Thread: Five Years : No new PVMP Map

Justify this.

"we do not have the resources to do that right now"

"this is a known issue"

"It will be out shortly after the expansion"....yea the one from almost a year ago!

New PvMP map wont change a thing unless they change the mechanics, sure just fill ettenmoors with sand & snow..
If thats all we are going to see in the new PvMP map it aint even worth it.

Too bad this question wasnt asked in the Q and A

Originally Posted by Gundamyr

Too bad this question wasnt asked in the Q and A

I think that it was disqualified by virtue of not being a question.

i honestly dont see the point

it would just split the community if you left moors up, deleting moors would create more rage, and finally most likely a new map would work similarly to moors. If it aint that broken dont fix it, you peopel just want re-skin on moors map?

I (and anyone else would is in their right mind) would be completely fine with them deleting the moors and replacing it with another map.

Originally Posted by Daec

I (and anyone else would is in their right mind) would be completely fine with them deleting the moors and replacing it with another map.

Agreed.

One where you don't move 5 feet and you're at a rez circle or a keep/camp filled with npcs. Lately I feel like I have to PvE my way through more and more NPCs everywhere I turn. The TA Lawn/EC/ECB and WTA/OC/OCB action that is abundant on all servers is a prime indicator of that. You don't have to go far to find safety. Eliminate that. Let us PvP.

PurebloodWorg your rep. is slacking. Make an effort, will you.

Originally Posted by DreagonMK

You don't have to go far to find safety. Eliminate that. Let us PvP.

There is no game design for even fights out in the Moors. Taking away npcs/one-shotters would eliminate the safety. Because the sides will always be unbalanced people aren't going stick around after being constantly zerged with no hope of getting a kill themselves. NPCs can actually balance the Moors out a bit if things aren't overly lopsided. A Moors without npcs is going be a Moors without PvP.

To back up my statement, you already gave all that is needed to know: "The TA Lawn/EC/ECB and WTA/OC/OCB action that is abundant on all servers is a prime indicator of that." Clearly there are locations that have no npcs but people choose to go to the locations with npcs, eh.

Sometimes while playing Lotro and in danger of being in a good mood I go and reread

http://www.lotro.com/news/pressrelea...se-of-isengard

That sets things aright.

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

Sometimes while playing Lotro and in danger of being in a good mood I go and reread

http://www.lotro.com/news/pressrelea...se-of-isengard

That sets things aright.

Expanded Monster Play – LOTRO’s monster play system will get a major revamp including opening up the feature to all players, changes to monster player skills and advancement and a brand new region for players to battle for or against the forces of evil.

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Originally Posted by dragerslayer

i honestly dont see the point

it would just split the community if you left moors up, deleting moors would create more rage, and finally most likely a new map would work similarly to moors. If it aint that broken dont fix it, you peopel just want re-skin on moors map?

A new map along with some fresh changes would vitalise lotro PvP, no doubt about it. We would get a new spring.

This is why I don't pay Turbine anymore.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

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"Expanded Monster Play – LOTRO’s monster play system will get a major revamp including opening up the feature to all players, changes to monster player skills and advancement and a brand new region for players to battle for or against the forces of evil."
Derp overload...they said nothing like that about RoR cause they know they wont do anything. Only thing they'll do is make audacity grind worse and give us 10 more levels.....

*waiting for GW2 beta*

Originally Posted by Witch0King

"Expanded Monster Play – LOTRO’s monster play system will get a major revamp including opening up the feature to all players, changes to monster player skills and advancement and a brand new region for players to battle for or against the forces of evil."
Derp overload...they said nothing like that about RoR cause they know they wont do anything. Only thing they'll do is make audacity grind worse and give us 10 more levels.....

*waiting for GW2 beta*

We're going to 85 with RoR?

I think a new map is really a few years too late and at this point it's hard to see how it would revitalize the Moors when the majority of the old players (that is, those players for whom the current map is so played out) have left and when the general LOTRO community has only ever heard bad things about the PvMP system, most especially from Moors players themselves. These very forums paint a picture of a system that is badly broken and generally unpleasant.

The last (and really only) surge in general player interest-BK12-occured under very different cirumstances. At that time you had a whole generation (the largest and arguably most involved, the year 1 crowd) that had run out of PVE content and had little to no preconceptions about the Moors. We were intrigued by Turbine's insistance that the Moors was now really ready to go as a system and were tempted by PvP sets that were genuinely attractive at a time when top end PVE and Crafting gear was very hard to aquire (I'm sure some still remember the nearly orgasmic joy felt when critting on the Exquisite Radiant Cloak). The Bk12 babies (as we used to be called) formed the core of the community that would sustain PvMP for some years to come. All of that has changed now, added to the fact that we are talking about a game in its 6th year.

Moreover,

http://www.guardiansofmiddleearth.com/lang_select

WB has more or less spoken, insofar as its LOTR PvP investments are concerned. The money is going to Monolith. Some can shake their fists at Jared Pruette and hurl invective at Turbine but it is what it is, take it or leave it.

Common sense would tell you " hey I think these players need a new map after 1 year...2 years....3 years....4 years....5 years.."

Throw any Map Pack up for sale on a popular PVP game...it definitely will sell

Imagine if classic games like Unreal Tournament or the newer Call of Duty ....were the SAME map over and over again

Originally Posted by Witch0King

*waiting for GW2 beta*

Yeah. You'd think that Turbine would at least TRY to keep some of their customers.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Yeah. You'd think that Turbine would at least TRY to keep some of their customers.

They're too distracted by the Store to know.

Originally Posted by Witch0King

New PvMP map wont change a thing unless they change the mechanics, sure just fill ettenmoors with sand & snow..
If thats all we are going to see in the new PvMP map it aint even worth it.

QFT + rep.

The reality is we don't need a new map. The current map is VERY VERY VERY underutalized.

What we need is a revamp to our mechanics and a trueing up of the power curves.

Originally Posted by Thane9

QFT + rep.

The current map is VERY VERY VERY underutalized.

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Maybe because the current map = boring and 5 years old ?

While I really do appreciate the need for removing the monotony, and I do not appreciate them lying about this so often...

I do think that the Ettenmoors is actually a good map. Physically, it is well balanced on both sides and it is a good size. I want them to fix and improve the mechanics before actually trying to expand upon the landscape.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

I want them to fix and improve the mechanics before actually trying to expand upon the landscape.

Does it have to be one or the other?

We are not talking about 5 months...its 5 YEARS

I change cars in less time than that

Originally Posted by Gundamyr

Does it have to be one or the other?

You're forgetting that this is Turbine we're talking about.

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

Sometimes while playing Lotro and in danger of being in a good mood I go and reread

http://www.lotro.com/news/pressrelea...se-of-isengard

That sets things aright.

Gave you rep for that one. I had a rather big laugh. Good thing I have my pre-order for GW2. They've already done more for PvP in the month between beta weekends than Turbine has done in five years.

Fool me once, shame on you Turbine.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

That's why I've cancelled my subscription. I'm off to find another game.

Damn Turbine can't even balance out the DPS for both factions! Dont expect a map for least a year or two (assumption based on NO information given by Turbine) Freeps being the superior dps faction atm by far... I mean seriously you creators even test this place or tend to make a change then focus on ur bloody store all the time?

One thing for sure, I aint spending that excessive amount of money on this next update -

GW2 ftw.

Originally Posted by Gundamyr

Maybe because the current map = boring and 5 years old ?

OR the existing mechanics and risk/reward structure encourage very limited styles of play over VERY limited areas of the map.

There are some very dynamic areas of the map that are horribly underutalized. VERY fun fights can occur in places where no one goes. Why? Because the MECHANICS and risk/rewards need tweaked.

A new map without those changes would result in a new STAB. I guarentee it. The same things would happen on a new map and the same 5% landmass utalization would occur.

Fix PvMP, THEN explore the need for a new landmass.

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The Delving is pretty big...they "added" that PvMP zone. When was the last time you saw regular fighting down there?

Nearly everything west of the hoardale south of the rez is pristine.
Nearly everything north of TR rez east of the hoardals is pristine.
The northern ridge is abandoned other than the rare creep running to the poison spot.
the SE corner from SOP to GV only ever sees freeps riding by and maybe a warg gank group.

I could keep going on...suffice it to say nearly the entire map is void of PvMP action. Why?

It's NOT the map. It's the mechanics and incentives (and lack thereof) ON the map.

Originally Posted by Thane9

OR the existing mechanics and risk/reward structure encourage very limited styles of play over VERY limited areas of the map.

There are some very dynamic areas of the map that are horribly underutalized. VERY fun fights can occur in places where no one goes. Why? Because the MECHANICS and risk/rewards need tweaked.

A new map without those changes would result in a new STAB. I guarentee it. The same things would happen on a new map and the same 5% landmass utalization would occur.

Fix PvMP, THEN explore the need for a new landmass.

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The Delving is pretty big...they "added" that PvMP zone. When was the last time you saw regular fighting down there?

Nearly everything west of the hoardale south of the rez is pristine.
Nearly everything north of TR rez east of the hoardals is pristine.
The northern ridge is abandoned other than the rare creep running to the poison spot.
the SE corner from SOP to GV only ever sees freeps riding by and maybe a warg gank group.

I could keep going on...suffice it to say nearly the entire map is void of PvMP action. Why?

It's NOT the map. It's the mechanics and incentives (and lack thereof) ON the map.

But in reality what is easier to accomplish ?

Revamped incentives and mechanics.....or copy and paste an existing map for PVMP ?

The Delving is a pain to travel to and navigate once inside...thats why its usually void