Thread: Removing Tactical, Physical, Song and Cry effects -- Color-code please?

So, it turns out many freep effects can be removed with the bottled spider chitters, etc. Unfortunately, it's really difficult to tell when you have a removable freep effect and which pot you need to use because they aren't color coded to match the bottles the way wound, fear, poison, and disease effects are. With the wound etc. effects, you can just hit the pot when you see an effect of that color appear beneath your morale bar, but with the freep effects, just doing that could waste a cooldown because they aren't color matched. Unless you have all the removable freep effects memorized, the only thing way to tell is to mouse over the effects to see if they are removable and what kind they are, and that's time that could be spent deciding what skill to use next.

I realize it would be confusing for freeps if their effect icons suddenly changed colors, but perhaps there could be a little checkbox option for creeps to outline removable freep effects with the appropriate color that matches the potions?

A lot of creeps don't even know that many freep effects are removable.

Man, that would be sooooooo helpful.

/signed. And make the colors VERY different from each other, I'm color-deficient and I can't tell the difference between the colors of the disease and poison effects borders. Even better, make it so right-clicking on a debuff icon uses the appropriate pot, so I don't have to worry about colors at all.

I agree .

Meanwhile , this might be helpful ( soon to be updated btw , I know there are icons missing ) .



http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...ng-up-tactics.

I would also love to see this implemented. It is extremely confusing as is, and the only ones I know right now are the wardens leeches.

An option to change the games appearance to be more friendly to people who have some degree of color blindness or color-seeing-problem would certainly be great. Personally, I don't have any problem distinguishing between the four color pots, but I know red/green or sometimes other combinations can be a problem for some people. However, as it stands now, the colors of the pots are completely unrelated to the colors of the freep effects, so at least color impaired people don't have any disadvantage on that specific issue. (But they do when it comes to normal wound/fear/disease/poison effects.)

That's a great list Louvre. Thank you. If only I could figure out a way to memorize all that. Maybe some sort of flash card program... even then, the icons are so teeny tiny beneath your morale bar. A color wouldn't require squinting. Although I suppose I should be grateful it's even possible to remove those effects.

I know, KajinSavaros. I often find myself not removing freep effects until after I've run away to relative safety and am just trying not to die from the bleeds, since that's about the point I have time to mouse over and see what they are.

Well, freep side, debuffs are identified two ways:

- Debuffs have a border if removable, none if not
- That border is coloured depending of the debuff type (and the corresponding pot), red for wounds, yellow for disease etc

In addition, debuff icons themselves are usually coloured according to their type although not always, for instance some 'frost' dots that have blue icons, but red borders (if removable) as they are truly 'wounds'.

Anyway, creeps are lacking those borders identifying debuffs. Now the good news is that plugins have access to debuffs so it's possible to write one that identifies those removable debuffs properly, adding coloured borders and possibly tinting the icon itself. There's an idea for plugin makers ...

Check out the BuffBars plugin: http://www.lotrointerface.com/downloads/info361-BuffBars.html

I've been using this for a couple years now and it works great. I have been using version 1.2.2 and tried out the latest version of BB, 2.0.3 just today, but the options for the plugin don't seem to work for it. Other users suspect the latest LOTRO patch broke it. It works for me because I had already set up options in the prior version, but if it were a brand new install, you couldn't do anything with it. I can vouch for version 1.2.2 working as of today, but can't speak to later versions except for latest as above.

Anyway, technical glitches aside, this plugin allows you to set up automatic onscreen inventory pops for the appropriate "bottled xxx" potions depending up on the type of debuff on you. The only removable Freep debuff that it doesn't seem to work with is the Fear from hunters or minis. You can remove it of course with the former Delving Fear pot, but the plugin doesn't recognize that specific Fear as a removable debuff. Burglar silences are classified as Fears and can be removed with the Purple pots though.

Buffbars also has two other functions which are useful as well, but I'll let you check out the download page to read about those. I haven't found any other plugins which see to work as well for this purpose as Buffbars does for me.

Originally Posted by azpbxguy

Check out the BuffBars plugin: http://www.lotrointerface.com/downloads/info361-BuffBars.html

I've been using this for a couple years now and it works great. I have been using version 1.2.2 and tried out the latest version of BB, 2.0.3 just today, but the options for the plugin don't seem to work for it. Other users suspect the latest LOTRO patch broke it. It works for me because I had already set up options in the prior version, but if it were a brand new install, you couldn't do anything with it. I can vouch for version 1.2.2 working as of today, but can't speak to later versions except for latest as above.

Anyway, technical glitches aside, this plugin allows you to set up automatic onscreen inventory pops for the appropriate "bottled xxx" potions depending up on the type of debuff on you. The only removable Freep debuff that it doesn't seem to work with is the Fear from hunters or minis. You can remove it of course with the former Delving Fear pot, but the plugin doesn't recognize that specific Fear as a removable debuff. Burglar silences are classified as Fears and can be removed with the Purple pots though.

Buffbars also has two other functions which are useful as well, but I'll let you check out the download page to read about those. I haven't found any other plugins which see to work as well for this purpose as Buffbars does for me.

Definitely going to have to look into that.

Thanks for that post, Louver. I printed it & it's going on my tack board - very useful!

Azpbxguy, thank you thank you thank you!

I tried the version you suggested, and it seems to be working for Physical, Cry, and Song effects. I can't seem to get it to work for tactical effects. In the options there is something for elemental effects, but I have no idea what that is. I tried configuring it to recognize elemental effects, but it doesn't seem to do anything. Anyway, 3/4 is still really good! It's been helping me a lot.

Originally Posted by NettlesB

Azpbxguy, thank you thank you thank you!

I tried the version you suggested, and it seems to be working for Physical, Cry, and Song effects. I can't seem to get it to work for tactical effects. In the options there is something for elemental effects, but I have no idea what that is. I tried configuring it to recognize elemental effects, but it doesn't seem to do anything. Anyway, 3/4 is still really good! It's been helping me a lot.

Glad it helped! The dev just put out a new version which fixes the options for the plugin. It seems to be working fine, although I did have to reset all my pots and preferences but no biggie. Yes, tactical effects don't work as you've seen. I tried the same thing with using elemental effects, but to no avail. When asked about it on the plugin forum, the dev said he would look into it if he had time, but that was at least a year ago. I've learned the debuffs which can be potted off with the purple pots and managed with doing it manually. As I said earlier the plugin works fine for Fear effects from both Burgs and NPCs, but for tactical it's a no go. Still, incredibly useful.

Cheers!

Totally agree with the OP. Very good idea! And,


On a side note: It looks like every LM debuff can be potted! Turbine has gone a long way to destroy those Gandalf wannabes! I always suspected they worked for Sauron.....