Thread: PvMP map 'not on the road map'

Q: Will there be a new PVMP zone?
A: Not on the Road Map!


http://cstm.mymiddleearth.com/2012/0...-from-e3-2012/

I saw this on their site as well.

They could have at least removed the exclamation point so it didn't seem like they were happy to slap us in the face.

Well, I am happy that at least they aren't giving us the false promise of a new zone this time, just like the false promises they gave us with each expansion.

I noticed far too many exclamation marks on that interview.

Good.I'm glad to hear they arent even pretending to try making a new map right now. A new map only brings new exploits and other issues they have to test and find. Reworking the actual mechanics of PvMP gets the benefits of majorly revamped PvMP without worrying about things like 'how can we get past the new one-shotters?'.. 'how can I get on this little spot of landscape and kill everyone without them being able to attack me'.. etc. This is a tried and true map. Turbine, best of luck with your PvMP revamp.

Originally Posted by Crell_1

Good.I'm glad to hear they arent even pretending to try making a new map right now. A new map only brings new exploits and other issues they have to test and find. Reworking the actual mechanics of PvMP gets the benefits of majorly revamped PvMP without worrying about things like 'how can we get past the new one-shotters?'.. 'how can I get on this little spot of landscape and kill everyone without them being able to attack me'.. etc. This is a tried and true map. Turbine, best of luck with your PvMP revamp.

I bet if they applied your reasoning to PvE, you head would probably explode with rage.

Originally Posted by Daec

I bet if they applied your reasoning to PvE, you head would probably explode with rage.

Doubtful PvE is not a inherently competitive space. In PvE your use of a exploit does not affect my ability to enjoy my gameplay.

The road map just shows a one-way street to GW2 for most people.

Originally Posted by Andared

I saw this on their site as well.

They could have at least removed the exclamation point so it didn't seem like they were happy to slap us in the face.

Stop letting them slap you in the face then.....

Originally Posted by Crell_1

Doubtful PvE is not a inherently competitive space. In PvE your use of a exploit does not affect my ability to enjoy my gameplay.

I think you missed my point, what if for the next expansion they scaled up Archet and told you to deal with it because its a "tried and true" area?

not big suprise...
GW2 here I come !

Thought they might have gone that 'extra' mile this time round. Should have known better.

Don't even care~

Originally Posted by Beleg-Of-Doriath

Thought they might have gone that 'extra' mile this time round. Should have known better.

Fat chance.

Originally Posted by Daec

I think you missed my point, what if for the next expansion they scaled up Archet and told you to deal with it because its a "tried and true" area?

1. Refuse to buy it.
2. Assuming they didn't move the starting spawn? Gather a group of players to band together and defend the newcomers arriving the midst of this suddenly hostile environment
3. Speak up in favor of reverting the change.

I think you forget that because PvMP doesnt have progression based leveling, they don't necessarily need more places to go or quests to do.. they need people to kill and the ability to have fun doing it.

I think PvEing for infamy/renown was one of the worst decisions Turbine made for PvMP, another was selling rank-gated skills and the like in the store.

Originally Posted by Crell_1

they don't necessarily need more places to go or quests to do.. they need people to kill and the ability to have fun doing it.

We lack that ability in a sense.

Originally Posted by Crell_1

3. Speak up in favor of reverting the change.

This has been tried with many other 'changes to improve the game' but the pleas have fallen on deaf ears. It seems more and more that Turbine wants to cancel out PvMP and turn it into another PvE area for freeps.

Originally Posted by Crell_1

1. Refuse to buy it.
2. Assuming they didn't move the starting spawn? Gather a group of players to band together and defend the newcomers arriving the midst of this suddenly hostile environment
3. Speak up in favor of reverting the change.

I think you forget that because PvMP doesnt have progression based leveling, they don't necessarily need more places to go or quests to do.. they need people to kill and the ability to have fun doing it.

I think PvEing for infamy/renown was one of the worst decisions Turbine made for PvMP, another was selling rank-gated skills and the like in the store.

That's like saying PvEers don't need new quests to do or new places to go, they can just use the layering system to insert players into the same old areas with high level mobs and rehash old quests by raising the level on them and making them repeatable.

For someone who doesn't pvp you seem to have a lot to say on the subject.

Theres only one language Turbine speaks.. MONEY.

If you only pay sub for being able to Pvp and are sicking tired of it.. cancel it!

Hell last time we had a +10 page thread around here where people were saying "Un-subbed", "Sub cancelled" etc until Turbine gave us a update to PvMP.. we got a update to PvMP! (The one with wargs, spiders and comms).

But yeah my point is.. no matter how much you talk in forums or QQ to Turbine they simply do not care, they dont see you as players but more like simple cash cows.. you stop giving them money and they might look why they arent getting your money

One thing that is nice is they atleast said it now so players know that this isn't going to happen. Now the folks that hoped it would happen can choose to stay in lotro or spend their hard earned money elsewhere.

Looking at the various threads regarding wanted player changes in the moors it's clear that Turbine has their own ideas about what little changes they choose to make in the moors with their "Baby step" philosophy. And to think they'll change their minds anytime soon is a mistake.

It's also a mistake on Turbines part to think that small changes to the moors over time is a good thing. It's not and i'll tell you why. With pvp being a smaller section of lotro as a whole the effects of changes by Devs produces faster results since it's more generalized. Example: The introduction of commendations affected not just creeps but also freeps and their reactions to this change will be similiar in most respects,were as if a change to say WL's would require more specific needs such as players actually logging onto their WL's and testing the changes.

In my opinion I think Turbine stating that "Baby steps" is the way to go in order to prevent losing the fun factor that players have been accustom to is a flat out lie. I think Turbine is saying it because they 1.Don't know what changes need to be made. 2.Will interfere with their "Road map" with Pve. 3.Blinded to the fact that players love this game and that includes pvmp.

Pvmp should be more of a priority because players love it and enjoy it and that should be important to Turbine.
If Turbine was really interested in changing pvmp for the better they would make the time.

Turbine isn't making the time to change pvp for the better and we all know it. Everyone knows it. Actions speak louder then words.

Just more garbage from Turbine and one of the reasons why I decided to go for GW2. Congratulations, your ineptitude makes your competitors look outstanding by comparison.

I for one was very shocked, having seen them dedicate so much effort to pvp and listen so acutely to their fan base that I was convinced, given their history of keeping promises so well that not one, but two linked maps would be included.

But even now I am reading 'not on the road map' to mean they are bringing in a new map for us but with a lot of off road terrain. My faith in them is as shiney as ever and I am trembling with excitement that my faith in them has been so fully realised.

Thank you turbine, with all my heart, such dedication to the fans that power you, truly, in my eyes justifies the price tag on the new expansion fully.

Originally Posted by Crell_1

Good.I'm glad to hear they arent even pretending to try making a new map right now. A new map only brings new exploits and other issues they have to test and find. Reworking the actual mechanics of PvMP gets the benefits of majorly revamped PvMP without worrying about things like 'how can we get past the new one-shotters?'.. 'how can I get on this little spot of landscape and kill everyone without them being able to attack me'.. etc. This is a tried and true map. Turbine, best of luck with your PvMP revamp.

Says the rank 0 guy...

Originally Posted by dadiro95

Says the rank 0 guy...

watchout guys we have r7 here !

maybe he playing only creeps? and dont have them in signature?

Originally Posted by Theandil

watchout guys we have r7 here !

maybe he playing only creeps? and dont have them in signature?

So a r0=r7?

And we can only go off what we see, and he took a logical guess.

I agree with Crell on Infamy/Renown reward for quests being the worst decision ever. If they removed the Infamy/Renown reward after Rank 5, it would've been at least somewhat reasonable.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

The road map just shows a one-way street to GW2 for most people.

Sure is. Been going nuts on the beta weekend. Has rekindled my love for all things PvP and has reminded me how a well rounded PvP fight should be.

Originally Posted by Crell_1

1. Refuse to buy it.
2. Assuming they didn't move the starting spawn? Gather a group of players to band together and defend the newcomers arriving the midst of this suddenly hostile environment
3. Speak up in favor of reverting the change.

I think you forget that because PvMP doesnt have progression based leveling, they don't necessarily need more places to go or quests to do.. they need people to kill and the ability to have fun doing it.

I think PvEing for infamy/renown was one of the worst decisions Turbine made for PvMP, another was selling rank-gated skills and the like in the store.

Play a R0 reaver and come again...

PvE is the only way to get ranks when you're new, unless you want to zerg solo freeps in a 24 man raid of course. Especially as the average player doesn't give two ####s about new players, new creeps get thrown in the deep end in the worst possible way.

Originally Posted by Haunt123

I agree with Crell on Infamy/Renown reward for quests being the worst decision ever. If they removed the Infamy/Renown reward after Rank 5, it would've been at least somewhat reasonable.

Rank 7 at least, but ye, good idea.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

The road map just shows a one-way street to GW2 for most people.

Well said Sir! ...(Madam? ... Maggot!?)

So still new map.

GW2 looks better than ever.

After having been totally and completely invested in this game for over 4 years, I've felt it was time to look around for other options recently. After spending time in the GW2 beta this weekend, I've found that love for PvP and excitement about gaming again. I've tried playing this game to its maximum, and have completed ALL the new raids often first on my server, sometimes NA first, and even one world first. I've PvEed hard. I even spent enough time to get R14 in PvP, because that is all PvP rank is, just /timeplayed. I've played this formerly wonderful game to its fullest extent I was able to. All that being said, after seeing GW2, it is easy for me to say good bye permanently. For about the same cost, GW2 offers SO SO SO much more. Its almost sad to see the game I've loved for so long in such a poor state of development. Its been such a good run.

No new map saves me $70 then

They wont invest in PvMP then no reason for me to invest in their poor updates

Q: Will you ever sub again?
A: Not on the Road Map!

Originally Posted by deaddove

Q: Will you ever sub again?
A: Not on the Road Map!

You should've come up with some lame pun like they did.

While a new map would be great, its not essential to me enjoying the game.

I will hold off on purchasing this expansion to see what is done in other aspects of pvp though.

Originally Posted by Daec

I will hold off on purchasing this expansion to see what is done in other aspects of pvp though.

The most likely results are either A. nothing or B. plenty but it is all bad.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

The most likely results are either A. nothing or B. plenty but it is all bad.

This may be true, i have invested a lot of time in PvMP in this game and i still enjoy it (not to say i couldn't enjoy it more with proper development). We will have to see what they have in store. I hope they will release more information on the expansion soon.

Glad I had never got my hopes up for a new map...I just hope we get somewhat of a revamp again (how about get rid of outposts and bring back Hotspots...should be an easy one!)

I just completely LOL'd at that entire Q&A -

"No!"
"Not on the road map!"
"No!"
"Not at this time!"

And they're actually charging for this? Wow...

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