Thread: Going away

Gratz Rax, you have surpassed Vyxe in the art of the zerg

Originally Posted by gimli4480

Can you honestly think of a zergier raid leader than rax?

Rigor, because only greenies join his groups l0l0l0l

Originally Posted by Raxlyn

Yicky, since Sylas has brought this matter to the boards, I don’t think this matter has totally been resolved. I think it is unfair for those in the community to have only one frame of reference, that was imo, an emotionally subjective prospective and warrants another side.

So, I would like to first apologize to Synlas, for his experience that Sunday and would like to offer some information about the incident before, during and after Synlas rage quit, making it hard to talk with him and resolve the matter immediately afterwards.

Yes, I am Raximus Rax the Warg. But before Raximus, I was Raxlyn the Hunter and one of the very first raid leaders on E. So, let me make several points clear.

I participated in the FreepTS for the sole purpose of giving support to the new Freep TS community, to have fun with a friend and visit old friends on Freepside. My intent was not to lead raids on TS at this time, but to support and encourage new raid leaders.

As for the automatic mute permissions and “raid Leader” icon, they were given to me, without my knowledge or understanding of why. I honestly didn’t know I was auto muting people when I pushed my talk button and I certainly didn’t mute people to brow beat or use for malicious purposes.
Now, for Sunday’s episode;

“Rax's solution to the problem was to brow beat me over the head, using his position as 'raid leader' in teamspeak (I don't believe either of us was aware of it at the time, but it had a very unfortunate result).” - Synlas

If you were to ask people who were in TS, ask them if I yelled, screamed, or belittle the raid leader or anyone else?

Ask them if my statements of suggested tactics were made during down times and not in the middle of a fight. I believe, I made them once and left it at that, then carried on with the raid leader’s instructions.

Ask them if made encouraging statements to the raid leader during that time.

Ask them if I was “brow beating” him?

“He spoke a lot in the battles and when moving, this in itself was not bad except that as a 'raid leader' every time he spoke I was automuted. He used this opportunity to brow beat me when outnumbered two to one, while I was trying desperately hard to get my numbers up large enough to face the creeps” – Synlas

I spoke a lot, because you made me target raid assist and I was calling out who I was targeting, creep positions, and tracking information. And again, I was totally unaware that I was auto muting you and everyone else.

“By the time I invited you (Sylidor) to shut up Rax's unending tirade and automuting me I had *finally* obtained 4 minstrels and about 18 total forces to face the creeps. But I had, had enough, and left.” – Synlas

Again, ask anyone that was there, if it was an “unending tirade”? I think Synlas took everything the wrong way, because of the auto muting permissions that were given to me. And, let me point it out again, I had no idea I was doing that to everyone in the channel. So, to Synlas, it may have seemed that way.

Again I apologize to Synlas, for the misunderstanding and the view of the experience that transpired on Sunday. The auto mute permissions and “Raid Leader” tag have been removed.

I encourage you to rejoin FreepTS and continue to grow as a Raid Leader, but most importantly, have fun…

That's fine, but what I want everyone to understand is whoever has lead, has ultimate authority. They have the final say in everything. Now, I believe you and Synlas have equal potential ability as leaders Rax, (even though you have more experience) but that's besides the point. If either of you feel that you could contribute to the raids efforts, send a private tell to whoever is leading, and ask if you may contribute in a seperate channel. If the leader's up for it.. discuss, debate.. fairly, and evenly. Please. I havent had anyone try to recommend anything to me while I'm leading, but I am exactly the same. There is always another mind.. another perspective, which is reason to believe you can always improve.

So. Consider that whatever happened didn't happen. No banning - no nothing. Get out there, lead together (Yasmina/Vappad/Celderon etc.) and keep the fun rolling.

Originally Posted by Kelly543

That's fine, but what I want everyone to understand is whoever has lead, has ultimate authority. They have the final say in everything. Now, I believe you and Synlas have equal potential ability as leaders Rax, (even though you have more experience) but that's besides the point. If either of you feel that you could contribute to the raids efforts, send a private tell to whoever is leading, and ask if you may contribute in a seperate channel. If the leader's up for it.. discuss, debate.. fairly, and evenly. Please. I havent had anyone try to recommend anything to me while I'm leading, but I am exactly the same. There is always another mind.. another perspective, which is reason to believe you can always improve.

So. Consider that whatever happened didn't happen. No banning - no nothing. Get out there, lead together (Yasmina/Vappad/Celderon etc.) and keep the fun rolling.

I think it just ended up being a misunderstanding on both parts. I'm currently reworking the tags to not allow priority speaker as that seemed to be one of the main issues. Thanks to all that spoke up and this is all taken care of

I had no idea you had a hunter, Raximus, apologies. I thought the "Rax" piece was a bit familiar, but I dismissed it as I thought you only played creep side.

Originally Posted by Raxlyn

Yicky, since Sylas has brought this matter to the boards, I don’t think this matter has totally been resolved. I think it is unfair for those in the community to have only one frame of reference, that was imo, an emotionally subjective prospective and warrants another side.

It was brought up earlier in the thread, somewhat indirectly, with Sylidor and I felt obliged to respond. I should have discussed it via private messages as I over reacted and I wish I had not brought it up in this thread, but oh well, what has happened has happened.

Originally Posted by Raxlyn

As for the automatic mute permissions and “raid Leader” icon, they were given to me, without my knowledge or understanding of why. I honestly didn’t know I was auto muting people when I pushed my talk button and I certainly didn’t mute people to brow beat or use for malicious purposes.

As I mentioned in my first post, I myself did not realize the auto-mute until after the battle, and afterwards I was fairly certain you didn't either and you have confirmed you didn't. Unfortunately, our misunderstanding on this only lead to further frustration as the battle went on, because I have a habit of continuing to talk for positioning or movement even when someone else is talking. This lead to several situations where I was left dumbstruck when the raid moved aimlessly. As I didn't realize what was happening in Teamspeak until after I left.

Originally Posted by Raxlyn

“Rax's solution to the problem was to brow beat me over the head, using his position as 'raid leader' in teamspeak (I don't believe either of us was aware of it at the time, but it had a very unfortunate result).” - Synlas

If you were to ask people who were in TS, ask them if I yelled, screamed, or belittle the raid leader or anyone else?

Browbeat was too strong a word, and you never yelled or swore. But the occasional result (this was no one's fault, it was a bad misunderstanding) was I would say things such as 'mount up' and everyone was left dumbfounded as no one heard me--you are definitely right though, I don't give much warning time when I mount up. A few times in the middle of a battle I called out for a particular attack for one class, and I don't believe it went through. Which left me wondering what I was doing wrong when we reformed at the rez point. This is one of the reasons why I was silent after a wipe when you were talking, not so much because of teamspeak then, but I was trying very hard to figure out what went wrong. So I moved the raid out again, watched the positioning, and tried to correct what I thought went wrong.

This created further angst after the raid when I figured out part of the problem. I had spent the better part of a week advertising teamspeak (including arguing with some people on OOC why 'teamspeak') only to find out it lead to a rather unpleasant evening.

Originally Posted by Raxlyn

“He spoke a lot in the battles and when moving, this in itself was not bad except that as a 'raid leader' every time he spoke I was automuted. He used this opportunity to brow beat me when outnumbered two to one, while I was trying desperately hard to get my numbers up large enough to face the creeps” – Synlas

I spoke a lot, because you made me target raid assist and I was calling out who I was targeting, creep positions, and tracking information. And again, I was totally unaware that I was auto muting you and everyone else.

And you did your job. I was not upset at that. I was upset at having spent 30 minutes growing a raid on a Sunday evening I planned to do something else, only to see it spiral out of control because of a communication system I had spent a week advertising regularly.

Originally Posted by Raxlyn

Again I apologize to Synlas, for the misunderstanding and the view of the experience that transpired on Sunday. The auto mute permissions and “Raid Leader” tag have been removed.

Automute is a good feature when used properly. The problem that errupted was I was not aware of it happening until after the battle, and neither did you. As far as you having raid leader position, that's fine, especially when you were calling out targets. The problem that erupted was not you. The problem that erupted was what transpired with Teamspeak and positions. I had originally planned to be somewhere else that Sunday evening, but came back as I had agreed to form a raid. THis only made my attitude far worse the ensuing day when I felt as if the 30 minutes was not only a waste of time, but a laughing matter at my expense.

There is no need to apologize. What I wrote was a bit vindictive, and I should be the one who apologizes to you, and I do. I hold no grudges against you, and never have (well, when your warg chews on me I do say things about you....). I was upset with what had happened in teamspeak, in part because I was originally going to be somewhere else, in part because I had never seen your hunter before but I felt (remember, what I feel is subjective) as if I had to contend with you in addition to the creep numbers and my lack of heals, and in part because I had spent the better part of a week arguing for teamspeak's case only to have the events of that Sunday transpire.

-Syn

There can tend to be a lot of talking in TS during raids. It evolves over time. Anyone that has spend time in Creep TS during a raid time can tell you that a lot of chatter can happen. The difference at this point during battle times is the creep TS chat has evolved into a near flawless system. During a fight there can be up to 6 different people talking at any given time and we know who is saying it, why, and decipher that into movement. The freep TS will easily get there but it takes time and a form of friendly dicipline while raiding.

For instance...During a Saturday night raid, I am relaying Engagement times, movements, fall back points, push angles, overall priority targets, Role target swaps, max distances, hold points, and rallys. At the same time my Target assists are verbally relaying targets (which is why rax is very vocal) at the same time, all of my target assists while relaying information to the raid on who's target to take down, they are also communicating with each other on which target to target next. At the same time as that my scouts are relaying movements of the rear lines or calling in reinforcements on the freeps to allow me to make a new assessment on the encounter. During that time my Raid Assistant is also visually eyeing the battlefield and the encounter on another angle to make sure we aren't getting in over our heads. Lots of stuff going on at once. This works because after being together for so long we can easily decipher when we can chat, and when a quiet time is. I know when it is best for myself to remain quiet as the T.A.'s are giving orders. and vice versa throughout the rolls in the raid. It takes time but it can be very effective.


During key points in a fight it can be 4 people talking at all times....

TA 1: Focus my target

TA 2: Have a [class] on my target ready for next focus

TA 4: my target 1/2 health, TA 2 switch and pick up for trade

TA 3: Target needs to be CC'd...

In response to TA 3: [creep name] coming in to [TA 3's target]...[skill'ing] success/fail

Me...Group 2 drive your team south following [creep name] go left, right and refocus to [choose class]

Raid assistant: getting close to [wherever] we need to push back to [insert map name here]


all of the above can happen in a matter of 10 seconds so it can get insane.


It takes trust on the leader's side to do this as well. Trust your Target Assists to know what to target. But they also need to trust you to make the proper decision on their targets. If I tell my people to target healers when they have 5 minis and 2-3 cappies...they are going to get very frustrated with me If I keep telling them to switch targets cause they aren't going down. It takes time and learning on all sides but it is a fun learning experience. take it a step at a time IMO. Start out with you doing the talking...then have your target assists call out targets.

When and where is Rax doing ballet?

Originally Posted by Kelly543

to anyone who might be interested to see the performances on the 13/14th July.

When will be Japan Tour？
I'm looking foward to it with [50 Bags of Flower Petals] and [50 Rotten Fruits].

alekirios for 4 months strait I've had nothing but insults in a trolling manner coming at me from you. Like honestly why don't you shut up instead of making fun of 13 yr old just trying to have fun. I've been nothing but insulted by your critisism. Yet you keep doing it over and over. You've never been in any of my raids and though I'm glad about that you still have no right what so ever to be judgmental over something that you have no matter involved with. I respect your great skills of soloing so I please ask you to respect my leading through which I attempt to give it all I got so that ppl can leave my raid with a sense of satisfaction and a feeling that they had a great time. I try to be nice with whomever I cross paths with but you are just so impolite. That's all I have to say on this matter and srry for disrupting such great thread.

Originally Posted by numberman

alekirios for 4 months strait I've had nothing but insults in a trolling manner coming at me from you. Like honestly why don't you shut up instead of making fun of 13 yr old just trying to have fun. I've been nothing but insulted by your critisism. Yet you keep doing it over and over. You've never been in any of my raids and though I'm glad about that you still have no right what so ever to be judgmental over something that you have no matter involved with. I respect your great skills of soloing so I please ask you to respect my leading through which I attempt to give it all I got so that ppl can leave my raid with a sense of satisfaction and a feeling that they had a great time. I try to be nice with whomever I cross paths with but you are just so impolite. That's all I have to say on this matter and srry for disrupting such great thread.

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Originally Posted by Vanacor

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Be not afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them.

Shakespeare

Originally Posted by Odin_of_Freyr

Be not afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them.

Shakespeare

You said thrust.

Originally Posted by Odin_of_Freyr

Be not afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them.

Shakespeare

And some buy potions of Greatness in the Turbine store. That's my plan.

Originally Posted by numberman

alekirios for 4 months strait I've had nothing but insults in a trolling manner coming at me from you. Like honestly why don't you shut up instead of making fun of 13 yr old just trying to have fun. I've been nothing but insulted by your critisism. Yet you keep doing it over and over. You've never been in any of my raids and though I'm glad about that you still have no right what so ever to be judgmental over something that you have no matter involved with. I respect your great skills of soloing so I please ask you to respect my leading through which I attempt to give it all I got so that ppl can leave my raid with a sense of satisfaction and a feeling that they had a great time. I try to be nice with whomever I cross paths with but you are just so impolite. That's all I have to say on this matter and srry for disrupting such great thread.

It's not really my fault you are butt hurt. I don't let good opportunities pass me by.

You should listen to Sazh. He knows best. He tells me you are his idol.

Originally Posted by numberman

alekirios for 4 months strait I've had nothing but insults in a trolling manner coming at me from you. Like honestly why don't you shut up instead of making fun of 13 yr old just trying to have fun. I've been nothing but insulted by your critisism. Yet you keep doing it over and over. You've never been in any of my raids and though I'm glad about that you still have no right what so ever to be judgmental over something that you have no matter involved with. I respect your great skills of soloing so I please ask you to respect my leading through which I attempt to give it all I got so that ppl can leave my raid with a sense of satisfaction and a feeling that they had a great time. I try to be nice with whomever I cross paths with but you are just so impolite. That's all I have to say on this matter and srry for disrupting such great thread.

oh Celderon you nubcake. In all sincerity, if you're having fun, then that's all that matters. Take everything in game with a grain of salt. Everyone trolls. You're 13 ffs. Nevertheless, if you pull silly stuff in 1v1s, I will rude you or corpsejump you. <3 Just the nature of the beast. If you love to jump around, kill a few things, derp a bit, then you're good to go. See you in the moors!

Originally Posted by Sirensonmute

oh Celderon you nubcake. In all sincerity, if you're having fun, then that's all that matters. Take everything in game with a grain of salt. Everyone trolls. You're 13 ffs. Nevertheless, if you pull silly stuff in 1v1s, I will rude you or corpsejump you. <3 Just the nature of the beast. If you love to jump around, kill a few things, derp a bit, then you're good to go. See you in the moors!

Yea I relly need to stop taking things to seriously :/

Originally Posted by Sirensonmute

If you love to jump around, kill a few things, derp a bit, then you're good to go. See you in the moors!

Oh I see his problem, he doesn't derp a bit... he derps a LOT.