Thread: A word about the Riders of Rohan Pre-Purchase packs.

Originally Posted by Harmat

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Turbine has always been know for value for money and thats why it has so many Fans.

Wierd, I thought it had something to do with Tolkien ...

Thank you very much Turbine. I know I appreciate this gesture.

Originally Posted by RedlineJunkie

VIPs get enough TP per year granted (6,000) to purchase the expansion, so you don't have to pay real money if you are good about saving your points. The RoI instance cluster and Draigoch raid were available for TP eventually. The total cost of the RoI quest pack, instance cluster, and Draigoch raid was 5995TP, if I remember right.

Only if I want to wait 3 months (or longer since we have no date) to actually have access to the quest pack. Otherwise, I have to pay now and again later. It was a lot more than 6K TP if you bought RoI quests, Draigoch and the IC/Raid that came out 3 months later seperately, you know so you could play for 3 months.

Originally Posted by Lohi

Unless things have changed from last year, here's what I predict: The "expansion" will NOT be available for TP until the instances are released! However a "rohan quest pack" will be available from the store on day of expansion release. The store is not set up to allow purchasing items that do not exist yet and if the instances do not exist then the store won't be able to grant them.

Although they may have changed some of the store infrastructure since last year to make this work, I would not count on it unless Turbine explicitly says that full expansion including instances is available via TP the day of release.

Originally Posted by Lestache

Until that is actually true, we're stuck with the current model: subscription status doesn't matter, only cash does. A VIP who purchases RoR w/TP on September 5th receives less than does a Premium player who purchases RoR with cash.

Originally Posted by RedlineJunkie

I assume it will work the same way for VIPs (lifetimers are VIPs) as it did with RoI. A VIP either:

Buys RoR with cash from Digial River and gets the instance cluster/raid later, for free.
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Wait until September and buy the RoR quest pack with TP. Then buy the instance cluster later with TP. Then buy the separate raid with TP.
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Wait until the instance cluster/raid is released and buy the entire RoR expansion with TP.

I'm figuring the same and I'm not sure how mad I am about it. They managed to put the VIPs who saved their TP over a nice barrel last year and it looks like the same is going to happen this year. Wonder if they will give me the title Barrel-Rider.

Wow - You are listening. Great Community Service!!!!
This is really incredibly good news!
Thanks Turbine for doing right by your customers!

In confirming someone's speculation that a "Riders of Rohan Expansion" bundle could not be sold in the LOTRO Store prior to the release of the instance cluster in a future update:

Originally Posted by Sapience

Due to the technical requirements of the LOTRO Store, yes.

I believe you may be mistaken, Sapience.

When a player makes any account-wide purchase from the LOTRO Store, it applies a product identifier token to the player's account. (Technically speaking, to the player's subscription.) These tokens serve as the virtual keys to unlock gating mechanisms for in-game content and features.

Customers who have already purchased one of the expansion bundles for cash already have one or more of these tokens applied. There is no technical reason why the entire expansion could not be sold in the LOTRO Store at launch or even today if Turbine truly wanted to.

However, because this would have an immediate impact on Turbine's revenues, allowing customers to use their existing TP balances to purchase the expansion would probably be an unwise move for the company.

Originally Posted by Fredelas

I believe you may be mistaken, Sapience.

I had a rather drawn out conversation when this whole circumstance took place last year for Isengard and it's cluster.

Summarized, that while they couldn't disclose the details, it was a technical issue that +Sapience was surprised by when he sought the info in the first place on his own. Presumably that hasn't changed, and they dont have any financial incentive to to do so.

I post this because I don't feel it's worth our time arguing back and forth over what is or is not possible. They've stated it's not possible to apply a LotrO store product token to unlock content that for which the lock and content do not exist.

Dear Turbine :

Thanks VERY much

Love ( <3 )

PeeJaye

wow long thread -- but wanted to just express my own appreciation for the Turbine Points. Good move guys -- much appreciated.

Originally Posted by Crell_1

I had a rather drawn out conversation when this whole circumstance took place last year for Isengard and it's cluster.

Summarized, that while they couldn't disclose the details, it was a technical issue that +Sapience was surprised by when he sought the info in the first place on his own. Presumably that hasn't changed, and they dont have any financial incentive to to do so.

I post this because I don't feel it's worth our time arguing back and forth over what is or is not possible. They've stated it's not possible to apply a LotrO store product token to unlock content that for which the lock and content do not exist.

If there is indeed some super-secret technical problem behind it, then I certainly don't want Turbine spending time tinkering with fixing it. My stable rides are still getting stuck and Draigoch is still bugging out, and I suspect mounted combat still needs a lot of work. There are plenty of other areas that need technical attention besides the LOTRO Store.

I'll be content to buy it later when it becomes available in the LOTRO Store, or maybe even from the Marketplace for cash now, since the packages represent an obvious value with the addition of the instance cluster and Turbine Points.

Originally Posted by phaiLbuS

"First, many of you shared how much you appreciated the inclusion of Turbine Points as part of last year’s offers. While we believe that the Rohan packs already offer an excellent value, we’ve heard your request and are now adding bonus points into all tiers of the Pre-purchase packs!"

Wow, "While we already believe that the Rohan packs already offer an excellent value". No one caught that? How low can they go? Pitiful turbine, I still have cancelled my account, no matter how many turbine points you throw my way if it doesn't actually mean anything for the better.

Personally, I'd have rather seen a price drop than some TP. Why people are mollified with a zero-cost inclusion rather than a lowering of the price is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Fredelas

If there is indeed some super-secret technical problem behind it, then I certainly don't want Turbine spending time tinkering with fixing it. My stable rides are still getting stuck and Draigoch is still bugging out, and I suspect mounted combat still needs a lot of work. There are plenty of other areas that need technical attention besides the LOTRO Store.

I'll be content to buy it later when it becomes available in the LOTRO Store, or maybe even from the Marketplace for cash now, since the packages represent an obvious value with the addition of the instance cluster and Turbine Points.

At this point I'd be satisfied with "VIPs who buy an expansion with TP still get non-expansion updates for free, including instances, while non-VIPs continue to pay for everything piecemeal." As much as I like instances and raids, to me this would mean that if the instances aren't ready to ship with the expansion, then too bad. Whatever we pay for the expansion is what we pay, and VIPs get every update after that for free until the next expansion hits, and non-VIPs shell out TP for every update after that until the next expansion hits.

Better yet, try actually having the instances ready to ship with the expansion and we can stop having this discussion. There wasn't any hand-wringing over whether or not VIPs would have to pay for the Great River expansion and the accompanying instance, because it was an update and VIPs get those for free.

Good new, thanks!

Originally Posted by Sapience

As with Isengard, the cluster is included with the expansion, though it will ship in a later update. It will not be free if you do not purchase the Rohan expansion.

All of these "thanks" posts are diluting some legitimate questions. I have always pre-ordered immediately, but am wanting to use TP this time-- for the first time so please answer my question:

If I purchase (not pre-purchase) using Turbine Points (not cash), then when the instance cluster comes out, will it require additional Turbine Points to obtain?

Please answer yes or no. If the answer is yes, I will be slightly disappointed but I will immediately pre-purchase the legendary edition.

2 all who write thx in this thread, read this :
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...xpensive/page2
Any comments from Turbine ? Why we must pay now more ?


Community win ? no we lose again !

Originally Posted by toadriver

All of these "thanks" posts are diluting some legitimate questions. I have always pre-ordered immediately, but am wanting to use TP this time-- for the first time so please answer my question:

If I purchase (not pre-purchase) using Turbine Points (not cash), then when the instance cluster comes out, will it require additional Turbine Points to obtain?

Please answer yes or no. If the answer is yes, I will be slightly disappointed but I will immediately pre-purchase the legendary edition.

If you purchase the expansion you will not require the use of additional turbine points. This option will NOT be available when the content goes live. It will have to wait until the instance cluster is made available.

If you purchase the expansion content piece meal with turbine points when it goes live (The quest pack..) You will still need to spend additional turbine points to purchase the instance cluster when it goes live. This will likely be a greater amount of turbine points in total than if you had waited for the expansion to be available for TP. You a paying a premium for getting to 'its new' content at launch.

As for people who want the instances ready for launch with the expansion. ... You're way too late. I'd rather have instances that are much more polished and bug free than see them at expansion launch.

Originally Posted by MissMel

It was a lot more than 6K TP if you bought RoI quests, Draigoch and the IC/Raid that came out 3 months later seperately, you know so you could play for 3 months.

It was 5995 TP to buy the quest pack, instance cluster, and raid separately. IMO, it was worth it to pay a little more TP to get to play the quest pack immediately.

I will say thank you Turbine for offering packages now that are actually marginally competitive. I wont forget however the attempt to take advantage of our previous investments and addiction to a game in this overly obvious manner. Further, I will not forget that you are selling exclusive skills now that require such a huge markup.

I am furthermore firmly of the belief that the deciding factor here was lack of sales. Without making up any numbers now, I know that a lot less people within my sphere pre-purchased the expansion compared to Isengard times. And the reason for that simply is that it was not a competitive offer in light of what else you can get with 40/70 bucks now or soon.

Originally Posted by Asmothelion

2 all who write thx in this thread, read this :
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...xpensive/page2
Any comments from Turbine ? Why we must pay now more ?


Community win ? no we lose again !

The way I see it, this is user input error.
When you put the US product in dollar in your cart ( which does NOT have VAT included), it will apply the VAT on checkout that is valid for your country of residence. If you put the Euro version in your cart, this already has the VAT added and you should not be charged extra. Thats how you get the different prices.

You can switch between the versions by pushing the buttons at the top right.

People from Europe that bought the legendary version in Dollars without being accurate about their residency are technically committing tax fraud, I believe.

Originally Posted by Fredelas

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When a player makes any account-wide purchase from the LOTRO Store, it applies a product identifier token to the player's account. (Technically speaking, to the player's subscription.) These tokens serve as the virtual keys to unlock gating mechanisms for in-game content and features.

Customers who have already purchased one of the expansion bundles for cash already have one or more of these tokens applied. There is no technical reason why the entire expansion could not be sold in the LOTRO Store at launch or even today if Turbine truly wanted to. ...

I think you´re assuming quite a lot of things here. You or me do not know how the Store actually interacts with the account.

The last time around, it was assumed that there are several levels of hierarchy at work; the reason for this is that the store may actually not be handled by Turbine

You have the general customer account level that resides with Turbine.
Then you have the LotrO game account level that also resides with Turbine. Product codes that are entered at myaccount.turbine.com will be registered there.
And then you have a third level in the hierarchy that handles the store and the actual bonuses applied within the game.

It makes sense that this tree can communicate downwards (as in, flags set at the 2nd level trickle down to the third level). But you dont necessarily want the third level (i.e., a different company) to communicate and influence upwards. This also explains why the myaccount.turbine page only shows flags that are set there via product codes, not store-bought flags.

Again, this was an assumption based on available info.

Originally Posted by Vandervahn

I think you´re assuming quite a lot of things here. You or me do not know how the Store actually interacts with the account.

This is absolutely true. What we do know however is that when Enedwaith came out, it was available via the store as a quest pack but the instances were delayed. The F2P players who purchased the Enedwaith quest pack via the store at the time were still given access to the instances when they were later released.

I don't see how adding an expansion to the store where the instances component fits in later is any different from the above scenario.

Originally Posted by UnlikelyBeing

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I don't see how adding an expansion to the store where the instances component fits in later is any different from the above scenario.

The Enedwaith instances didnt have their own "flag". If you had Enedwaith, the same flag enabled the instances. Turbine put in separate flags for the later instances (this includes Halls of night/Inn of the Forsaken as well).

The assumption is:
The RoI content has 3 separate flags: Quests, Draigoch, Instances. They cant set a flag if the content isnt there yet. Buying the complete Isengard package in the store simply gives you all three flags.

A flag on the account level /through applying a code) hands down its flag regardless of if the content is available or not. A message from the account level overrides any input on the store/ingame level. Just like going VIP on the account level overrides the content flags on the store/ingame level.

Another thing to enter into the mix is the instances might be in the game already when ROR launches like other instances have been in the past.

Originally Posted by Patrickwg

Another thing to enter into the mix is the instances might be in the game already when ROR launches like other instances have been in the past.

They said they wouldn't be.

Edit: unless you you mean they are in the game just not playable in terms of store stuff?? not an expert there. I expect they will need to be added just like RoI ones though.

Thanks for listening and reacting to your player base, Preordering will be a done deal shortly.

Now that looks alot better! Huzzah! Turbine!

Originally Posted by UnlikelyBeing

This is absolutely true. What we do know however is that when Enedwaith came out, it was available via the store as a quest pack but the instances were delayed. The F2P players who purchased the Enedwaith quest pack via the store at the time were still given access to the instances when they were later released.

I don't see how adding an expansion to the store where the instances component fits in later is any different from the above scenario.

That's a very good point. Enedwaith was available in the LOTRO Store in September 2010. The Mysterious Relics deed was added three months later in January 2011. The Echoes of the Dead instances (spread across Eriador) were added six months later in March 2011. Many quest packs and even expansions have had content added long after their availability in the LOTRO Store. Most recently, new content was added to the Moria quest pack, part of the Mines of Moria expansion.

It appears that Turbine simply has no desire or incentive to include the new instance cluster with an existing quest pack, much like the Inn of the Forsaken and Halls of Night instances. There's nothing wrong with that decision, it just seems strange to hide it behind mysterious "technical reasons" that never seemed to apply in the past.

I gave in to the Turbine cash cow and sent them 70$ *hides in shame, while in new cosmetic suit*

Originally Posted by Fredelas

There's nothing wrong with that decision, it just seems strange to hide it behind mysterious "technical reasons" that never seemed to apply in the past.

Oh, I don't know, seems obvious to me simply by looking at history: MOM, SOM and ROI all had content pre-hyped as being part of the package, delayed due to Turbine's inability to actually deliver on that.

Only difference this time is they're not trying to play the same trick .. well, except by duping many pre-orderers by *cough* accidentally *cough* announcing the instances WOULD be part of the initial release due to an *cough* accidental *cough* failure to update ad. copy from ROI.

Firstly: Thank you Turbine for listening - whether they're making changes purely because of profit or they actually care for the players, at least they're listening and attempting to make make things fairer

Secondly: As a relatively new player, this does not make good impression - and it won't be forgotten. I won't be able to help being wary in the future.

Thirdly: I still feel it's unfair to make people choose between the quest packs and extra gameplay etc - at least the turbie ponts should help

Fourthly: I still feel it is very unfair that the use of mounted combat is going to be so limited to Rohan (and presumably future additions). If your a lower level player this makes the mounted combat almost entirely unusable, and means it will still take a long time to work through the various areas where this feature could be sooooo helpful. PLEASE consider making this feature more widely usable - otherwise a lot of lower level players are paying for something they can't use for a long time and that's virtually like not having it at all. This makes this feature still feel like a bit of a con. Even if you don't do so immediately please make mounted combat more widely available in the near future.

As it is, I intend to preorder the legendary, but as I've said - I am still very wary and unhappy - this seems more of a compromise than a solution.

Originally Posted by GallifreyanWitch

Firstly: Thank you Turbine for listening - whether they're making changes purely because of profit or they actually care for the players, at least they're listening and attempting to make make things fairer

Secondly: As a relatively new player, this does not make good impression - and it won't be forgotten. I won't be able to help being wary in the future.

Thirdly: I still feel it's unfair to make people choose between the quest packs and extra gameplay etc - at least the turbie ponts should help

Fourthly: I still feel it is very unfair that the use of mounted combat is going to be so limited to Rohan (and presumably future additions). If your a lower level player this makes the mounted combat almost entirely unusable, and means it will still take a long time to work through the various areas where this feature could be sooooo helpful. PLEASE consider making this feature more widely usable - otherwise a lot of lower level players are paying for something they can't use for a long time and that's virtually like not having it at all. This makes this feature still feel like a bit of a con. Even if you don't do so immediately please make mounted combat more widely available in the near future.

As it is, I intend to preorder the legendary, but as I've said - I am still very wary and unhappy - this seems more of a compromise than a solution.

Well first of all "as a lower level player" you have the ability to level up, making mounted combat Available from level 1-85 would require game changes to the entire game. This would take turbine another 5 years to complete, so think before just suggesting things like that Yes it would be nice but it’s impractical.

I am sure they have plans to use mounted combat in later expantions so dont stress to much.
If i were you i would get leveling ASAP! you dont want to miss out, also there is a nice 25% leveling stone you can use to help you.

Get cracking!!!

Originally Posted by sensyi

Well first of all "as a lower level player" you have the ability to level up, making mounted combat Available from level 1-85 would require game changes to the entire game. This would take turbine another 5 years to complete, so think before just suggesting things like that Yes it would be nice but it’s impractical.

I am sure they have plans to use mounted combat in later expantions so dont stress to much.
If i were you i would get leveling ASAP! you dont want to miss out, also there is a nice 25% leveling stone you can use to help you.

Get cracking!!!

Naturally I intend to level up: who doesn't when they're trying to improve what they can do in the game?

I'm also sure that this factor is something that would not be seen as a priority by to those who are already experienced high level players to whom it wouldn't affect; to other players however it may seem a higher priority.

But my point is that for those who buy it and are of lower levels it's going to be a long time before they can use this feature which makes it practically unusable for some of those who play this game.

As for it being in further expansions, that doesn't exactly help everyone else who either can't get those expansions or are still progressing their way through the game.

To me, the mounted combat is the main attraction of this expansion (seeing as the area and quests - which I want usable in the future - are going to be so higher level and impractical for newer players who get this expansion), so to realize that it's unusable for so long makes it virtually pointless buying any version of this expansion.

I did say that even if they can't do it now it should be something to consider for the future - i.e. future updates etc - maybe it will take 5 years (I'm not a programmer - I'm a player - How am I supposed to know?) but at least if they consider this aspect there's more of a chance it being present in the future. Anyway, now they've worked out how to do mounted combat it would probably take less time to apply than to develop i the first place.

As for thinking before suggesting; I thought in order to suggest.

Point is that without the mounted combat accessible at other areas/levels, what this expansion offers is useless or of limited use to other players, making it virtually pointless to buy unless your a higher level or quickly progressing player. This means less of a market for the expansion as well as some disheartend customers who may feel ripped off - myself included.

Mounted combat requires no purchases.

Originally Posted by GallifreyanWitch

Naturally I intend to level up: who doesn't when they're trying to improve what they can do in the game?

I'm also sure that this factor is something that would not be seen as a priority by to those who are already experienced high level players to whom it wouldn't affect; to other players however it may seem a higher priority.

But my point is that for those who buy it and are of lower levels it's going to be a long time before they can use this feature which makes it practically unusable for some of those who play this game.

As for it being in further expansions, that doesn't exactly help everyone else who either can't get those expansions or are still progressing their way through the game.

To me, the mounted combat is the main attraction of this expansion (seeing as the area and quests - which I want usable in the future - are going to be so higher level and impractical for newer players who get this expansion), so to realize that it's unusable for so long makes it virtually pointless buying any version of this expansion.

I did say that even if they can't do it now it should be something to consider for the future - i.e. future updates etc - maybe it will take 5 years (I'm not a programmer - I'm a player - How am I supposed to know?) but at least if they consider this aspect there's more of a chance it being present in the future. Anyway, now they've worked out how to do mounted combat it would probably take less time to apply than to develop i the first place.

As for thinking before suggesting; I thought in order to suggest.

Point is that without the mounted combat accessible at other areas/levels, what this expansion offers is useless or of limited use to other players, making it virtually pointless to buy unless your a higher level or quickly progressing player. This means less of a market for the expansion as well as some disheartend customers who may feel ripped off - myself included.

Fair points, I would rather see all the instances being scaled up and down so all can have a go at instances that they have bought, and rewards from those instances also being scaled up, it would be so nice to do that raids we used to do for equal rewards as the latest end game rewards.

This idea might also solve your Mounted combat function issue, since you will be able to take part in a skirmish or raid at any level, so if you have bought RoR fire up a mounted skirmish and go even at level 30.
It would give the game more flexibility I see what you’re getting at, I just know they wont be making any older areas mounted areas anytime soon

Originally Posted by Fredelas

That's a very good point. Enedwaith was available in the LOTRO Store in September 2010. The Mysterious Relics deed was added three months later in January 2011. The Echoes of the Dead instances (spread across Eriador) were added six months later in March 2011. Many quest packs and even expansions have had content added long after their availability in the LOTRO Store. Most recently, new content was added to the Moria quest pack, part of the Mines of Moria expansion.

It appears that Turbine simply has no desire or incentive to include the new instance cluster with an existing quest pack, much like the Inn of the Forsaken and Halls of Night instances. There's nothing wrong with that decision, it just seems strange to hide it behind mysterious "technical reasons" that never seemed to apply in the past.

I suspect that part of it has to do with the fact that they never intended ItA, IoF and HoN to be non-rental content for VIPs.; It only seems to be an issue with expansion content because everyone has to purchase it.

The new moria expansion content was not intended to be a new expansion purchase, it was added to an existing one.

Originally Posted by GallifreyanWitch

PLEASE consider making this feature more widely usable - otherwise a lot of lower level players are paying for something they can't use for a long time and that's virtually like not having it at all..

So don't buy it till you're at a level to use it?

I agree, this is a level 75-85 zone, it's not designed for or intended to be playable by characters lower than 70 at the very earliest, so there's no point in players who only have characters below that level buying it yet, is there?

Perhaps I won't - which is a great shame because I was really excited about this expansion - mounted combat and other features are very very attractive to players of a range of levels (not simply the elite) and I would personally love to preorder a new and interesting expansion

I expect it's easy to dismiss something which may not affect you - if you had had thesame hopes and enthusiam yo might understand where I'm coming from

I must admit I find it funny that when the concerns of the higher level players are expressed they gain a lot of support and are recognized - but a single lower level player expressing the limitations they come across and how unfair that is ends up being dismissed by those they have supported on other issues.
I started off feeling excited about the pack; then upon realizing the limitations being applied to everyone became annoyed and unhappy; at the realization Turbine was listening I started regaining hope only to have it dashed by the fact other players are equally biased and disinterested in the concerns of other players - it seems a great same...

One less sale of this for turbine then...

Originally Posted by GallifreyanWitch

Firstly: Thank you Turbine for listening - whether they're making changes purely because of profit or they actually care for the players, at least they're listening and attempting to make make things fairer

Secondly: As a relatively new player, this does not make good impression - and it won't be forgotten. I won't be able to help being wary in the future.

Thirdly: I still feel it's unfair to make people choose between the quest packs and extra gameplay etc - at least the turbie ponts should help

Fourthly: I still feel it is very unfair that the use of mounted combat is going to be so limited to Rohan (and presumably future additions). If your a lower level player this makes the mounted combat almost entirely unusable, and means it will still take a long time to work through the various areas where this feature could be sooooo helpful. PLEASE consider making this feature more widely usable - otherwise a lot of lower level players are paying for something they can't use for a long time and that's virtually like not having it at all. This makes this feature still feel like a bit of a con. Even if you don't do so immediately please make mounted combat more widely available in the near future.

As it is, I intend to preorder the legendary, but as I've said - I am still very wary and unhappy - this seems more of a compromise than a solution.

Mounted combat being limited to Rohan is no different than Moria being limited to level 45+, or Mirkwood being limited to level 60+ (well, 55+ probably), or the latest raid being limited to only level 75s. Sometimes things have a level requirement, and for good reason (the reason in this case probably being that mounted combat only makes sense in Rohan, and Rohan is a level 75+ area). Generally, expansions are going to focus on new content for people who are already at the current level cap - not people who are still working their way there. Sure, there may be some new features that affect everyone (new combat system in Mirkwood, for example), but for the most part a LOTRO expansion adds new content for those at the level cap.

From a lore perspective (I never thought I'd ever write that phrase), I don't think that mounted combat makes sense in the areas that we already have. From another perspective, the areas that we already have would probably feel quite small if one were able to be on a horse the entire time. Either way, I don't expect to ever see mounted combat in the areas before Rohan.

Look at it this way: you get to save money. You have no need to buy the expansion now, and when you do get to the point where you're ready to enter Rohan, the expansion might even be on sale.

Edit: Also, what an earlier poster said: mounted combat is available to everyone, even if you don't purchase RoR. All purchasing RoR gets you is access to the Rohan quests, so you may as well save your money until you're actually at the level to access them.

to those folks who have a problem with not being able to use mounted combat before level 75 .

just think of it as a skill , after all you can't use a level 70 skill until you reach level 70 . does that mean your character is useless before 70 ? no , it just means that it gets better as it progresses in levels and gains new abilities . hey my level 27 hunter can't use a legendary bow either , does that mean he's useless ? nope .

not all things are available at all levels , it's always been that way in RPGs

and as other people have said , if you don't have level 75 chars you don't really need to buy RoR right now . unless you want the extra items , which for some people is enough reason to buy it anyway

I cant wait to get started!!

Actully That is a great point right there,yes it is a pain for new players and say players who are barely in their 20's level wise who wont get to see rohan and all the goodies that do come with it,but on the plus side of that once you are at the level when you can go there and enjoy the content it will be at a good price so its a good thing.

I do like how turbine is giving us content at a good pace,just a few months ago ROI came out and now ROR is coming,My Props to Turbine for this

Originally Posted by SexyGamerGeek

I do like how turbine is giving us content at a good pace,just a few months ago ROI came out and now ROR is coming,My Props to Turbine for this

This was originally how they wanted things back with release but I believe it became a money issue. Trying to dish out content constantly can become costly. Now with WB behind them it's easier.

I'm glad they chose to include the Rohan instances as part of the xpac. Just because we aren't getting them the second Rohan goes live, doesn't make them any less part of the xpac. And it shouldn't be an issue... as with RoI, you'll need to level up before you can even touch those instances anyway, so it won't matter if they aren't in the game right away. I think it's stupid for people to try and argue that they aren't part of the xpac just because the release is delayed. It was the same with RoI and technically those instances were considered part of the pre-ordered xpac.

Yes it was shady of Turbine to have done what they did regarding this issue. And yes they fixed it in their own interest, not ours. But we should be happy they fixed it at all. There have been other MMOs that instead of fixing the problem, they just make it worse. Turbine however FIXED the problem and ADDED more to the package! (TP) It sucks that it had to happen this way, but in the long run we got more than they originally offered.

Originally Posted by GallifreyanWitch

Point is that without the mounted combat accessible at other areas/levels, what this expansion offers is useless or of limited use to other players, making it virtually pointless to buy unless your a higher level or quickly progressing player. This means less of a market for the expansion as well as some disheartend customers who may feel ripped off - myself included.

I really don't get why you would feel 'ripped off' when different features in gameplay are being introduced in the endgame areas than you get in the start zones? That is perfectly normal for any MMORPG. The gameplay experience changes and develops as your toon/s and the story develop... that's how it works, that's one of the ways companies that write games keep their customers interested over time.

If you aren't ready for the new game areas, then you don't have to buy the expansion until you are ready. No one is forcing you. On the other hand, you could buy all expansions so far and be content knowing that you'll get there to experience the way the game changes as you level in your own sweet time, rather than rushing to be 'first on the block'. Your choice. We all levelled or are levelling toons - it's the same for all of us here.

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