Thread: 6th Bag Question w/F2P characters.

I have some alts that I have not unlocked additional bags for as of yet. I am wondering how the 6th bag would work on them? Does it...

A. Open up the 6th bag slot and that's all, leaving 4 and 5 greyed out.
B. Open up the 4th bag slot.
C. Open up all the bag slots to get to the 6th. So 4, 5 and 6 would be opened.
D. Not open up anything till the 4th and 5th bag slots are opened.

Thanks for looking at my question!

bump. am curious as well.

Originally Posted by Koomaster

I have some alts that I have not unlocked additional bags for as of yet. I am wondering how the 6th bag would work on them? Does it...

A. Open up the 6th bag slot and that's all, leaving 4 and 5 greyed out.
B. Open up the 4th bag slot.
C. Open up all the bag slots to get to the 6th. So 4, 5 and 6 would be opened.
D. Not open up anything till the 4th and 5th bag slots are opened.

Most likely, D. In fact, most tiered store items simply show the next tier available -- if you haven't bought one before, Bag #4 will be the only one shown. You probably won't even see Bag #6 until you've purchased Bags #4 & #5.

Shared Storage, Vault Storage, Wardrobe spaces, stat tomes, skirmish soldier max rank ... all operate in this manner. On the other hand, Milestone skills are all shown and don't seem to require Milestone II to be purchased before Milestone V. And skirmish soldier max rank only operates that way if purchasing them separately; if you get the Isengard bundle that includes the current max soldier rank, you also get the previous tiers automatically if you don't already have them. So Turbine could always handle the new bag in a different manner.

Of course, I'm assuming you're asking about F2P players who do not pre-order the Rohan expansion, and are buying the 6th bag from the Turbine store in September. If you're asking about F2P players who do buy the pre-order, well ... they're not F2P anymore.

Originally Posted by banjolier

Of course, I'm assuming you're asking about F2P players who do not pre-order the Rohan expansion, and are buying the 6th bag from the Turbine store in September. If you're asking about F2P players who do buy the pre-order, well ... they're not F2P anymore.

No, but they would only be Premium and being Premium doesn't unlock the bags. If you preorder, which bag will you get then I wonder? The 4th? The 6th only? Or none, until you've unlocked the rest?

I've got a follow on to this question. I am premium, having been previously VIP so all my played characters have 5 bags, though I havn't purchased the unlock. If I were to wait till launch would I be able to buy the 6th Bag in the store or would I need to buy the 4th and 5th, despite all my characters already having these unlocked. This would make a huge difference, as it would double the effective cost from 995 TP to 1980TP. I'm surely not the only person in this position, and I hope that they have the option for bag 6 to be independent of purchasing bags 4 and 5.

I find C and D to be extremely unlikely. It would sorta be cheating the people who buy Legendary RoR if they don't get the 6th bag just cause they haven't gotten the 4th and 5th, and it would be like giving bags away for free if the 4th and 5th were added in. Since there are individual buttons for each bag, I think A or B are the most likely answers. I'm leaning towards A, personally, since having buttons 4 and 5 greyed out would in no way prevent you from using button 6 if you get RoR.

Also, unlocking the 4th and 5th bags by being VIP is essentially the equivalent to purchasing them with TP. They are yours permanently on those characters. So an ex-VIP getting the 6th bag won't have any problems. However, as I recall, unlocking the bags by getting VIP would work the same way unlocking the traits and swift travel works. On any character you played during VIP those things are permanently unlocked. Any subsequently made characters don't get those perks, so if you, Tysop, make new characters, I think those characters will be in the same position that Koomaster is in. Your existing characters that you played during VIP would be fine.

Its been a while since I unlocked bags 4 and 5 with TP, so I can't remember, but in the Store does it list ALL bags that are unpurchased? Or will it, for example, list only Bag 4? And then if Bag 4 is gotten, does Bag 5 show up?

Originally Posted by Candlelight

No, but they would only be Premium and being Premium doesn't unlock the bags. If you preorder, which bag will you get then I wonder? The 4th? The 6th only? Or none, until you've unlocked the rest?

Yes, sorry about that. I guess I am NOT F2P since I buy quest packs and expansions through the Turbine store. So I am premium, but as Candlelight said, being premium does not unlock those bags.

I am mostly asking about the 6th bag when it comes to pre-ordering ROR now. I assume once it gets added to the store in Sept. you would have to unlock bags 4 and 5 with TP before you could purchase the 6th from the store then. I am just wondering about f2p/premium players who pre-order the legendary edition now which includes the 6th bag.

If it just included the one bag no big deal. If it ended up unlocking all the bags, that's a big value for someone like me and very convenient. If it didn't unlock any new bag on those characters because I haven't unlocked 4&5 I would be very disappointed. That's why I asked.

Hopefully someone can answer this for you before then, but I'm Premium... when I get home today, I can see what I get if I make a totally new character considering I don't think I ever technically bought Bag 4 and Bag 5.

Originally Posted by Koomaster

Yes, sorry about that. I guess I am NOT F2P since I buy quest packs and expansions through the Turbine store. So I am premium, but as Candlelight said, being premium does not unlock those bags.

Actually, you become premium only when you pay real life money. This means you must either buy an expansion with real money, buy a point card, buy VIP (and let it expire), or buy TP in the store. Buying expansions with TP you've saved from grinding deeds, etc. doesn't count. I had purchased several things in the store with TP I'd earned from doing deeds well before I became premium. The first thing I bought with real $$$ was a TP card from GameStop, and once I entered in the code and got my points, only then did I become premium.

As for the ultimate question you raised, I seriously doubt C or D will be the answer, and I'm personally leaning towards A, as I mentioned. Naturally I guess none of us will really know until a dev answers or until someone (who has not unlocked the bags) buys Legendary Rohan and tells us. I must admit I'm curious too...

Originally Posted by Tysop

If I were to wait till launch would I be able to buy the 6th Bag in the store or would I need to buy the 4th and 5th, despite all my characters already having these unlocked.

When the 6th Inventory Bag becomes available in the store later this year, you will need to have the 4th and 5th bags unlocked before you can purchase the 6th. So, in this instance, you would be able to purchase the 6th bag as you have the 4th and 5th unlocked. If you did not have them open to you, then you would need to purchase them in order to access the 6th bag.

Originally Posted by Celestrata

When the 6th Inventory Bag becomes available in the store later this year, you will need to have the 4th and 5th bags unlocked before you can purchase the 6th. So, in this instance, you would be able to purchase the 6th bag as you have the 4th and 5th unlocked. If you did not have them open to you, then you would need to purchase them in order to access the 6th bag.

What about those of us who pre-order and don't own bags 4/5? (Or even buy the legendary edition for $ post launch..)

How will it operate when we create a new character?

Currently we the 3 free bags.

Obviously our VIP downgraded characters will see 6 bags.;
What will characters who aren't downgrade characters see?

Bag 1,2,3,(lock),(lock),6?
Bag 1,2,3,4,(lock),(lock)? (Bag 4 and 5 costing 495TP, but unlocking bag slots 5,6)?
Bag 1,2,3,(lock),(Lock),(lock).- No benefit until 4,5 are purchased?

some other method I didnt describe?

Originally Posted by Celestrata

When the 6th Inventory Bag becomes available in the store later this year, you will need to have the 4th and 5th bags unlocked before you can purchase the 6th. So, in this instance, you would be able to purchase the 6th bag as you have the 4th and 5th unlocked. If you did not have them open to you, then you would need to purchase them in order to access the 6th bag.

That still doesn't answer what happens if you get the bag now with the preorder without having bag 4 or 5 yet.


To be fair it would be bag 6 which unlocks, because it is worth more as bag 4. If the person would decide to get get bag 4 and 5 later, it is 500 TP cheaper as the second case where bag 4 is given with the preorder and bag 5 and bag 6 have to be bought.
The advertisement also clearly says bag 6 is included.

Any premium, who hasn't bought bag 5 in the store could try this out, if they were planning of buying legendary anyway. If they already have 5 bags because of being vip, it could be tried by making a new character.

Originally Posted by semjaza

Hopefully someone can answer this for you before then, but I'm Premium... when I get home today, I can see what I get if I make a totally new character considering I don't think I ever technically bought Bag 4 and Bag 5.

I thought I had read somewhere that if you create a new char while premium, even if your current chars have the grandfathered 5 bags from previous VIP status, that the new chars would only get 3 bags, unless you went VIP again. It should be interesting to see how this works in practice.

Also be interesting to see what happens if you have some chars with three bags and some with 5 bags, and buy the legendary pack, or bag 6 for TP. Would you have to buy 4 & 5, even if all your current chars have 4 & 5, just because you "could" create a char that doesn't have 4 & 5? That would suck.

Originally Posted by DobbelB_EU

That still doesn't answer what happens if you get the bag now with the preorder without having bag 4 or 5 yet.


To be fair it would be bag 6 which unlocks, because it is worth more as bag 4. If the person would decide to get get bag 4 and 5 later, it is 500 TP cheaper as the second case where bag 4 is given with the preorder and bag 5 and bag 6 have to be bought.
The advertisement also clearly says bag 6 is included.

Any premium, who hasn't bought bag 5 in the store could try this out, if they were planning of buying legendary anyway. If they already have 5 bags because of being vip, it could be tried by making a new character.

If anyone is in this situation and would like to post their results I'd love to hear it. We have a Premium account in addition to our Lifetime, and when trying to decide whether / which pre-order package to get for that account, it matters how that 6th bag is handled.

Originally Posted by swattz101

I thought I had read somewhere that if you create a new char while premium, even if your current chars have the grandfathered 5 bags from previous VIP status, that the new chars would only get 3 bags, unless you went VIP again. It should be interesting to see how this works in practice.

Also be interesting to see what happens if you have some chars with three bags and some with 5 bags, and buy the legendary pack, or bag 6 for TP. Would you have to buy 4 & 5, even if all your current chars have 4 & 5, just because you "could" create a char that doesn't have 4 & 5? That would suck.

In practice, if you've "enabled" bags 4 & 5 for a character due to being VIP, they stay enabled. If you create a new character after the VIP period expires, that character will not have access to bags 4 & 5. If you purchase bag 4 and/or 5 from the Store, they will be permanently enabled for all characters that you create, even those going forward. So yah, what happens with the 6th bag in different scenarios is important. Celestrata confirmed how it works from the Store (thanks C!) but not from the Legendary pack.

Originally Posted by Norowen

In practice, if you've "enabled" bags 4 & 5 for a character due to being VIP, they stay enabled. If you create a new character after the VIP period expires, that character will not have access to bags 4 & 5. If you purchase bag 4 and/or 5 from the Store, they will be permanently enabled for all characters that you create, even those going forward. So yah, what happens with the 6th bag in different scenarios is important. Celestrata confirmed how it works from the Store (thanks C!) but not from the Legendary pack.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Its been nearly a year since I got my 4th and 5th bags from the store with TP, but I had a hunch that (as Celestrata said) that 5 (and soon to be 6) wouldn't appear in the store until you get bag 4. And now 6 won't show until you also get bag 5. But, like several of us have said, that doesn't explain what happens with the Legendary pack.

Random player has not unlocked bags 4 and 5 but buys Legendary Rohan. What happens to bag 6 for that person? Do they get it or not?

Originally Posted by Celestrata

When the 6th Inventory Bag becomes available in the store later this year, you will need to have the 4th and 5th bags unlocked before you can purchase the 6th. So, in this instance, you would be able to purchase the 6th bag as you have the 4th and 5th unlocked. If you did not have them open to you, then you would need to purchase them in order to access the 6th bag.

I think this sentence answers the question for those who are current F2P and only have three bags opened and have pre-ordered RoR Legendary Edition . The 6th bag will automatically open when the 4th and 5th are purchased.

In other words F2Pers will still have to pruchase the 4th and 5th bags to get access to the 6th bag even though they have pre-ordered the Legendary Edition!

If Turbine confirms what I have bolded above then subbing for at least a month makes practical sense I should think because...

If you sub for a month the 4th and 5th bags on all your characters created while F2P will permanently become open. Also holds true for all virtue slots and swift travel routes.


Welden

Originally Posted by welden

I think this sentence answers the question for those who are current F2P and only have three bags opened and have pre-ordered RoR Legendary Edition . The 6th bag will automatically open when the 4th and 5th are purchased.

In other words F2Pers will still have to pruchase the 4th and 5th bags to get access to the 6th bag even though they have pre-ordered the Legendary Edition!

If Turbine confirms what I have bolded above then subbing for at least a month makes practical sense I should think because...

If you sub for a month the 4th and 5th bags on all your characters created while F2P will permanently become open. Also holds true for all virtue slots and swift travel routes.


Welden

And if I have a hunter who's earned his trait slots over the course of normal self-sustained gameplay?

I dont want assumptions, I want an answer. We're buying the bag, we want to know that we're going to get access to it.

Not sure it makes practical sense to spend $70 for the expansion and then add on the cost of 1 month VIP just to get access to something included in the expansion I already paid a lot for. ^____^;;;

Originally Posted by welden

I think this sentence answers the question for those who are current F2P and only have three bags opened and have pre-ordered RoR Legendary Edition . The 6th bag will automatically open when the 4th and 5th are purchased.

In other words F2Pers will still have to pruchase the 4th and 5th bags to get access to the 6th bag even though they have pre-ordered the Legendary Edition!

If Turbine confirms what I have bolded above then subbing for at least a month makes practical sense I should think because...

If you sub for a month the 4th and 5th bags on all your characters created while F2P will permanently become open. Also holds true for all virtue slots and swift travel routes.


Welden

I don't know, because Celestrata uses the word "purchase" exclusively for the bags, rather than the entire expansion; it seems worded that (s)he means purchased with TP in the store, which is very different from buying Legendary Rohan.

Also, in addition to bags 4-5, all traits (not just virtues), and swift travel remaining permanently unlocked on any characters PLAYED during VIP, does the gold remain uncapped? That is something else I unlocked prior to ever getting VIP.

Originally Posted by Mar-Evayave

Also, in addition to bags 4-5, all traits (not just virtues), and swift travel remaining permanently unlocked on any characters PLAYED during VIP, does the gold remain uncapped? That is something else I unlocked prior to ever getting VIP.

Yes, gold cap is removed for all characters logged in during a VIP period.

Sorry, I had planned to check this... but apparently I must have bought the 4th and 5th bags at some point because any new character I make has all 6.

It would be nice to have an answer to this.

It is possible that purchasing the legendary package will automatically fill in the fourth and fifth bags on the account. There's some precedent: when I bought the RoI expansion preorder it raised my skirmish soldier level cap to 35, even though I'd never purchased the 25 cap item. I got it for free, so to speak.

The situation here isn't the same, but I could see the potential for it to work the same way. It would certainly be nice, and would raise the value of the legendary pack, for the sake of all the alts I've created since I dropped VIP. But maybe they've noticed the loophole since RoI and will handle this one differently. *shrug*

Anyone ever find out the answer to this? Sorry to be bothersome! ^___^;;;

Originally Posted by Elinnea

It would be nice to have an answer to this.

It is possible that purchasing the legendary package will automatically fill in the fourth and fifth bags on the account. There's some precedent: when I bought the RoI expansion preorder it raised my skirmish soldier level cap to 35, even though I'd never purchased the 25 cap item. I got it for free, so to speak.

The situation here isn't the same, but I could see the potential for it to work the same way. It would certainly be nice, and would raise the value of the legendary pack, for the sake of all the alts I've created since I dropped VIP. But maybe they've noticed the loophole since RoI and will handle this one differently. *shrug*

Indeed. We need verifiable information.

This would add significant value to the Rohan Legendary package for me.. Maybe not enough to purchase it, but it'd sure help it along..

Has no player with an FTP or Premium account - who knows they have not purchased the extra bags in the store - bought the Legendary pack and determined whether new characters will get the 6th bag without having bags 4 and 5? Seems unlikely. I'm beginning to think there's a bug where bags 4 and 5 are automatically enabled when the 6th is bestowed through the Legendary pack, but no one has verified that. Sadly I'm not in a position to pay $70 to find out.

Turbine, we want to know in some official way what the intent is for 6th bag purchased through the Legendary pack in regards to accounts that haven't paid TPs for bags 4 & 5, both in the case of characters that have unlocked those bags and those who haven't. This is not an unrealistic request. We don't want to be put in the position of buying a feature that turns out to be a mistake and have it taken away at some future time. Thanks.

Originally Posted by BentoIce

Has no player with an FTP or Premium account - who knows they have not purchased the extra bags in the store - bought the Legendary pack and determined whether new characters will get the 6th bag without having bags 4 and 5? Seems unlikely.....

Not as unlikely as you might think. When the NDA dropped for RoI I spent a week looking for a single free or premium player in the RoI beta who would answer some account-related questions ..and only had 1 person who fit the bill respond at the very end. ; Also, Its very unlikely that many players dont own bag 4 and 5, OR have not-downgrade-perked characters to see this with right now.

Or like me, they're waiting for more information about this or something else. .. If I pre-order at that tier and the community doesn't have an answer yet, I'll find out exactly how it works, but hopefully by then we'll have some information because I'm sure not in a rush to pre-order right now after the instance cluster not being included.

Originally Posted by BentoIce

Turbine, we want to know in some official way what the intent is for 6th bag purchased through the Legendary pack in regards to accounts that haven't paid TPs for bags 4 & 5, both in the case of characters that have unlocked those bags and those who haven't. This is not an unrealistic request. We don't want to be put in the position of buying a feature that turns out to be a mistake and have it taken away at some future time. Thanks.

Indeed. Let us know what we're actually going to be getting.

Good news! My friend who didn't have bags 4 or 5 unlocked decided to order the legendary package, and she reports that all of her characters now have the full set of six bags. She was surprised but very happy, and it's already making the purchase worthwhile for her.

Originally Posted by Elinnea

Good news! My friend who didn't have bags 4 or 5 unlocked decided to order the legendary package, and she reports that all of her characters now have the full set of six bags. She was surprised but very happy, and it's already making the purchase worthwhile for her.

Woot. Now all we need is official confirmation this isn't a bug!

Originally Posted by Crell_1

Woot. Now all we need is official confirmation this isn't a bug!

Yes, this is very good news. Will definitely tip the scales toward me pre-ordering if it is confirmed working as intended.

Originally Posted by Elinnea

Good news! My friend who didn't have bags 4 or 5 unlocked decided to order the legendary package, and she reports that all of her characters now have the full set of six bags. She was surprised but very happy, and it's already making the purchase worthwhile for her.

Thanks for posting that Elinnea, good to finally have some kind of confirmation on the way it's working.

Originally Posted by Crell_1

Woot. Now all we need is official confirmation this isn't a bug!

Originally Posted by Koomaster

Yes, this is very good news. Will definitely tip the scales toward me pre-ordering if it is confirmed working as intended.

Agreed. On the other hand, we may never hear anything on this, just like we never had (that I'm aware of) official confirmation that you can unlock lots of VIP perks on characters permanently by going VIP and logging them in. Might be a perk that's either unintended or too much trouble to code it differently. I'd like to know that the expansion will work like this even after the pre-order period, but I don't hold out much hope for confirmation on that.

In any case, big thanks to this community for helping fill in what information Turbine has left out. Best community I've ever been a part of.

Originally Posted by BentoIce

Thanks for posting that Elinnea, good to finally have some kind of confirmation on the way it's working.



Agreed. On the other hand, we may never hear anything on this, just like we never had (that I'm aware of) official confirmation that you can unlock lots of VIP perks on characters permanently by going VIP and logging them in. Might be a perk that's either unintended or too much trouble to code it differently. I'd like to know that the expansion will work like this even after the pre-order period, but I don't hold out much hope for confirmation on that.

In any case, big thanks to this community for helping fill in what information Turbine has left out. Best community I've ever been a part of.

We had official confirmation from +Victorie that that was the intended state for downgraded VIP characters. I see no reason turbine shouldn't want to tell us something that would actually ADD VALUE to a purchase they want us to lay down cash for if its intended. Wouldnt' you want to give your players some good news for a change?

Better log-in all of your characters and start any new characters you plan on making in the foreseeable future, before they decide it's not WAI.

Originally Posted by auximenes

Better log-in all of your characters and start any new characters you plan on making in the foreseeable future, before they decide it's not WAI.

Bags for the single not-downgrade character I have now is not sufficient reason to rush out and buy it. An official assurance that it's intended would encourage me to the make the purchase

Bumping to get official word on this. Hey Turbine, a lot of potential sales from your new playerbase from Steam are looking at this info.

Official word on this will help spur sales if it officially unlocks bags 4 & 5 for premium players who pre-purchase Legendary.

My guess:

1) Premium character with 5 bags already unlocked due to vip => gets 6th bag right away
2) New premium character with 3 bags needs to buy bag #4 & #5 before 6th bag will unlock

Since there are quite a lot of premium players around, I'ed be surprised if the all had to buy for bagspace they've already own ... *again*

But a offical word on that would be most welcome.

Originally Posted by Zombielord

My guess:


2) New premium character with 3 bags needs to buy bag #4 & #5 before 6th bag will unlock

Since there are quite a lot of premium players around, I'ed be surprised if the all had to buy for bagspace they've already own ... *again*

But a offical word on that would be most welcome.

That has already been proven incorrect, since a premium player without bag 4 and 5 got all 3 bags, 4,5, and 6 when they bought legendary.

I'm very interested in some things here... I'm F2P currently but wanna purchase all the "level-neutral" stuff I can use before getting access to all the high level quests and instances and stuff. I'm talking about things like the two new classes (warden and Rune Keeper), extra character slots, bags (but that's been clarified now, thanks thread!) and wardrobe stuff. Will pre-ordering RoR while F2P give me ALL this stuff included in previous expansions or just the things explicitly written in the features?

The Mithril edition for 20$ seems like a better deal for me than RoR if I have to spend all my new TP's on getting the stuff I REALLY want... Like character slots, unlimited currency trading, full mail capabilities, bags etc.

Any comprehensible guides to what-gives-what-for-what $$ wise around?

I'm not so sure if that's how it will work. I'm premium (former VIP) and have 12-15 toons on every server in the game. I don't play all of them, obviously, but before I dropped the sub I wanted to have things set up so that if I wanted to play with a friend on another server, switch servers, whatever, the option would be there.

Even though none of the toons have a currency cap and all of them have 5 bags, the store always tries to sell me a 4th bag and the currency cap unlock.

This doesn't give me a lot of hope for Rohan. I'm not planning to buy it, but I would like to see some clarification on this, too.

Originally Posted by Hrodberht

That has already been proven incorrect, since a premium player without bag 4 and 5 got all 3 bags, 4,5, and 6 when they bought legendary.

Legendary Edition, yes ... but will that work the same way, once the 6th bag has made its way into the store?