Thread: Fire rotation

I have been using lightning for a long time and now im leaning towards fire. I find myself ending up spamming MF. What is good fire rotation to maximise dps?

Spamming MF isn't a good idea. It no longer has initial dmg., so kinda pointless.

You want to tie the EoF together with MF as they respectively share cd and duration. Every 1 minute you can use Ieof and since that has a 1.5s induction and EoF has a 2s induction these need to be used together.

In order to keep up WoF you need to just look at the dot, I have not found a better way to check it. Every time it tiers down use WoF preferably with instant cast. Or in every 4th rotation, see below.

SW needs to be used every time it is off cd. If possible make sure leading up to it you have as many FR dots on it as well.

Fall to Flame (FtF) can also be tied together with every 2nd EoF.

Rest of the time FR ftw. It's about 7 times FR per 15s.

Starting up: IEoF+FR+FR+MF+MF+MF+WoF+FtF+Eo F+FR+FR+SW

After: FR+FR+EoF+MF+FR*7+WoF+EoF+MF+F tF+FR*7+IEoF+EoF+MF+SW...

Rotation: FR*7+EoF+MF
So essentially after every second rotation you need to do FtF. Every 3rd rotation you need to do SW. Every 4th rotation you need to do WoF. Every 4th rotation you need to do IEoF.
When you use FtF you loose ½ FR from the rotation.
When you use SW you loose 3-4 FR from the rotation.
When you use WoF you shouldn't loose any FR as it has no attack duration and it will go directly to the next skill in the que.
When you use IEoF you loose nothing as it shorts EoF so you gain 0,5s resulting in 1/4 of an FR.

Good luck with the best RK trait line currently available, don't trust the evil lightning troll he will only lead you to the dark side. Though technically fire is red = sith - meh, ohh well.

Originally Posted by Nokor

Spamming MF isn't a good idea. It no longer has initial dmg., so kinda pointless.

You want to tie the EoF together with MF as they respectively share cd and duration. Every 1 minute you can use Ieof and since that has a 1.5s induction and EoF has a 2s induction these need to be used together.

In order to keep up WoF you need to just look at the dot, I have not found a better way to check it. Every time it tiers down use WoF preferably with instant cast. Or in every 4th rotation, see below.

SW needs to be used every time it is off cd. If possible make sure leading up to it you have as many FR dots on it as well.

Fall to Flame (FtF) can also be tied together with every 2nd EoF.

Rest of the time FR ftw. It's about 7 times FR per 15s.

Starting up: IEoF+FR+FR+MF+MF+MF+WoF+FtF+Eo F+FR+FR+SW

After: FR+FR+EoF+MF+FR*7+WoF+EoF+MF+F tF+FR*7+IEoF+EoF+MF+SW...

Rotation: FR*7+EoF+MF
So essentially after every second rotation you need to do FtF. Every 3rd rotation you need to do SW. Every 4th rotation you need to do WoF. Every 4th rotation you need to do IEoF.
When you use FtF you loose ½ FR from the rotation.
When you use SW you loose 3-4 FR from the rotation.
When you use WoF you shouldn't loose any FR as it has no attack duration and it will go directly to the next skill in the que.
When you use IEoF you loose nothing as it shorts EoF so you gain 0,5s resulting in 1/4 of an FR.

Good luck with the best RK trait line currently available, don't trust the evil lightning troll he will only lead you to the dark side. Though technically fire is red = sith - meh, ohh well.

How much do u parse in ToO Lightning t2 hm for example with fire ? if u have measured there wich im sure u have

You may want to read the thread How To Play Fire as a Long Time Lightning RK There is some good info on that post but keep in mind there is no longer 5x inta-cast after IEoF, just 1 x skill.

Also, I don't agree with just spamming FR/MF. You will want to have a T3 WoF on mob before doing SmW. And, don't discount Scathing Mockery even on a single target boss type mob as a way for refresh WoF.

There is also some good info on the thread New Rune Keeper Questions and most questions anyone has should be listed by topic area.

I was using Scathing Mockery on bosses for a while because the tooltip made it seem like it had its own DoT component in addition to WoF. I'll have to check again but it seems like it's *only* applying WoF, making it not really worthwhile for single target fights.

If you open with IEoF, you've already got T3 WoF on the target, and with the fire set bonus you should only have to reapply WoF once every 28 secs. I like to use my insta-writs on WoC. I also have -160 Frozen Epilogue CD legacy and like to use that whenever it's up, even on bosses, as it's inductionless, hits pretty hard and puts a decent debuff on the target.

Edit: Checked last night and Scathing Mockery definitely does *not* have its own DoT; it only applies WoF. That makes it not worth using a single target (arguable on two targets, too, as it's a 2s induction and WoF itself is only a 0.8s induction...I think).

T2C (without SB cuz of agro)
Lightning: 2.4k, but grabbed agro

T2 (usually without SB)
Giants: 1,9k (have to unslot FR cuz of aoe)

T2C (without SB, not zerg)
Acid: 1,9-2k

T2C (with SB)
Shadow: 1,9k

T1
Saruman: 2k+ (all depends on how much aoe your tank can allow you to do)

a good fire rotation will involve a lot of frost skills and a lot of pressing tab to put MF on everything and Scathing Mockery everythine it is up to keep a t3 wof on your targets
think 3k-5k aoe DPS in saruman or a steady 2-4k in foundry pulls.


fire is powerful even more so when aoe is involved and you get lucky with a good guard who keeps moving and pulls lots for you.


in a boss fight just spam FR and use EF, SR, Fall to Flame and keep your t3 WoF up when ever they come off cool down or tier down.

3-5k on Saruman, sorry but that is not a number I have ever seen on a CA SS.

If you have a solo tank, maybe at a stretch 3-4k, but as soon as you have to do the rings that takes a big hit!