I just bought the LOTR War in the North Collector's Edition for Xbox yesterday. $39.99.
I guess it must suck...
I enjoyed it - just decide from the start if you're going to try and get the achievement to equip all the armor from a single set. That one is a pain. :P
Nope. And even a lot of $60 single-player games only last me a week or so. In terms of the quantity of entertainment to be had, a LOTRO expansion is almost certainly going to be a better deal than many single-player games. As for the quality... that's TBD. If it's fun, it'll be very "worth it" at $40. If not, it won't even be worth $10 - why would I want to pay anything for entertainment that isn't fun?
Khafar
The general lifetime of singleplayer games is nowadays very short.
I think this is what's getting everyone. With the way Turbine has changed things granting all levels to everyone, that's how it will be now. They are not going to charge money to raise level cap. Ironic because if they _did_ charge to raise level cap some people would be very happy. What they seem to be unhappy about is that everyone gets the benefits whether they pay or not, perhaps disgruntled over freeloaders?
Where at a stage where old style expansions can not ever happen again in this game.
Unfortunately, I think I have to agree with your last statement - although I think that "will" may be more appropriate than "can".
I just wish I could shake this feeling that the only reason that the instance clusters keep getting released months after the expansions launch (or, if you prefer, the expansions ship a few months before the instance clusters are ready) is to prevent people from buying the full expansions with TP and to (strongly) encourage people to buy them with cash - especially considering the fact that Turbine seems unwilling to release the TP price of the instance clusters early enough for us to make an informed decision about which option we'd prefer.
The funny thing to me is this: I would value being given the total TP price of RoR + the instances prior to September 5th more than I would the current situation (only know RoR's TP price, instance cluster price likely won't be known until after September 5th) even if the former price were actually higher.
In other words, if Turbine could tell me today that it'd cost me 7.5k TP to purchase RoR and the ensuing instance cluster, I'd be more likely to use my TP to purchase it than I am only knowing that RoR costs 4295 without the instance cluster price, even if the instance cluster price, announced much later, made the total less than 7.5k.
But hey... Turbine isn't dumb. Someone there knows that the mere uncertainty will cause many people to shell out $40 instead of deal with the uncertainty of not knowing the final cost in TP - it worked on me with RoI, and it may well work again with RoR.
I just bought the LOTR War in the North Collector's Edition for Xbox yesterday. $39.99.
I guess it must suck...
I thought so - in fact, I played it for about 3 days and then uninstalled it, unfinished. From lore issues (you ride around everywhere on the backs of Great Eagles) to the lack of an open world to explore to a very linear storyline and no way to save your progress in between "checkpoints"... I thought it was one of the worst single-player games I've tried in the last several years. Doesn't surprise me in the least that what initially sold for $130 is now going for $40. YMMV, of course.
$40 will not buy you an entire new single player game of any quality.
While I don't have a problem with the expansion price, this statement is just wrong. I picked up Endless Space from Steam over the weekend (ok, it's not new, it's pre-new - release is in July), and the next thing I knew, I'd racked up 20 hours over two and a half days - it's been a long time since I've gotten a new game that sucked me in so much that I had the 'look up and it's WHAT time???!?' reaction. (It's a 4X game - think Master of Orion if your memory goes back that far.) $30 list.
I'm a lifer. (I thought by stating this as many others do, I have somehow more weight or importance in my post...not really.)
As a lifer, before f2p, I still had to pay for expansions. Since f2p, I've had more TP than actual TP in my house. Clearly, I could have used said TP to acquire further expansions et.al from Turbine and be getting everything for literally free. I never did though. I always brought it (much to my wives chagrin, yeah, all of them, (that's a joke btw)), because I felt, Turbine deserve the money for doing a great job, and to show my real support other than simply playing the game.
I missed the whole RoI debate as I was afk from lotro for a number of months.
RoR, no instances with pre-order. Maybe you have to pay for them at a later date, really...this that right? Seriously.
So, if I were to use TP, I'd have to spend a bunch to unlock RoR, then at a later date, spend more TP to get the instances too?
If it is, then 1. first time ever I'm not pre-ordering. 2. Not spending TP on RoR until the instances are released and then see what the situation is. I'll happily be RoRless until instances are released, I'd rather level another toon on another server to 75 than accept this pieceameal drip feeding expansion part 1 part 2 etc.
Hate morbid posting on forums too. Ruins my day.
What I type here, is only so I don't get banned. What I really think goes here.
From lore issues (you ride around everywhere on the backs of Great Eagles)
'Eagle abuse' is a red flag for any LOTR game since it's poison, story-wise. (And we know old man Tolkien hated the idea, because someone pitched it way back when in a proposed movie treatment).
For once, a legit reason to go all 'lore police'... it's like "Put your hands up and step away from the deus ex machina, Snowblind!"
RoR, no instances with pre-order. Maybe you have to pay for them at a later date, really...this that right? Seriously.
So, if I were to use TP, I'd have to spend a bunch to unlock RoR, then at a later date, spend more TP to get the instances too?
If you buy the pre-order, the instance cluster is included in the price.
If you wait for launch and use Turbine Points to get the Rohan pack, then yes, you'll probably have to purchase the instance cluster separately, similar to RoI.
I just wish I could shake this feeling that the only reason that the instance clusters keep getting released months after the expansions launch (or, if you prefer, the expansions ship a few months before the instance clusters are ready) is to prevent people from buying the full expansions with TP and to (strongly) encourage people to buy them with cash
Maybe. But my theory is that the release date is set in stone by marketing long before the development is fully underway, and then they can't get out all the planned content in time.
$40 will not buy you an entire new single player game of any quality.
Oh really? Just cause 2? Max Payne 3. Both cost me less than 40$ new on release, with box. You try find bad scores for either game. Many of those who bought Just Cause 2 who post on the forums have had way more than 1000 hours out of it.
"Come and get one in the yarbles, if ya have any yarbles, you eunuch jelly thou!" - Alex DeLarge
I just bought the LOTR War in the North Collector's Edition for Xbox yesterday. $39.99.
I guess it must suck...
Not to nit pick but I wouldn't call a game released in November 2011 a new game. Looks like the orginal MSRP back in November was $59.99 for the collectors edition which to be fair is less that ROR legendary edition.
'Eagle abuse' is a red flag for any LOTR game since it's poison, story-wise. (And we know old man Tolkien hated the idea, because someone pitched it way back when in a proposed movie treatment).
For once, a legit reason to go all 'lore police'... it's like "Put your hands up and step away from the deus ex machina, Snowblind!"
Tolkien himself regreted the use of eagles at some point, I think.
Exaclty because of that deus ex machina effect.
Giant Eagles are no common birds you can ride like that.
It's funny how glowingly Moria is referred to these days.
Because when it came out, it was a non-stop whinefest about how MoM had ruined the game.
Terrible lag, expecially in the 21st.I mean horrible, game breaking, who broke my computer lag. Remember when it was considered polite to "hide" your cape/cloak in the 21st? How people would get angry at people who didn't? Many broken instances, quests as well.
Anyone remember the Lothlorien whines? Yeah, we only got the first little bit at launch. False advertisment rants out the hoo-doo.And, people ranted about LI's killing crafting, the entire radiance situation, only 1 raid at launch. So many more rants.
Please, don't use your 20/20 hindsight on Moria. Because, at launch, Moria was flawed too.
That said, the RoI and RoR expansions being launched without end game instances has been even lamer.
You are the new school, before that there was the old school.
I must be ancient, my ex-wife thinks I'm pre-school
For just $20 more, you can get a whole new MMO. This one includes good pvp, more action oriented combat, and a company that actually cares. When you add in the price for the new instances here, it would probably be cheaper to get GW2.
I'm really glad I didn't get lotr war in the north. I had a feeling it would not be a good lotr game, that and lotr concur. Tolkien has to be turning in his grave.
anyway, i know its been said before about the instances cluster being released after the expansion and costing but i could have sworn i saw a post from the devs no more the 3 days ago saying it would be free for those who purchased the expansion. I have been trying to find it with no luck. anyone know what im talking about or am i just smoking weed, is so ill share.
anyway, i know its been said before about the instances cluster being released after the expansion and costing but i could have sworn i saw a post from the devs no more the 3 days ago saying it would be free for those who purchased the expansion. I have been trying to find it with no luck. anyone know what im talking about or am i just smoking weed, is so ill share.
Maybe. But my theory is that the release date is set in stone by marketing long before the development is fully underway, and then they can't get out all the planned content in time.
Or it's simply a strategy. They probably have metrics on how fast the average player will consume the landscape quests needed to get to 85. If the average player won't get there until December anyway, why not use that extra time to build/polish/test out the instances, especially when there is scalable content in the game. It could essentially go in cycles - new expansion releases, people that hit level cap early run skirmishes and classic instances for 2 months, then the instance cluster hits and skirmishes and classics get mostly ignored for another 9 months or so. It would work even better if they had a chance to convert more instances to fully scalable (especially Moria and perhaps SG from Mirkwood).
Also, for people counting content, Eregion was technically not part of the Moria expansion, considering it was available to every subscriber regardless of whether they bought the expansion or not. Mines of Moria contained only 6 instances and one lair raid at launch, and Lothlorien was VERY small - it's barely worth considering Nanduhirion as a "zone". Many of the instances were also terribly exploitable, which was good if you liked getting gear but bad if you liked a meaningful play experience. If you're going to count the full version of Lorien and the 3 additional instances and 2 additional raids added between Mines of Moria and Siege of Mirkwood, you also have to count the Great River region, Storm on Methedras, and Roots of Fangorn in with Isengard (personally, I'd count neither - they're simply part of the continuing Live Update part of the game, which admittedly is not back up to pre-Seige of Mirkwood levels yet.
I'm also not sure counting instances is all that productive. The problem is that many people will typically only run a few favored instances and ignore others. Many people ignored the heck out of DD and 16th hall in Moria once they had gotten their necessary tokens/class quests done, since it was significantly harder or longer (and generally more of a pain) than some of the other instances. They have since shifted to a different design philosophy for instances that focuses on different sizes (more 3s, less 6s), and having each instance be distinctly different so there's less underused instances. The theory here is that if they playstyles are distinctly different and fun in their own way, people will focus on which they feel like doing and less about which is the better reward/time ratio. They've tried other mechanics (weekly challenges, random instance finder) to get people to avoid the "favored instance", with relatively little success. I personally WOULD like to see more instances (especially 6s, as I find 3s to be somewhat tactically limited and fairly restricted in class composition), but I don't see any point in making a lot of instances purely to have a high number and be able to cite that in an expansion.
For just $20 more, you can get a whole new MMO. This one includes good pvp, more action oriented combat, and a company that actually cares. When you add in the price for the new instances here, it would probably be cheaper to get GW2.
GW2 seems promising indeed but I'm pretty sure people will soon emough realize after release that a full micro-transaction based game is not that free.
I couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread so it might be that someone has used "my" argument before.
I have no problem what so ever to spend $ 69.99 on a game/expansion or update.
I have enjoyed LOTRO for almost five years. I bought the game, and pre-ordered all the expansions. Probably spent $250 in totalt. If or when I divide amount spent on LOTRO by actual in-game time (enjoyable gaming time) I have paid approximately 4c/hour. Is that unreasonable? I don't feel it is. Take a look at other games either for console or PC, FIFA, PES, TigerWoods and all other franchise games launching new games each year with an average price (in Norway) $100. Now that is unreasonable!
Thank you turbine for making a great and enjoyable game. I hope you will continue to improve in-game experience and content in the future. I will gladly contribute for future development by paying for all new content
I couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread so it might be that someone has used "my" argument before.
I have no problem what so ever to spend $ 69.99 on a game/expansion or update.
I have enjoyed LOTRO for almost five years. I bought the game, and pre-ordered all the expansions. Probably spent $250 in totalt. If or when I divide amount spent on LOTRO by actual in-game time (enjoyable gaming time) I have paid approximately 4c/hour. Is that unreasonable? I don't feel it is. Take a look at other games either for console or PC, FIFA, PES, TigerWoods and all other franchise games launching new games each year with an average price (in Norway) $100. Now that is unreasonable!
Thank you turbine for making a great and enjoyable game. I hope you will continue to improve in-game experience and content in the future. I will gladly contribute for future development by paying for all new content
Signed by a true Lotro enthusiast
As this is pretty much the only game I play, mostly because of the Kin I am in and the lore associated with the game, I don't mind the prices. I always find something to do in game and have been pleased with the overwhelming majority of my experience.
-Britt
Britton, Theondir, and others... Soloing ME since '07.
To me personally i feel that this IS an expansion and what makes it so is very simple: Mounted Combat. But you are correct OP that so far Turbine has done a good job of making players like you and several others feel that this is an exaggerated quest pack.
I have taken the freedom of assuming that Mounted Combat encompasses much more than what has been explained. It may very well be a game changer. Skirmishes while mounted, dungeons and raids while mounted, customizable mounts with 3D armor (new cosmetic tab for horses maybe), mounts with stats and their own abilities (already mentioned), quests involved explicitly for mounts (already mentioned), and the list goes on.
There are no new classes which is a popular feature in expansions (also races) but this feature so far does appear to merge your abilities with that of the mount giving you a familiar yet new way to play. It could be as influential to your class and play style as legendary weapons.
Sure, not exactly 40$ - but neither is RoR Lite over here, in "37 euro" land. Not to mention it was pretty similar when standard edition was released.
By the way - in memoriam of those "US/EU prices" threads:
"Since the EU price is almost $6 more than the price in USD, we’re giving you a $6 USD credit to spend on GOG.com. "
I guess some companies can only hide behind "tax excuse" and even this half-gesture above is too much.
Personally I myself would never pay 70$ for an expansion that doesnt include Helms Deep and Edoras basically they are just selling mounted combat,quests...but without major lore its niot worth it.Better to wait for Helms deep and Edoras.It would proably be just neverending fields whit orcs hunting you.
sry for bad english
It wasnt a question for me to buy rider of rohirim, nor would i ask for the content of the the map.
The only question for me was, which box of the pre-order do i buy?
The 64 euro box contents extra bag, rohirim horse, extra legandary slot for the li .
The worse on this is: I had to buy it from an external webpage and couldnt use off my turbine points.
The cape on lvl 75 is worser than the cape i wear atm: Treiglur Clog, its not yet the best ingame cape!, and i hoped so that i can make my attributs better. failed! why lvl 75 cape when the pre order is for a new and higher lvl cap???
The costume isnt for colouring,(why not? check the film, there are more than one coloure green in the film) 4 capes are in , two capes with might setup both covering the head, but right the heavy class wants to wear and show the helmet. Failed!
What is now for me the advantage to buy/bought already the 64 euro set up?
an extra slot for the legandary sword, a full set non colouring armor, the extra bag, is that worth 20 euro more worth? there isnt such an inflation right now, and i feel really ripped.
I hope there will be worked on.
There's just the catch that they have explicitly said that mounted combat will be restricted to a certain area
Yes they said only in Rohan, not Duneland or Eriador. But who is to say we wont see areas that cater to it in Gondor, Mordor, Dagorlad, Rhun, etc.
This new system could very well be here to stay.
I thought i had the game figured out until i reached level 45 and i was able to get a "legendary" weapon. Now they are as common to me as any piece of gear and a fundamental part of the game. I imagine Mounted combat will be the same, you think you got the puzzle nearly complete at level 75 but then you're introduced to Mounted Combat!
I am optimistic about it being part of the future, not just part of RoR.
My question is are they gona release an expansion every year with an add to the lvl cap ? If so we will be reaching ridiculous levels very soon !?
We are already at the ridiculous levels level! I have characters that can solo almost all of Carn Dum. I don't know why the rangers are so scared that they hide in Esteldin when I have single handedly killed every goblin, orc, and troll in North Downs.
Of course, if they don't raise the levels then people will complain there's nothing to do because they can't level. Really people are just horrible complainers. For some reason I actually enjoy playing this game, like the Moors, enjoy playing creepside and don't find it underpowered and am looking forward to Rohan. It's amazing what can happen when you aren't just interested in trashing everything.
New players should be encouraged to never read anything outside of the impressions thread, because otherwise they might start actually believing the negative stuff people write.
Anyway, on the topic of value. A good price really depends on the individual buyer.
For example, NCAA Football 13 is $60. A lot of people would say that that is terrible, they are ripping you off every year, every game is the same ect. I however, play Online Dynasties with a good group of friends that I've ran with for a few years now, so it's really just as much as a social thing than just the game. So, I can justify that price to myself. Someone else may not do the things I do with the game, so they can't.
RoR is the same. If you like lots of quests and instances, then $40 is a good price. If your more of a pvmp person however, then you really don't think it's worth it. Or maybe the price is too high regardless.
But really, we are never going to agree on what's a good value because we all have different perceptions of that value.
The thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty forever beyond its reach.” - J.R.R. Tolkien
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