Thread: family history....

Hmmm..... Read the Silmarillion not too long ago, and if I'm not mistaken, then Aragorn and Arwen are distant relatives?!
Correct me if I'm wrong, as I am not great with these things, but:
Elros (Elronds brother) was the first king of Numenor, and through many many decedants you reach Aragorn, heir of Isildur, heir of Elendil and so on.....
Then you have Elrond (the brother of Elros) and his daughter is Arwen, who Aragorn marries...
I sincerely hope I have this wrong

Originally Posted by Geindir

Hmmm..... Read the Silmarillion not too long ago, and if I'm not mistaken, then Aragorn and Arwen are distant relatives?!

Very very distant, with some thousands of years between them.

Yes, Aragorn is the heir of Elrond's brother Elros, but a great number of generations later.

It goes like this:

Finwë (King of Noldor)
-> Fingolfin
-> Turgon
-> Idril (+Tuor, a human)
-> Eärendil (+Elwing. Eärendil became a bearer of Silmaril, sailing as a star in the sky as the Elves know it.)
-> Brothers Elrond and Elros

Elu Thingol (Elwë, King of Sindar +Melian Maia)
-> Lúthien (+Beren, a human)
-> Dior
-> Elwing (+Eärendil)
-> Brothers Elrond and Elros

Elrond Peredhel (chose to be doomed among Elves)
-> Arwen Undómiel

Elros Tar-Minyatyr (chose to be doomed among Men)
-> Vardamir
-> Tar-Amandil
-> Tar-Elendil
-> Silmariën
-> Valandil
-> Eärendur
-> Númendil
-> Amandil
-> Elendil
-> Isildur
-> Valandir
-> Eldacar
-> Arantar
-> Tarcil
-> Tarondor
-> Valandur
-> Elendur
-> Eärendur
-> Amlaith
-> Beleg
-> Mallor
-> Celebharn
-> Celebrindor
-> Malvegil
-> Argeleb I
-> Arveleg I
-> Araphor
-> Argeleb II
-> Arvegil
-> Arveleg II
-> Araval
-> Araphant
-> Arvedui
-> Aranarth
-> Arahael
-> Aranuir
-> Aravir
-> Aragorn I
-> Araglas
-> Arahad I
-> Aragost
-> Aravorn
-> Arahad II
-> Arassuil
-> Arathorn I
-> Argonui
-> Arador
-> Arathorn II
-> + 14 unnamed ancestors along the way
-> Aragorn II

Arwen falls one generation from the brothers, Aragorn 62. The Eldar do not marry someone who's a close relative - unless they're relatives far in generations. I guess Arwen and Aragorn are such example.

oh thank you for posting the list of kings, beat me to it

yes so this makes Aragorn II Arwen's cousin many many many times removed and Ages between. Elros and Elrond were born late in the first age. Arwen Early in the third age, and Aragorn late in the third age.

All of those aren't ruling kings. Most of the list are simply the bloodline where Aragorn comes from. Some of the ruling kings from that bloodline did fall for Shadow, which lead to Númenor's destruction, but which Aragorn's ancestors aren't directly part of.

When there's as much as 61 generations in between, I don't think it's as much of a problem that they're very distant cousins. Genetically speaking they wouldn't be much different than non cousins. It's more of a "special case".

Actually I read somewhere that the marriage of Aragorn and Arwen was to save the King's Blood line also so yeah mixing families was a good thing! in this case.

Originally Posted by Al.

Actually I read somewhere that the marriage of Aragorn and Arwen was to save the King's Blood line also so yeah mixing families was a good thing! in this case.

Also true. Their children were told to be the Dúnedain recovered. Some of the kings of Númenor did marry people somewhat related to them, so their children could keep the special qualities of the race such as longer life span.

I always found it amazing that King Eldarion is a descendant

>Of the Noldor
>Of the House of Finwe
-Of the House of Fingolfin
-Of the House of Finarfin

>Of the Vanyar
>Of Ingwe, High King of the Eldar

>Of the Teleri
>Of Elu Thingol
-Of Luthien (The Line which will never perish)

>Of the House of Beor

>Of the House of Haleth

>Of the House of Marach

>Of thePeredhel (Half-Elven)
>Of Elros
>Of Elendil
>Of Isildur
-Of the Kings of Arnor
-Of the Kings of Arthedain

And more
(The list is not that ordered or complete, just made it as I typed)

There's a bit too much royalty in his blood

Originally Posted by Geindir

Hmmm..... Read the Silmarillion not too long ago, and if I'm not mistaken, then Aragorn and Arwen are distant relatives?!
Correct me if I'm wrong, as I am not great with these things, but:
Elros (Elronds brother) was the first king of Numenor, and through many many decedants you reach Aragorn, heir of Isildur, heir of Elendil and so on.....
Then you have Elrond (the brother of Elros) and his daughter is Arwen, who Aragorn marries...
I sincerely hope I have this wrong

The key word here is distant very distant in fact, 60+ generations distant. This is the second thread I've read today where someone appears to be getting offended by something only they can see.

and don't forget he is of Maiar descent also.

Originally Posted by Haunt123

>Of the Vanyar
>Of Ingwe, High King of the Eldar

Not in direct line. Indis is Ingwë's sister (not daughter), and he's related to her through Finarfin, Galadriel, Celebrían and Arwen.

But yeah, it's pretty amazing how much noble blood is in him.

...But no pressure. Ya know.

Originally Posted by Aelfwulf

The key word here is distant very distant in fact, 60+ generations distant. This is the second thread I've read today where someone appears to be getting offended by something only they can see.

I wasn't so much offended as.... curious. I realise though that my original post makes it appear that way. Many sincere apologies

I like thinking about Eldarion, Aragorn's son, who also has another link to the blood of the Noldor and to the Sindar through Celebrian. Now THAT's royalty.

Then allow me to outrage you, the two headed bleeders are lurking in the Sindar line. Celbrian, grandaughter of Galdhon married Elrond the great great grandson of Galdhon. Elronds grandfather Dior was the great grandson of the father of Elwe and Elmo, and his grandmother, Nimloth was the great great grandaughter of the same elf. Celebrian was also the great great grandaughter of the father of Elwe and Elmo, perhaps Elladan and Elrohir were conjoined twins?.

Originally Posted by Morthaur

Then allow me to outrage you, the two headed bleeders are lurking in the Sindar line. Celbrian, grandaughter of Galdhon married Elrond the great great grandson of Galdhon. Elronds grandfather Dior was the great grandson of the father of Elwe and Elmo, and his grandmother, Nimloth was the great great grandaughter of the same elf. Celebrian was also the great great grandaughter of the father of Elwe and Elmo, perhaps Elladan and Elrohir were conjoined twins?.

what? o.O?

It goes:Thingol-->Luthien-->Dior-->Elwing-->Elrond-->Arwen
Elmo-->Galadhon-->Son-->Celeborn-->Celebrian-->Arwen

and yes twins seem to run in the blood if Elrond and Elros were twins. I don't think Tolkien ever said twins it was always brothers. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong I don't have all the HoME.

Celeborn is the son of Galadhon, Nimloth is Celeborns niece.