Thema: Mins/wardens too strong in the moors

Dear Devs,

Please nerf minis
Please nerf wardens
please add a point to the delving
please give better survivability to defilers/WL - (in a proportional manner to freepside)
please give something to hunters to stop their whinning - (poke! group df...LOL)

Looking forward to RoR, have pre-orded, and cant wait to see the Mounted Combat.

PS. Swing that nerf bat!!

Zitat von jadacakai

Dear Devs,

Please nerf freep self heals
please add a point to the delving
please program the ability to deal damage into the creep heal/support class
please make hunters less squishy but deal less damage

ftfy

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dont get me wrong but i hate such threads and this one is not an exception

Idv suggest to buff up creeps and dont nerf freeps

Zitat von Tangaar

dont get me wrong but i hate such threads and this one is not an exception

Idv suggest to buff up creeps and dont nerf freeps

Self heals need a moors nerf dude. There's some thing that no buff will prove to counter balance until a massive game update (like an expansion).

I think you should leave wardens alone. They're supposed to be godmoders, but make a class equivalent to warden on creepside. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. Be like a freakin half hour fight. But do I seriously need to raid up to kill those two minis that are running around?

mini tactic get 2 ba's in keen eye pound him until out of range then switch to skirmish stance and kill it or get a defiler drain minis power and voila there death.
warden same thing just dont get into melee range.

Zitat von Drakojan

I think you should leave wardens alone. They're supposed to be godmoders, but make a class equivalent to warden on creepside. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. Be like a freakin half hour fight. But do I seriously need to raid up to kill those two minis that are running around?

Must be trolling.

have preordered ROR

Not gonna lie, I lol'd

Zitat von Untg99

Self heals need a moors nerf dude. There's some thing that no buff will prove to counter balance until a massive game update (like an expansion).

tbh yes thats a good thought like all of us know.But imagine if creep classes could do the same or atleast the 70-80% freeps do.Then minis would be toast.I would prefer that

Honestly, I don't see the point in another one of these threads. There are already a dozen of them here on the forums. We know that they are OP, Turbine knows they are OP, making another one of these threads does not make a difference.

Zitat von Drakojan

I think you should leave wardens alone. They're supposed to be godmoders, but make a class equivalent to warden on creepside. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. Be like a freakin half hour fight. But do I seriously need to raid up to kill those two minis that are running around?

my flayer warg cant be killed bye a warden and i can nom most minis in shadow..or run those minis out of power in flayer..ps to the dude who says WLs need more toughness realy??

Zitat von Tangaar

tbh yes thats a good thought like all of us know.But imagine if creep classes could do the same or atleast the 70-80% freeps do.Then minis would be toast.I would prefer that

The only thing to balance it out would be to add incoming healing debuffs to every creep classes basic attacks.

Good idea, but what happens when they go to balance things to the earliest RoR patch? Creeps will just be in the same spot again an update later.

Zitat von jadacakai

Dear Devs,

Please nerf minis
Please nerf wardens
please add a point to the delving
please give better survivability to defilers/WL - (in a proportional manner to freepside)
please give something to hunters to stop their whinning - (poke! group df...LOL)

Looking forward to RoR, have pre-orded, and cant wait to see the Mounted Combat.

PS. Swing that nerf bat!!

Turbine will change nothing except lvl creeps to 85 done and done.

pre-ordered ror? I lol'd

The only thing you'll see in RoR are more and more freeps playing like this...


-Itty

Zitat von haroldhnicholos

my flayer warg cant be killed bye a warden and i can nom most minis in shadow..or run those minis out of power in flayer..ps to the dude who says WLs need more toughness realy??

I would love to fight your flayer warg and show you how easy they are to put down. Best warg fights I have had have been against shadow.

Zitat von Sulfur

Zitat von jadacakai

...Looking forward to RoR, have pre-orded...

Not gonna lie, I lol'd

^ What he said

Zitat von Tangaar

dont get me wrong but i hate such threads and this one is not an exception

Idv suggest to buff up creeps and dont nerf freeps

Ra'men.

Don't get me wrong. Wardens are little monsters in their own right, but the key to balance has always been the balance Freeps to PvE in the main world, and balance Creeps to the Freeps in the Moors. Wardens are tough for Reavers or Wargs to deal with because they're melee classes where Wardens shine. But a couple of BA's can pin cushion a Warden from out of range of their AoE Vampire Self-Heals.

No nerf needed. Just a change in tactics.

Zitat von haroldhnicholos

my flayer warg cant be killed bye a warden and i can nom most minis in shadow..or run those minis out of power in flayer..ps to the dude who says WLs need more toughness realy??

You must be fighting some awful Wardens. Flayer is arguably worse than Shadow for fighting them.

Zitat von jadacakai

Dear Devs,

Please nerf minis
Please nerf wardens
please add a point to the delving
please give better survivability to defilers/WL - (in a proportional manner to freepside)
please give something to hunters to stop their whinning - (poke! group df...LOL)

Looking forward to RoR, have pre-orded, and cant wait to see the Mounted Combat.

PS. Swing that nerf bat!!

You fool... you just wasted your money

Zitat von MaroonDragoon

Must be trolling.

You genius, you.

Zitat von haroldhnicholos

my flayer warg cant be killed bye a warden and i can nom most minis in shadow..or run those minis out of power in flayer..ps to the dude who says WLs need more toughness realy??

LOL, this is obviously somebody who bought flayer, only plays warg, and doesnt play other classes. Doubt you're playing the same game as the rest of us, or else the 1v1's you had were agaisnt afk wardens and minis

Zitat von haroldhnicholos

my flayer warg cant be killed bye a warden and i can nom most minis in shadow..or run those minis out of power in flayer..ps to the dude who says WLs need more toughness realy??

There are a few really good wargs on my server that I can't beat or at least can't consistently beat in a proper 1v1 (no cooldown skills) but to be honest I handicap my warden in the moors. I trait red or yellow line instead of immortalmode (blue) and I don't selfheal in spars (which is why I actually get them lol). A blue traited warden can take like 5 seconds, hit two gambits (conviction and restoration), and even in recklessness stance selfheal themselves for close to 1k every few seconds for quite a long time. Yes you can reduce their incoming healing but not enough to really neutralize that. If you think you're unbeatable those wardens either suck or are similarly holding back in order to give you a sporting chance.

Wardens ARE ridiculously overpowered in the moors. The trick is they are hard to play well so you can't just faceroll them, so very few people play them to their full potential and they will never be flavor of the month. They could honestly use a nerf of a few things that are just silly (the 5 piece set bonuses on the audacity armor sets are pretty ridiculous, and I can't think of a good PvE reason to be able to use a 10 target lifetap from 40m away in my ranged stance - but being able to do it to a creep raid is hilariously overpowered). But the basic thing that makes them godmode if they trait for it comes down to them being a selfhealing tank class and that's not something that can really be balanced for pvp effectively. If warden really wants to be immortal and traits/gears for it, their dps will of course be very low but the only thing that is going to be able to take them out is pay-to-win defiler flies. I have ridiculous amounts of fun on my warden, but as I said I handicap myself by traiting dps instead of tank spec so I'm only tough to kill, not close to impossible.

Zitat von Tangaar

dont get me wrong but i hate such threads and this one is not an exception

Idv suggest to buff up creeps and dont nerf freeps

That is not the way to go because all freep classes are not op and if you buff creep classes, some freep classes will be left pretty weak.


Also, the thread starter forgot to mention CHAMPIONS. A class which is just as op as minstrels.

Zitat von Untg99

The only thing to balance it out would be to add incoming healing debuffs to every creep classes basic attacks.

Good idea, but what happens when they go to balance things to the earliest RoR patch? Creeps will just be in the same spot again an update later.

im 100%this is what they will give to creeps in RoR some skills will do that,not new ones ofc we dont want them to get tired or even bother for creeps!we will get about 5-10% power morale and what you said.

Until they nerf minstrels in the Ettenmoors or regulate their number, PvMP is dead.

Minstrels have as high dps as champions do.
Minstrels are as tough as guardians, or sometimes even tougher, to get killed.
Minstrels have more power than any other classes.
Minstrels can strike their foes from where as far as hunters can manage to do.




Kill their enemies with sounds/voices? Seriously? lol
Even Saruman cannot do that.

Zitat von Fingoras

Until they nerf minstrels in the Ettenmoors or regulate their number, PvMP is dead.

Minstrels have as high dps as champions do.
Minstrels are as tough as guardians, or sometimes even tougher, to get killed.
Minstrels have more power than any other classes.
Minstrels can strike their foes from where as far as hunters can manage to do.

This whole post is funny.

Derp.

Zitat von Gillianrial

This whole post is funny.

Derp.

Lets face it, only facerollers play minis.

Derp!