certainly lack perspective on what is a good deal in MMO's. This is most certainly not it. This reeks of a company milking every last dime from the people they can so their quarterlies look better.
I'm all for capitalism and believe companies have a right to profit, but there is a line between profit and blatant greed. This line has been crossed repeatedly yet you still give them your money. now it's to the point where you believe everything you listed is worth 70$. Even the legendary edition is not worth the basic edition price.
You're a Tolkien fan? Show it by not letting a greedy company like this soil the franchise. Love the game, wanted to bring a friend of mine to it, then we started talking dollars and it floored me how much it would cost her to get started thanks to you (yes you the players who support and endorse this).
Love or hate WoW as you will, it does not change the fact that for 50$ you can buy the game start from scratch and be completely current, expansions and everything.

It really does sadden me to see what this game has become. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

Originally Posted by Stigger32

$70? Yeh a bit steep.

A bit steep? If it's a brand new console game it's a bit steep. If it's a brand new MMO it's a bit steep. For an 'expansion' in a f2p mmo it's laughable they would even conceive of attempting to charge people that. $70 is nothing for me to spend on a game if it was worth it. There are still bugs in RoI content that have been there since that release. They don't maintain, they rarely offer updates and when they do it's stuff that should have been released when the expansion was, yet they artificially pad it to make it look like a content update when it should have already been out.

Originally Posted by Stigger32

But for a MMO first (Mounted Combat). I'm happy to pay the studio the extra $25-30 for their hard work. AND ITS MOUNTED COMBAT!!!!!!!


P.S Did I mention ITS MOUNTED COMBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where did you get it in your head that:
A. Turbine works hard, and
B. That mounted combat in this 'expansion' will be an MMO first?

Have you played other games? where do you get your perspective on this? Hard working companies would not let bugs persist for so long. no hard working MMO developer would go a year+ with 0 content updates. In an MMO that is unheard of unless it was in it's death throws and they were just letting players play until they shut the servers off.

I'm beating my head against my desk here asking myself why you guys don't look at the overall picture of this with some perspective, I certainly don't have unreasonable expectations for the game, Mines of Moria was my favorite expansion in any MMO, yet they want me to pay the same amount for a far inferior quality of gaming now? They're riding this game into the ground at a staggering pace.

I'll pay for the expansion when we get a dev team that actually maintains and works on their product. deal?

For me, I look at SoM and RoI's instance cluster. The IC's were the only reason I was interested in the expansions in the first place, and if I could go back in time and stop myself from purchasing those expansions I would. Both were lack luster, had/still have bugs and it doesn't matter, time to churn out the next bugged lack luster content. Not to mention, one instance constantly becomes spammed because its easy with great reward. No idea about the amount of instances, let alone the quality. If its as big as Moria, nothing less than 7 to 10 instances will be acceptable.

TP? Unnecessary, and I'm not a lifetime. Does very little to sweeten the pot for me.

Mounted Combat? Nothing implemented previously has been done without bugs. Can't wait to see what excuses start leaking close to launch date, to soften the blow and temper expectations.

Those are my personal reasons for not Pre-Ordering, and not even considering purchase until the instance cluster is out. The price is simply far to high for an expansion to a f2p game. I like LOTRO but it is bad practice to pay money without knowing exactly what your getting in return, and if it goes on sale at a practical price perhaps I will purchase it then.

Originally Posted by ThorrandWS

People like you who are willing to accept this as reasonable is most definitely part of the problem. You're sabotaging your own game and don't even realize it.

Not going quote the full post but definately agree with it all! Sadly I think peoples' lotro habits are simply carried over from RL.

I'll say it again. These people have more Dollers than sence!

Originally Posted by Jiraiyaisnolia

gentle snip:
But the fact that I pre-purchased SoM and RoI on the first day, and the fact that I'm still on the fence as far as RoR is concerned, should tell Turbine something about the way they handled the pre-purchase program at first.

when founders like me, who bought previous expansions without blinking an eye, are now not jumping in and buying right away, it should send a strong message to Turbine.