Thread: Unbalanced: Two Updates Later, Beyond OP (the monotony of being a god)

Average r7 warg, maybe an AK fury pot to begin with would have helped (not really):



r10 about as skilled as they come:



r7 spider, I didn't bother with pots for his stun and root, letting him dot me up, his DPS couldn't keep up with passive Mini heals (notice the: +237, resist, -91):



Note: My gear isn't even done, don't have separate DPS/healing LIs yet, only have 1 star-lit crystal (not 6), 2nd agers not 1st, etc.

Wargs and spiders are the monster classes that have been most recently buffed, but not nearly enough just to keep up with the increase (*explosion*) in Freep power in U5, U6, and U7. The other classes have fallen even further behind.

I watched your fight with Maniia. If all you do is heal, there's very little a single creep class can do. I wouldn't fight a lolhealing warden or minstrel on my creeps either.

Working as intended.

You pretty much either need to nerf yourself or reroll if you're looking for something more challenging.

OMG Minis heal? Who would have known. Unreal.

I think what the OP is getting at is, time for a nerf on minis(oh and let me suggest the facerolling RKs) or a real even keel boost to certain creep classes.

Roll a hunter and run around solo and see how easy it is to "face roll".

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

I watched your fight with Maniia. If all you do is heal, there's very little a single creep class can do. I wouldn't fight a lolhealing warden or minstrel on my creeps either.

You know thats not the point right? Sometimes not fighting isn't an option. Mind you this is healing done in war speech, actual healing minnies, just plain ########.

LOL @ that first warg in your screenie. I was following him around last night. He fought every pet I threw at him.

Then, when he was gathering logs and branches, I'd mez him, then ninja the loot.


I'm so mean....poor fellah.

Originally Posted by soccercake7

LOL @ that first warg in your screenie. I was following him around last night. He fought every pet I threw at him.

Then, when he was gathering logs and branches, I'd mez him, then ninja the loot.


I'm so mean....poor fellah.

people think I play head games...

That top warg is a friend of mine. She hasnt played in awhile sort of rusty :P So SHAME on you fell for teasing her like that! -Haz

Originally Posted by Horrifying

That top warg is a friend of mine. She hasnt played in awhile sort of rusty :P So SHAME on you fell for teasing her like that! -Haz

You should tease Haz like that... i know I do :P

Originally Posted by oninoakuma

You should tease Haz like that... i know I do :P

Haha more like you steal my KBs :P -Haz

Originally Posted by Vongs666

Roll a hunter and run around solo and see how easy it is to "face roll".

Actually, I have a hunter and I know exactly where you're coming from.

-pup-

I look so pathetic when I'm dead.

To avoid sadness, I suggest freeps no longer kill me.

Originally Posted by loriendil

I look so pathetic when I'm dead.

To avoid sadness, I suggest freeps no longer kill me.

But you're about as skilled as they come!

I'd suggest this isn't an "explosion" of freep power so much as it's the case of minstrels, and in particular ALL defensive/healing builds being borked with regard to PvMP.

Are freeps in general more powerful...absolutely. Is comparing healing minis and shield wardens the most accurate example of freep/creep power imbalance? No. It's the most extreme example.

Show Maniia vs Budhorn. Lets call that an example of "balance". And your entire argument would be upside down.

Real simple

Stop healing in 1v1s.

Originally Posted by Treelios

Your SS are ####ing stupid.

Fine example of quality community and player base.

Originally Posted by Treelios

Your SS are ####ing stupid.

You smell funny.

Originally Posted by loriendil

You smell funny.

Yeah? Well you look like a candy cane warg.

Originally Posted by Thane9

I'd suggest this isn't an "explosion" of freep power so much as it's the case of minstrels, and in particular ALL defensive/healing builds being borked with regard to PvMP.

Are freeps in general more powerful...absolutely. Is comparing healing minis and shield wardens the most accurate example of freep/creep power imbalance? No. It's the most extreme example.

Show Maniia vs Budhorn. Lets call that an example of "balance". And your entire argument would be upside down.

Why budhorn? Shouldn't you suggest someone of equal skill to the warg? Wulfram and mManiia and that would be a good test. Heck, even budhorn admits he isn't that good. So pitting someone very good against someone, who self admittedly, says he is not very good isn't a good test.

Originally Posted by gleowine

Why budhorn? Shouldn't you suggest someone of equal skill to the warg? Wulfram and mManiia and that would be a good test. Heck, even budhorn admits he isn't that good. So pitting someone very good against someone, who self admittedly, says he is not very good isn't a good test.

Because he arguably has the most time invested in the game freepside period.

But sure, pick any hunter you want. There are LOTS of favourable matchups for creeps. Particularly creeps who have approached a FRACTION of the time freeps have invested.

Try a R9 warg/BA/heck even reaver, vs a Third age, virtues around 8-9, purple gear wearing new L75 Champ. That Champ is dead man walking.

My point is there was once a time in the moors where ANY freep would beat ANY creep. With the amount of talk about the extreme cases, you'd think that was still the case. But it's not.

There ARE creepside matchups that work.

Heck my R3 warg took a spear traited warden to under 2k the other day. With NO CC used. (I was caught off guard and didn't even start the fight).

Look, I'm tired of the same old argument. But the reality is things aren't NEARLY as bad as they once were. And instead of focusing on what changes WOULD help things there's endless crying about the EXTREME cases as if they're the norm. They're NOT the norm.

Time played is not an accurate indication of skill level. Only perseverance.

-pup-

Originally Posted by oninoakuma

You know thats not the point right? Sometimes not fighting isn't an option. Mind you this is healing done in war speech, actual healing minnies, just plain ########.

I Brought Amlios out the moors the other night and cranked out 1300 HPS without FH or TS in a 3 minute engagement, the best defilers on the server can't even pop out 900hps with every heal at their disposal, granted if I got caught in the open I'd be dead quick w/o Aud gear on, but I'll accept that as not being too much of an issue with flop, and the fact that there was no warg pack out.

If you still think healing minis are meh or even just slightly OP in comparison, try combat analysis on a decent mini a good defiler, and you'll find out fast why freeps consistently do better in engagements where they have more than one healing mini, DPS isn't the biggest issue in the moors, it's the humongous gap in HPS, and that's without even mentioning "Oh $***" skills like FH and TS.

Originally Posted by Thane9

Because he arguably has the most time invested in the game freepside period.

But sure, pick any hunter you want. There are LOTS of favourable matchups for creeps. Particularly creeps who have approached a FRACTION of the time freeps have invested.

Try a R9 warg/BA/heck even reaver, vs a Third age, virtues around 8-9, purple gear wearing new L75 Champ. That Champ is dead man walking.

My point is there was once a time in the moors where ANY freep would beat ANY creep. With the amount of talk about the extreme cases, you'd think that was still the case. But it's not.

There ARE creepside matchups that work.

Heck my R3 warg took a spear traited warden to under 2k the other day. With NO CC used. (I was caught off guard and didn't even start the fight).

Look, I'm tired of the same old argument. But the reality is things aren't NEARLY as bad as they once were. And instead of focusing on what changes WOULD help things there's endless crying about the EXTREME cases as if they're the norm. They're NOT the norm.

Err.. what is the favorable matchup for a reaver??? I would love to know... I fight everyone and get smoked most of the time... I don't think i am a bad player... i quit my freep because it was way too easy... When an rk can out melee a reaver and has more mitigation... there might be a problem... Or, you are one of those people who likes to win every time... I don't know.... My Devastating Strike averages hitting for 400.. my other melee skills 70-140 and i am traited full dps... I play because i like the challenge, but don't pretend the game is not broken, you sound ridiculous.... Now go take candy from a baby....

Is that champ dead man walking after the 1st or 2nd bubble... and automatic crits... stun horn ... hell clobber hits harder than my dev strike... my reaver has none of those... you are funny....

"Try a R9 warg/BA/heck even reaver, vs a Third age, virtues around 8-9, purple gear wearing new L75 Champ"

What kinda comparison is that???? That is too ridiculous to even comment on.... If you don't see the difference than you must be on the "pineapple express"

"But sure, pick any hunter you want. There are LOTS of favourable matchups for creeps. Particularly creeps who have approached a FRACTION of the time freeps have invested"

if you think that you deserve to be op because you have spent more time working at your freep, than just say so.... although that is complete horse #### because creeps don't have the option of raiding or anything to get gear.... So basically you are saying that freeps should be op because of the time spent in pve, raids.. etc... sorry sir but that is meta-gaming ... you sound like Metta Gamer Peace



Rabkaila / Aliakbar

Originally Posted by Thane9

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Look, I'm tired of the same old argument. But the reality is things aren't NEARLY as bad as they once were. And instead of focusing on what changes WOULD help things there's endless crying about the EXTREME cases as if they're the norm. They're NOT the norm.

Well, obviously you'll get that impression if what you choose to play on creepside has the highest dps and is the most versatile class too who can actually choose the fights they engage in, and leave the ones where they get caught off guard.

I told him to roll a BA...no one ever listens to me...

Gut Out!

Originally Posted by tykoshi

Time played is not an accurate indication of skill level. Only perseverance.

+Rep for you.