Thread: Warg Stole My Bike!

I see dem wargs rollin'
I'm hatin'

Now how am I supposed to catch them?

They already made off with my chocolate milk and ice cream..

Your signature.... - if no hunter fix.... I must say, Learn to play. Hunters are pretty strong in the moors, you can't expect to rock'n roll when you're only rank 1. Hunters are top 3 infamy/renown gainers in the moors. What more do you want?

It's time for hunters to stop being easymoders, use your brains and start playing smart like us creeps have to.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Your signature.... - if no hunter fix.... I must say, Learn to play. Hunters are pretty strong in the moors, you can't expect to rock'n roll when you're only rank 1. Hunters are top 3 infamy/renown gainers in the moors. What more do you want?

It's time for hunters to stop being easymoders, use your brains and start playing smart like us creeps have to.

Yes, I must say that wargs have it very hard in the moors... The ability to roll in stealth at 120% at all times, knock down a target for 5 seconds, and deal 1k hits with completely spammable skills with NO setbacks is a very difficult class to play. It's even worse when a freep attacks you as well... You either have to:

A. Blow disappear and knock down the freep in shadow stance, blowing him up in about 6-8 seconds.

B. Turn around and kill the freep without cool downs, maybe blowing tendon shred if the fight starts to go the other way.

C. Switch to flayer stance and be the equivalent of a mid geared guardian that still actually deals decent damage.

D. Blow disappear and don't come back to the fight, like alot of wargs do.

E. Pack up as the most played class in the ettenmoors and gank everybody that moves, like most wargs do.

With very limited options, I can see why a warg could have alot of problems.

./sarcasm off

All that hunters want is a baseline shred of surivability, which we do not currently have. The only reason creeps tend to disagree with this is because right now hunters are their main source of free points. Heck, if they just made press onward an instant skill I'd feel a lot better about the class.

Originally Posted by Dontdazemebro

Yes, I must say that wargs have it very hard in the moors... The ability to roll in stealth at 120% at all times, knock down a target for 5 seconds, and deal 1k hits with completely spammable skills with NO setbacks is a very difficult class to play. It's even worse when a freep attacks you as well... You either have to:

A. Blow disappear and knock down the freep in shadow stance, blowing him up in about 6-8 seconds.

B. Turn around and kill the freep without cool downs, maybe blowing tendon shred if the fight starts to go the other way.

C. Switch to flayer stance and be the equivalent of a mid geared guardian that still actually deals decent damage.

D. Blow disappear and don't come back to the fight, like alot of wargs do.

E. Pack up as the most played class in the ettenmoors and gank everybody that moves, like most wargs do.

With very limited options, I can see why a warg could have alot of problems.

./sarcasm off

All that hunters want is a baseline shred of surivability, which we do not currently have. The only reason creeps tend to disagree with this is because right now hunters are their main source of free points. Heck, if they just made press onward an instant skill I'd feel a lot better about the class.

I agree, hunters could use something, but really? Complaining about wargs, the only balanced class in the moors? And btw, wargs dont always win fights or immediatly hips, so that just shows me, as a r1 you're not very experianced with wargs :/

You also seem to think wargs knockdown is 5s? we only get knock down of crit (very rare) and with aud (something you dont have yet im guessing) the stun is 2.5s. We also dont crit 1k all the time....

Originally Posted by lucky100x

You also seem to think wargs knockdown is 5s? we only get knock down of crit (very rare) and with aud (something you dont have yet im guessing) the stun is 2.5s. We also dont crit 1k all the time....

Topple in Flayer is a 5s knockdown after max Audacity, on demand. Not that it really matters considering the huge after animation that comes with it that is still annoying and seriously reduces the skills worth even after you Eye Rake it off.

Not that anything really matters. Wargs are only as good as bad Freeps allow them to be. If you ask me Freeps tend to complain about Wargs because it strikes them as wrong that they aren't winning easily. It is like they feel entitled to be able to destroy Creeps, which admittedly they should be well used to. But when a Creep class can actually fight back something is obviously horribly wrong.

Have you tried slowing and then backing away while mashing penetrating shot? I've heard all the skillful hunters are doing it nowadays.

Originally Posted by Dontdazemebro

Yes, I must say that wargs have it very hard in the moors... The ability to roll in stealth at 120% at all times, knock down a target for 5 seconds, and deal 1k hits with completely spammable skills with NO setbacks is a very difficult class to play. It's even worse when a freep attacks you as well... You either have to:

A. Blow disappear and knock down the freep in shadow stance, blowing him up in about 6-8 seconds.

B. Turn around and kill the freep without cool downs, maybe blowing tendon shred if the fight starts to go the other way.

C. Switch to flayer stance and be the equivalent of a mid geared guardian that still actually deals decent damage.

D. Blow disappear and don't come back to the fight, like alot of wargs do.

E. Pack up as the most played class in the ettenmoors and gank everybody that moves, like most wargs do.

With very limited options, I can see why a warg could have alot of problems.

./sarcasm off

All that hunters want is a baseline shred of surivability, which we do not currently have. The only reason creeps tend to disagree with this is because right now hunters are their main source of free points. Heck, if they just made press onward an instant skill I'd feel a lot better about the class.

A. We can't get knockdowns on demand in shadow. Also, most fights take 20-30 seconds against light armour classes.

B. Yes, nubs on all classes are easily killed, by decent players on ALL classes.

C. Flayer is decent but the dps is ####. Champs on the other hand have both.

D. Yep, thank you for hips. Other classes got HS, DF, Sprint, Hips, Man Heal, Elf Parry, etc.

E. Pack up on any class and you'll pwn.



1k crits, against targets with no audacity. Against good light armour classes with full audacity, you'll do 600-800 crits. Also, the stun is 2.5 seconds, not 5.


Terrible players of any class will lose to decent players of any class. What's your point? And yes, a lot of hunters are terrible players. Learn to play your hunter well and you will fight off MOST wargs most times. Hunters are only the main source of easy infamy because easymoders are very much drawn to the class, I swim in easymoders, killing them as I go. I also kill a lot of poor players on other classes and has nothing whatsoever to do with me, it has something to do with them.


Wargs are still weaker than they were in Moria, when creeps were really weak. We are stronger vs hunters and rks, but not against a whole bunch of other classes. Warg is the only relatively half-way balanced creep class, though I wouldn't boost warg anymore because not all freep classes are op and those that are not would suffer.

Learn to play hunter and you'll find that they are pretty strong, top 3 renown/infamy gainer.

Originally Posted by Dontdazemebro

Yes, I must say that wargs have it very hard in the moors... The ability to roll in stealth at 120% at all times, knock down a target for 5 seconds, and deal 1k hits with completely spammable skills with NO setbacks is a very difficult class to play. It's even worse when a freep attacks you as well... You either have to:

A. Blow disappear and knock down the freep in shadow stance, blowing him up in about 6-8 seconds.

B. Turn around and kill the freep without cool downs, maybe blowing tendon shred if the fight starts to go the other way.

C. Switch to flayer stance and be the equivalent of a mid geared guardian that still actually deals decent damage.

D. Blow disappear and don't come back to the fight, like alot of wargs do.

E. Pack up as the most played class in the ettenmoors and gank everybody that moves, like most wargs do.

With very limited options, I can see why a warg could have alot of problems.

./sarcasm off

All that hunters want is a baseline shred of surivability, which we do not currently have. The only reason creeps tend to disagree with this is because right now hunters are their main source of free points. Heck, if they just made press onward an instant skill I'd feel a lot better about the class.

Your complaining about the 1 creep class that can deal damage to you?

Hunters have low survability yes, but I think your ability to 1-3 shot creeps is very good.

lol Jess doesnt even pvp. Apparently trolling ridder's pvp forum wasnt enough, this dude's hated by both sides

As a heinously underpowered WL I can say:

Neither hunters nor wargs truly have anything to complain about.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

As a heinously underpowered WL I can say:

Neither hunters nor wargs truly have anything to complain about.

I think everyone should stop complaining. Wouldn't that be cool? One class calls out another class, then players of said class defend it with their lives, and we get this! Wonderful job guys.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Your complaining about the 1 creep class that can deal damage to you?

Hunters have low survability yes, but I think your ability to 1-3 shot creeps is very good.

One single warg is fine... The class alone is fine...

The problem that stands is that there is always an overpopulation of wargs... Giving the already FoTM stealth class the highest damage output, as well as a growing stance for survivability is a recipe of disaster for the moors...

I don't know how things work on brandywine, but on my server we don't have 6-24 man burg packs running the moors everyday. Heck, don't think I have ever seen a group of burgs greater than 4-5.

I also think that it is funny that you make attempts to say that we 1-3 shot creeps... I have never one shotted a creep... The only people that maybe one shot greenies are the hunters that trait 5 red, sacrifice all mobility, get off one lucky heartseeker dev, and then die a few seconds later.

Please, don't try to bundle everything a hunter *can* do into one big lump, because most of the time they are divided by traits or legacies.

Originally Posted by Dontdazemebro

One single warg is fine... The class alone is fine...The problem that stands is that there is always an overpopulation of wargs... Giving the already FoTM stealth class the highest damage output, as well as a growing stance for survivability is a recipe of disaster for the moors...I don't know how things work on brandywine, but on my server we don't have 6-24 man burg packs running the moors everyday. Heck, don't think I have ever seen a group of burgs greater than 4-5.I also think that it is funny that you make attempts to say that we 1-3 shot creeps... I have never one shotted a creep... The only people that maybe one shot greenies are the hunters that trait 5 red, sacrifice all mobility, get off one lucky heartseeker dev, and then die a few seconds later.Please, don't try to bundle everything a hunter *can* do into one big lump, because most of the time they are divided by traits or legacies.

You should go to Brandywine and find the hunter, Yelk.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

You should go to Brandywine and find the hunter, Yelk.

^what he said.

Originally Posted by stoffi

1k crits, against targets with no audacity. Against good light armour classes with full audacity, you'll do 600-800 crits..

Im not sure how, but I know its possible to crit over 1k with claws on a light armoured with 7 audacity. R5 warg hit me multiple times with claws for over 900 with at least one of them being over 1k.

If you need a ss I'll post it for you. My RK had 7A and ~30% tactical mit at the time.
Do wargs need nerfed? No, they're fine.

I would like to see the warg dealing 1k crits against a equipped and experienced freeps. Maybe you should avoid getting hit from behind, it will reduce their dmg significantly.
But I agree... Warg is a great class to stomp noobs

On the other hand a warg might ask hows is it that Hunter can hit me 10k with burn threw?
Warg packs aren't called warg packs for nothn Pack Mentality is all there written in black and white.

Shilowadan scored a critical hit with Heart Seeker on Admishum for 8,093 Beleriand
Shilowadan scored a critical hit with Imp. Penetrating Shot: Burn Through on Admishum for 3,134 Fire damage to Morale
Shilowadan scored a critical hit with Heart Seeker on Admishum for 8,087 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Shilowadan scored a critical hit with Imp. Penetrating Shot: Burn Through on Admishum for 2,269 Fire damage to Morale.
Shilowadan scored a devastating hit with Imp. Penetrating Shot: Burn Through on Admishum for 2,891 Fire damage to Morale.
Wulfhram scored a devastating hit with Heart Seeker on Admishum for 9,505 Beleriand damage to Morale.

This is just a few I logged The hunter that hit me 2x for over 10k inspired me to log some of this so called balance!

There is no way to equalize so many different freep and creep classes; someone is going to be the squishiest and for now on freepside, it is the hunter.

There are only a handful of hunters that give me trouble and that's coming from a mid-ranked, keyboard turning FOTM, newbie warg. I would hate to be a solo hunter unless I could do what those handful of hunters are doing.

But, in a group, if you aren't blowing up creeps while getting healed, shield-walled, stun protected and bubbled then maybe there is something else that is the problem.

Srsly guys, this thread has gone way off track.

Since when does an innocent thread about wargs, bikes, chocolate milk and ice cream deserve hate?

+rep to poster above who got the 'stole my bike' pun.

Originally Posted by ssSteele

Good one. :-)

Now imagine what a Warg pack could have done... That Warg used it's Sprint to get away, but the freep (who by the way looked like level 40 at best, and seemed to have quest gear) still caught it... The Warg also probably hadn't been able to buy Disappear because of the sky-high commendation prices, so it couldn't get away with it (impossible to say what rank it was because the skin looked like the default rank 0 one)... ;-P