Thema: A word about the Riders of Rohan Pre-Purchase packs.

As most of you know, last week we launched the Riders of Rohan pre-purchase program. While initial sales have been strong and overall response has been positive, we have been paying very close attention to feedback from our community, where some concerns have been raised.

First, many of you shared how much you appreciated the inclusion of Turbine Points as part of last year’s offers. While we believe that the Rohan packs already offer an excellent value, we’ve heard your request and are now adding bonus points into all tiers of the Pre-purchase packs!
The updated editions will now include:

• Base Edition: 1,000 Bonus Turbine Points
• Heroic Edition: 1,000 Bonus Turbine Points
• Legendary Edition: 2,000 Bonus Turbine Points

Are you one of the many players who already purchased Riders of Rohan? You get points too! Anyone who has already applied their Rohan key will see points credited directly to their account over the next few business days. You will not need to contact customer service to receive your points. They will be granted automatically.

Additionally, some players had questions about the instance cluster coming after the launch of RoR. While we are still not ready to talk about the details of the cluster we did want to confirm that we will be releasing a new instance cluster in an update after Rohan launches, and that the cluster will be free to all players who have purchased the Riders of Rohan expansion.
Thanks to everyone for your candid feedback about the pre-purchase offers and the Rohan expansion. At Turbine we have always made it a point to listen closely to our players and adjust when necessary to provide the best possible entertainment experience.

Note: There are a large number of accounts that will be receiving a points credit as part of this change. Please allow 3-5 business days for your points to arrive.

This is very welcome, it's a good thing to see you care about your community

Ad now I'll preorder. Thanks! Now about that fellowship wide desperate flight... Lol

Hey, thanks.

This is really incredibly good news! Thanks Turbine for doing right by your customers! And thanks Sapience and Celestrata for putting up with all the frustration over this one! You guys bear the brunt of it but you are doing a great job

Are these new bundles live? Are you going to get to updating the advertised L75 cloak images with the L20 bundles?

Edit: Cache issue.
Looks much better.

Zitat von Sapience

As most of you know, last week we launched the Riders of Rohan pre-purchase program. While initial sales have been strong and overall response has been positive, we have been paying very close attention to feedback from our community, where some concerns have been raised.

First, many of you shared how much you appreciated the inclusion of Turbine Points as part of last year’s offers. While we believe that the Rohan packs already offer an excellent value, we’ve heard your request and are now adding bonus points into all tiers of the Pre-purchase packs!
The updated editions will now include:

• Base Edition: 1,000 Bonus Turbine Points
• Heroic Edition: 1,000 Bonus Turbine Points
• Legendary Edition: 2,000 Bonus Turbine Points

Are you one of the many players who already purchased Riders of Rohan? You get points too! Anyone who has already applied their Rohan key will see points credited directly to their account over the next few business days. You will not need to contact customer service to receive your points. They will be granted automatically.

Additionally, some players had questions about the instance cluster coming after the launch of RoR. While we are still not ready to talk about the details of the cluster we did want to confirm that we will be releasing a new instance cluster in an update after Rohan launches, and that the cluster will be free to all players who have purchased the Riders of Rohan expansion.
Thanks to everyone for your candid feedback about the pre-purchase offers and the Rohan expansion. At Turbine we have always made it a point to listen closely to our players and adjust when necessary to provide the best possible entertainment experience.

Note: There are a large number of accounts that will be receiving a points credit as part of this change. Please allow 3-5 business days for your points to arrive.

This may be a case of "Too little, too late" for many, but it is an improvement. I personally still don't see RoR - even with the changes you describe above - as being a good value when compared to other expansions coming onto the market this year, but I applaud Turbine for listening to their players and making a solid effort to fix things.

Thank you for listening and responding to your customers! It may have been a mistake to begin with, but you listened and responded and that means a lot to the community!

YAY Pre-ordering now.

See, there we go. No point difference between basic and heroic is fine, too, since the Heroic is now the clear choice for people who don't already have the quest packs it comes with and getting those for an extra $10 is a good deal.

Deciding to give the instance cluster to everyone who purchased the expansion will go miles and miles in terms of pleasing people who were rightly upset about the cluster not being included in the expansion's purchase price.

That said, I'm still not ordering this thing because I still don't know if I get the instance cluster for free as a VIP if I decide to spend some TP on the expansion content.

Edit: just realized after I submitted - if people who purchase the expansion are now getting the instance cluster, does that include people who opt to buy the "expansion content" (really strange wording there, as it's neither an expansion nor a quest pack) with TP? Or will that be a separate TP cost for the cluster?

Looks like new quest pack, called Riders of Rohan is not selling to well.

Zitat von Ritenn

Looks like new quest pack, called Riders of Rohan is not selling to well.

1. Go troll somewhere else like the WoW forums.

2. Very good job Turbine. You saw the uproar and responded well. Double thumbs us!!

Thank you. It was a good idea.

..and you will learn from your mistakes, for now

Thank you!
This is welcome news indeed.

Now to decide which version I want.

Some good news at last. Now you only need to add some group content to the game and this could be an expansion instead of a bluff.

Good news.

Thanks Tubrine,

now all is fine again, and I hope to see you at Gamescom Cologne 2012 and enjoy the Riders of Rohan!

Y'all seriously could have saved yourselves a whole lot of whining, moaning, teeth-gnashing and bad press if you'd just waited to announce the expansion details until you were fully-prepared.

With that said, thank you.

Thank you very much!!

Hurray! Thank you for listening, thank you for answering and thank you for adjusting the offer! For me (I don't know about other old grumps because there's always those that are much grumpier than me. though I doubt older), but for me this really sets the record straight and my confidence in Turbine has been restored.

Thank you Turbine. A little confirmation goes a long way. With confirmation of the instance cluster and additional Turbine Points, I'll likely be making my purchase next week.

Great news! Thank you for listening.

Zitat von Sapience

Additionally, some players had questions about the instance cluster coming after the launch of RoR. While we are still not ready to talk about the details of the cluster we did want to confirm that we will be releasing a new instance cluster in an update after Rohan launches, and that the cluster will be free to all players who have purchased the Riders of Rohan expansion.

This raises one last question: Since the cluster is still considered part of a later update and not RoR, do VIP players who do NOT pre-purchase RoR also get it free?

Zitat von Ayrolen

Y'all seriously could have saved yourselves a whole lot of whining, moaning, teeth-gnashing and bad press if you'd just waited to announce the expansion details until you were fully-prepared.

With that said, thank you.

And THIS. After five years (THIRTEEN years counting AC), it's shocking that you couldn't have anticipated this beforehand.

Time to pre-order! Finally some good news!!

Great news!!

Pre-order time, yay

Good job, Turbine. There's one thing I respect a lot and this is being able to rectify a mistake. The added TP and the inclusion of the instance cluster as part of the expansion purchase will go a long way to appeasing upset players.

To Rohan!

-Bel

Even with TP and IC RoR is overpriced for many players (legendary ed.), but you this time made little step in good direction. I buy at sale (if).

Zitat von gildhur

Great news! Thank you for listening.
This raises one last question: Since the cluster is still considered part of a later update and not RoR, do VIP players who do NOT pre-purchase RoR also get it free?

As with Isengard, the cluster is included with the expansion, though it will ship in a later update. It will not be free if you do not purchase the Rohan expansion.

Great news, thanks so much for being on the front lines for all this!

*Runs off to pre-order*

Thank you, Turbine, for including the instance cluster in the expansion. I am seriously considering pre-ordering the base version now!

Zitat von Ayrolen

Y'all seriously could have saved yourselves a whole lot of whining, moaning, teeth-gnashing and bad press if you'd just waited to announce the expansion details until you were fully-prepared.

With that said, thank you.

Agreed. Maybe releasing the details first, then allowing several days for FAQs and feedback before opening pre-orders would be the way to go in the future.

This is excellent news, Sapience. I think this will go a long way in showing the players that Turbine cares and that it listens to the community. I've already purchased my expansion, so I can't wait to see those TP's rolling in. Thank you!

Excellent news was really disappointed no Turbine points were given at first but it's fixed now. Thanks Turbine!

I'm impressed! Quick action, & a very agreeable outcome. Thanks.

Well it looks like turbine does care when tons of forums are devoted to the dissapointment originally brought on by RoR. Now at least I have a reason to pre order, and I will say thank you for listening turbine.

First off: Thank you, Sapience, for responding to these player concerns.

Zitat von Sapience

While we are still not ready to talk about the details of the cluster we did want to confirm that we will be releasing a new instance cluster in an update after Rohan launches, and that the cluster will be free to all players who have purchased the Riders of Rohan expansion.

Zitat von Gylve

Edit: just realized after I submitted - if people who purchase the expansion are now getting the instance cluster, does that include people who opt to buy the "expansion content" (really strange wording there, as it's neither an expansion nor a quest pack) with TP? Or will that be a separate TP cost for the cluster?

This is my question, too. From what they've said so far, I'm under the impression that the announced in-game store "expansion content" item will be solely the questpack, and that the instance cluster will appear as a separate in-game store purchase. If that's the case, I'd expect to see an "expansion bundle" in the store that bundles these items. I can live without specific details on pricing, but I would like to see some official confirmation that my impression is accurate (or false, if that's the case).

Thanks.

Thanks so much for listening to the community. Big thumbs up!
Now just do us one favour...promise not to repeat the same mistake when the next expansion comes along, I think we'll all be much happier that way.

Zitat von Ayrolen

Y'all seriously could have saved yourselves a whole lot of whining, moaning, teeth-gnashing and bad press if you'd just waited to announce the expansion details until you were fully-prepared.

With that said, thank you.

My guess? They were trying something new, to see if it would fly. Not only didn't it fly, it crash-landed rather harshly. The player base offered up their thoughts about it, Turbine allowed those conversations to proceed, even the heated ones, and the result is that they re-thought their decisions. All speculation of course, but that's my feeling.

But they did have a change of heart, which is all we can really ask for, yes? So indeed, many thanks to Turbine for listening to the players.

Zitat von Sapience

As with Isengard, the cluster is included with the expansion, though it will ship in a later update. It will not be free if you do not purchase the Rohan expansion.

Thank you for clarifying that it actually is considered part of the expansion now (it explicitly was not before). Your OP didn't make that clear.

Zitat von Sapience

While initial sales have been strong and overall response has been positive, we have been paying very close attention to feedback from our community, where some concerns have been raised.

First, many of you shared how much you appreciated the inclusion of Turbine Points as part of last year’s offers. While we believe that the Rohan packs already offer an excellent value, we’ve heard your request and are now adding bonus points into all tiers of the Pre-purchase packs!

While I appreciate Turbine realizing, and correcting their mistake I can't help but wonder why the change. I think that sales haven't been that great and the community was in an uproar. As a founder, and someone who has pre-ordered every other expansion etc, I couldn't bring myself to do it here. Why? Because RoR did not look like a value - especially at $70.

Even though I read this as PR spin, I still give Turbine kudos for actually making a change in the right direction.