Thread: Turbine hates Pvmp

They know it,we know it. They should just come right out and say it,it's not like it'll make any sizable impact on the game.

Just say it Turbine,it'll go something like this.

Turbine:Today we announce that we hate player versus monster player and we regret ever implementing it.

Customer:Finally you admit it,We already knew. Just needed to hear you say it.


If Turbine really cared one lick about pvmp and wanted to make positive changes to the moors that would increase player enjoyment they would do it and nothing would stop them.

Here's some facts that prove Turbine hates pvmp and doesn't care about the players that play in the moors be it freeps or creeps.

Reasons:

1.) In all the time that pvmp has been around only 2 out of the 6 creep classes have had significant class revamps which updated their performance to meet current changes with freep classes. (Which get far more frequent updates then creeps do)

2.) Creep lvl caps may have changed but the skills and potency of those skills don't reflect balance (healing,dmg,mits,animations).

3.) Developer interaction with playerbase is poor to say the least,it's not hard to notice how Turbine makes a point to flat out ignore the Monster play forums. Dev's interact with other aspects of the forums wether it's good or bad shouldn't make a difference. Monster play sections deserve the same attention from developers as any other. It's just rude and unprofessional.

3.) Developers have made little to no effort to run any pvmp events in the moors similiar to what pve has with festivals and the like.

4.) With commendations being added "The Devling of fror" is a useless feature now and no changes have been made to refeature it into something more meaingful for players (creeps and freeps).

We can only hope that Turbine gets their heads out of the dirt and realizes that Pvmp is still an important aspect of the game that should be updated and that includes the moors region in general,classe revamps,skill updates,events.

The moors is a wonderful fun place and you are missing out (Turbine) on the potential it has and what it could be.

One saying that completes this suggestion would be 'You have just asked and answered your question'. As in, you know that Turbine care not for PvP but yet you suggest ways to make it better. Now, all of your suggestions are ones I would follow, but knowing Turbine, they are never going to happen. Null and Void, a worthless argument, this is something that makes Guild Wars 2 look even more friendly.

They don't hate it. They are just blind to how profitable it could be and so they consider it non-profitable. Anything non-profitable will get little to no attention.

They have other "Priorities"
They say that so dam much...

They gotta get smacked in the head, and realize facts.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

They don't hate it. They are just blind to how profitable it could be and so they consider it non-profitable. Anything non-profitable will get little to no attention.

+rep.

That's simply the problem, in a nutshell.

Pushing New Content: Very Important
Fixing Bugs: Somewhat Important, we'll get to that later... /procrastinate.
Adding new PvMP Map: Not Important, not at all, people will still feed us money for the ounce of PvP we have..
Changing PvMP Ranks to be PvEable: Already done, trolololololo
Milking Money Off Of Your Players: Above all else, Priceless

Originally Posted by HalProudFoot

1.) In all the time that pvmp has been around only 2 out of the 6 creep classes have had significant class revamps which updated their performance to meet current changes with freep classes. (Which get far more frequent updates then creeps do)

Lets think about this. Of course the freep clases are going to get the most updates. The game is designed around pve contant which spans 75 levels, is over 90% of the game, and much more people have freeps than creeps. Many dont even go to the moors. While only 2 classes have gotten major revamps, there still have been numerous class changes to all of them. But the devs still need to pay a bit more attention to creep classes.

I agree with your 2nd point.

3. Yup festivals would be great! Lets all run around doing festival quests while getting ganked by freeps/creeps. I don't see how this would work at all. Plus, what would rewards be? Creeps don't have mounts and they can't wear cosmetics.

4 and everything else - You never know what could happen. The delving used to be semi-useful and the devs might make it useful again. Just because they changed it once doesn't mean its permenent. So far (correct me if I'm wrong) there has been nothing released about pvmp changes with RoR, but that dosen't mean that nothing with be changed with it.

I agree that the devs should pay more attention to pvmp but when you look at the moors vs the rest of the game, it really is just a small part and they can't spend all their time on it.

If you don't like it, don't play it.

Originally Posted by Wraithlord

3. Yup festivals would be great! Lets all run around doing festival quests while getting ganked by freeps/creeps. I don't see how this would work at all. Plus, what would rewards be? Creeps don't have mounts and they can't wear cosmetics.

Ignoring your sarcasm for a minute you know that I said "similar" events to what freeps have with festivals. It's obvious that events in the moors would have to work differently for them to work in that type of environment.

Originally Posted by Wraithlord

4. and everything else - You never know what could happen. The delving used to be semi-useful and the devs might make it useful again. Just because they changed it once doesn't mean its permenent. So far (correct me if I'm wrong) there has been nothing released about pvmp changes with RoR, but that dosen't mean that nothing with be changed with it.

That's a nice thought but in reality folks get to a point where wishing and dreaming of better things just doesn't cut it and that especially goes for MMO's. If Turbine was really interested in making the moors a better place for players then they would've done so long ago instead of this upcoming expansion. They have had plenty of time and opportunity to make changes that would balance the moors for both sides.

Originally Posted by Wraithlord

I agree that the devs should pay more attention to pvmp but when you look at the moors vs the rest of the game, it really is just a small part and they can't spend all their time on it.

If you don't like it, don't play it.

Spend all their time on it? They have barely spent anytime on it,which is why it's in such a bad place right now.

Also if I don't like it then something should be done about it. This isn't high school where if I don't do what all the cool kids do then i can't join their club. This is the adult world where if I don't like something then i'm going to voice my opinion about it freely.

Lastly pvmp may be a small part of the game but developers still have a responsibility to that aspect of the game and that includes updates,bug issues etc.

Edited.. Sapience answered some questions in another thread. Thank You!

-----> http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...n-the-road-map

Originally Posted by dadiro95

They have other "Priorities"
They say that so dam much...

They gotta get smacked in the head, and realize facts.

Well when you look at the fact that Turbine has so many players, and very few staff to deal with them all (compared to companies like Blizzard) PvMP is can't be their top priority.... Plus, until the next expansion, how can we expect major changes?

Originally Posted by davidrspiers

Well when you look at the fact that Turbine has so many players, and very few staff to deal with them all (compared to companies like Blizzard) PvMP is can't be their top priority.... Plus, until the next expansion, how can we expect major changes?

I don't believe monster players are saying LOTRO needs to make PVP their top priority. Just make it any sort of priority.

My #1 priority everyday is making sure I eat enough.
#2 is completing my job.
blah blah blah

Way down the list is taking my vitamins. Not my top priority, not even close, yet I manage to do it everyday.

they have been saying that since day 1.. since launch of the moors they never put any effort into it. I think they had one developer assigned to the project to fix bugs etc and that was it. It was the PVE'ers that cried for LOTRO to NOT pay attention to the pvp aspect of the game.

when in reality what most wanted was bugs fixed for moors and balances that only applied to the moors. Most did not want it affecting PVE. Yet there was this constant battle between the two.

Turbine took the stance that they only cared about PVE and over the year span of release... LOTS LEFT. Including me with the whole lifetime membership(what a mistake). A new map would of been nice. even some of the promises they had of having a keep siege like in LOTR 1st movie. that never happened. Heck we would of even settled for just another map with a different look.

we all knew it wasnt that much work to make a new small map. But Turbine turned their head with a deaf ear. As expected most left to other games where a company would at least attempt to fix pvp.

since launch turbine didnt care and will continue to not care. I wouldnt hold your breath on it.