Thread: DPS dilemma

Hey guys, I got my hunter to 75 about 3 weeks ago and spent the last 3 weeks furiously gearing him up. I'm now with 5/6 Faron set, Limlight rep set, 28k rep 6k crit, and my parses are only hitting 1100 on single target bosses fully raid buffed.

I trait 5b 2r, have a second age bow with three crystals on it, all the best legacies such as induction/focus crit barbed bleed etc. my sword has needful haste and precision crit maxed, etc. Overall, it appears my gear is fine, but for some reason my parses are stupidly low.

My rotation is hit Barbed every 10 seconds, hit swift bow every 10 seconds, needful haste and fleetness whenever they're off CD, and of course spamming pen shot and blood arrow. I really am quite puzzled about how my dps is so freaking low!! Any ideas? I've asked other hunters on my server and had them watch me and they can't see anything i'm doing wrong either. Perhaps somebody could shed some light?

6k critical is low for an agi-based class like hunter, in my opinion. Try to raise it to at least 8k and see the result, espeically when there is a cappy around buff you critical buff.

Don't worry much about physical mastery or Agi if they're a little lower than before, as you do most of your DPS through critical and devastration, not through raw damage.

What kind of numbers are you hitting when you crit and devastate, and are you hitting them often? Or only very little?

From the 6k critical, do you happen to have an agility lower than 2000? That would be the answer if so. Since most full dps'ers have well over 2000 agility and more around 2300 agility, which would also increase their critical to around 9k so they would deal even more damage.

Buffed I'm usually around 10k crit and 30k PMR, dps is usually aroudn 1700-1800 on medium length fights, maybe down to 1500 on long fights if I'm having to self regen power. Burst dps can be over 2k. Still wishing they'd limit main stats though so that we're not completely dps ######!

Originally Posted by zalladi

From the 6k critical, do you happen to have an agility lower than 2000? That would be the answer if so. Since most full dps'ers have well over 2000 agility and more around 2300 agility, which would also increase their critical to around 9k so they would deal even more damage.

What is morale level with over 2k agility? When I go over 2k agi my morale drops to about 5k.

It is puzzling me how to balance both for raids. I think I miss something.

Originally Posted by Hungoth

What is morale level with over 2k agility? When I go over 2k agi my morale drops to about 5k.

It is puzzling me how to balance both for raids. I think I miss something.

I have 2350 agi, 6kmorale, 8800 crit without crit buff. İf u have true relic, true and good virtue, u have more morale and agi than me

In general raid build I have ~2250 agi, 9k crit, 7k morale and 3.2k power unbuffed. About 28000 PMR. I stack crit, morale and ICPR on my relics (e.g. setting of endings, 2x two trees runes) rather than pure PMR; agi and crit could go higher, but I'd rather be able to take hits and keep on shooting. I don't have the full gold necklace yet, and my bow is a 3* Second rather than a First Ager. (It has 5 majors and I will be sad to see it go...)

Originally Posted by Snarf999

Still wishing they'd limit main stats though so that we're not completely dps ######!

Why? limit yourself and set your own goals/limits.

I would take a hunter with 7k morale (unbuffed) and 2k agi before any hunter with 5k morale and 2.5k agi any day

Originally Posted by UwS-Harledir

Why? limit yourself and set your own goals/limits.

I would take a hunter with 7k morale (unbuffed) and 2k agi before any hunter with 5k morale and 2.5k agi any day

Well then in that case, bring along an extra Cappy who can do as much as dps as your precious 7k morale/2k agi hunter and actually provide some off-heals/buffs/debuffs.

I run with 2582 agi (highest in the world as far as http://ttahvo.webatu.com/index.php says (pinalea - laurelin))
And can easily get over 2k DPS in endurance stance in boss fights without pulling aggro most of the times. (depending on resists etc)
I guess 2.5k would be possible or more in Precision stance, problem is that i will take aggro then so haven't tried that.

Faron set, 5b 2r, skills you use seems fine. I guess it's your low agi.


Also i always use Bow Chant: Breach finder (best one) and fire oils. Focus pot just when we need the DPS and the clicky from the limlight pocket when we really need a lot more DPS. If we have doubts we make a challenge mode in time or something.

Originally Posted by DutchEZmoder

I run with 2582 agi (highest in the world as far as http://ttahvo.webatu.com/index.php says (pinalea - laurelin))
And can easily get over 2k DPS in endurance stance in boss fights without pulling aggro most of the times. (depending on resists etc)
I guess 2.5k would be possible or more in Precision stance, problem is that i will take aggro then so haven't tried that.

Although you would have insane dps, on a T2 Orthanc run you would die instantly from a tactical hit having such low mitigations.

For the OP, have a balance of both damage and defence if you want to be the perfect solo'er. Above 2100 agility is average, over 6,500 morale and around 4000 to both mitigations is also average. However, if you are not an end-gamer, these stats can be difficult to come by.

Originally Posted by zalladi

Although you would have insane dps, on a T2 Orthanc run you would die instantly from a tactical hit having such low mitigations.

For the OP, have a balance of both damage and defence if you want to be the perfect solo'er. Above 2100 agility is average, over 6,500 morale and around 4000 to both mitigations is also average. However, if you are not an end-gamer, these stats can be difficult to come by.

Yes ofcourse, i do all T2 CM and i die always?... Nope. Hunters don't get hit anyways and only get hit from distributed damage or lightning floor. I never die unless the group is wiping and i can't stop that happening.

6k crit is so so so low hunter i have 34k mastery at raids with %25 crit you should have at least 9k crit unbuffed mate my personal favorite tome of combat techniques pocket item 2 gweluechor and 2 great river setting of endings (both on sword and bow)that gives 7.5 % magnitude and 580 crit

Originally Posted by DutchEZmoder

I run with 2582 agi (highest in the world as far as http://ttahvo.webatu.com/index.php says (pinalea - laurelin))
And can easily get over 2k DPS in endurance stance in boss fights without pulling aggro most of the times. (depending on resists etc)
I guess 2.5k would be possible or more in Precision stance, problem is that i will take aggro then so haven't tried that.

Faron set, 5b 2r, skills you use seems fine. I guess it's your low agi.


Also i always use Bow Chant: Breach finder (best one) and fire oils. Focus pot just when we need the DPS and the clicky from the limlight pocket when we really need a lot more DPS. If we have doubts we make a challenge mode in time or something.

with good guardian 2.4,2.5k dps is possible mate in ToO i did it recently stayed in precision all fight and never pull aggro. CTG at start and champ burg threat increase skills helped a lot ofcourse.and as high agi in world i just need olloch to achieve max agi which we did saruman t2 Nm this week coming with Hm next weeks so will get it soon

Originally Posted by DutchEZmoder

I run with 2582 agi (highest in the world as far as http://ttahvo.webatu.com/index.php says (pinalea - laurelin))
And can easily get over 2k DPS in endurance stance in boss fights without pulling aggro most of the times. (depending on resists etc)

Not sure what's wrong with that tool, try Elrantiri on Evernight and you'll get 2637 agility :S

i have actually been having a similar problem to this.

1st age bow, 2100 agi, 6.3k crit(unbuffed), but i only seem to parse around 1300-1400 when raid buffed :/

is the low crit really killing my dps? im trying to figure out how to add more crit to my build without dropping my morale/agi too much, but no luck so far.

Originally Posted by 0987654321

i have actually been having a similar problem to this.

1st age bow, 2100 agi, 6.3k crit(unbuffed), but i only seem to parse around 1300-1400 when raid buffed :/

is the low crit really killing my dps? im trying to figure out how to add more crit to my build without dropping my morale/agi too much, but no luck so far.

More crit = more focus points = more high DPS skills = higher DPS.

Originally Posted by Elrantiri

More crit = more focus points = more high DPS skills = higher DPS.

ok, thanks....guess ill have to work on getting it up :/

Originally Posted by UwS-Harledir

Why? limit yourself and set your own goals/limits.

I would take a hunter with 7k morale (unbuffed) and 2k agi before any hunter with 5k morale and 2.5k agi any day

I usually run around 2150 agi and I think I sit around (or just under) 7k morale and about 3k power unbuffed (depending upon traits). I tend to be above average in most stats, so I deal out a fair amount of dps whilst being somewhat survivable (some tanks hate me!) whilst having half decent mits and not bad power regen. The fun I tended to find before the level cap went up was trying to not quite hit the agi limit whilst juggling around bits of equipment.