Thread: What i think of todays PVP

Pretty sad when i dont need to ask anymore where the pvp is when Ta is blue , all i need to do is go to WB/OC/LUG REZ to find the action.

Yesterday was a prime example of it in two different ways.

1. Creeps had numbers at one point yesterday but refused to push Ta, leave OC and the only time they came out when a small group pushed in lugz and the creeps brought 3 times their numbers. Just explained to me with numbers like that why wouldnt you push a keep and only fight inside your NPCs????


2. Freeps gained big numbers and what did they do nothing and i mean nothing but sit at WB/OC instead of pushing a keep to change up the fight and i dont want to hear this we wont to give them a rez circle #### its all about wanting to farm creeps left and right.


Sadly todays pvp i blame most of the problem on freeps pvping just for gear and nothing else and the blame i put on the creeps goes directly to the leader/vets if that what you call them and giving bad advice on not pushing when they have numbers.



So the 2 of the 3 biggest problem i see with todays pvp i blame on freeps and creeps

1. Freeps farming for gear and afraid to fight when outnumbered

2. Creep leaders not leading and giving bad advice

3. Turbine for putting in the Comm system/store/Pvp armour not requireing rank.


BTW I love you all have a wonder weekend

my word is "LAW"

Honestly, the only time I ever see good pvp on this server is when there is RaidvsRaid action. No keeps, no hugging, just two raids out in an open field fighting to the death.
I was on my creep a couple of weeks ago, and this one particular situation upset me. There were about 5 freeps near that big rock just outside of TR, and there were maybe 12 creeps hugging TR. (TR was red, of course.) The creeps didn't even push.
The freeps charged them first, then of course the creeps come out and zerg the freeps and killed them all. The creeps pushed out of TR way past the big rock. And after the freeps were all dead, what do the creeps do? They run STRAIGHT BACK INTO TR. The freeps weren't even there, yet the creeps were hugging TR. They didn't push about half way to GV to meet the freeps head on, they coward in their keep even though they had twice their numbers.
Everyone has to learn to shake things up a little bit.

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

Pretty sad when i dont need to ask anymore where the pvp is when Ta is blue , all i need to do is go to WB/OC/LUG REZ to find the action.

Yesterday was a prime example of it in two different ways.

1. Creeps had numbers at one point yesterday but refused to push Ta, leave OC and the only time they came out when a small group pushed in lugz and the creeps brought 3 times their numbers. Just explained to me with numbers like that why wouldnt you push a keep and only fight inside your NPCs????


2. Freeps gained big numbers and what did they do nothing and i mean nothing but sit at WB/OC instead of pushing a keep to change up the fight and i dont want to hear this we wont to give them a rez circle #### its all about wanting to farm creeps left and right.


Sadly todays pvp i blame most of the problem on freeps pvping just for gear and nothing else and the blame i put on the creeps goes directly to the leader/vets if that what you call them and giving bad advice on not pushing when they have numbers.



So the 2 of the 3 biggest problem i see with todays pvp i blame on freeps and creeps

1. Freeps farming for gear and afraid to fight when outnumbered

2. Creep leaders not leading and giving bad advice

3. Turbine for putting in the Comm system/store/Pvp armour not requireing rank.


BTW I love you all have a wonder weekend

my word is "LAW"

A couple of observations I have from the creep side, as that is all I come to the moors on, anymore:
1. Having PvE in a PvP zone. I see a lot of both sides doing it... the freeps for armor and the creeps because we are pretty much forced into doing it. I do enough PvE on my freep and I have to do more in a PvP zone... really?

2. I have been in a number of groups, recently (not even going to say 'raid' as that is normally between 12-24 people... but, that is interpreted by the individual...) and there are too many in groups that still do their own thing. The group leader can only do so much. It's not from giving 'bad' advice, it's from giving direction that is ignored, at best.

3. This is more of a question I have, but it is from an observation. I know that when one side or the other has both of them, they get a 'bonus'. However, from being part of 3 groups recently that 'successfully' returned a relic, we have always protected the relic carrier on all sides from attack as they cannot use any skills. Why then, when we tried to stop a minstrel who was carrying the relic, was the minstrel able to use skills that were able to do damage? I know this because I took damage from ballads and cries and the minstrel had even gotten the killing blow. There was even a warden last night who had the relic and was out in the front lines killing creeps left and right. What gives?? And why, when the warden's power was running low was he able to suddenly run away fast from a group of creeps? Am I missing something here? When creeps are continually rolled because of this, is a reason really needed why they 'hide' in keeps?

And, no, I'm not playing any kind of blame game here... it is, after all, a game and who is to say how someone else is to have fun? So why even blame one side or the other? Why even blame the store? They don't hold a gun to your head demanding that people buy things to make them win... people choose to. What happened to personal responsibilty?

Meh, it is what it is... I personally can't stand anything in the store, which I why I fall from the bridges and keeps with, gasp, broken legs. But then again, it's my personal choice not to buy. Again, it is what it is.

Originally Posted by TanisWhisperwind

A couple of observations I have from the creep side, as that is all I come to the moors on, anymore:
1. Having PvE in a PvP zone. I see a lot of both sides doing it... the freeps for armor and the creeps because we are pretty much forced into doing it. I do enough PvE on my freep and I have to do more in a PvP zone... really?

2. I have been in a number of groups, recently (not even going to say 'raid' as that is normally between 12-24 people... but, that is interpreted by the individual...) and there are too many in groups that still do their own thing. The group leader can only do so much. It's not from giving 'bad' advice, it's from giving direction that is ignored, at best.

3. This is more of a question I have, but it is from an observation. I know that when one side or the other has both of them, they get a 'bonus'. However, from being part of 3 groups recently that 'successfully' returned a relic, we have always protected the relic carrier on all sides from attack as they cannot use any skills. Why then, when we tried to stop a minstrel who was carrying the relic, was the minstrel able to use skills that were able to do damage? I know this because I took damage from ballads and cries and the minstrel had even gotten the killing blow. There was even a warden last night who had the relic and was out in the front lines killing creeps left and right. What gives?? And why, when the warden's power was running low was he able to suddenly run away fast from a group of creeps? Am I missing something here? When creeps are continually rolled because of this, is a reason really needed why they 'hide' in keeps?

And, no, I'm not playing any kind of blame game here... it is, after all, a game and who is to say how someone else is to have fun? So why even blame one side or the other? Why even blame the store? They don't hold a gun to your head demanding that people buy things to make them win... people choose to. What happened to personal responsibilty?

Meh, it is what it is... I personally can't stand anything in the store, which I why I fall from the bridges and keeps with, gasp, broken legs. But then again, it's my personal choice not to buy. Again, it is what it is.

1. there are creep leaders/vets who give bad advice not all but some and that goes for freeps as well

2.When carrying the relic you cant be slow and also any no induction skill can be used

3. Creeps arent weak and they dont get rolled as often as some may think and i was referring to them having greater numbers and still sitting in OC


Dont get me wrong ive played both sides and i do see issues from both sides

Originally Posted by TanisWhisperwind

3. This is more of a question I have, but it is from an observation. I know that when one side or the other has both of them, they get a 'bonus'. However, from being part of 3 groups recently that 'successfully' returned a relic, we have always protected the relic carrier on all sides from attack as they cannot use any skills. Why then, when we tried to stop a minstrel who was carrying the relic, was the minstrel able to use skills that were able to do damage? I know this because I took damage from ballads and cries and the minstrel had even gotten the killing blow. There was even a warden last night who had the relic and was out in the front lines killing creeps left and right. What gives?? And why, when the warden's power was running low was he able to suddenly run away fast from a group of creeps? Am I missing something here? When creeps are continually rolled because of this, is a reason really needed why they 'hide' in keeps?

Wardens are god mode right now but creeps were hardly rolled in the encounter with freeps in their keep last night while we had the relic. yes the warden got away but you successfully managed to kill everyone else in the group and in this case it was the creeps doing the rolling. I wouldn't say creeps had 3 times our numbers last night but we had at most 10 in our group. Plus a few tagalongs. But there more than enough creeps.

As far as Pvp, yeah last night and the past few days have been craptastic. It seems like if freeps have TA its OC shuffle and if creeps have TA its EC shuffle with little else except than flanks once in a while. When we pushed into a keep we got rolled over in NPCs and double our numbers but other than the earlier circle zerg of TA with 4 WL, I did not see creeps push anywhere the rest of the day and both sides had fairly decent numbers to make fights. Oh wait the LC take right after elmo kaco and i 3 manned it. Freeps are just as much to blame for sitting there staring at OC and we've been doing our best to try and get people to move to no avail. Pvp on this server is honestly pathetic lately. End of story.

Grrreeetings,

I push in my own way ... to the point that i'm sure my fellow Creeps believe i'm just feeding the Freeps. My biggest fault is not grouping with more Creeps but I have my reasons why I do that.
I realy don't have anything usefull to add to the thread just wanted to say hello lol

Later...

Originally Posted by Reedster75

Grrreeetings,

I push in my own way ... to the point that i'm sure my fellow Creeps believe i'm just feeding the Freeps. My biggest fault is not grouping with more Creeps but I have my reasons why I do that.
I realy don't have anything usefull to add to the thread just wanted to say hello lol

Later...

You good sir are one of the bright sides with creep side, a little crazy but very good for creep side now if alot more took that think you'd be suprised how many freeps would die(I know i use to do the same thing)

Well, Elmo yet again you have managed topoint out the obvious, Bad leadership creeps fail and the blame at Oc,
Almost everytime Unforgiven tries to move the fight, taking keeps ect. The freeps dont care!! Oc is like an addictive drug to them, I dont really give a rats butt youblamming me for bad leadership and giving creeps bad advice, what it boils down to is just this, New creeps mimic freeps reaction 95% of creeps are guess what you got it right son, FREEPS FREEPS FREEPS maybe someone should sit down with the FREEPS on freep side and explain things to them, When you lay blame on CREEPS your blamind approx 5% of pvmp population 95% are freeps either way you flip it, at 1 time we might have 12 in raid/group 2 mins later maybe about 5-6 Why you ask yourself, well mainly because freeps have this I need to win so whatever side maybe winning at the time well, You do the moors math, and I dont mean moors math Do you realize my zerg as you FREEPS call it consist of approx 7-9 poeple in it, and why do you think this well man its because we do actually group, rarely do we run solo, Remember it is what it is, you send pets saying were hiding in npcs and you sir send in cowering In TA , nough said.






Love you ALL always

Love your forever Skullbashin

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I try not to think about it.

If freeps are outnumbered, and you want to move a fight, the best idea is definitely not to ninja all keeps and make freeps run a red map outnumbered. When serious freeps want to move a fight, we rush a keep and take the fight to a RED KEEP, we dont make the map blue and start zerging all of you (i meant serious pvpers, not flippers).
So, want a fight? Make us defend a keep of ours, or whatever. The only thing that can happen when you hide inside TA and got a raid going is getting 5 or 10 infamy per kill (NPCs get a good share, im sure of that =P gratz ongburz archer on r15!!!) while i crazily charge you, kill one or 2, get my 200 renown and die. By the end of the day, im ranking much faster than any of you, because a zergball is not the most efficient way to get points.
I may say that because i started pvping in december and im already r11, noroth plays his BA solo most of the time and is r11 in what, a year?
Thats something to consider...
Keep coming, keep dying, i want my r12 and purple horse.
Die creeps, die =P

Originally Posted by STRIPES4EVER

Well, Elmo yet again you have managed topoint out the obvious, Bad leadership creeps fail and the blame at Oc,
Almost everytime Unforgiven tries to move the fight, taking keeps ect. The freeps dont care!! Oc is like an addictive drug to them, I dont really give a rats butt youblamming me for bad leadership and giving creeps bad advice, what it boils down to is just this, New creeps mimic freeps reaction 95% of creeps are guess what you got it right son, FREEPS FREEPS FREEPS maybe someone should sit down with the FREEPS on freep side and explain things to them, When you lay blame on CREEPS your blamind approx 5% of pvmp population 95% are freeps either way you flip it, at 1 time we might have 12 in raid/group 2 mins later maybe about 5-6 Why you ask yourself, well mainly because freeps have this I need to win so whatever side maybe winning at the time well, You do the moors math, and I dont mean moors math Do you realize my zerg as you FREEPS call it consist of approx 7-9 poeple in it, and why do you think this well man its because we do actually group, rarely do we run solo, Remember it is what it is, you send pets saying were hiding in npcs and you sir send in cowering In TA , nough said.






Love you ALL always

Love your forever Skullbashin

I am Skullbashin and I approve this message

Did you even read what i said? Really think you need to go back and re-read it

1. I blamed Both sides for the problems with PVP and i blamed freeps even more.

2. I didnt point you out but if you think you're one of the problems then maybe you are

3. Comparing yourself to me is a joke considering i DONT have personal WL's to bubble me nor do i have a defiler for hots, i come out and pvp and the majority of the time its a 2 person group and comparing a RK healing to 3 of your healers would be a joke.



Next time before you get all bent learn to read and maybe you'll understand what im talking about Drinking i mean Skully.



My word is "LAW"

Originally Posted by MrGuidi

If freeps are outnumbered, and you want to move a fight, the best idea is definitely not to ninja all keeps and make freeps run a red map outnumbered. When serious freeps want to move a fight, we rush a keep and take the fight to a RED KEEP, we dont make the map blue and start zerging all of you (i meant serious pvpers, not flippers).
So, want a fight? Make us defend a keep of ours, or whatever. The only thing that can happen when you hide inside TA and got a raid going is getting 5 or 10 infamy per kill (NPCs get a good share, im sure of that =P gratz ongburz archer on r15!!!) while i crazily charge you, kill one or 2, get my 200 renown and die. By the end of the day, im ranking much faster than any of you, because a zergball is not the most efficient way to get points.
I may say that because i started pvping in december and im already r11, noroth plays his BA solo most of the time and is r11 in what, a year?
Thats something to consider...
Keep coming, keep dying, i want my r12 and purple horse.
Die creeps, die =P

Dude what are you saying you're making to much sense.

Love you too elmo xD

Originally Posted by MrGuidi

If freeps are outnumbered, and you want to move a fight, the best idea is definitely not to ninja all keeps and make freeps run a red map outnumbered. When serious freeps want to move a fight, we rush a keep and take the fight to a RED KEEP, we dont make the map blue and start zerging all of you (i meant serious pvpers, not flippers).
So, want a fight? Make us defend a keep of ours, or whatever. The only thing that can happen when you hide inside TA and got a raid going is getting 5 or 10 infamy per kill (NPCs get a good share, im sure of that =P gratz ongburz archer on r15!!!) while i crazily charge you, kill one or 2, get my 200 renown and die. By the end of the day, im ranking much faster than any of you, because a zergball is not the most efficient way to get points.
I may say that because i started pvping in december and im already r11, noroth plays his BA solo most of the time and is r11 in what, a year?
Thats something to consider...
Keep coming, keep dying, i want my r12 and purple horse.
Die creeps, die =P

Or it could be you play a champion, just sayin. Oh we only ninja keeps when freeps are lolly gagging around rez for more then an hour :P

not talking bout you and the ppl u usually group up jekka...
and about playing a champion, jst check noroth and gromgoth: both can make more infamy in a single day than i can make renown, and they play BAs, not champions =p
noroth charged TA alone, with all NPCs on him + 4 freeps and killed kaco, he is mostly solo and doesnt need a zerg to get 10k+ infamy on a single day =) and we are not talking about how overpower class A or B is, we are talking about nonsense moors behaviour

Originally Posted by MrGuidi

not talking bout you and the ppl u usually group up jekka...
and about playing a champion, jst check noroth and gromgoth: both can make more infamy in a single day than i can make renown, and they play BAs, not champions =p
noroth charged TA alone, with all NPCs on him + 4 freeps and killed kaco, he is mostly solo and doesnt need a zerg to get 10k+ infamy on a single day =) and we are not talking about how overpower class A or B is, we are talking about nonsense moors behaviour

True story when i played my BA i use to crank in it everyday not because i was OP because i wasnt afraid to die and charged all the time.


Back on topic please

Originally Posted by MrGuidi

not talking bout you and the ppl u usually group up jekka...
and about playing a champion, jst check noroth and gromgoth: both can make more infamy in a single day than i can make renown, and they play BAs, not champions =p
noroth charged TA alone, with all NPCs on him + 4 freeps and killed kaco, he is mostly solo and doesnt need a zerg to get 10k+ infamy on a single day =) and we are not talking about how overpower class A or B is, we are talking about nonsense moors behaviour

It's easy to get high amounts of inf when you're not grouped...I easily pull off 1k in an 1/2 hour solo. We all know this because the more dmg you do solo the more inf you get no matter who gets the kill. Yet, that for me (and most, not all, but most) gets kinda boring, we like to group and be with ppl. I've watched, well, we are not supposed to name names...so, champs, gaurds, even some RKs and minis, way too many times run into TA/OC, every single mob on them, fast feet it if they have, bubble, kill me (or some other poor creep in their sights) in three or four hits and run off unscathed...both sides can do it if you pick the right target.

What I would like to know is, since when was being in a group of 6-10 ppl a zerg? Moors math works well here. I have been in these so called zergs and the avg number of the group or raid is 6-10 (didn't know that under 12 was a raid, at that 12 is only 1/2 a raid)...suddenly we're called a zerg because we flank and wipe a true zerg (which it is, because most aren't grouped, they hang out and stare at OC/WB/Rez) that's forcing an OC/WB/Rez camp. Some of us don't and won't be part of that OC/WB/Rez camp and we move around, but we're a zerg because we refuse to be camped!? I've literally heard a freep tell us we suck because we have to group, we shouldn't group...what!? We aren't allowed to group up anymore? We all have to run solo ... or duo ...? Is it our fault you ran across us as a solo player and we have a group? I can't count the times 6 or more freeps have run across me and took me out in a matter of seconds...it's part of the game, no need to QQ about it...OMG I died in the Moors!!!

Yet group vs group, raid vs raid...that is what this PvMP is supposed to be about isn't it? If you happen to get a spontaneous 1v1 cool, yet this PvP system was set up a lot different and for the most part it takes two or more creeps to beat a good freep...be honest you know it's true. I have seen similar posts on other sever's forums, freeps asking why creeps always group up and run around together...they get the same answer...what's wrong with us grouping and if you know there's a group out, stay outta the way until you have a group and don't feed them free inf.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

It's easy to get high amounts of inf when you're not grouped...I easily pull off 1k in an 1/2 hour solo. We all know this because the more dmg you do solo the more inf you get no matter who gets the kill. Yet, that for me (and most, not all, but most) gets kinda boring, we like to group and be with ppl. I've watched, well, we are not supposed to name names...so, champs, gaurds, even some RKs and minis, way too many times run into TA/OC, every single mob on them, fast feet it if they have, bubble, kill me (or some other poor creep in their sights) in three or four hits and run off unscathed...both sides can do it if you pick the right target.

What I would like to know is, since when was being in a group of 6-10 ppl a zerg? Moors math works well here. I have been in these so called zergs and the avg number of the group or raid is 6-10 (didn't know that under 12 was a raid, at that 12 is only 1/2 a raid)...suddenly we're called a zerg because we flank and wipe a true zerg (which it is, because most aren't grouped, they hang out and stare at OC/WB/Rez) that's forcing an OC/WB/Rez camp. Some of us don't and won't be part of that OC/WB/Rez camp and we move around, but we're a zerg because we refuse to be camped!? I've literally heard a freep tell us we suck because we have to group, we shouldn't group...what!? We aren't allowed to group up anymore? We all have to run solo ... or duo ...? Is it our fault you ran across us as a solo player and we have a group? I can't count the times 6 or more freeps have run across me and took me out in a matter of seconds...it's part of the game, no need to QQ about it...OMG I died in the Moors!!!

Yet group vs group, raid vs raid...that is what this PvMP is supposed to be about isn't it? If you happen to get a spontaneous 1v1 cool, yet this PvP system was set up a lot different and for the most part it takes two or more creeps to beat a good freep...be honest you know it's true. I have seen similar posts on other sever's forums, freeps asking why creeps always group up and run around together...they get the same answer...what's wrong with us grouping and if you know there's a group out, stay outta the way until you have a group and don't feed them free inf.

I wouldn't call you a zerg because you move around etc. But the fight that happened in lugs that night was in fact you guys plus all the other ungrouped creeps that show up. Thats usually when the name zerg gets thrown out there from myself anyways.

I personally prefer small groups up to abut 6 people but I wouldn't call a raid a zerg. Nor do I have a problem with creeps grouping. Its when its all sitting and staring places then zerging through and running back (and yes I blame the freeps often for this)The term zerg is way overused. However, there were more than a few times the other night when our group was in lugs with 10 tops that I felt zerged because your raid plus all the other creeps that showed up. Not your fault just explaining what I view as a zerg. I also tend to view the TA rush as a circle zerg rushing (which I think is what zerging actually mean, its a rush) through a keep with whatever numbers you have (which is usually more at the time) just to kill all those inside then jump out. Kinda like when freeps zerg OC. People have different definitions but my problem is not with people grouping, its the stagnant boring ### pvp camp fests which both sides hold responsibility for.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

It's easy to get high amounts of inf when you're not grouped...I easily pull off 1k in an 1/2 hour solo. We all know this because the more dmg you do solo the more inf you get no matter who gets the kill. Yet, that for me (and most, not all, but most) gets kinda boring, we like to group and be with ppl. I've watched, well, we are not supposed to name names...so, champs, gaurds, even some RKs and minis, way too many times run into TA/OC, every single mob on them, fast feet it if they have, bubble, kill me (or some other poor creep in their sights) in three or four hits and run off unscathed...both sides can do it if you pick the right target.

What I would like to know is, since when was being in a group of 6-10 ppl a zerg? Moors math works well here. I have been in these so called zergs and the avg number of the group or raid is 6-10 (didn't know that under 12 was a raid, at that 12 is only 1/2 a raid)...suddenly we're called a zerg because we flank and wipe a true zerg (which it is, because most aren't grouped, they hang out and stare at OC/WB/Rez) that's forcing an OC/WB/Rez camp. Some of us don't and won't be part of that OC/WB/Rez camp and we move around, but we're a zerg because we refuse to be camped!? I've literally heard a freep tell us we suck because we have to group, we shouldn't group...what!? We aren't allowed to group up anymore? We all have to run solo ... or duo ...? Is it our fault you ran across us as a solo player and we have a group? I can't count the times 6 or more freeps have run across me and took me out in a matter of seconds...it's part of the game, no need to QQ about it...OMG I died in the Moors!!!

Yet group vs group, raid vs raid...that is what this PvMP is supposed to be about isn't it? If you happen to get a spontaneous 1v1 cool, yet this PvP system was set up a lot different and for the most part it takes two or more creeps to beat a good freep...be honest you know it's true. I have seen similar posts on other sever's forums, freeps asking why creeps always group up and run around together...they get the same answer...what's wrong with us grouping and if you know there's a group out, stay outta the way until you have a group and don't feed them free inf.

1. People generally call your group a zerg if they come across you solo and they tend to say" I just got zerged by the zerg"

2. I dont consider your group a zerg but you can be define as a zerg because of all the wargs/other creeps hang around you so thats where the term comes from

3. Yeah since when is grouping bad? LOL what a newb if MORE freeps grouped up they probably wouldnt die as much and complain as much

Soul you dont have to explain yourself because us true pvpers know you're not a zerger

Originally Posted by MrGuidi

not talking bout you and the ppl u usually group up jekka...
and about playing a champion, jst check noroth and gromgoth: both can make more infamy in a single day than i can make renown, and they play BAs, not champions =p
noroth charged TA alone, with all NPCs on him + 4 freeps and killed kaco, he is mostly solo and doesnt need a zerg to get 10k+ infamy on a single day =) and we are not talking about how overpower class A or B is, we are talking about nonsense moors behaviour

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

True story when i played my BA i use to crank in it everyday not because i was OP because i wasnt afraid to die and charged all the time.

Right. Playing BAs...

Even given my wildest wondering, I couldn't manage that on a defiler, nor could you do that on a WL, nor on a weaver and probably not on a reaver solo (reavers are just, well, broken).

As to the definition of a zerg...

Earlier today, there were two freeps at GTA 1v1ing. Again, just two freeps. Two creeps called them out (standing at the river's edge), and instead of managing them by themselves (which I would have done if i was so inclined against 1v1s at GTA - but I love me some good fisticuffs, the fairer the better) they waited until the horde arrived. Now that's a zerg. /discussion

As to being "zerged" - been there done it on both freep and creep. As to "zerging" - ditto. And no tears shed.

Originally Posted by sunnycrest

Right. Playing BAs...

Even given my wildest wondering, I couldn't manage that on a defiler, nor could you do that on a WL, nor on a weaver and probably not on a reaver solo (reavers are just, well, broken).

As to the definition of a zerg...

Earlier today, there were two freeps at GTA 1v1ing. Again, just two freeps. Two creeps called them out (standing at the river's edge), and instead of managing them by themselves (which I would have done if i was so inclined against 1v1s at GTA - but I love me some good fisticuffs, the fairer the better) they waited until the horde arrived. Now that's a zerg. /discussion

As to being "zerged" - been there done it on both freep and creep. As to "zerging" - ditto. And no tears shed.

Yeah in the past my Spider has gotten over 10k in a day solo but todays broken spider i dont think it could be done

LOL at Gta thats the norm

Im not saying a creep must play alone, im giving extreme examples on creeps who can handle the moors by themselves and get decent infamy. The main point here is, you dont need a 15man group of creeps to fight 6 freeps, even less u should hide in TA with these numbers.
Nuff said.

Sitting at TA lawn with this "group" of 6-10 for a good 15-20 minutes while freeps are on EC side of SB with the outnumbered buff. Do realize also, that whilst your group sits there, other creeps also sit there following the precident, though a decent amount did bring the fight to the outnumbered freeps.

Responding to a noob's cry for help at the rez over a burglar by first trying to 1v1, turning into a 2v1 with the warg, turning into a raid coming in just in time to save the day. (You must consider me to be quite a threat if you need all that, or maybe... it was zerging.)

Continued sitting at TA, with the occasional heading over to rez to kill solo burgs.

And finally, seeing me at WB, chasing to Dwarf Camp, from there to lugs, from there to DG. With this group of 6-10. If you don't consider all that "zerging" for a single burglar that has pissed your pathetic *** off, then lol @ you.

From yesterday's play, all I could conclude Unforgiven's group/raid does is sit at TA lawn, push when freeps come over then run back, kill rez campers with said full group, to some extent rez camp themselves, and eventually push keeps when freeps stop showing up at TA lawn. Oh and I mustn't forget the chasing of those who have upset Skullbashin's delicate feelings.

Maybe I'll chalk it up to there not being much to flank, but still. That chase scene was pretty funny last night. Define what terminology you'd use for that, please (since you don't zerg).

Originally Posted by Lioncourt86

Sitting at TA lawn with this "group" of 6-10 for a good 15-20 minutes while freeps are on EC side of SB with the outnumbered buff. Do realize also, that whilst your group sits there, other creeps also sit there following the precident, though a decent amount did bring the fight to the outnumbered freeps.

Responding to a noob's cry for help at the rez over a burglar by first trying to 1v1, turning into a 2v1 with the warg, turning into a raid coming in just in time to save the day. (You must consider me to be quite a threat if you need all that, or maybe... it was zerging.)

Continued sitting at TA, with the occasional heading over to rez to kill solo burgs.

And finally, seeing me at WB, chasing to Dwarf Camp, from there to lugs, from there to DG. With this group of 6-10. If you don't consider all that "zerging" for a single burglar that has pissed your pathetic *** off, then lol @ you.

From yesterday's play, all I could conclude Unforgiven's group/raid does is sit at TA lawn, push when freeps come over then run back, kill rez campers with said full group, to some extent rez camp themselves, and eventually push keeps when freeps stop showing up at TA lawn. Oh and I mustn't forget the chasing of those who have upset Skullbashin's delicate feelings.

Maybe I'll chalk it up to there not being much to flank, but still. That chase scene was pretty funny last night. Define what terminology you'd use for that, please (since you don't zerg).

1st, you were stopping two ppl in the group from getting to the group, rez campers are never left alone, not on either side if I remeber correctly. 2nd, that was never a 1v1, Skully just happened to get there first while the rest came over, 3rd, you're in the moors, get over it and stop QQin about OMG I DIED IN THE MOORS! Then to flip and cry about it for over an hour...OMG how many times have I been zerged ... alone ... by 6 or more freeps but I chalk it up to, it's the MOORS! 4th, if you don't like tactical situations rather than the freeps pwning the creeps at OC/Wb/Rez...well, wow, that's just too bad, we're not here to lie down and die for you...

Originally Posted by MrGuidi

Im not saying a creep must play alone, im giving extreme examples on creeps who can handle the moors by themselves and get decent infamy. The main point here is, you don’t need a 15man group of creeps to fight 6 freeps, even less u should hide in TA with these numbers.
Nuff said.

Any creep can handle the moors alone, like I said, it's not hard to gold tag or rush in and kill the right classe(s). Oh, and look here and tell me who's been getting the most renown/Inf and look at the past too... http://dailystats.theblackappendage....day?w=Meneldor

Tell me one class that can rush in and kill, say...you? There isn't one. Let's look at other areas...take a certain warden, literally 20 creeps on him and he doesn't die, can solo keeps, yeah, that's balance. How about a certain mini who rarely dies, brands, can't really touch him. How about a few certain guards who run around until it's time to fast feet it out and rarely die or how about those stun and done burgs, and if they can't they just hip and are gone (yeah, just like wargs) or stunning RKs that rush in, AoE stun, throw one ceaseless argument and an EC on ya and yer done, there's more, want me to go on?

Here's a perfect scenario - Let's take a cretain champ I know...takes at least 2 - 3 good creeps a lone just to beat him, throw a healer in, two or more creeps (ok, now were looking at a min 2v4 for creeps to win)...add one or two more freeps and you have to have at least 6-8 creeps to fight, that's just the way the game is. We have to even number or more the freeps to even have a chance, like it or not it's the truth.

Secondly, again, we do not run around in a raid of 15 or more lol...our max numbers are 9 most of the time (are there gold taggers, yeah...what are we supposed to do, tell them not to follow us? How many Freeps are actually grouped I ask, or do you for the most part just follow each other around, maybe a small group here and there, the latter I think...actually, I know, I used to freep). Again, as well, we do not sit in keeps/OC/Rez/Grams...I will not be camped and my groups (Skully's too) will move around and flank, come from behind, etc...to try and change things up. So, now because we use tactics and won't sit in one palce and be farmed, we're a 15 man raid that goes around zerging!? Really!? Man, I long for the days of the real PvP Meneldor when a raid was 24 people and you actually had to fight to take keeps, fight to move...24 man raids didn't ensure a win on either side either...fights were fights and no one complained about a 6 - 9 person group running around lol. I guess it is what it is...

Pretty much agree with what Soul said. Basically, this is a game, plain and simple. Everyone does what they do in the moors to have fun, whatever it is. Yeah, I've been zergged plenty of times on my creep and with other creeps watching and not doing anything... meh, it happens and who am I or anyone else to tell them or anyone else how to have fun. Just because their way of having fun differs from yours justifies jumping to the other side and complain and name call... that I don't think I'll ever see. If you don't like how things are at one area, then go to another... if you get defeated by a group, then you do... it happens, it's the moors and characters do die. Either find a way to defeat them or go someplace else, but complaining about it... really?

Originally Posted by Skydawg

1st, you were stopping two ppl in the group from getting to the group, rez campers are never left alone, not on either side if I remeber correctly. 2nd, that was never a 1v1, Skully just happened to get there first while the rest came over, 3rd, you're in the moors, get over it and stop QQin about OMG I DIED IN THE MOORS! Then to flip and cry about it for over an hour...OMG how many times have I been zerged ... alone ... by 6 or more freeps but I chalk it up to, it's the MOORS! 4th, if you don't like tactical situations rather than the freeps pwning the creeps at OC/Wb/Rez...well, wow, that's just too bad, we're not here to lie down and die for you...

I'm not sure how many times I've said I didn't care about dying, but that what's bothering me is that it's dumb that someone preaching that they're constantly trying to move fights and make PvP better is really just sitting at TA lawn and killing rez campers with his group. Please try to follow the context of my "QQing" if you want to combat it.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

Secondly, again, we do not run around in a raid of 15 or more lol...our max numbers are 9 most of the time (are there gold taggers, yeah...what are we supposed to do, tell them not to follow us? How many Freeps are actually grouped I ask, or do you for the most part just follow each other around, maybe a small group here and there, the latter I think...actually, I know, I used to freep). Again, as well, we do not sit in keeps/OC/Rez/Grams...I will not be camped and my groups (Skully's too) will move around and flank, come from behind, etc...to try and change things up. So, now because we use tactics and won't sit in one palce and be farmed, we're a 15 man raid that goes around zerging!? Really!? Man, I long for the days of the real PvP Meneldor when a raid was 24 people and you actually had to fight to take keeps, fight to move...24 man raids didn't ensure a win on either side either...fights were fights and no one complained about a 6 - 9 person group running around lol. I guess it is what it is...

Originally Posted by Lioncourt86

Sitting at TA lawn with this "group" of 6-10 for a good 15-20 minutes while freeps are on EC side of SB with the outnumbered buff. Do realize also, that whilst your group sits there, other creeps also sit there following the precident, though a decent amount did bring the fight to the outnumbered freeps.

Ummmmmm... ^ that's pretty much what happened the majority of yesterday. While I realise freeps eventually did gain numbers throughout the day, Skullbashin still didn't "move" the fight that much, except for the occasional push over SB, camp at WH, and I think they pushed TR once or twice (then returned to TA).

Originally Posted by Lioncourt86

Maybe I'll chalk it up to there not being much to flank, but still. That chase scene was pretty funny last night. Define what terminology you'd use for that, please (since you don't zerg).

^ This was never addressed. How is that a good use of a group to improve PvP? Yeah, it's not.

Not gonna bother with quoting...rez campers get ganked, don't friggin rez camp if you don't wanna "OMG Die in the Moors"...I followed your "train of thought" and the train derailed last night when you flipped to QQ about one little death because you're ganking greenies...and I guess you really weren't payin too much attn, at least when I was on, we never stopped moving...hmm...done, this whole thing is ridiculous...

And, OMG I just died in the moors to a zerg of freeps who ran in TA, killed me and ran out...but Freeps don't do that eh LOL...(seriously, I did...hehe...)

Back to playing...see you out there.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

Not gonna bother with quoting...rez campers get ganked, don't friggin rez camp if you don't wanna "OMG Die in the Moors"...I followed your "train of thought" and the train derailed last night when you flipped to QQ about one little death because you're ganking greenies...and I guess you really weren't payin too much attn, at least when I was on, we never stopped moving...hmm...done, this whole thing is ridiculous...

Back to playing...see you out there.

It's hard to explain my point of view on the matter and the contributing factors that provoked me to come over and troll, and at this point I give up trying to explain it. I don't feel like I was being irrational in my arguement and still don't, but for the sake of ending the constant repetition of myself to people who refuse to believe they're ever in the wrong or look from another perspective... I shall stop.

But even still, today so far it's been a WTA/OC fight and I haven't really seen any flanks or anything noteworthy for that matter. (aside from Healz and Canthulkthis's 2-man heal squad. /props)

Originally Posted by Skydawg

And, OMG I just died in the moors to a zerg of freeps who ran in TA, killed me and ran out...but Freeps don't do that eh LOL...(seriously, I did...hehe...)

I had an entire zerg, (term used correctly, there were ALOT including Skullbashin n company) chase my RK from WB to the top of TA. They ran out also, only I didn't die... /heropose

I died all the time because i dont have a Pocket captain/minny or 2WL/defilers im just a lonely LM

Bottom line is this: all is fair in love and war, and that goes doubly so for the 'moors.

Never expect anyone else, on either side, to hold to your ideas of fair play or integrity - you'll be sorely disappointed.

Been doing the solo defiler (I know, I know... it's a terribad class to solo on) routine today, and I've been getting blown up every which way imaginable. Every time I think I've got a good 1v1 fight in the making, it's zerganked.

It is what it is.

Serenity now...

Originally Posted by Lioncourt86

I had an entire zerg, (term used correctly, there were ALOT including Skullbashin n company) chase my RK from WB to the top of TA. They ran out also, only I didn't die... /heropose

This is why you never die...you run...and um, that zerg, was chasing a freep zerg mmhmm...

See, here's where we can't win for losing...we get called a zergball if we move, we get called chumps if we don't push, we get called a zerg if we do push and run through TA. Today, as I sat and thought on this, logged on, and found all the creepies living at OC letting themsevles get camped, I thought self, let's push back to TA. Then I thought wait, someone will QQ on the boards because we pushed from OC into TA...yet there it is, if we didn't, someone will QQ that we didn't push...and if we move around, someone will QQ we didn't move around...and, someone did...LOL, just sayin. Bai bai!

Originally Posted by Skydawg

This is why you never die...you run...and um, that zerg, was chasing a freep zerg mmhmm...

See, here's where we can't win for losing...we get called a zergball if we move, we get called chumps if we don't push, we get called a zerg if we do push and run through TA. Today, as I sat and thought on this, logged on, and found all the creepies living at OC letting themsevles get camped, I thought self, let's push back to TA. Then I thought wait, someone will QQ on the boards because we pushed from OC into TA...yet there it is, if we didn't, someone will QQ that we didn't push...and if we move around, someone will QQ we didn't move around...and, someone did...LOL, just sayin. Bai bai!

Don't base ANY decisions you make on what people will say about it later. You'll find your game time much more enjoyable that way. People will always have something to QQ about. Learning to ignore it is the way to happiness.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

This is why you never die...you run...and um, that zerg, was chasing a freep zerg mmhmm...

See, here's where we can't win for losing...we get called a zergball if we move, we get called chumps if we don't push, we get called a zerg if we do push and run through TA. Today, as I sat and thought on this, logged on, and found all the creepies living at OC letting themsevles get camped, I thought self, let's push back to TA. Then I thought wait, someone will QQ on the boards because we pushed from OC into TA...yet there it is, if we didn't, someone will QQ that we didn't push...and if we move around, someone will QQ we didn't move around...and, someone did...LOL, just sayin. Bai bai!

Well why'll your into pushing can you go to the local store and push a cart around and pick up the cheetos you stole from me and replace them?????


BTW No Soul in Skullys group today 4freeps - 11creeps around him and he wouldnt push us he hid in the tree at LC, soooo that is why some people call him out


Oh i am serious about my CHEETOS i want them back

Originally Posted by sunnycrest

Bottom line is this: all is fair in love and war, and that goes doubly so for the 'moors.

Never expect anyone else, on either side, to hold to your ideas of fair play or integrity - you'll be sorely disappointed.

Been doing the solo defiler (I know, I know... it's a terribad class to solo on) routine today, and I've been getting blown up every which way imaginable. Every time I think I've got a good 1v1 fight in the making, it's zerganked.

It is what it is.

Serenity now...

This.

I used to play freepside last year and I heard the same groaning in OOC there that I hear on the creepside. Bottom line, I think we're all going to be annoyed with the other side anytime we get defeated. What's the answer? I don't know; there probably isn't one.

Oh, and Dirtymike deserves to get zerganked because I can NEVER beat him in a 1v1.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

This is why you never die...you run...and um, that zerg, was chasing a freep zerg mmhmm...

See, here's where we can't win for losing...we get called a zergball if we move, we get called chumps if we don't push, we get called a zerg if we do push and run through TA. Today, as I sat and thought on this, logged on, and found all the creepies living at OC letting themsevles get camped, I thought self, let's push back to TA. Then I thought wait, someone will QQ on the boards because we pushed from OC into TA...yet there it is, if we didn't, someone will QQ that we didn't push...and if we move around, someone will QQ we didn't move around...and, someone did...LOL, just sayin. Bai bai!

Why on earth wouldn't I run?!? Do you know how many people run and still die? Most everyone! I don't die because RK self-heals are OP!

And Elmo's pretty spot on. There were about 4, maybe 6 including any stealth of us at EC XR and Skull's group/out of group followers counted to 11. They wouldn't push us.

I understand your frustration and will respond with a story. I appologize if it ends up taking a while:

Once upon a time, there was a tribe. The tribe was feared by any and every freep, whether they admitted it or not. The young freeps hated them, but the veterens for the most part respected them. They were Dark Impulse.

Not to be confused with the Dark Impulse of today, a former shade of itself, the Golden days of DI occured about a year and a half ago. It consisted of Mata, Leodush, Ukrush, Gothnon, Adieu, Arrowndface, Daflash (my hunk of a reaver), Illgnawyourbones, and some other recruits that were deemed to show potential.

They all knew their individual classes to a tee, and were considered the best of their time by many. And when such a group of skilled individuals united into one force they were terrifying.

But just how did they instill fear, rather than laughter you ask?

Their tactic was simple; they grouped up, roamed about for a bit until they knew where the main fight was happening. Then they simply flanked from a side or behind.

Now you might ask, can't anyone do that? What's so special about that?

What set them apart is their ability to conquer greater numbers, when generally consisting of 6 at most, most of the time. They were experienced to the point where they didn't have to call out what was happening, they could just react; and their reactions were deadly.

But the thing that set them apart was their playstyle. They always stayed until the very last death.

Be it in twice or three times their numbers, enemy npcs or open field, they chose a target charged and all hell broke loose. They killed many, until the valient warriors themselves were brought down. They didn't care; each individual felt no remorse for death. Ukrush even boasted at times of having the most deaths on the server, if not in the game.

Their opponents wouldn't leave the keep the entire night? It mattered not. They were unrelenting, and even when getting killed more than killing, they still killed. Nowhere was ever safe, and the free peoples knew it. But they also knew that when they came, they'd either get kills or be killed. And that expectation was always prefered over standoffs.

When they died they simply reformed, moved, and flanked again. No matter how many, no matter the situation. In it for the kills, in it for the chaos, in it for the challenge, in it for the friends and laughs, and in it to the death.

The End.

And I realise you weren't around for that Soul, so I can't blame you for that.

But that's the kind of creepside I played until R9 on my reaver to, before any of us could buy skills either to be more impressive. They were some of the best times I've ever had in the game, so when I see what creepside has become since our seperation it bothers me more than you understand.

Whenever I was on my hunter and my DI buddies were online I never felt truly safe, no matter how many freeps or npcs surrounded me.

Hopefully that small insight to what I was used to helps you understand my frustration; I'm not saying you or anyone should play that way.

Originally Posted by Erilor

This.

I used to play freepside last year and I heard the same groaning in OOC there that I hear on the creepside. Bottom line, I think we're all going to be annoyed with the other side anytime we get defeated. What's the answer? I don't know; there probably isn't one.

Oh, and Dirtymike deserves to get zerganked because I can NEVER beat him in a 1v1.

I agree with you sir, but the answer probably is just stand there and take it if you get ganked, its normal in the moors, its not an area were there are people who are always grouped, some people roam alone some roam grouped, if you die rez back find a way to fight back instead of rage quitting, this is the problem in this server, lots of people only see the opness of a zerg or a freep but does not know the meaning of rezzing back and working hard to fight back

I am pretty oh so pretty


OBTW Bel to correct you a little the REV never , EVER fear DI in their prime but yes we did respect them and yes they were the best of the best of that time in this game, probably the best ive seen a small group of creeps play and we have had a few of those since ive started pvping.

We've lost against them and won against them and that what happens when you put to groups together who work well with each other, its always a back and forth battle.


But todays pvp Meh it is what it is



OH and did i mention i am pretty oh so pretty

Freeps have the outnumbered buff and creeps sitting at EC oh and those creeps lead by Skully YEAH great leader LOL


BTW im still sooooooooooooo pretty

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

Freeps have the outnumbered buff and creeps sitting at EC oh and those creeps lead by Skully YEAH great leader LOL


BTW im still sooooooooooooo pretty

But the thing I don't understand is, why the freeps run back to EC when they die? (Im assuming creeps have both TR and Lugz)
It just doesnt make sense to me, running there even though you know you will die over and over again. If I were leading a group, I would the freeps across TA water (Eastern side) and ambush the creeps from behind.
But for some reason, both creeps and freeps don't like to shake things up a bit.