Thread: Too many of the best and brightest are leaving.... time to talk ZC!

Won't someone please think of the hunters?!

Of all the LOTRO classes I have tried, hunter was the least fun.

/shrug. OP might have a point.

Originally Posted by whheydt

Worse things than neglect can be done to classes. Just ask the Wardens...

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Yeah i cant agree more poor things dont know what they are anymore, tweek the class the gurdians cry, make it weaker they cant do any T2 raiding, something needs to be done.

I know wardens that have just leveled gurds to tank T2's since they have no real place anymore.

It seems like the OP's issue is a personal one, but yes, it is also one that does effect us all to an extent. 'Good' hunters are few and far between, and hunters who have mastered their class are almost non-existent, just like any other class. There are a hundred hunters to every ten tanks and every one Loremaster it would seem like, and it has caused the hunter community as a whole to become very diluted. Only very few players will ever achieve any notability as a hunter, simply because most people don't pay much attention to them to begin with, since they're 'just another DPS class'. Losing one that knows their role and class inside and out is a blow to everyone because that's lost knowledge and experience that could eliminate another ####### who just pulls aggro all the time and gets himself wrecked at the beginning of every fight.

For the class itself, the only issue with hunter is that it's a class that you can learn in 10 minutes, but takes years to master to its full potential due to the sheer depth that there actually is to it. A lot of the players out there who play hunters regularly, or even have one as their main/only character, don't realize that there is in fact more than one way to build a hunter and it doesn't revolve around Burn Hot and Heartseeker. Most don't realize that Strength Stance isn't their only stance and that Beneath Notice or Improved Fleet Stance, for example, are actually extremely useful skills. Many do not play the class to its full potential simply because a hunter is not an advanced class until you get it to a higher level and begin seriously raiding and doing things with groups that require more coordination than "tank and spank, I target this, we all shoot it". The average hunter would have to have someone to correct his past ways in order to make him a 'good' hunter, because most of the endgame capability that they have is totally different than it is on the way up to 75.

A hunter who knows his class well and executes it well can lay down some serious firepower all the while moving around a room managing CCs, interrupting enemy inductions, or laying down an AOE root in on 'oh shi-' situation when everything needs to be put on pause. On a more raid-oriented note, fighting from ranged means that an observant hunter sees all that is going on around him and can see the fight unfold as a whole, what mobs get loose, where the most aggro is being generated, or when a companion is about to put himself in a bad position. Overall, the Hunter is an extremely versatile class and someone playing one that knows his role is a highly valuable asset to his raid, fellowship, and kinship for far more than DPS.

/2cents. Hunter is perfectly fine as a class, no changes needed.

Won't even start on hunters in the Moors. I'll just say that the fun you have is almost criminal :P

Awww... I'm not a best and brightest But then I've not left the game.

Originally Posted by Widoch

I would like to see a bit more threat management possible from a hunter, but it's not a deal breaker for me. There are little things here and there that could be tweaked, but I've noticed that with every class I've played.

They also don't seem to every get an induction interrupt skill (other than "interrupted to death").

To those who suggest reading the Hunter class forums to get a better handle on the class, I stopped reading the class forums as soon as it became clear how many of the posts are from players who write as if they personally are that class. No thanks. The way to get a handle on the class is to play the class, at least for a while. You don't have to play a Hunter long to understand why a Hunter crouches down and fiddles with the ground before combat, or why he or she does that little head bob before combat, or to realize that a Hunter shooting up into the air is going to aggro multiple bad guys.

As someone else mentioned, the OP is the just the usual exaggerated doom-and-gloom drama-queen stuff.

Originally Posted by maxjenius

They also don't seem to every get an induction interrupt skill (other than "interrupted to death").

Blindside and Dazing Blow both interrupt. And the trait Resolute Aim when used with Needful Haste prevents induction setbacks.

Oh, wait, shooting in the air and crouching down are class issues now? I am glad I haven't been reading those forums either, certainly nothing to see there, it could even lead me to some delusions I might be mistaken about something XD

Originally Posted by Ayrolen

Blindside and Dazing Blow both interrupt. And the trait Resolute Aim when used with Needful Haste prevents induction setbacks.

Too bad second one is useless against bosses (ie. group content) and a waste of adaptation slot against trash. Still waiting for ZC to follow through on his statement about Blindside (finally) becoming immediate. So basically both are *fine*... for landscape. And we all know it's the stuff that matters the most numbers - wise, eh...

Originally Posted by Aoeworth

I think too many hunters end up believing that they really are hunters irl and end up accidentally hitting their real life DF skill, that's all. (I think it's true cause I think my wife believes herself to be a mini or captain. She shouts at me thinking it raises my morale)

Heh.

Heh heh heh.

+ rep.

But ..... I'm a LM and I can't control my cats at all!!!

Originally Posted by Notaforumguy007

eh dev silence is nothing new,

We just had a thread about WHY the devs don't talk on the forums. In the first place, they are busy. In the second place, they are programmers, not PR people, and talking about what they're doing, without making reference to NDA-covered Turbine code, is difficult for them. As a result, in the third place, if they say anything whatever on the forums, some loon will decide they've promised X Y and Z, and gripe when X Y and Z don't come out in the next patch.

talk to the PvMP peeps and see what real neglect looks like, I mean while you can they'll all probably be gone once GW2 comes out.

Who? The devs, or the PvMPers?

Don't you all know, for every hunter that leaves, three more pop up to take their place.

By the way, I have three hunters (Human, Elf, Hobbit) and might even make a 4th (Dwarf).

Originally Posted by Kajil

Losing one that knows their role and class inside and out is a blow to everyone because that's lost knowledge and experience that could eliminate another ####### who just pulls aggro all the time and gets himself wrecked at the beginning of every fight.

A lot of the players out there who play hunters regularly, or even have one as their main/only character, don't realize that there is in fact more than one way to build a hunter and it doesn't revolve around Burn Hot and Heartseeker. Most don't realize that Strength Stance isn't their only stance and that Beneath Notice or Improved Fleet Stance, for example, are actually extremely useful skills.

I point out both of these items because on my server, Imladris, there are so many "huntards" who are this way, and have earned their labels. There are so few "good" hunters on the server that it's not funny. So many love to build their glass cannons and wind up getting blown up even before healers do on runs. It's sad to see, but my boyfriend has taught me the credo "you pull it, you kill it", because he would often get tired of running to my defense whenever I would make a mistake like what you mention.

A hunter who knows his class well and executes it well can lay down some serious firepower all the while moving around a room managing CCs, interrupting enemy inductions, or laying down an AOE root in on 'oh shi-' situation when everything needs to be put on pause. On a more raid-oriented note, fighting from ranged means that an observant hunter sees all that is going on around him and can see the fight unfold as a whole, what mobs get loose, where the most aggro is being generated, or when a companion is about to put himself in a bad position. Overall, the Hunter is an extremely versatile class and someone playing one that knows his role is a highly valuable asset to his raid, fellowship, and kinship for far more than DPS.

This is my main character and I've been playing the game for nearly two years now, but I find that I am still learning things about this class that a lot of people take for granted or simply don't understand. What you've said here is both true and insightful. I rarely post on the forums, but I do read what happens in the Hunter forum.

I've had a ton of fun playing my hunter, with my boyfriend and his four 75's (including a hunter), and with friends I've made in the game. It's a fun class, but I have to agree, there are some changes that do need to be made.

Won't even start on hunters in the Moors. I'll just say that the fun you have is almost criminal :P

I have yet to visit the Moors. I know my boyfriend has taken a few of his characters out there, but rarely his hunter; probably for the same reason you're thinking.

Originally Posted by Tinluen

No, unfortunately I am not. That is the saddest part of the entire thing. The hunter community is losing so many of its top hunters because of what I posted about. Many other classes may not understand, but those that have hunters will. No changes since ROI, and those that were given were challenged by the hunters and we have heard nothing since.

can you elucidate the problem? what exactly happened to the hunter class that would make all hunters quit? i have a 75 hunter, and haven't noticed any changes at all. what am i missing?

A dozens of threads? :P

Idk what would be the point of reposting entire thing one more time in GSec. Then again, I don't see the point of this thread in GSec either - unless it is a bait for trolls etc

I have a hunter myself and am pretty fine as is but like all veteran hunters we have seen ups and downs in updates. ATM we are lower then normal but are not at rock bottom yet. With more classes being brought up to the new standers of new content and instances, hunters drop lower and lower. Skills that have been broken for about a year now have not been fixed and trait lines that are rarely used are still not changed to be made more useful and appealing.

The saddest thing is when you see hunters who have played since the game came out and are leaving now due to the games overall downgrade and lack of personal class changes. Dev's need to step up to address these two problems that we are having or else more and more hunters will leave and the population of the game will drop to the point that we may have another Star Wars Galaxies on our hands.

I may be a little negative but i'm just looking at the trend that i am seeing even though it may be either slow or hard to see.

Well, they didn't quite delete this thread, but they moved it back to the place where no one will see it. Kudos Turbine, kudos...

No hope of anyone seeing it now, you should pack it all up, and port out to a nicer location like the rest of us.

I bet this started on the Suggestions forum. I see alot of those first posters on that forum trollololing around and putting people down quite often.


I have a hunter, an RK, a capt, grd, and lm. I like to dabble in PvP with each of them. I find my cappy to be very strong in 1v1s, guardian 2nd, rk 3rd, but my lm and hnt are just trounced over and over. It is the immobility + light/med armor + inductions rooting the toon in place that really makes these classes suffer. /sadface... I've shelved my little hobbit hunter and barely play my lm. It just seems like no one took more than 20 minutes when they made changes with RoI. The classes just aren't fun.


I see alot of the great players leaving my server. But, there are still a few noobs who, I'm sure, pay Turbine's bills with all the cosmetic cloaks, p2w upgrades, etc.

Wow, lots of trolling in here by creeps, non-hunters, the under level and the casuals. A real wealth of unbiased knowledge amongst you all. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Valkyrielady

I bet this started on the Suggestions forum. I see alot of those first posters on that forum trollololing around and putting people down quite often.

It was originally open within the General Discussion forum; the most viewed section of the entire forums. And since Turbine cannot accept the despair of this class, they moved the thread away from the dense area and into the origin of its topic. The whole purpose of this thread was for people to see the absence of Z_C and that this class needs a blue name response regarding where this class is headed, before more stupid things occur (See the proposed Desperate Flight Update in Rohan...)

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

After I read the forums at work(Don't laugh, I'm the boss! )I start to wonder if I'm playing a horribly designed MMO, and when I get home and play I start having a blast and forget about the forums.

Same. Then I realized that *every* gaming forum endures the same things, the same words, the same dark aspersions cast upon the motives of developers. (the least logical being, 'Developer A hates my class.') It's amazing. Every game out there is a complete failure. *Only* the one soon to launch is a blazing success - until it launches, whereupon, it joins the heap of failures. It's like a weird psychosis in action.

It would be funny, I guess, except it does influence how I see things. I don't want it to - but it does. I'll avoid forums for months, then find myself with a question. (Today, it was something about my guardian.) On the bright side, though, the LOTRO forums aren't even close to the worst out there. (I think Blizzard & Bioware are vying for that title)

Taken from RoR community Q&A:

"we’re currently experimenting with (...) and improving Hunter’s Desperate Flight to include your entire Fellowship."

I'm really glad the devs sure listen to what hunters really need: Tired of pulling mobs and wiping the groups? Fear not! Here's the force group port button ... wth?!

I just spoke with hundreds of end-game players in Brandywine GLFF and asked them all if there is some problem with Hunters, and if players are quiting lotro because they are unhappy with their hunter. All players who responded said no. They all said hunters are fine and they cannot imagine what this person is talking about.

Originally Posted by Zombielord

Taken from RoR community Q&A:

"we’re currently experimenting with (...) and improving Hunter’s Desperate Flight to include your entire Fellowship."

I'm really glad the devs sure listen to what hunters really need: Tired of pulling mobs and wiping the groups? Fear not! Here's the force group port button ... wth?!

Hate the idea? Support my thread to go against it before Hunter's get an even worse reputation: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...ad-Hunter-idea...

Originally Posted by Valkyrielady

I bet this started on the Suggestions forum. I see alot of those first posters on that forum trollololing around and putting people down quite often.


I have a hunter, an RK, a capt, grd, and lm. I like to dabble in PvP with each of them. I find my cappy to be very strong in 1v1s, guardian 2nd, rk 3rd, but my lm and hnt are just trounced over and over. It is the immobility + light/med armor + inductions rooting the toon in place that really makes these classes suffer. /sadface... I've shelved my little hobbit hunter and barely play my lm. It just seems like no one took more than 20 minutes when they made changes with RoI. The classes just aren't fun.


I see alot of the great players leaving my server. But, there are still a few noobs who, I'm sure, pay Turbine's bills with all the cosmetic cloaks, p2w upgrades, etc.

Playing your hunter wrong if you're having trouble with inductions in the Moors. Try traiting blue line. You do way more DPS and you don't have to sit there and 'post and roast', which is completely useless in 1v1. The majority of creeps (minus high-ranked WLs and BAs) will get absolutely wrecked by a hunter that knows how to play his class in a 1v1, especially wargs under R8+.

LMs are ridiculously annoying to most creeps when played right as well.

Sounds like you just need some more time to figure out your classes.

Originally Posted by enginekid

I just spoke with hundreds of end-game players in Brandywine GLFF and asked them all if there is some problem with Hunters, and if players are quiting lotro because they are unhappy with their hunter. All players who responded said no. They all said hunters are fine and they cannot imagine what this person is talking about.

Not that I strenuously disagree with the conclusion, but why would you ever submit a serious querey to Brandywine GLFF? I would honestly expect better answers from 4Chan.

Came home for a break from work and to get a bite to eat. This thread has been most entertaining.

Originally Posted by enginekid

I just spoke with hundreds of end-game players in Brandywine GLFF and asked them all if there is some problem with Hunters, and if players are quiting lotro because they are unhappy with their hunter. All players who responded said no. They all said hunters are fine and they cannot imagine what this person is talking about.

Guess I should clarify a bit... I have hunters on three servers different accounts, but I have noticed this lately. I play mostly on E and end game kins are down. Before ROI I could name 20 kins that were in OD farming the raid on a weekly basis. Now we may have 10 doing the same on E in tier 2. I also have seen this trend on Nim as well. No one else has noticed this trend lately on their servers?

Many hunters at end game that I know are hanging it up, or moving to different toons because we have seen nothing done for hunters in over a year that has mattered. We are not getting any input from our dev and and now we get a upgrade to DF... seriously.... this is what they give us and the sheep seem to lap it up. Nothing is wrong with the hunter. Sorry have had this toon from the start and seen how it has progressed. Can a hunter dps, sure, can it CC, yes but at what level do you see us preforming at compared to other classes that can do all these things and more?

I have seen other toons go through droughts as well, but not over a year and not without having almost no communication with the dev that is designing where their character is going. I, and others, are not seeing this improving. From the latest news the same jokers that created the moors armour are now hard at screwing this class over even more. Keep your blinders on if you want. I would love to see the hunter given some new ways to grow, tearing it down and building it the right way. I have my doubts that turbine will do this or even want to spend the time doing this. To hunters in Palantir how can you let this #### stand? You are our voices and maybe you have been screaming at the wall, but this joke is old and I am getting tired as well. I put a lot of work into my hunters, they are my pride and joy in this game and I am watching the devs make a mockery of my class.

Tydalmir

Originally Posted by enginekid

They all said hunters are fine and they cannot imagine what this person is talking about.

Again: Not useless, just needs tweaks here and there.

Originally Posted by Zombielord

Again: Not useless, just needs tweaks here and there.

Your name is halfway Zombie_Columbus.

Can we promote you as his heir?

If you guys don't know who Seyz and Thrax are you haven't been paying attention, which means you probably don't play your Hunter very well. Just saying.