Thread: LI Tanking Relics - Partial B/P/E Mitigation worth it?

I searched the forums and found only one post mentioning these relics. I would really appreciate hearing what you great warden tanks out there think 3 relic matchups:

Runes:
Great River Rune of Courage- +10% Partial Evade and Parry Mitigation, +26 Agility, +584 Parry Rating
vs.
The Mysterious Rune of Mending- +1088 Incoming Healing Rating, +544 Block


Gems:
Great River Gem of Faith- +10% Partial Block and Parry Mitigation, 584 Block, 26 Might
vs.
True Gem of the King Under the Mountain - 25Vit, +260 Block, +260 Parry, +260 Evade, +126 ICMR
vs.
Great River Gem of Hope- +191 Critical Defense, 283 Maximum Morale, 263 Max Power

Settings:
True Setting of Continuance- 250 Maximum Morale, 125 ICPR, 1300 Incoming Healing Rating
vs
Extraordinary Setting of Stability- -5% Item Wear Chance on Hit, +260 Block, +260 Parry, +260 Evade, +1300 Incoming Healing Rating

Originally Posted by RedHairyToes

I searched the forums and found only one post mentioning these relics. I would really appreciate hearing what you great warden tanks out there think 3 relic matchups:

Runes:
Great River Rune of Courage- +10% Partial Evade and Parry Mitigation, +26 Agility, +584 Parry Rating
vs.
The Mysterious Rune of Mending- +1088 Incoming Healing Rating, +544 Block


Gems:
Great River Gem of Faith- +10% Partial Block and Parry Mitigation, 584 Block, 26 Might
vs.
True Gem of the King Under the Mountain - 25Vit, +260 Block, +260 Parry, +260 Evade, +126 ICMR
vs.
Great River Gem of Hope- +191 Critical Defense, 283 Maximum Morale, 263 Max Power

Settings:
True Setting of Continuance- 250 Maximum Morale, 125 ICPR, 1300 Incoming Healing Rating
vs
Extraordinary Setting of Stability- -5% Item Wear Chance on Hit, +260 Block, +260 Parry, +260 Evade, +1300 Incoming Healing Rating

To be honest I dont think anyone could tell you which one to pick out of all of those. It completely depends on your overall build (How much Vit, Might, B/P/E, Inc. Heals you already have). All of them are good tanking choices and you have to see what is required to round off your build.

However, i could tell you what I prioritize in my relics and why:

Partial Mitigation -> Inc. Healing -> B/P/E -> Vit -> Morale -> ICMR -> ICPR

The first two are mostly only available in relics so invest where you can get them. b/p/e is what Warden is designed for so it would make sense to boost it. Vit is great but readily available everywhere. Morale, ICMR and ICPR simply aren't worth it imho. I run 16.5K unbuffed (20K+ in raids) with about 2K power and I seem to be doing fine. My b/p/e is 25/22/22 ish with self buffs and tactical and physical mitigations capped with buffs. I never run out of power and with self heals, healers and captains around I dont find ICMR that important any more.

Finally, don't think that you have to have identical relics on on both tanking weapons. You can, for example, go with 1 of each of those settings.

P.S

If you go for Partials on your relics get the level 65 ones. They are much cheaper to make (t6 relics and much much less shards) and they give you the same amount of mitigation. You lose very little might and block for a saving of about 2K shards per relic.

Depends on the fight too. If you're afraid of big crits (I am), you want as much crit defence and morale as possible. Getting more BPE is key for survival though, so you need to balance it.

Originally Posted by RedHairyToes

I searched the forums and found only one post mentioning these relics. I would really appreciate hearing what you great warden tanks out there think 3 relic matchups:

Runes:
Great River Rune of Courage- +10% Partial Evade and Parry Mitigation, +26 Agility, +584 Parry Rating
vs.
The Mysterious Rune of Mending- +1088 Incoming Healing Rating, +544 Block


Gems:
Great River Gem of Faith- +10% Partial Block and Parry Mitigation, 584 Block, 26 Might
vs.
True Gem of the King Under the Mountain - 25Vit, +260 Block, +260 Parry, +260 Evade, +126 ICMR
vs.
Great River Gem of Hope- +191 Critical Defense, 283 Maximum Morale, 263 Max Power

Settings:
True Setting of Continuance- 250 Maximum Morale, 125 ICPR, 1300 Incoming Healing Rating
vs
Extraordinary Setting of Stability- -5% Item Wear Chance on Hit, +260 Block, +260 Parry, +260 Evade, +1300 Incoming Healing Rating

I used to have:
True Setting of Continuance- 250 Maximum Morale, 125 ICPR, 1300 Incoming Healing Rating
Great River Gem of Hope- +191 Critical Defense, 283 Maximum Morale, 263 Max Power
True rune of the two trees - 180 morale 160 power (i think) + icpr & icmr

Did did however replace them a few month ago for:
Extraordinary Setting of Stability- -5% Item Wear Chance on Hit, +260 Block, +260 Parry, +260 Evade, +1300 Incoming Healing Rating
Great River Gem of Faith- +10% Partial Block and Parry Mitigation, 584 Block, 26 Might
Great River Rune of Courage- +10% Partial Evade and Parry Mitigation, +26 Agility, +584 Parry Rating

And there is quite a big difference. Capping block and partial block isn't any problem, and it isn't that big difference in the mitigation, but where this setup really shines is with cappy-parry buff + WoS + our own +6% partial buff up. having 75% partial parry mitigation is really nice when your partial parry chance gets high enough.

Personally, i think it's worth the loss of ~1400 morale and a tiny bit of crit defence to get 1688 block & parry, 520 evade + the added bpe from the Might and Agility, and ofcourse partial mitigations on top of that. (Any ICPR/ICMR on relics is so small it is insignificant while running in determination)

Thanks for the replies! I am going to try the mitigations. I also found this post that beautifully describes stat caps:
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...on-and-Offence.

The only I still would like to know is how valuable crit defense is.

Originally Posted by RedHairyToes

The only I still would like to know is how valuable crit defense is.

Personally, i don't find it very valuable any more, now that we get crit immunity after getting critted, and during that time, just pop off a few selfheals and whatever difference the crit did will be gone.

oh interesting we get temporary crit immunity after we get crit aye? didn't know that.

Definitely worth it. I would advise every warden to run with these relics.

Keep in mind that, since partials cannot be crits, more BPE+part.BPE effectively gives crit defense.

Are you sure about that? I've taken some insane partial hits, I had a partial parry that did at least 8k.

Yes i never saw crti partial.. but
Partials cannot be crit?
or
Crit cannot be partial avoided?

Also if u use partial mitigation relic that is reducing the damage i have tried it, but on t2 nowadays not the constant damage is the problem, problem is the so called damage spikes, one shooting crits

Also never use anithing other then unusual rune of emboldening to the rune slot (ofc only if u have no old relics like elrahad... ahhh i musthave those :/ )

Originally Posted by Leri927

Also never use anithing other then unusual rune of emboldening to the rune slot (ofc only if u have no old relics like elrahad... ahhh i musthave those :/ )

Lol I love statements like that. God's truth.

Care to explain what is so good about 1.1k inc. heals and 500 block, both of which are easy to get elsewhere compared to improved partials which is harder to come by?

Or even the old t9 relics? I deconnd most of mine because you can get better stuff these days. I kept 1 t9 gem for some balance but other than that raw morale is over rated. Back-to-back crit immunity ftw. icpr? Plz......

So will u replace it whit what?^^

true rune of two trees with morale you think worth it?
or partial evade and parry mitigation rune? (i think this not worth it coz we have a lot lesser partial evade and parry than block)

from where could you collect back those ~2,5K inc healing rating? (if not using old relics)

this was not god like sttement. I am waiting for better option

Originally Posted by RedHairyToes

I searched the forums and found only one post mentioning these relics. I would really appreciate hearing what you great warden tanks out there think 3 relic matchups: Healing Rating

I use Setting of Continuance, Gem of Hope, and the rune with 180 morale on it. My goal is to keep morale high without losing too much incoming health. I need 2 more pieces of ToO (darn seals!) and I will be at 25% + 5% man bonus, while hitting ~18.3k health. Not bad for an alt.

Originally Posted by bacho

Keep in mind that, since partials cannot be crits, more BPE+part.BPE effectively gives crit defense.

I believe you can only bpe/partial non crit/dev attacks, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Leri927

So will u replace it whit what?^^

true rune of two trees with morale you think worth it?
or partial evade and parry mitigation rune? (i think this not worth it coz we have a lot lesser partial evade and parry than block)

from where could you collect back those ~2,5K inc healing rating? (if not using old relics)

this was not god like sttement. I am waiting for better option

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...07#post6230207

with these clearly

that's unbuffed and only in Determination stance. 17K morale, 25% inc heals. seems enough for my needs so i'd rather improve my partials. seeing as relics is the only place I can do that whereas I can get vit and morale easily elsewhere.

U are a man so your inc heal isnt capped :P your cap is 30% so go for that!

and ofc not every warden can have pvmp shield (r8?) that isnt less rare than old t9 relics

Yes I could scrounge around for some more inc heals but I don't find it necessary. I still think that BPE and partial BPE are where we should be investing these days. I would rather BPE or Partial 1 more big hit in a long fight than get healed for 50 morale more per 1000 healed in the fight

1000 * 1.25 = 1250
1000 * 1.30 = 1300

when it comes to 5% more incoming heals or better bpe / partials im going with avoidance these days. seems that's where Orion wants us to go with the new self-buffs we got.

Regarding r8 shield its not that great. I would probably go with the Fangorn's Edge shield if I had it / could be bothered to farm for it.

Saying all that, I am not claiming there is a right or a wrong way to do things. I dont think there ever was with Warden. Heck I remember Wardens that stacked Fate like it was going out of fashion back in the lvl 60 days and they did a good job as well. This is simply the route im taking and I find works for me for the content that I am dealing with.

Originally Posted by Ravenstride

Yes I could scrounge around for some more inc heals but I don't find it necessary. I still think that BPE and partial BPE are where we should be investing these days. I would rather BPE or Partial 1 more big hit in a long fight than get healed for 50 morale more per 1000 healed in the fight

1000 * 1.25 = 1250
1000 * 1.30 = 1300

when it comes to 5% more incoming heals or better bpe / partials im going with avoidance these days. seems that's where Orion wants us to go with the new self-buffs we got.

Regarding r8 shield its not that great. I would probably go with the Fangorn's Edge shield if I had it / could be bothered to farm for it.

Saying all that, I am not claiming there is a right or a wrong way to do things. I dont think there ever was with Warden. Heck I remember Wardens that stacked Fate like it was going out of fashion back in the lvl 60 days and they did a good job as well. This is simply the route im taking and I find works for me for the content that I am dealing with.

Whats the stats on the fangorn shield? As far as I'm concerned, Rank 8 is still best shield a warden could have.

Originally Posted by Untg99

Whats the stats on the fangorn shield? As far as I'm concerned, Rank 8 is still best shield a warden could have.

Valarram:

For those of you wondering about Level 75 Warden's Shield options take a look here.

There are several decent options all of which could complement your build. Once again I don't think that there is an absolute best (though I agree the R8 shield is very good). I also use:



on occasion.

Originally Posted by Ravenstride

For those of you wondering about Level 75 Warden's Shield options take a look here.

The Shield list is missing the SkirmRaid drop - Shield of the Shattered Manacles again a nice Shield that is 'more easily obtainable' than the Moor's or ToO ones and drops more often than the FE T2 Valarram Shield . Previous thread on Shields here - Post 11 Has images

Originally Posted by Aidlywo

The Shield list is missing the SkirmRaid drop - Shield of the Shattered Manacles again a nice Shield that is 'more easily obtainable' than the Moor's or ToO ones and drops more often than the FE T2 Valarram Shield . Previous thread on Shields here - Post 11 Has images

That's odd. I just asked for all level 75 Warden Shields.

Quite right. Shattered Manacles is not a bad choices for such a readily available drop.

Hey Ravenstride, I see you chose an Emerald of the Verdant glen over another Extrordinary Gem of Faith. Could you explain? Also where does the Emerald of the Verdant Glen come from I don't see it in my melding options.

If I remember Emerald of the Verdant Glen is an old T9 Relic - unobtainable now

Emerald of the Verdant Glen is an old relic that cannot be made anymore. It's from when Mines of Moria was the newest expansion.