Thread: Witness the breaking of the Fellowship at Amon Hen

Hmmmm...... assuming this will be seen through some flashback/dream sequence. (subject quote taken from the features section on the Epic Story here: http://rohan.lotro.com/features.html ) I think this can be handled correctly, but I am worried.

A Boromir session play would be nice, maybe even a Frodo and Merry session play as well.
Being there physicly would destroy the entire story, the point is nobody else but the fellowship was there to save Boromir and the hobbits.

It will be session play, I'm sure, probably as Boromir. We meet up with Aragorn and crew, and they tell us what happened, which we experience as a little instance. This is nothing new, and it shouldn't be lore-breaking in any way. And it's an iconic moment, so it's cool that they've opted to include it (although I would have been surprised if they hadn't).

Incidentally, I don't think this will be the only bit of fellowship session play in the expansion; there's a screenshot of the fellowship when they meet Gandalf in Fangorn, which is presumably session play as well, since we shouldn't be there either (unless it's just a staged shot), which is possible).

I can imagine fighting the unwinnable fight as Boromir will be very fun. Make it repeatable. Add in deeds for how long you can hold out...or how many foes you bring down with you...or both...

Originally Posted by Thane9

I can imagine fighting the unwinnable fight as Boromir will be very fun. Make it repeatable. Add in deeds for how long you can hold out...or how many foes you bring down with you...or both...

Very good idea... rep for that. Hope for something like that as well.


Actually, landscape-wise I am more looking forward to Amon Hen/Nen Hithoel/Parth Galen than East-Emnet and the Fangorn edges. Hope it will be nice and with a nice view from the Seeing Seat.... that screams LotR-feeling.


Also hope for a second session play witnessing Gandalf's return... maybe even an Eomer or Merry/Pippin one surrounding the slaugthering of the orcs and Uruk-hai outside Fangorn?

Alternatively...session play as an orc...

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Been saying it for years...

Monster play raid vs. Boromir.

Originally Posted by algonacy

Hmmmm...... assuming this will be seen through some flashback/dream sequence. (subject quote taken from the features section on the Epic Story here: http://rohan.lotro.com/features.html ) I think this can be handled correctly, but I am worried.

Why would you be worried? I think Turbine's done -- regardless of other issues they've had -- a fantastic job of dealing with the actual story elements of the Lord of the Rings and integrating them into our experience. Flashbacks with Durin's Bane and the trapped dwarven company in Moria come to mind, as well as other aspects player-character interaction.

Rohan may contain other reasons for trepedation, but I'm really looking forward to the Epic line and all session play.

Mostly I'm worried about this due to the pacing requirements. The session plays are typically told as a flashback from a character that was there or has been told the story directly. In this case there were only a few people that experienced the breaking (1 less than there used to be actually). So in order to do a session play we are going to have to catch up and talk to one of the fellowship very soon. So, I guess that can happen while we talk with Aragorn behind the walls of Helm's Deep.... (JK). Just idle chatter to get us through the day. Again, I think this can happen and be done, but I am slightly worried about the staging of the actual conversation. Regards all.

We could meet Gandalf after he met the Hobbits, maybe? Or we interact with the Hobbits as well, when they are in Wellinghall, as we did with the Fellowship in Lothlorien.

It may be harder for the reunification of the three hunters and Gandalf, as they travel straight to Edoras after that.

Originally Posted by Arannir

We could meet Gandalf after he met the Hobbits, maybe? Or we interact with the Hobbits as well, when they are in Wellinghall, as we did with the Fellowship in Lothlorien.

Gandalf wasn't a first hand witness though.

when the uruks are killed outside of fangorn we can be there! if we reach kindred with eomers riders we will count as a rohhirim and we can kill the uruks in mounted combat

Originally Posted by Reniannen

Gandalf wasn't a first hand witness though.

I know, but he could tell us the way Aragorn or one of the others told him.

It better not be orc session play. I'm not going to fight Boromir. He's one of my favorite heroes, and I just can't do it.

Originally Posted by algonacy

The session plays are typically told as a flashback from a character that was there or has been told the story directly. In this case there were only a few people that experienced the breaking...

I think we're handling it in a pretty smart way. Be at ease.

Also: I'm very excited! Very, very excited!

MoL

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

I think we're handling it in a pretty smart way. Be at ease.

Also: I'm very excited! Very, very excited!

MoL

are we gonna be the Uruk hai that kills boromir? :P

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

Also: I'm very excited! Very, very excited!

Okay....So long as you're not in the street scaring the horses.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

the three hunters do stop for the night in Fangorn before meeting up with Gandalf, though that is a detailed stop in the books......

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

I think we're handling it in a pretty smart way. Be at ease.

Also: I'm very excited! Very, very excited!

MoL

I think it would be cool to play it from the Uruk-Hai perspective. Orc session play ahoy!

Personally, I'd rather see it is a dream or vision. Just because III.6.1 was SO GREAT.

It has already been established that dreams have power, and that they can be prophetic of real events -- though not necessarily in the order in which they are going to happen.

If we visit Amon Hen ourselves, which I understand we will, we could see a vision of what had previously happened without falling asleep. There are several examples in other fantasy IPs (Emma Bull's Finder in the Borderlands series comes to my mind) in which just touching some object triggers a psychic shock and a vision of how the object figured in someone's death.

E.g., we may assume that before Aragorn and company committed Boromir's body to the River, they removed the Orc-arrows that had killed him. You see a flashing broken arrow ... you examine it ... and you're shocked into a vision of how it was used.

Of course, this is all just me whistling in the wind, since Turbine have already planned out what they're going to do.

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

I think we're handling it in a pretty smart way. Be at ease.

Also: I'm very excited! Very, very excited!

MoL

I'm excited, too! You are, far and away, the best storyteller Turbine has, MoL, so please don't ever leave!

Amon Hen, Seeing Throne, Vision Flash...

If it's not a conversation we have directly with someone of the fellowship, or someone they'd just talked to, then a flashback vision sort of thing would work well. Don't exactly recall what the Seeing Throne was used for (or even if that's the right name for it) but we could easily have to interact with it (read /sit) and then see what unfolded on the hill below the ruins. Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Ayrolen

I'm excited, too! You are, far and away, the best storyteller Turbine has, MoL, so please don't ever leave!

Hear, Hear!

Originally Posted by BulbousBiggers

Amon Hen, Seeing Throne, Vision Flash...

If it's not a conversation we have directly with someone of the fellowship, or someone they'd just talked to, then a flashback vision sort of thing would work well. Don't exactly recall what the Seeing Throne was used for (or even if that's the right name for it) but we could easily have to interact with it (read /sit) and then see what unfolded on the hill below the ruins. Just a thought.

Ha, I wonder why I did not think about that earlier... of course! We could go there and have a vision of both the fight and the meeting of Gandalf and the Hunters... as the seat has powers not only for someone wearing the ring as Frodo did... although it is a bit of stretching also seeing the past and details like that, but I think it is a stretch I could live with gladly... especially as Tolkien never described the powers of the seat anyway.

Originally Posted by Thane9

I can imagine fighting the unwinnable fight as Boromir will be very fun. Make it repeatable. Add in deeds for how long you can hold out...or how many foes you bring down with you...or both...

I really like this idea.

It reminds me of the session play as the dwarf in Moria in the battle in the Chamber of Marzarbul "We cannot get out".

The idea for the deeds would make it even more fun.

Yeah I really hope we get to play as Boromir and he deserves a epic cutscene, Candaith & Narmeleth had it. Let the Captain of Gondor have it too.

Originally Posted by Ayrolen

I'm excited, too!

You guys are sweet! I'm going to stay for as long as they want me -- I love it here. ^_^

There are lots of possibilities for seeing things for which your characters weren't physically present, and this is definitely one of those times. How might things have been different if your characters *had* been there? Well, for one, if the Fellowship isn't broken, the Ring might not have been OMG SPOILERS destroyed.

We're lucky you weren't there!

MoL

Originally Posted by Thane9

I can imagine fighting the unwinnable fight as Boromir will be very fun. Make it repeatable. Add in deeds for how long you can hold out...or how many foes you bring down with you...or both...

New survival skirmish anyone?

Thank you MoL for taking the time to comment. You've helped turn my apprehension into excitement.

Regards