Thema: Changes to the Moors with RoR

From the RoR community Q&A with Aaron Campbell:
Q-Will there be any changes to PvMP, and if so, what kinds?

A-PvMP is getting a pretty substantial content update; we're reworking the Ettenmoors capture mechanics to focus your rewards around killing other players – not killing NPCs

this should be interesting......

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From the RoR community Q&A with Aaron Campbell:
Q-Will there be any changes to PvMP, and if so, what kinds?

A-PvMP is getting a pretty substantial content update; we're reworking the Ettenmoors capture mechanics to focus your rewards around killing other players – not killing NPCs

Odds are, they're gonna say on september 4th "Well, we tried our super-hardest to update pvmp, but it's taking time, thanks for being patient, but nothings changed except that freeps got update...."

What they meant was

"We are giving creeps a bit of morale and another bird"

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What they meant was

"We are giving creeps a bit of morale and another bird"

there better be a tree with that bird...

i think the update is nerfing the bird so it only has .5 morale and no longer has a tree and a rock, only a rock.
Well done turblind.

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That looks like my warg when i see a burg :/

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For some odd reason, I have a bad feeling about this......

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From the RoR community Q&A with Aaron Campbell:
Q-Will there be any changes to PvMP, and if so, what kinds?

A-PvMP is getting a pretty substantial content update; we're reworking the Ettenmoors capture mechanics to focus your rewards around killing other players – not killing NPCs

We all didnt hear that already the last 4 years right? Basic Turbine Strategy,and it works... The new map that has been announced a few times till now,always close to a new xpac. Then never came.

Also,it just sounds as if they would make taking keeps in the moors less rewarding,to me its like : hey we break it,so we can fix it after and say we reworked it.

I really wish all everone that cares about pvmp out there,that this time TB does something,and does it right.. I myself dont believe it anymore.

How many times, how long ago, was that new PvP area supposed to be released? ROFLCOPTERSfailturbine.
Btw, the "update" will boost commendation gained from killing lower ranked creeps/freeps, but not higher ranks. Zergs highly recommended.

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From the RoR community Q&A with Aaron Campbell:
Q-Will there be any changes to PvMP, and if so, what kinds?

A-PvMP is getting a pretty substantial content update; we're reworking the Ettenmoors capture mechanics to focus your rewards around killing other players – not killing NPCs

All I can see here is that we will be getting a comm/inf bonus if bird is still alive while killing freeps/creeps in a 100-meter vicinity. Sounds awesome .

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Expanded Monster Play – LOTRO’s monster play system will get a major revamp including opening up the feature to all players, changes to monster player skills and advancement and a brand new region for players to battle for or against the forces of evil.


Courtesy of Isengard!

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For some odd reason, I have a bad feeling about this......

The hippo or the update?

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We all didnt hear that already the last 4 years right? Basic Turbine Strategy,and it works... The new map that has been announced a few times till now,always close to a new xpac. Then never came...

Personally, I have given up all hope for PvP in LOTRO but...there may be a possibility that something will happen Re: PvP this time simply because GW2, essentially a PvP game....oh i can even be bothered to finish typing this.

B.S Once again...
Come STRAIGHT.

I think RoR is gonna be great for the moors...ROFLMAO LOL LOL LOL. Couldn't hold a straight face.

Probably couldn't be any more vague or disinteresting if they tried

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I think RoR is gonna be great for the moors...ROFLMAO LOL LOL LOL. Couldn't hold a straight face.

Yeah I know, I thought I'd maybe found a slim line of logic, then realised what game this is.
*Heads to back of class*
*I should know better. I should know better...*

They still refuse to answer the most important question.
-Moors balance?

Creeps will get a bump on pots up to 15 per stack...then they'll cut that down to 7, and then back to 15...

Gut Out!

They will probably do something really interesting and radical, like....

Reintroduce hotspots (actually that might be a good thing)

Buff and Nerf one side or the other or certain classes wildly, maybe turn everything upside down so Creeps will be OP for a while.

OP classes on both sides get nerfed and weaker ones become OP - until the first update after when after the whining on the forums they will claw back lots of the radical changes...

Of course their balance will be based upon unplaytested changes, ready rolled Freeps on Bullroarer and will not take into account new stats, gear traits etc and however they think it will balance will soon go wildly wrong after a few months.

They will also promise another PvP map which will not be there on Launch.

Thats because they really are saving it for a later Rohan update, with Helms Deep and the Paths of the Dead Instance Cluster update, honestly... It really will be there... oh um sorry its been postponed again....

Basically the same as every other update for PvP!

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I've heard this before, I think I'll remain skeptical at best:
Expanded Monster Play – LOTRO’s monster play system will get a major revamp including opening up the feature to all players, changes to monster player skills and advancement and a brand new region for players to battle for or against the forces of evil.

Courtesy of Isengard!

Technically this is not a TOTAL lie. There was a major revamp of a lot of classes including changes to skills and advancement, the moors was opened to all players as far as very, very, weak cannon fodder freavers (although for 7 bucks you could buy any creep class and play). The only thing that they have put off indefinitely is the new zone.

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Technically this is not a TOTAL lie. There was a major revamp of a lot of classes including changes to skills and advancement, the moors was opened to all players as far as very, very, weak cannon fodder freavers (although for 7 bucks you could buy any creep class and play). The only thing that they have put off indefinitely is the new zone.

You mean the only thing they put off that people REALLY wanted? The revamp was nice, but I would have preferred a new zone with better dynamics and fixes over more bugs and skills, and so would many of the folks I know. It was the whole reason we bought the expAnsion in the first place. I won't be buying anything this time, until I see what comes out of it. *shrug* Turbine have consistently made poor choices with PvP, or done nothing at all. My skepticism is warranted.

I just hope they do something cool again like destroy creep mitigations, promise to fix them in several weeks time, fail the fix because not a single developer spends 60 seconds testing anything he works on when it's creep related, then wait weeks to finally get an actual fix in place.

Mind boggling how people care so much about a new map, so much so in fact that they would take a map over improving PvP.

Someone name one game that the number of PvP areas available effects PvP. The fastest/easiest maps are always chosen if they involve objective based bonuses (damn near all maps in other MMOs) and maps that people are meant to just PvP in on their own without objectives as incentives get shrunk down by the players to the point that only a small portion of the map is played on (just as the moors currently are).

The same people that care that much about a new map are IMO the same people who have mindlessly ground out slugs and DC for a solely cosmetic reward (some skins have tactical value but those are largely covered through the ranks).

After you take your time and name that one game from above, do me a favour and name a single game that has as much PvP diversity in a single (huge) zone.




I have a solution for those of you that can't believe Turbine hasn't launched a new map.

Buy a few pliable sheets of clear plastic and a pack of markers (washable! I don't think mommy will like you getting ink on your favourite drool cup). Then proceed to draw as many trees and rocks as you like. Don't forget perspective for a realistic look and always remember that "happy little trees" need friends. *PROTIP* if you colour the entire sheet blue it looks like you are... UNDERWATER!!!!

After you are satisfied with your "new map" staple it to your face.

My reason for a new map: I realise Turbine isn't going to fix half the issues that PvP has, so I'd rather take my broken WL that gets invincible bugs (gets kicked from the game for hours at a time), and at least get to die on some new patch of ground. Keeps have been the same stale mechanism for yonks, hotspots which actually encouraged open field fights were removed, and we have bugs that are YEARS old. If I have to lag on the same old servers, I'd like to at least enjoy a new bit of scenery. The vast majority of changes they have been making have pushed people into NPC based fights which has basically sucked the life out of enjoyable open field fights.

(Also, I don't want two maps, I want one to replace the Ettenmoors - we don't have the population for multiple maps unless they split it via level (40-70) and (71-80) maybe? Or whatever the new cap is!).

P.S. I haven't mindlessly sat and killed any NPCs for hours on end for anything. Further, if LOTRO is the shining star for PvP diversity, then I'm throwing the towel in now.

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From the RoR community Q&A with Aaron Campbell:
Q-Will there be any changes to PvMP, and if so, what kinds?

A-PvMP is getting a pretty substantial content update; we're reworking the Ettenmoors capture mechanics to focus your rewards around killing other players – not killing NPCs

Translation: stun/root pots, food and trackers previously available for gold now require commendations.

I think what they meant is that the bird will now be able to fly up and hover above creep players and drop loads of poop on our heads, courtesy of turbine.

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Creeps will get a bump on pots up to 15 per stack...then they'll cut that down to 7, and then back to 15...

Gut Out!

Lol we will probably get another bird....except this one will have the Sprint! Skill and HiPS.
Or maybe we will get more typo fixes.

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The hippo or the update?

The update. They always promise something good for PvP, but they don't deliver. Lol we are promised good PvP and a new map, all we get is lag and unbalanced PvP promoting PvE.

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Someone name one game that the number of PvP areas available effects PvP.

SWTOR. Players get bored fast if new warzones are not added.

Considering how badly the PvMP devs botched the commendation and Turbine's habit of telling us they are going to improve PvMP and then drop the ball, call me skeptical.

"Hi Skeptical."

Whoever came up with the comm system never tried building a creep from the ground up using the new system, or even crunch the math behind skill and trait cost. Now they have a new capture mechanic? Sounds like more wardens will solo cap keeps while a small knot of tactical/healing freeps will be able to keep a much larger creep group at bay.*

*yes, I know this is wild speculation... it's not like that already happens in the Moors. Oh, wait...

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SWTOR. Players get bored fast if new warzones are not added.

How exactly does that effect PvP? At most bored players cause longer queue times. The actual game play is the same in Novare Coast as it is in Huttball.

I'll give you a hint... there isn't one, not an MMO at least.

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Whoever came up with the comm system never tried building a creep from the ground up using the new system, or even crunch the math behind skill and trait cost.

Everything you need is there and it takes no more time than it did before, same priorities as the last 5 years. If you have an issue with that you need to look up how to start a creep properly.

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Now they have a new capture mechanic? Sounds like more wardens will solo cap keeps while a small knot of tactical/healing freeps will be able to keep a much larger creep group at bay.*

The number of classes that can't solo a keep is considerably lower than the number that can. WLs, defilers, wargs, spiders can all solo the same keeps that wardens can. Reaver should be able to as well depending on the keep with sufficient kiting and a few extra lucky GP crits.

Not even going to bother with the latter point.

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*yes, I know this is wild speculation... it's not like that already happens in the Moors. Oh, wait...

./learntoplay.

it's ok guys, they'll add a new pvp map eventually! i mean, it's not like they could have no plans for it in the near future after claiming they'd add one with isengard right?

Q: Will there be a new PVMP zone?
A: Not on the Road Map!

wait a second...

Q: Will there be revamping of PVMP Creep classes?
A: In time

ROFLMAO BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH AHAAAAAAA. Even that's a lie.

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it's ok guys, they'll add a new pvp map eventually! i mean, it's not like they could have no plans for it in the near future after claiming they'd add one with isengard right?


wait a second...

Yep they lied..
Hope they dont get into legal trouble.

From an recent interview.. http://cstm.mymiddleearth.com/2012/0...-from-e3-2012/

Q: Will there be a new PVMP zone?
A: Not on the Road Map!

Translation: Haha you idiots, give us your money, we will take it and give you guys few more birds.. that should cover up the PvMP for next few years!

I read that, and its honestly astounding how turbine keeps aying "talking with the community"..we have more interaction with the Bird than turbine.