Thread: Ongoing Ettenmoors Discussion

Originally Posted by edjepredje

mm, so you CJ a cappy who has been longer in your own kin than in a kin with me. Oke do i care?

and OW MY GOD! you killed a hunter on your warg! and died in the process. You so pro!

I dont have to remind you what happend the last time i sparred your warg right? YOU ran away when vanni came to spectate at LC HS.

*giggle*
And he thought you are friends? Yesterday in raid he even said you all are his best friends and you've been in his house and now you don't care about him getting killed?! omg!

Warg with 7 audacity killed hunter with full audacity and I had NPCs on me. I guess he could live but you were busy running upstairs

*Laugh*
Spectate? Since when sprinting towards 6k morale warg with seeking blades active is watching fight?


I have advice for you, uninstall lotro and live with your delusions away from here so we don't have to read your complete bull&&&&

Originally Posted by Retarius

And he thought you are friends? Yesterday in raid he even said you all are his best friends and you've been in his house and now you don't care about him getting killed?! omg!

This says it all. Your life must be pretty miserable if you associate feelings and question friendship over a death in a GAME.

Originally Posted by Retarius

Warg with 7 audacity killed hunter with full audacity and I had NPCs on me. I guess he could live but you were busy running upstairs

Originally Posted by Retarius

Spectate? Since when sprinting towards 6k morale warg with seeking blades active is watching fight?

well w/e it was even called out in Freep OOC. So if he really intented to do that than i guess he has his reasons. It's not like you came back to do another spar or something.

Originally Posted by Retarius

I have advice for you, uninstall lotro

Just because you deleted your champ, doesnt mean everyone has to do it. It's funny to see your braincel raging so hard though

Originally Posted by edjepredje

This says it all. Your life must be pretty miserable if you associate feelings and question friendship over a death in a GAME.










well w/e it was even called out in Freep OOC. So if he really intented to do that than i guess he has his reasons. It's not like you came back to do another spar or something.




Just because you deleted your champ, doesnt mean everyone has to do it. It's funny to see your braincel raging so hard though

And I thought you can't fail harder yet you keep copying meme I used for second time.


As for friendship part, I am once again not surprised that you can't see that I wasn't serious there...

I was there but you were away once Vani was gone.


Keep repeating braincell comment I bet you and your friends have a lot of fun repeating insult for 2412341234 time, but what do I expect you are not capable of thinking alone.

Originally Posted by Retarius

*giggle*

Warg with 7 audacity killed hunter with full audacity and I had NPCs on me.

Sorry ret but you didn't had npc on you or I didn't saw him. my nh was on cd and you had 4 red op's, anyway, it was nice fight.

Gwailagor

Enough of forum 1vs1.



/Discuss

GM pidlen

Originally Posted by Retarius

Keep repeating braincell comment

You only have one braincell!

Originally Posted by Sova

Sorry ret but you didn't had npc on you or I didn't saw him. my nh was on cd and you had 4 red op's, anyway, it was nice fight.

Gwailagor

I had 1 of archers on me.

Originally Posted by Retarius

And I thought you can't fail harder yet you keep copying meme I used for second time.

You see its not about who used it. Its about the text.

Originally Posted by Retarius

As for friendship part, I am once again not surprised that you can't see that I wasn't serious there...

Are you ever serious? Never thought so to begin with.

Originally Posted by Retarius

I was there but you were away once Vani was gone.

Next time, pop out of stealth.

Originally Posted by Retarius

Keep repeating braincell comment I bet you and your friends have a lot of fun repeating insult for 2412341234 time, but what do I expect you are not capable of thinking alone.

Action has been excellent tonight. Unplanned 22-man tribe raid, I am happy.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Action has been excellent tonight. Unplanned 22-man tribe raid, I am happy.

Man and Tribe, what is going on?

Originally Posted by Retarius

I must agree with stoff here. Warg is far harder to play than hunter.
1. Warg has to learn how to stay behind target for positional damage, unlike hunter which turns combat assistance and spams PS.
2. Warg has to learn his debuffs, 1 or 2 debuffs can make the difference between loss and win.
3. Warg has to time his stuns perfectly, there's nothing better than stunning fully buffed hunter mid ISB animation.
4. Shadow wargs have roughly 10-20% less mitigations than hunters and have only 1 skill that bypasses mitigations (which btw isn't that good), flayer wargs are tad different but there's not many competent flayer wargs on gilrain.

1. Hunter has inductions that if they get interupted they go on cooldown so if needfull haste is on cooldown.
2. Hunter MUST learn to turn his mouse because if he wont face his target he cant hit ranged skills.
3. Hunter must spot the warg fast enough or he has taken enough dps to make it even more harder for him.
4. Hunter must use skills like low cut / qq of the predator / Parry+ skill (cant remember the name) IN ORDER TO USE THAT AMAZING OVERPOWERED HEAL OF HIS xD (Low cut/Barbed arrow/QQ of the predator might get resisted yeah wrong will prolly get resisted)
5. Hunter doesnt have a stance that will make him less squishy.
6. Hunter doesnt have any espace skills so he must be carefull or he will turn wargmeat (sadly today ive seen my 4th solo warg in almost 2 months)
7. Hunter when gets jumped loses his improved focus skill which is seriously important for a good nuking start (Sadly after a good crit 90% hips or sprints and waits for the oppurtunity to appear)
8. Hunter must use his skills correctly so he has the chance to beat a warg because only dps wont win it for him EXCEPT 7 aud wargs.
9. Most hunters will get farmed to death with 7 audacity unlike the warg that has 2 escape skills and a ALL TIME stealth.

And ofc im speaking vs skilled wargs or at least the wargs who know more things than having a wargpack or spamming bestial claws on squishies.

Here we are tonight, in the biggest tribe raid I've ever seen on Gilrain:


Eventually we will have 24 or more.

Originally Posted by affected7

And ofc im speaking vs skilled wargs or at least the wargs who know more things than having a wargpack or spamming bestial claws on squishies.

Sadly there are not many solo wargs out there , I wish there was , nothing wrong with a 1 v 1 death even to a Warg . I truly miss seeing those hated few that had the ability to survive solo . I know of none worthy of that praise since perhaps Mokrum ( come back dude it's boring without you ! ) the rest live by numbers and are simply incapable of anything other than hiding behind the feeble excuse of P2W , integrity (do me a favour lol) , so called skill (do me a favour again) or just plain old dishonesty .

Wargs got a huge boost and perhaps rightly so with the last updates but there are no true greats anymore and I don't care how much certain clowns cj or use the "rude" emote , it won't change your status .

Strange and perhaps ironic that I actually rue and indeed mourn their passing . It was tough to beat them but hey that's what it's all about , the challenge .

Side bar ....been hunting recently only a few active burgs left . The action during the day had been pretty slow but nevertheless good , perhaps Brandy isn't the answer ...

To keep the dice rolling: I agree with Ret that going blue in the moors on champ is milking the cow a little bit too much, we're already extremely OP in a normal 1v1 situation(except against Defilers). Thats just the opinion from an old skool glass cannon though.

On a brighter note awesome RG raid tonight.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Here we are tonight, in the biggest tribe raid I've ever seen on Gilrain:


Eventually we will have 24 or more.

Managed to photobomb with 1 leg :-)

Was a great tribe night, thks freeps and tribe

Twas nice to see a large creep tribe raid, its rare indeed.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Action has been excellent tonight. Unplanned 22-man tribe raid, I am happy.

You guys lagged the game tottaly for me. I had to leave the raid for an hour :P. Still, it was very nice day .

Originally Posted by affected7

1. Hunter has inductions that if they get interupted they go on cooldown so if needfull haste is on cooldown.
2. Hunter MUST learn to turn his mouse because if he wont face his target he cant hit ranged skills.
3. Hunter must spot the warg fast enough or he has taken enough dps to make it even more harder for him.
4. Hunter must use skills like low cut / qq of the predator / Parry+ skill (cant remember the name) IN ORDER TO USE THAT AMAZING OVERPOWERED HEAL OF HIS xD (Low cut/Barbed arrow/QQ of the predator might get resisted yeah wrong will prolly get resisted)
5. Hunter doesnt have a stance that will make him less squishy.
6. Hunter doesnt have any espace skills so he must be carefull or he will turn wargmeat (sadly today ive seen my 4th solo warg in almost 2 months)
7. Hunter when gets jumped loses his improved focus skill which is seriously important for a good nuking start (Sadly after a good crit 90% hips or sprints and waits for the oppurtunity to appear)
8. Hunter must use his skills correctly so he has the chance to beat a warg because only dps wont win it for him EXCEPT 7 aud wargs.
9. Most hunters will get farmed to death with 7 audacity unlike the warg that has 2 escape skills and a ALL TIME stealth.

And ofc im speaking vs skilled wargs or at least the wargs who know more things than having a wargpack or spamming bestial claws on squishies.

Hunters don't NEED any of the above. They can simply stand still and press very few buttons without moving. Hunters are EASY to grasp, easy to get infamy on but hard to master, as with all classes. They don't depend on melee, a warg does. Hunters are not designed for melee, they are designed for range and that doesn't exactly demand a lot from you. Complaining about it is like me complaining about being poor, when living in the richest country in the world and still having bread on my table, going on vacations, etc. It's not credible; it's rather absurd.

Edit: No class has ALL TIME STEALTH. A hunter can be stealthed as much as any warg if he chooses to. But once any of them decide to attack, they have to leave stealth.

Originally Posted by Tirn

Sadly there are not many solo wargs out there , I wish there was , nothing wrong with a 1 v 1 death even to a Warg . I truly miss seeing those hated few that had the ability to survive solo . I know of none worthy of that praise since perhaps Mokrum ( come back dude it's boring without you ! ) the rest live by numbers and are simply incapable of anything other than hiding behind the feeble excuse of P2W , integrity (do me a favour lol) , so called skill (do me a favour again) or just plain old dishonesty .

Wargs got a huge boost and perhaps rightly so with the last updates but there are no true greats anymore and I don't care how much certain clowns cj or use the "rude" emote , it won't change your status .

Strange and perhaps ironic that I actually rue and indeed mourn their passing . It was tough to beat them but hey that's what it's all about , the challenge .

Side bar ....been hunting recently only a few active burgs left . The action during the day had been pretty slow but nevertheless good , perhaps Brandy isn't the answer ...

Sadly, there are not too many solo freeps out there, I wish there were.


No point blaming the wargs, as you do. Turbine "disabled" solo play so that it is close to eliminated. There is absolutely no point being a solo warg when all freeps are grouped. And the other way around, there's no point being a solo freep when all creeps are grouped(well, that's a lie, several classes are op enough to take on groups of creeps).

A few wargs grouped up, most quit or changed class when their solo days were over. Looking at the dailystays for each day is horrible, extremely few wargs up there.
And judging by those charts, there aren't many packs either.

Hunters on the other hand, thrive as well as ever. Not having to try for positional dmg, not having to move at all, only pressing a few buttons, not worrying much about cc, launching massive dmg in few seconds from 40m and safety. It's all good and easy, so hunters are still renown winners.


And yes, it is COMPLETELY absurd to claim that a 40m ranged pew class is harder to play than a melee/cc/stealth class. A melee/cc/stealth class involves soooo much more factors and they have to risk their neck to get infamy, whilst the hunter can focus on quick dps only, from 40m safety. Anyone who has played this kind of game could tell you the same thing without ever touching hunter or lotro pvp. Even Turbine says so. Ofc the hunter will die sometimes, but for every death he will have gotten loads of renown. If you find this logic unlogical, I suggest you try convincing people that warm is cold and cold is warm. When you've done that, perhaps you manage to bend logic here as well.


But I understand. Many hunter players have always lived in denial and due to the fact that their arch nemesis is the warg, they have created the illusion that wargs are easy and all players playing warg stink, with comments such as Keeslaff's, that he stinks and can kill most freeps, indirectly saying that most wargs stink but still pwn(none of us other wargs can stink and kill most freeps, but Keeslaff knows best). Hunters on the other hand, are extremely hard to grasp and rank very slowly. Only due to the incredible skill of so many hunter players are they able to get more renown than most classes and carry the day. This then justifies the whole hunter-warg situation for them, and they need this illusion to be able to keep their heads high....whilst the rest of us can't stop smiling.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Hunters don't NEED any of the above. They can simply stand still and press very few buttons without moving. Hunters are EASY to grasp, easy to get infamy on but hard to master, as with all classes. They don't depend on melee, a warg does. Hunters are not designed for melee, they are designed for range and that doesn't exactly demand a lot from you. Complaining about it is like me complaining about being poor, when living in the richest country in the world and still having bread on my table, going on vacations, etc. It's not credible; it's rather absurd.

100% true in PvE env or RvR.
But stoff, you have 5,5 years of experience in moors and you know that its rarely happening. In moors hunter is 80% in melee range. 40m advantage is a myth. Absurd is that you know everything about class you havent played. Ret posted his way of playing hunter and now i understand why he failed in 1v1 with r2 warg, without store skills.

Hunters on the other hand, thrive as well as ever. Not having to try for positional dmg, not having to move at all, only pressing a few buttons, not worrying much about cc, launching massive dmg in few seconds from 40m and safety. It's all good and easy, so hunters are still renown winners.

And yes, it is COMPLETELY absurd to claim that a 40m ranged pew class is harder to play than a melee/cc/stealth class. A melee/cc/stealth class involves soooo much more factors and they have to risk their neck to get infamy, whilst the hunter can focus on quick dps only, from 40m safety. Anyone who has played this kind of game could tell you the same thing without ever touching hunter or lotro pvp. Even Turbine says so. Ofc the hunter will die sometimes, but for every death he will have gotten loads of renown. If you find this logic unlogical, I suggest you try convincing people that warm is cold and cold is warm. When you've done that, perhaps you manage to bend logic here as well.

You keep repeating this 40m and safety arguments, but there is no invisible wall in 40m radius around hunter that you cannot pass, there is no force shield.

There is so many bad hunters bcuz theyre thinking just like you, and i repeat myself, dont call for logic, its Turbine.

But I understand. Many hunter players have always lived in denial and due to the fact that their arch nemesis is the warg, they have created the illusion that wargs are easy and all players playing warg stink, with comments such as Keeslaff's, that he stinks and can kill most freeps, indirectly saying that most wargs stink but still pwn(none of us other wargs can stink and kill most freeps, but Keeslaff knows best). Hunters on the other hand, are extremely hard to grasp and rank very slowly. Only due to the incredible skill of so many hunter players are they able to get more renown than most classes and carry the day. This then justifies the whole hunter-warg situation for them, and they need this illusion to be able to keep their heads high....whilst the rest of us can't stop smiling.

Firt, ive never said i can kill most freeps. I didnt siad that all wargs suck because i suck on warg. Dont lie please. Stop putting words in my mouth. Its low. Ive never said "Hunters on the other hand, are extremely hard to grasp and rank very slowly", another lie.

And only person in denial and illlusion is you stoff. Your "hunter play style" is illusion and you keep denying it. Ive never said "hunter is extremely difficult", im saying is not so easy as you think, and that warg is easier. To please you: hunter is easy, warg is easier. Happy?

I rolled warg to find out "how it is", and still when im on warg i keep asking myself "&&& is stoff talking about? its not that hard". Roll hunter, maybe you will ask yourself "&&& is Keeslaff talking about, its not that hard", but untill you do it i keep repeating "You have no idea what you are talking about". And its fact.

Playing warg is not rocket science, neither hunter. But comparing my experience (not sayin im experienced warg) on both classes ive found warg easier.

Originally Posted by giboosc

100% true in PvE env or RvR.
But stoff, you have 5,5 years of experience in moors and you know that its rarely happening. In moors hunter is 80% in melee range. 40m advantage is a myth. Absurd is that you know everything about class you havent played. Ret posted his way of playing hunter and now i understand why he failed in 1v1 with r2 warg, without store skills.



You keep repeating this 40m and safety arguments, but there is no invisible wall in 40m radius around hunter that you cannot pass, there is no force shield.

You're taking the term 'fantasy' to a whole new level here. A hunter is 80% of the time in melee range? With claims like that, you kinda throw away all shreds of credibility. Even my warg can't get into melee that much due to all the ranged freeps.

I trust you have been present at many of the thousands of ec/oc pew fests we've had, where ranged units dominate. Only when a sudden creep push surprises a slow hunter will he be forced to get into melee. I'd say a hunter is ranged 90-95% of the time.
Numbers are strength, and most hunters are grouped, giving them the range they need at all times. To die to a solo creep in a group of freeps is quite impossible unless you're lvl 40.
Also, if you get killed in a melee fight going from spawn to the fight, you're just lazy or you aren't very experienced. No one needs to be camped, only lazy people.

99% of your infamy comes from ranged fights, 90-95% of your time spent in the moors fighting someone is done at a range.

Hunter is melee 80% of the time.... You crack me up there.

Originally Posted by stoffi

You're taking the term 'fantasy' to a whole new level here. A hunter is 80% of the time in melee range? With claims like that, you kinda throw away all shreds of credibility. Even my warg can't get into melee that much due to all the ranged freeps.

I trust you have been present at many of the thousands of ec/oc pew fests we've had, where ranged units dominate. Only when a sudden creep push surprises a slow hunter will he be forced to get into melee. I'd say a hunter is ranged 90-95% of the time.
Numbers are strength, and most hunters are grouped, giving them the range they need at all times. To die to a solo creep in a group of freeps is quite impossible unless you're lvl 40.
Also, if you get killed in a melee fight going from spawn to the fight, you're just lazy or you aren't very experienced. No one needs to be camped, only lazy people.

99% of your infamy comes from ranged fights, 90-95% of your time spent in the moors fighting someone is done at a range.

Hunter is melee 80% of the time.... You crack me up there.

Hmm, i was preety sure im talking with average intelligent person. Do i really need keep repeating myself in every single post? Im talking about SOLO, not zerg, raid, group, SOLO. Get it?

Numbers are strength, and most hunters are grouped

exactly, and you know why? >put here my previous posts, all of them<

Off topic. When i speak to people i try to treat them seriously, and tryin to reply to ALL they say. I could take your extremely ignorant opinion about hunter stealth and keep "loling" at it for next 10 pages, because believe me, you showed your ignorance posting something like this, i was shocked how little you know about hunter class.

edit
Agree, that "80%" thing was exaggeration

Originally Posted by affected7

1. Hunter has inductions that if they get interupted they go on cooldown so if needfull haste is on cooldown.
2. Hunter MUST learn to turn his mouse because if he wont face his target he cant hit ranged skills.
3. Hunter must spot the warg fast enough or he has taken enough dps to make it even more harder for him.
4. Hunter must use skills like low cut / qq of the predator / Parry+ skill (cant remember the name) IN ORDER TO USE THAT AMAZING OVERPOWERED HEAL OF HIS xD (Low cut/Barbed arrow/QQ of the predator might get resisted yeah wrong will prolly get resisted)
5. Hunter doesnt have a stance that will make him less squishy.
6. Hunter doesnt have any espace skills so he must be carefull or he will turn wargmeat (sadly today ive seen my 4th solo warg in almost 2 months)
7. Hunter when gets jumped loses his improved focus skill which is seriously important for a good nuking start (Sadly after a good crit 90% hips or sprints and waits for the oppurtunity to appear)
8. Hunter must use his skills correctly so he has the chance to beat a warg because only dps wont win it for him EXCEPT 7 aud wargs.
9. Most hunters will get farmed to death with 7 audacity unlike the warg that has 2 escape skills and a ALL TIME stealth.

And ofc im speaking vs skilled wargs or at least the wargs who know more things than having a wargpack or spamming bestial claws on squishies.

1.Needful haste has 45s duration and has 1:30 cooldown, it's not so hard to have it up most of the time, also cry of the hunter prevents from induction setback, or it was supposed to do so.
2. So does every class, burglars and wargs have it harder because they both have to turn them to foes AND get behind their foes.
3.It's not true, even if warg starts the fight nothing is lost.
4. And warg has to use debuffs so? Agile rejoinder heal with legacy isn't too bad and every little heal matters.
5. But has traitline that can reduce chance of getting in melee range.
6. What do escape skills matter in fight?
7. What do you expect non moving target that will just stand there and be nuked? Thought you were talking about skilled wargs.
8. Every class has to use skills correctly to beat anything hunters are no exception for this.
9. Every player will be farmed if he can't play his class.


@kees

Bragging about killing audacity 1 hunter on auto run? Still can assure you it was easier for me to gank your storebranded hunter on my warg

Originally Posted by stoffi

Hunters don't NEED any of the above. They can simply stand still and press very few buttons without moving. Hunters are EASY to grasp, easy to get infamy on but hard to master, as with all classes. They don't depend on melee, a warg does. Hunters are not designed for melee, they are designed for range and that doesn't exactly demand a lot from you. Complaining about it is like me complaining about being poor, when living in the richest country in the world and still having bread on my table, going on vacations, etc. It's not credible; it's rather absurd.

Edit: No class has ALL TIME STEALTH. A hunter can be stealthed as much as any warg if he chooses to. But once any of them decide to attack, they have to leave stealth.

My god so you say a hunter can burn a flayer warg or a shadow in 2/3 seconds so the warg will reach him to land a few hits to achieve that you need to track the warg and sadly when you do it the warg can hit hips or sprint to avoid that advantage of the hunter EASILY sadly when hunter gets attacked he must stay and fight or to be close in a keep to hug npcs if he cant burn the warg. Those skills are a must for any classes he counter and if a hunter doesnt know them he is prolly new to his class or just not a main toon.

Have you even played the hunter? Freep rank will matter after u10 so more reknown is just for the showoff same as rating.(that goes for the easy reknown)

Burgs and stalkers can be all the time on stealth a hunter has only a STAND STILL stealth skill and if he is an elf a 30minutes cooldown slow movement stealth. I play both of classes and i know that by far its easier to be a warg on the area called ettenmoors than a hunter. If you make a hunter just to steal reknown with pew pew skills then i pity you.

Freeps are not soloers? you just lost it. last week i was solo every warg i faced decided to use hips and come with a pack or another creep.

Originally Posted by Beraine

Managed to photobomb with 1 leg :-)

One too many.

Originally Posted by Retarius

Bragging about killing audacity 1 hunter on auto run?

Last time we spoke about this youve said "i am poorly geared", now it was autorun (induction skills during autorun? strange), what will be next? "It wasnt me"? And im not bragging.

Still can assure you it was easier for me to gank your storebranded hunter on my warg

Its allways easier when you got 3 dog-fellas. Now youre braggin

Originally Posted by giboosc

Last time we spoke about this youve said "i am poorly geared", now it was autorun (induction skills during autorun? strange), what will be next? "It wasnt me"? And im not bragging.



Its allways easier when you got 3 dog-fellas. Now youre braggin

Now,now underpowered hunter go take your pills and talk less bs.

As for my warg, speak whatever you say I will always gank you like last noob on my warg.

Ret did you step out of a 360N0SC0P3SN41P3R3L173CODPWNER clan or something? I get that smell off you. Or maybe you forgot to change your nappy, it can be difficult to tell.

Nope, it's just simple to kill player that doesn't know his own class

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Ret did you step out of a 360N0SC0P3SN41P3R3L173CODPWNER clan or something? I get that smell off you. Or maybe you forgot to change your nappy, it can be difficult to tell.

Do not feed Troll

Guys, don't all be like wow or zomfg or OMFGYOUROCK....I once killed a lvl 40.

Originally Posted by giboosc

Do not feed Troll

If he can eat comments about his nappy then he has serious metabolic problems. That was not feeding.
This is feeding:

Ret please stop being so mean to us, come on. We are all sick of your comments. I hate you. We all hate you. You are such an annoying person...

^ That was feeding.

Apologies for responding a bit late, but I don't read this forum very much..

Originally Posted by Oldwiley

I can understand people getting annoyed with being nuked by warg packs by suprise, but have never understood the blind hatred or resentment it generates. Its pretty easy to call any class lame: There's always a way to justify it.

Succeeding in killing someone just because you can press a bunch of 'you may not use any skills at all' buttons (chainsilence, chainstun) is something I find fairly irritating. These skills simply obviate the need for skilled play.

Ok each to their own for sure, but wargs are no less likely to chainstun than burgs, loremasters or runekeepers, and there's plenty of cc swimming around on creep and freep side alike. Any group of 7 of anything is gonna nuke a solo and most likely cc it to death. If anything Gilrain has fewer "large" wargpacks than other servers.

Aren't they? There's hardly any burgs and LMs in the moors these days, and while RKs can stun, I am not really aware of them doing so exclusively and repeatedly.. Of wargs, otoh, there are quite a few. (I am not sure why I should care that wargs are even more obnoxious on other servers: Should I feel grateful?)
Furthermore, while it's all well and good to note that other classes exist that possess comparable skills, it seems to me that if those classes hardly ever behave the same way, this matters. As such, I'm not sure things even out as easily as you here try to suggest.

What most folks dislike about wargs is their ability to flee the scene of a crime, kk I an relate to that, but then again they are not built to take punishment, in the absence of this other toons adopt tactics that are equally predictable or irritating. I'm not "proud" of playing warg, but belittling it makes little sense, it takes a degree of competence to get the most out of like all the toons.

And hunters *are* built for it? What makes wargs special? If DF can be blocked in combat without devs caring about hunters dying a lot, so should sprint.

Hey guys, I'm not sure if the clubber RK will ever decide to do some real pvp, but I'm not going to throw even one heal at him. I hope people will follow because he's just a disgrace. I think the clubber reaver is him also and need to be taken in the same way. Sadly we can do only that. That was one of the advantages Coddies had over Turbine.


Btw. Holddoc you are the Mad Max of our PvP . Pleasure to fight against you

It certainly was fun at the end of the night but we ran out of tyrants :-)

Totally agree regards the clubbers Viriel, name and shame is all we can do really.

Originally Posted by rannion

Apologies for responding a bit late, but I don't read this forum very much..

Succeeding in killing someone just because you can press a bunch of 'you may not use any skills at all' buttons (chainsilence, chainstun) is something I find fairly irritating. These skills simply obviate the need for skilled play.

Aren't they? There's hardly any burgs and LMs in the moors these days, and while RKs can stun, I am not really aware of them doing so exclusively and repeatedly.. Of wargs, otoh, there are quite a few. (I am not sure why I should care that wargs are even more obnoxious on other servers: Should I feel grateful?)
Furthermore, while it's all well and good to note that other classes exist that possess comparable skills, it seems to me that if those classes hardly ever behave the same way, this matters. As such, I'm not sure things even out as easily as you here try to suggest.


And hunters *are* built for it? What makes wargs special? If DF can be blocked in combat without devs caring about hunters dying a lot, so should sprint.

A faceroll class aka warden QQ'ing about wargs? May i suggest deleting your class? You can start a warg instead and taste freep cc since you think warg cc is so OP.
Last post from me to you since you seem like a hater to me.
But ofc;

Haters gonna hate.

Originally Posted by rannion

Apologies for responding a bit late, but I don't read this forum very much..

Thats quite alright me old china:

Originally Posted by Oldwiley

I can understand people getting annoyed with being nuked by warg packs by suprise, but have never understood the blind hatred or resentment it generates. Its pretty easy to call any class lame: There's always a way to justify it.

Originally Posted by rannion

Succeeding in killing someone just because you can press a bunch of 'you may not use any skills at all' buttons (chainsilence, chainstun) is something I find fairly irritating. These skills simply obviate the need for skilled play.

Fair enough you find that irritating, but I think anyone playing any class being nuked by 7 toons while cc'd by them, which will happen pretty much no matter what is attacking you, is probably as annoying for that victim as wargs are for you. Even my reaver, the toughest of my creeps, is pretty much doomed if it gets attacked by an organised group, which is what a warg pack is basicly. Those you may not use any skills at all buttons are prevalent on a number of classes and trust me they all land on me.

You personally opened up on my reaver with an ambush recently. Were you rolling with tears that you had cc'd me and kicked off those bleeds and slow before I could charge?

When a burg/champ/champ/mini/etc stuns a warg and a lm drops a lotrd on the warg shortly after, in those few seconds the warg gets nuked, the warg is not immune to the 'you may not use any skills at all' it just dies quicker. CC is prevalent and effects everybody. What is different is if you play a toon who is more survivable; So that the initial burst does not kill you. Seriously if you resent CC, I am speachless to what you think creeps have endured for years. God bless diminishing returns and audacity cc reduction.

Originally Posted by Oldwiley

Ok each to their own for sure, but wargs are no less likely to chainstun than burgs, loremasters or runekeepers, and there's plenty of cc swimming around on creep and freep side alike. Any group of 7 of anything is gonna nuke a solo and most likely cc it to death. If anything Gilrain has fewer "large" wargpacks than other servers.

Originally Posted by rannion

Aren't they? There's hardly any burgs and LMs in the moors these days, and while RKs can stun, I am not really aware of them doing so exclusively and repeatedly..

All freeps can CC and in combination its still a chainstun. There are more loremasters than you imply and yup, less burgs these days, most are playing their minstrels in raids instead. This must be because minstrels are more skillful than burgs, not that burgs got nerfed.

I am going to assume, given your comment about rune keepers that you have never tried to creep against one. Not only do they stun and slow, but they can passively chain stun you each time you hit them just for kicks.

Trust me burgs chainstun whenever they can and as for loremasters >.< They take a break from CC long enough to pop a stacking bleed or debuff on you, bit like wargs do when they hit you with claws or debuff you. Oh that is when loremasters are not spam healing themselves, which those wargs cannot lol.

Originally Posted by rannion

Of wargs, otoh, there are quite a few. (I am not sure why I should care that wargs are even more obnoxious on other servers: Should I feel grateful?)
Furthermore, while it's all well and good to note that other classes exist that possess comparable skills, it seems to me that if those classes hardly ever behave the same way, this matters. As such, I'm not sure things even out as easily as you here try to suggest.

No my observation was that on other servers warg pack nukes are more common, I don't seek your gratitude. Remember there are six creep types, not nine; there will be a higher proportion of them by definition. Out of interest spiders and defilers are up, wargs are down.

Now just to be clear, you don't see other classes who use cc in a group to nuke down a target. Creeps are not held helpless while nuked or are not feared and slowed/bled incurably/stunned routinely as part of being killed:P ok, thats a gem.

If you mean hit and run, then fomerly more populous burgs did this. If burgs got a buff the moors would again be crawling with them doing the same all over. If you meant spawncamping, you know that hunters used to hang around spawn and nuke targets in 3 shots, very skillful, d/fing if they got tracked or spotted?

But more importantly there is not any real difference in a rk, mini, champ, cappie, hunter and tank and lm nuking a target and then using heals, shield walls, last stands, sprints, spike heals on the move, hots, stun immunites, roots, bubbles etc etc to then get to a place of safety like lug backdoor or whatever.

Because if you are implying there is a huge amount of skill in using the extreme skills any class has then my word you over rate this game. Because pressing a few buttons, even if they are not labelled sprint is not academy level stuff. People are just using the options available to them to do the same thing, defiant challenge anyone? It requires a degree of competance for sure to coordinate a team.

Originally Posted by Oldwiley

What most folks dislike about wargs is their ability to flee the scene of a crime, kk I an relate to that, but then again they are not built to take punishment, in the absence of this other toons adopt tactics that are equally predictable or irritating. I'm not "proud" of playing warg, but belittling it makes little sense, it takes a degree of competence to get the most out of like all the toons.

Originally Posted by rannion

And hunters *are* built for it? What makes wargs special? If DF can be blocked in combat without devs caring about hunters dying a lot, so should sprint.

Did you play when hunters could d/f? Because it was an if I am attacked I can pop to the graveyard immediately to avoid death skill.
There is no offensive use for this skill, unlike sprint. Sprint does not remove you from the map. You can be interrrupted by cc and killed, you can be found elsewhere, possibly bleeding and unable to stealth and killed, or followed on horse, tracked and pursued.

At no point during my post did I claim hunters to be easier, or harder to play than wargs. It made for an interesting choice for comparison rather than your own class.

Hunters have one thing wargs don't; extreme ranged damage. Having d/f as well was ridiclous. You know that a lot of wargs die.. a lot; if wargs had d/f as well, I'd just be agreeing with you. Sprint is a very powerful tool.

So to summarise:
In order for skill to be present, wargs should gain back morale for each hit they make, a limited time avoid all damage skill (dodgem doggie) should be added, a full heal on hips, rising evade for skill combos, an auto knockdown on tendon shred, lose pounce and sprint and silence, but gain a dot fear and ranged goblin javelin thrower on their back that never runs out of javelins, an immunity to stun skill combo and a serious increase in their incurable bleeds, flayer mitigations in shadow, oh and a straight increase in non-positional damage.

That would be fine then.

Or they could just put bad wardens of angmar against good wardens of bree and remove all the other toons maybe? We'd all be "highly skilled", if not even more bored than we are now.

Cya out there. I like the word obviate. Ungulate is also a good word.

Originally Posted by grapez

A faceroll class aka warden QQ'ing about wargs? May i suggest deleting your class? You can start a warg instead and taste freep cc since you think warg cc is so OP.
Last post from me to you since you seem like a hater to me.
But ofc;

Haters gonna hate.

Sure you may suggest that; but no, even if I would stay away from the moors, I still wouldn't roll a warg, and not because "I think they're OP". Learn to read. What I think is abusive is not using a stun once or twice during a longer fight, but relying on stuns to get your kills.. Guess the difference is too subtle for some, or perhaps you've just lost sight of that fact.

Anyway, feel free to "ignore" me, as the content of your replies seems to suggest to me that you're not reading too closely anyway, it would at least save me the effort of having to correct you again and again.

Originally Posted by rannion

but relying on stuns to get your kills..

Funny when it comes to wardens whos relying on their bleed damages (pew pew from sides and let him die from bleeds...if they attack me simply draw morale till help comes )....and also since you wouldnt roll a warg what would you know about playing a warg...if you gonna judge sth atleast learn sth about it, but not just what you heard or read from others!

A wise man once said!
''It is important to draw wisdom from different places. If you take it from only one place it become rigid and stale.Understanding others,will help you become whole.''

P.S: im not judging wardens play style...it's how they created...but first try play a warg and get your own idea!!!