Thread: Rohan, a true pay to win expansion

http://rohan.lotro.com/pre-order.html


For only 30 dollars extra, you can buy yourself an extra legacy slot....

Come on, Turbine. That's a huge advantage in actual gameplay and also pvp, and cannot be achieved in any other way. Why are you digging your own grave like this? I'm appalled by your greedy behaviour. :-/

Appalled? Perhaps.
Surprised? No, not at all.

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I also noticed the tooltip for locked 6th bag said "Unlock your 6th inventory bag with the pre-order of Rohan!"

This could be taken as misleading, as I thought it would be available with every edition of pre-order. It isn't, only with the most expensive..

Ok Turbine...that is weak.

I already quit my freep and not VIP ...

but wonder how they will try to get more $$$ out of Creeps who continue to play with this expansion.

GW2 never looked so good

It is sad to see Turbine turn mine and others favorite game and favorite world (Middle-Earth) into something that is purely a money-making system. I hate to see my favorite game and world going down in flames because Turbine is too greedy to fix things and would rather push out expansion packs as fast as possible along with ignoring the cries of the pvpers.

Originally Posted by stoffi

http://rohan.lotro.com/pre-order.html


For only 30 dollars extra, you can buy yourself an extra legacy slot....

Come on, Turbine. That's a huge advantage in actual gameplay and also pvp, and cannot be achieved in any other way. Why are you digging your own grave like this? I'm appalled by your greedy behaviour. :-/

Guild Wars 2, I come!

Who cares? I'll be enjoying my time in GW2 at the weekend.

Dang, this is truly the moment when I've realized I'm done with this game. I can't begin to express how melancholy I am. For $69.99, I'd rather try a different game if this game can't produce a new PvP zone. Heck I would have been ecstatic to pay $70 if it meant a new map and PvMP revamps across the board freep and creep.

Fare thee well Turbine, I am done with your game.

Originally Posted by stoffi

http://rohan.lotro.com/pre-order.html


For only 30 dollars extra, you can buy yourself an extra legacy slot....

Stoffs, as someone pointed out elsewhere this is the 7th slot that was removed a few months ago....the slot that you can now buy...making a point on p2w not PvP balance

Originally Posted by TiberPancake

I also noticed the tooltip for locked 6th bag said "Unlock your 6th inventory bag with the pre-order of Rohan!"

This could be taken as misleading, as I thought it would be available with every edition of pre-order. It isn't, only with the most expensive..

Bloody good point, though WB/T will probably weasel around it buy saying that 'technically speaking' it is available through pre-purchase.

Originally Posted by Odin_of_Freyr

Dang, this is truly the moment when I've realized I'm done with this game. I can't begin to express how melancholy I am. For $69.99, I'd rather try a different game if this game can't produce a new PvP zone. Heck I would have been ecstatic to pay $70 if it meant a new map and PvMP revamps across the board freep and creep.

Fare thee well Turbine, I am done with your game.

Well said and + rep Odin. Thanks for expressing my same sentiments. I emptied and abandoned my housing, cancelled my VIP and am looking to the horizon for the next adventure. Health, wealth and happiness to all...

Full content is $70.

With the outrage going to happen. You will be able to buy that stuff in the store. Just like you can buy crystalfrags and emp/dev scrolls in the store.

as opposed to Rise of Isengard, a false pay to win expansion.

I understand the point people are making but let me play devil's advocate here a bit..

Re: the crystal. It adds a legacy (a major even) but you don't get any more points to spend on that legacy, so unless you take points from other legacies, it's likely to just sit there at the lowest rank...not much of an improvement actually...LESS of an improvement for those players with optimal Legandaries...a bit more for those with cruddy ones that need some help...

Re: mounted anything. My guess is the "exclusive" is just an emote or something lame. As for the Moors impact I doubt the moors will be activated for mounted combat...heck...I doubt our R12 mount will even be upgraded..

Re: the bag slot. This sucks. No doubt. Here's the worst case scenerio...a> it's only on the expensive pre-order, b> they add it to the store after rohan releases, c> the store version is CHARACTER linked, and not account linked. d> you kick yourself for not spending the $ to get the account linked version in the preorder.

Re: PvMP. We just don't know yet. Like the past 5 years...communication has been nil. We have no idea if Rohan will be the point where they FINALLY really do something major for PvMp or if they just do some minor tweaks to creepside to account for the +10 levels freepside. Time will tell. Thank goodness for lifetime accounts. My sympathies for those without.

Originally Posted by Thane9

We have no idea if Rohan will be the point where they FINALLY really do something major for PvMp..

This is exactly what Turbine wants you to think. Sadface :'(.

I have a lifetime account as well. It has saved me a lot of money since I bought my account in '07, but I haven't been playing lotro for a while now, so it doesn't matter. Turbine is a very greedy company who doesn't deserve neither my money or anyone else's. I wish people would stop being hopeful and thinking Turbine will change their ways and just move on already to better games where the devs actually care =/.

Once again there is no new end-game content upon release of an EXPANSION. What is the incentive for freeps to level? Hurry up and run OLD CONTENT to get gear? Come on, really? The whole pre-order is 100% pay2win. It doesn't mention anything about new instances and regular substance that would be included in a real expansion.

Creeps -> auto leveled (assuming they remembered this. The lotro store may have been a bit distracting)

Freeps -> they could level...but then they run old content and there is no end-game. Why level? On top of that, this expansion is even less reason for anyone to remain VIP except life-timers <--less freeps.

No freeps = no creeps. Turbine will have finally reached its goal.

Edit: wanted to address an interesting point.

Originally Posted by Thane9

Re: the crystal. It adds a legacy (a major even) but you don't get any more points to spend on that legacy, so unless you take points from other legacies, it's likely to just sit there at the lowest rank...not much of an improvement actually...LESS of an improvement for those players with optimal Legandaries...a bit more for those with cruddy ones that need some help...

The thing is, the LI system is a gamble in terms of how many pool As each class needs. I've seen many classes get shafted because they only managed 3 pool As on a legendary when they really need 4 or 5 pool As. They might not have more points to spend, but the points they have will be put into better legacies making the weapon/class item better off. This is another P2W scheme to make money. Did I mention the major legacy will likely be a random T2 legacy which brings people back to wanting more scrolls of empowerment which is convieniently on the lotro store?

Originally Posted by Odin_of_Freyr

Dang, this is truly the moment when I've realized I'm done with this game. I can't begin to express how melancholy I am. For $69.99, I'd rather try a different game if this game can't produce a new PvP zone. Heck I would have been ecstatic to pay $70 if it meant a new map and PvMP revamps across the board freep and creep.

Fare thee well Turbine, I am done with your game.

Yes. I read the update info and was not suprised to see nothing about PvMP.

Sadly I did not buy a lifetime.

S...ss..... seventy dollars? That's about €55... for an expansion that is probably bad....

89% GW2 BWE2 patch cruising alongs at 2MB/s...

LOL at $70...paying for the name is what Turbine is expecting. I have a lifetime account and have a big fan of this game for a long time. I just don't have the heart to keep feeding Turbine though. While the coffin lid will never fully be nailed down, another nail will be driven into it after this weekend.

If RoR ends up having a huge PvMP update (everyone laugh with me) then maybe when and if I get bored with GW2 down the road I will look into buying the expansion discounted.

3 weeks and counting since I put any time into the game I played every single day I could for 4+ years.

I honestly wonder why I ever quit the original guild wars, what a waste of time. Over halfway to R14 and only a shabby cosmetic cloak to show for it.

FaQ says crystals avaivble through store aswell(you can grind) same with bag, so not really pay 2 win though freep vs creepwise it sucks

Those who will pay $30 for an extra LI slot far outnumber those who speak words of wisdom here.

Man I just downloaded a huge patch for BWE2 yesterday.

Yeah I'm done with the game. I'm just browsing the forums until GW2 comes out.

Originally Posted by Odin_of_Freyr

Dang, this is truly the moment when I've realized I'm done with this game. I can't begin to express how melancholy I am. For $69.99, I'd rather try a different game if this game can't produce a new PvP zone. Heck I would have been ecstatic to pay $70 if it meant a new map and PvMP revamps across the board freep and creep.

Fare thee well Turbine, I am done with your game.

/sign +rep

Unfortunately,it is Lifetimers that Turbine cares the least about,wich is quite obvious,since we bring in the least of Money overall.

It has been years that they promised to work on PvMP. True they did some work,but overall imo it was more bad then good (anyone else think SoA was the best time so far?),and alot of empty promises along the way just to keep players playing.

Now,as Thane said they might have some huge pvmp update somewhere hidden for RoR,although,if anyone really believes that at this Point,with the PvMP History of Lotro,he also still believes in Santa. Id love to get proven wrong by TB this time,really!

It wasnt all as bad as some made it,alot is just frustration and personal biased viewpoints,however more and more players creeps and freeps keep saying PvMP needs work urgently,loads have left,more will certainly leave. Sad to see that TB did not care enough for PvMP,cause even tho it was more of a side game next to the nice pve storyline etc,it was Fun and had Potential.

What was so special about SoA that creeps loved so much?

Originally Posted by Stevo6

What was so special about SoA that creeps loved so much?

most balanced pvmp ever...

Originally Posted by Theandil

most balanced pvmp ever...

I was actually really fond of late U4 PvMP.

Probably the last real attest to balance since then.

Originally Posted by Winterfell

LOL at $70...paying for the name is what Turbine is expecting. I have a lifetime account and have a big fan of this game for a long time. I just don't have the heart to keep feeding Turbine though.

3 weeks and counting since I put any time into the game I played every single day I could for 4+ years.

$70 is really not alot when you think about it, but I think for me, it is just the fact that I know it won't be worth $70, or heck even $40. When they don't mention end-game of any sort, it is a clear signal. I'm done here.

As for the special skill you get for your warhorse, it's a once per day skill.
I'm guessing some small speed boost, or a little morale boost for the horse - nothing that will make any significant difference in game.

I'm more "ticked" by the fact that the quests themselves that lead to it are exclusive to the Legendary bundle buyers.

Even the crystal doesn't make much of a difference to me.
There is really no need (or points) for an extra legacy on most LIs...

I see this expansions value at around 10 to 15$ for me, if it ever drops to around that point I'll purchase it. No instance cluster, 10 more levels of corny quest line PvE, mounted combat is what your really buying. And I hear that will be availible to f2p, but I imagine the end game grind will have to do with a warbands daily for rep. Maybe some sch/lib s5m's, those are always fun for the thousanth time.

Originally Posted by Theandil

most balanced pvmp ever...

Yeah, I was thoroughly fond of dust stacks enabling backwards time-travel and burglars being a violent mix of jet li and terminator.

not

Originally Posted by Sulfur

Yeah, I was thoroughly fond of dust stacks enabling backwards time-travel and burglars being a violent mix of jet li and terminator.

Specifically the last couple of books in SoA. Stacking dusts was removed by then.

Be honest though, a warg trying to sprint with 5 dusts on it, and STILL running at about 40% runspeed was hilarious.

Originally Posted by Valkyrielady

$70 is really not alot when you think about it, but I think for me, it is just the fact that I know it won't be worth $70, or heck even $40. When they don't mention end-game of any sort, it is a clear signal. I'm done here.

You are correct $70 is not that much for a game...I paid $70-80 for GW2 Deluxe Digital before I could even play 1 second of it. Your point (which was in fact my basic point) is correct, $70 is too much money for an expansion from Turblind. I hope at some point in the future Turblind will open up both eyes instead of just keeping the evil eye of money/sauron and get back to what made this game really fun for me for so long.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Man I just downloaded a huge patch for BWE2 yesterday.

Yeah I'm done with the game. I'm just browsing the forums until GW2 comes out.

^ this, I can't say I have much respect for Turbine as a company, all that the games been good for as of late is the mild entertainment from them getting flamed constantly by their costumers on the forums.

I'm sure they'll still keep going even after GW2 since it goes without saying that maybe 20% of the actual in game population actively participate on the forums, so there are some who are still oblivious to just how bad things are with the game itself. But how long it will last is a good question I mean I pegged this to last 10 years, but I'm kind doubting it now, quantity and quality of content even in a PvE respect is steadily getting weaker and weaker, and yet they ask for more and more money from players.

Anyways I really don't care.

Originally Posted by Notaforumguy007

^ this, I can't say I have much respect for Turbine as a company, all that the games been good for as of late is the mild entertainment from them getting flamed constantly by their costumers on the forums.

I'm sure they'll still keep going even after GW2 since it goes without saying that maybe 20% of the actual in game population actively participate on the forums, so there are some who are still oblivious to just how bad things are with the game itself. But how long it will last is a good question I mean I pegged this to last 10 years, but I'm kind doubting it now, quantity and quality of content even in a PvE respect is steadily getting weaker and weaker, and yet they ask for more and more money from players.

Anyways I really don't care.

Oh people will stay. I think the fact it's a Lord of the Rings style has what's kept people for years. It's why I stayed until Update 7, then I just gave up.

Isn't some of the PvE content bugged as hell with RoI. What about that huge dragon? Is that still bugged?

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Oh people will stay. I think the fact it's a Lord of the Rings style has what's kept people for years. It's why I stayed until Update 7, then I just gave up.

Isn't some of the PvE content bugged as hell with RoI. What about that huge dragon? Is that still bugged?

Turbine thinks that when the update bugs > the update bonuses, this means success and a job well done.

Originally Posted by Valkyrielady

$70 is really not alot when you think about it, but I think for me, it is just the fact that I know it won't be worth $70, or heck even $40. When they don't mention end-game of any sort, it is a clear signal. I'm done here.

And that is just it. $70 certainly isn't a lot but neither is the expansion when it sounds like more of the same. I could spend that money on something new.

And huge lol at Turbine, the exit survey has not been updated since before Isen.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Oh people will stay. I think the fact it's a Lord of the Rings style has what's kept people for years. It's why I stayed until Update 7, then I just gave up.

Isn't some of the PvE content bugged as hell with RoI. What about that huge dragon? Is that still bugged?

The dragon only bugs now when you exploit tank it as far as I understand.

I'm eager to learn more about this solo end-game experience l0l0l0l0l