Thread: Warsteeds: will they make "normal" mounts outmoded?

I spent only a few hours getting the elf steed but what of those who've spent days or even weeks getting those special deed (forget what those deeds are called) mounts, or even years for the R12 pvp mount? Will these be outmoded by the speed and vitality of the war steeds? Sure they will be fine as a cosmetic statement once in a while, but still...

Originally Posted by tikt

I spent only a few hours getting the elf steed but what of those who've spent days or even weeks getting those special deed (forget what those deeds are called) mounts, or even years for the R12 pvp mount? Will these be outmoded by the speed and vitality of the war steeds? Sure they will be fine as a cosmetic statement once in a while, but still...

Even if true, why is this an issue?

Mounted combat is only going to work in one region, not the entire world. Outside of that region, your War-steed is literally nothing more than just another non-combat cosmetic mount skin (assuming OOC health/armor/speed stats are reset to 'normal horse' values).

Also, there are plans to make War-steed skins based on the normal non-combat horses, so there is a real possibility that the rare mounts will be usable as War-steeds at some point in the future.

Originally Posted by StavroMuellerBeta

Mounted combat is only going to work in one region, not the entire world. Outside of that region, your War-steed is literally nothing more than just another non-combat cosmetic mount skin (assuming OOC health/armor/speed stats are reset to 'normal horse' values).

Well, your "assuming health/stats...." statement is exactly the concern of the OP. And mine too. So far we don't know the actual speed/stats of a War-steed. It could be 62%, 68%, much less or much more!! If it turns out to be more, it would make those hard earned regular 68% horses obsolete.

Would be nice to get some information on this. What are the stats of a War-horse, and can those stats be upgraded?

I similarly don't see the problem. If you, for example, have driven an outmoded Alpha Romeo for the past ten years that at its time cost you a large percentage of your income (you had to invest a lot of time in it), but changing circumstances enable you of buying and driving a brandnew cutting-edge Mercedes, do you insist on driving your Alpha Romeo to work every day, or do you switch to the much better Mercedes?

I'd assume that you would immediately switch, wouldn't you? Especially if it doesn't cost you a lot in material terms.

all this talk of the warsteed.. i want my war goat the black goat (dursvaur cant remember how to spell them) in armour would look pretty sweet imo

Originally Posted by Tzared

I similarly don't see the problem. If you, for example, have driven an outmoded Alpha Romeo for the past ten years that at its time cost you a large percentage of your income (you had to invest a lot of time in it), but changing circumstances enable you of buying and driving a brandnew cutting-edge Mercedes, do you insist on driving your Alpha Romeo to work every day, or do you switch to the much better Mercedes?

I'd assume that you would immediately switch, wouldn't you? Especially if it doesn't cost you a lot in material terms.

Of course! But it would be nice to know beforehand if we're getting a Mercedes or a Kia.

I think some players will be sentimental tied to their new War steeds, since they will have to "work" in them and they will be unique. The horse is a "living" companion, now not only for travels.

That can make the old horses obsoletes. All depends the speed, if they will be customizable with cosmetics. If they aren't then players should tend to use the old different ones too.

Originally Posted by Lyzau

Well, your "assuming health/stats...." statement is exactly the concern of the OP. And mine too. So far we don't know the actual speed/stats of a War-steed. It could be 62%, 68%, much less or much more!! If it turns out to be more, it would make those hard earned regular 68% horses obsolete.

Would be nice to get some information on this. What are the stats of a War-horse, and can those stats be upgraded?

Lyzau makes a fair point there, the usefulness (other than cosmetics, to display achievements and whatnot) of our old horses depends quite a bit on the speed that the future warhorses will have. If it's less than the 168% the top horses have now, the older horses would still serve players better in getting fast into harder to reach places.

Thinking logically, wouldn't a large and heavy horse bred for war, armored and mounted by a rider be significantly slower than lightly equipped,lighter horse bred for travel and speed? It might work that the old horses will still be the way to go in other areas than Rohan where one needs the warhorse to defend themselves from the enemies.

Then again, if I can get the skins of some of my favourite horses for my war-steed, I'll be happy (Mirkwood Meta deed horse skin, please!)

My thought is that war steeds are going to be like skirm soldiers, you will only use them in a certain area. So your regular (special) horses will be used everywhere else. That being said I hope you can customize your war horse just like you can your skirm soldier. I believe they have already said that "class" horse skins will be available in addition to the night steed skin.

Well, unless the Warsteeds work in Moria (unlikely, IMNSHO), they will not obsolete goats. Loving my goat. (Not in a creepy way, ew!)

As it turns out, War-steeds will have the highest speed in game so far:

"...you will be able to ride your warhorse in many other maps which are large and open but not every map will have this option especially regions that are small or dense with trees or other environmental factors that aren’t ideal for a war horse. Regarding speed the war mounts will be the fastest mounts in the game with 300 times the run speed of a normal character."

quote can be found at Casual Stroll to Mordor article: Riders of Rohan Coverage from E3

This will indeed make regular mounts obsolete in most areas, maybe with exception of a few places where war-steeds will not be allowed. Turbine will make cosmetic skins for the horses that were purchased through the Lotro store available for the war-steeds, but currently they have no skins for the meta-deed horses. Like many other wishes from the player base: "this is something they 'might' be considering in the future...".

Yes the War-Horses will be able to achieve the highest top speeds, however if any of you have done the Horse Session play, you will notice that the skills you get appear to possibly be a precursor or Alpha version of mounted combat. You are given 4 skills, a rear-up, a rear kick, a speed increase (Temporary buff), and a daze/knockdown breaker.

If you will notice one of the buffs is a temporary speed increase. Most likely the maximum 300% speed increase will be the max you will be able to get the temporary run speed skill up to. Since mounted combat is not allowed outside of Rohan it might also be deduced that you will not have access to the Mounted Skill bar outside of the Rohan area. So the run speed boost skill will most likely be unavailable outside of Rohan as well.

Long story short, The War Horses will most likely be the same 62-68% mounts just like any other outside of Rohan, and still 62-68% inside Rohan except when using the Speed Boost skill.

Originally Posted by Ryvick

Long story short, The War Horses will most likely be the same 62-68% mounts just like any other outside of Rohan, and still 62-68% inside Rohan except when using the Speed Boost skill.

No, they will be consistently faster. Sapience just clarified in his post:

Originally Posted by Sapience

War-steeds are currently between 180% and 220% speed (again, using mount speed comparisons, not running to mount speed comparisons).

Only problem is Sapience didn't say consistently. He said top speeds were 180-220%, and with the 50% speed boost skill those numbers are in the correct range.

And he also mentioned the numbers he provided were the Demo numbers solely.