Thread: How is pvp on Snowbourn?

I think there's nothing wrong with a little victory dance after the kill :d

Quote: `flechanegra continue , corpse jumping , and your life in EM will be a lot harder`
But it's nice tool, if you can provoke the other side to try harder to kill you

Quote: `flechanegra continue , corpse jumping , and your life in EM will be a lot harder`

Ehehe that screenshot is some months old and you were new in the server when i posted it, so I felt compelled to let me know and challenge you and your friends and it seems i reached the point ( more enemies more Renown and more learning )

The "pvmp" on Snowbourn is legendary!

We have raids up constantly zerging around and flipping keeps all day long. We got warg packs taking shifts during day and night to camp our graveyards.

The creep raids mainly are builded on 16 Blackarrows, 4 defilers, 4 warleaders - So it is very fun if you are melee.

The freep raids mainly are builded on op minstrels that got light armour but are the strongest class in-game.

We got a wonderful 1v1 area that are being clubbed constantly and ganked all day long by lowlifers and their friends just to try to ruin it since it is so balanced and stable.

And we got a unbealivable heroic pve content in pvmp that people abuse 24/7, like the level 1 bird at TR fields.

Originally Posted by Gonlas

Hows the PVP going on in Snowbourn? E.g. Balance, active/inactive and so on..

Originally Posted by Arahor_Azure

The creep raids mainly are builded on 16 Blackarrows, 4 defilers, 4 warleaders - So it is very fun if you are melee.

The freep raids mainly are builded on op minstrels that got light armour but are the strongest class in-game.

Seems balanced

Originally Posted by Arahor_Azure

We have raids up constantly zerging around and flipping keeps all day long. We got warg packs taking shifts during day and night to camp our graveyards.

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We got a wonderful 1v1 area that are being clubbed constantly and ganked all day long by lowlifers and their friends just to try to ruin it since it is so balanced and stable.

And we got a unbealivable heroic pve content in pvmp that people abuse 24/7, like the level 1 bird at TR fields.

A lot of activity

Gonlas, it's perfect! so will you transfer?

been taught to adapt to the rules of established community when I am a newcomer, but apparently not everyone been raised that way ...

got nothing against organized transfer group, it brings some good pvp, but find very very lame rank 12,13 wargs jumping everyone available on low morale, usually after rez and especially hunters, over and over again .. are you really that infamy hungry on these ranks? (and if you ask, no, I am not the enraged victim, just an observer) ... never seen old snowy high rank dogs act like that (Bt, Ull, etc.)

this is still just a game and should be played with some respect, no matter how hard someone tries to argue with "but, zis is a wooaaaaar!!!"

Originally Posted by peecha

been taught to adapt to the rules of established community when I am a newcomer, but apparently not everyone been raised that way ...

Do share these rules please.

Originally Posted by peecha

but find very very lame rank 12,13 wargs jumping everyone available on low morale

From now on I will only jump people that have full morale..

Originally Posted by peecha

usually after rez

.. and only after they position themselves in the middle of a zerg or a keep..

Originally Posted by peecha

and especially hunters

..I will especially target self healing wardens..

Originally Posted by peecha

over and over again

..and if I kill them once, I won't attack them again for the day..

Originally Posted by peecha

are you really that infamy hungry on these ranks?

..It is tru, high ranks don't want to earn infamy..

Originally Posted by peecha

this is still just a game and should be played with some respect

..Sorry for disrespecting you by killing you in a pvmp zone. I will only hug and cuddle from now on...

you may be surprised, but I do not usually kill the same person more then 2 times in a row (if I can choose not to) and remember some other wargs acting so, I play for good kills, not for easy points ... I don't feel the need to bully some poor nab hunter in orthank set for 10th time like you or vitalbite for 20 points of infamy

Originally Posted by Dacil

Did you miss something? lol you missed almost everything.
How about:
i)terrain exploiters
ii)lame cjers
iii)keep huggers
iv)spar gankers
v)gy campers

And I still think combined we missed lots of stuff. zS

You were right Dear Daec
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Nice example of Terrain Exploiting, like you did 2 min after on the wolf cave .....

Originally Posted by peecha

you may be surprised, but I do not usually kill the same person more then 2 times in a row (if I can choose not to) and remember some other wargs acting so, I play for good kills, not for easy points ... I don't feel the need to bully some poor nab hunter in orthank set for 10th time like you or vitalbite for 20 points of infamy

You may be surprised but I don't spare people, I play to kill. Unless someone outsmarts, outmanouvres , or outruns me, I will attack and try to kill him. It might seem even stranger to you but I have no intention to bully someone, I just play the game within its rules. If carebears feel griefed, bullied, harrased or disrespected because I defeated their avatar, they need to take a small break from the game.

@Anolus:

<3 rock jumping

Originally Posted by Dacil

@Anolus:

<3 rock jumping

A new one that have to be added to the precedent list, cool

Originally Posted by Anolus

A new one that have to be added to the precedent list, cool

Well it kinda falls into the category ""terrain abuse/exploiting'', along side breaking LoS with trees, hiding behind walls, and hiding in keeps

Originally Posted by peecha

you may be surprised, but I do not usually kill the same person more then 2 times in a row (if I can choose not to) and remember some other wargs acting so, I play for good kills, not for easy points ... I don't feel the need to bully some poor nab hunter in orthank set for 10th time like you or vitalbite for 20 points of infamy

MMM , so do you expect me to go for the tank in a group of 6 and see how the nab hunter in orthank gear one button - penetrating shot me 7 times and i get nothing to show for my efforts...
Stop crying and die...its a win win situation for both off us. i get to kill you and get 130 inf, you die but you used one button penetrating shot 7 times and the rest off the grp kill me.. and you get 100 inf aswell.

Or should i wait until i see a solo hunter or player before i attack bcause i hurt your feelings when i attack you in a group. BTW solo hunter or players on freep side is so rare ill get bored waiting.
No, i create my own fun. I will keep on trgting easy trgts and kill them when in a grp everytime as long as i can. If you are solo, thats a different story.

Why is it when 30 freeps camp gy 20m away from ones shotters.. nobody complain that one warg die every 20 secs. Then its fun killing the warg, everone gets atleast one skill off...i dont mind either because even if i die like a noob... i still get in a few minutes 1-3k inf.

If you havent realized the motive off the game is to get inf/ren , why not go for it then or am i missing something?

Lotro has very petty PvP compared to the other games on the market nowdays, since it has no strict goals for each of the sides. Everyone can do whatever they want basically that's why there is always drama involved in any taken action that one person see as a fair play, other one, the opposite.

And again the old rule repeats itself, that for the sandbox/aimless PvP you need a brilliant community to make it all working flamelessly. As for the transfers, they will have to assimilate to the Snowbourn's habits sooner or later, moreover we all know that every server have its own package of rules, habits and mentality that cannot be changed that easy in a bigger measure.

Originally Posted by Vitalpoison

I understand what you are saying Tolgaring, but the way i know you is that if i was jumping infront off you and turning my back you wont attack and kill me..trying it 2 times. I have alot of respect for you and your skill... thats why when i see you out off stealth just standing , ill greet you.. but in normal gameplay i fight as hard as i can and use what ever is to my disposal at my rank to get a kill... especially with burgs and wargs showing up out off nowhere and spoiling a decent fight.

At 1vs1 i never do brand, or morale pots against you, but if you see my point for using them i open play and feel i shouldnt have, i will stop using it against you.

Yeah, but we've been in the same tribe. And sometimes I'm tired or acting a bit stupid and don't notice it's you. And then I keep continuing fighting of course.

I'm not sure about brands, but I saw you one time at Tr gy on me with brand (TR gy was ours I believe). I might be confusing with another warg, correct me if I do so. I tend to avoid my cooldowns, but since Audacity I'm a bit desorientated, hence I'm forced to. I see why you use them in open play, it's dangerous and wargs are glass cannons lately (my view on them). You're dependant on pots, which ruins the action on snowbourn: everyone has to use cooldowns, pots, whatever to win, because the balance is gone. And when the balance goes to freep side (yes, I'm not defending myself, I know I'm strong), creeps are forced to use DoF pots, anti stun pots, cooldowns etc to have a chance against good players or ''OP'' classes. Which is why I don't mind you using pots, without them I'd probably burn you in 1 stun, which is a bit sad but the truth. And I think more burgs (or other classes) could manage this. But if you want some fair 1v1s, I'm always up for it when I get back in shape, since I'm slacking lately.

Feel free to have a chat with me on freep side, I'm mostly up for that

I also agree with Ethel here. Not because of any reason but he speaks the truth. If you pvp on other servers then you just notice fundamental differences: on Vanyar a greendot is encouraged to do quests, sometimes helped to do so. On Snowbourn a greendot is free renown for freeps. Switching servers is not easy, nobody ever claimed that. New people, new friends and new environment. But it's like football - If you switch club, they play with another team, players, tactic etc. To make you feel welcome and respected you should adapt to their rules and do as they want. Not saying we're superior on this server, but people like Ethel can tell what it has been for the past years and what actually happened on Snowbourn, how it should be.

The error imo is think that there are rules in EM...other than just go out and try to don't wipe while trying to kill something.

If someone don't understand that it's better if he change game.

All that hate vs warg play style is a bit disappointing, they simply try to bring to the top their class.. they deserve respect. Isntead of QQ all the time, ppl had to try to improve themself and find a countermeasure to their playstile. (ehi hunter you know that you can track? use that trait, group up with a tank that could SW you, maybe an healer or a LM that put you and Antistun buff etc...)

there's no rules in EM other than what you can or can't do. (sadly turbine allow ppl to p2w and that's the only sad part...)

Originally Posted by Tolgaring

Yeah, but we've been in the same tribe. And sometimes I'm tired or acting a bit stupid and don't notice it's you. And then I keep continuing fighting of course.

In my tribe? Damn i never even knew.. Terribly sorry for that, but now i am burning to know who your creep is i am fighting alongside..) Also i think you are misstaken the 10sec dof stun pot for brand, my brand cd is 10 mins and i am no cd hugger. i burn cd's and i dont wait until they are ready, i just fight again without cd's.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Lotro has very petty PvP compared to the other games on the market nowdays, since it has no strict goals for each of the sides. Everyone can do whatever they want basically that's why there is always drama involved in any taken action that one person see as a fair play, other one, the opposite.

And again the old rule repeats itself, that for the sandbox/aimless PvP you need a brilliant community to make it all working flamelessly. As for the transfers, they will have to assimilate to the Snowbourn's habits sooner or later, moreover we all know that every server have its own package of rules, habits and mentality that cannot be changed that easy in a bigger measure.

We aren't talking about spars, you can go back to your cave. zS

P.S I think you understand lotro pvmp wrong

Originally Posted by Arlecchino79

The error imo is think that there are rules in EM...other than just go out and try to don't wipe while trying to kill something.

QFT

Originally Posted by Dacil

We aren't talking about spars, you can go back to your cave. zS

Certainly you fail to understand that every server have a different mentallity even if the lotro PvMP remains the same, the roots of some habits on each stay unchangeable. If you would have played elsewhere than on Snowbourn or Evernight you would have knew what I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by Dacil

P.S I think you understand lotro pvmp wrong

It's ain't my first rodeo, cowboy.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Certainly you fail to understand that every server have a different mentallity even if the lotro PvMP remains the same, the roots of some habits on each stay unchangeable. If you would have played elsewhere than on Snowbourn or Evernight you would have knew what I'm talking about.

I haver also played on Eldar. The only rules I've ever noticed on the 3 servers I've played, regard spars, and keep ninjas. Apart from that, there are no rules, and whenever rules are imposed they fail due to the exact nature of lotro ''no rule'' PvmP.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

It's ain't my first rodeo, cowboy.

What if I told you, that because you've played countless hours lotro, it doesn't necessarily mean you are right? zSSS


For example lets take a look at your previous post.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Lotro has very petty PvP compared to the other games on the market nowdays, since it has no strict goals for each of the sides.

What you find petty, other people enjoy. And that is why people PLAY lotro pvmp instead of DCUO, AION, WOW etc. If you don't like this gameplay and whine about it, you are free to find something that you enjoy more.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Everyone can do whatever they want basically that's why there is always drama involved in any taken action that one person see as a fair play, other one, the opposite.

Drama is always good, makes things interesting.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

And again the old rule repeats itself, that for the sandbox/aimless PvP you need a brilliant community to make it all working flamelessly.

Why would you want a flameless pvmp enviroment?
-Hey friend sorry I killed you once earlier today
-No worries, but please don't do it again
-You have a deal amigo!

Originally Posted by Etheldar

As for the transfers, they will have to assimilate to the Snowbourn's habits sooner or later, moreover we all know that every server have its own package of rules, habits and mentality that cannot be changed that easy in a bigger

What a bunch of bollony.. State one difference between Evernight and Snowbourn apart from GTA spar zone.
And last I checked we respected your spar zone, we participated in it, with your rules.. So yes, what a bunch of nonsense

He's not in our tribe anymore Vital, he left like many of the other free peoples did.
As for pvp over here it is what you make it.

Originally Posted by Dacil

I haver also played on Eldar. The only rules I've ever noticed on the 3 servers I've played, regard spars, and keep ninjas. Apart from that, there are no rules, and whenever rules are imposed they fail due to the exact nature of lotro ''no rule'' PvmP.

Exactly, hence why you shouldn't complain of getting zerged by Irvaard's 24-man raid and call him a skilless player.

Originally Posted by Dacil

What if I told you, that because you've played countless hours lotro, it doesn't necessarily mean you are right? zSSS

I meant on a server-wise general knowlegde plane, yes I do have a bigger knowledge about that, same comes to you and your server.

Originally Posted by Dacil

What you find petty, other people enjoy. And that is why people PLAY lotro pvmp instead of DCUO, AION, WOW etc. If you don't like this gameplay and whine about it, you are free to find something that you enjoy more.

Again you failed to see a difference between complaining/enlightening others and pure whining like you did in Irvaard's example. Most of the people I played with left it already, hence I'm loosing on motivation to keep going with a broken game.

Originally Posted by Dacil

Drama is always good, makes things interesting.

If you say so, I can only envy your wide range of interests.

Originally Posted by Dacil

Why would you want a flameless pvmp enviroment?
-Hey friend sorry I killed you once earlier today
-No worries, but please don't do it again
-You have a deal amigo!

We can't really prevent people from flaming and blaming eachother even for very trivial things, it's how does the sandbox PvP works in any game on such basis, but yet people get further into the rage while missing the point that the game is different. Here comes a deep bow towards the devs direction for making a goalless PvP, that clearly causes more drama than enjoyment , since one person find something fair, other one not.

It is obvious for me that you kill and get killed is a normal thing that you have to accept, hence I have no clue why you're typing this.

Originally Posted by Dacil

What a bunch of bollony.. State one difference between Evernight and Snowbourn apart from GTA spar zone.
And last I checked we respected your spar zone, we participated in it, with your rules.. So yes, what a bunch of nonsense

It's not about 1v1 zone, for me it could exist or not, since I could find my infamy/renown on any other place of the map. I'm talking in general, that something you find normal on Evernight, some people on Snowbourn may dislike or find lame, that's why I'm trying to explain to you that every server have a different mentallity and it would be best to adapt in time to its habits to a lesser or greater extent.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Exactly, hence why you shouldn't complain of getting zerged by Irvaard's 24-man raid and call him a skilless player.

Hello Etheldar welcome to the interwebz, meet my friend, trolling.
I've rarely been zerged by Irvaards raids and that was not the reason I decided to troll him. In my opinion most people that are against spars, are those that don't have enough skill to participate in them. That is still my opinion but as Irvaard proved in our spars, he is skillfull in 1vs1, so his distaste of the spars is irrelevant to personal skill.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Again you failed to see a difference between complaining/enlightening others and pure whining like you did in Irvaard's example. Most of the people I played with left it already, hence I'm loosing on motivation to keep going with a broken game.

Ok. So there is a difference between complaining and whining? Ty for pointing that out.
And I'll repeat mioself. Excersise your reading comprehension, you should be able spot the difference between trolling and whining.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

If you say so, I can only envy your wide range of interests.

Yes Eth. I am really weird, I enjoy drama , I watch Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire and the Walking Dead. I'm not liek normal people like you that enjoy watching the teletubbies hug and cuddle.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

We can't really prevent people from flaming and blaming eachother even for very trivial things, it's how does the sandbox PvP works in any game on such basis, but yet people get further into the rage while missing the point that the game is different.

Well if:

a)your raging gets out of hand, you can log off and relax for a bit
b)someone else rages at you and you feel harrased, you can /ignore him.
c)you enjoy the competitive nature of a pvp game, you wouldn't mind someones rage and would just lol.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Here comes a deep bow towards the devs direction for making a goalless PvP, that clearly causes more drama than enjoyment , since one person find something fair, other one not.

The goal is to pwn your opponent. I like that goal and I enjoy the game. Ty devs

Originally Posted by Etheldar

It's not about 1v1 zone, for me it could exist or not, since I could find my infamy/renown on any other place of the map. I'm talking in general, that something you find normal on Evernight, some people on Snowbourn may dislike or find lame, that's why I'm trying to explain to you that every server have a different mentallity and it would be best to adapt in time to its habits to a lesser or greater extent.

You say ""I'm talking in general'', yet you cannot pinpoint ONE single difference. So there's my challenge, tell me one thing thats is different on Evernight.

Originally Posted by Dacil

Hello Etheldar welcome to the interwebz, meet my friend, trolling.
I've rarely been zerged by Irvaards raids and that was not the reason I decided to troll him. In my opinion most people that are against spars, are those that don't have enough skill to participate in them. That is still my opinion but as Irvaard proved in our spars, he is skillfull in 1vs1, so his distaste of the spars is irrelevant to personal skill.

I'm not Norwegian, I don't belive in trolls.
We have certain people on Snowbourn that even if they are against the area or trying to avoid it in any manner, are very skilful and I'm pretty sure they handle with most of the fights which they have to deal with.

Originally Posted by Dacil

Ok. So there is a difference between complaining and whining? Ty for pointing that out.

No worries, I'm only here to enlight you.

Originally Posted by Dacil

And I'll repeat mioself. Excersise your reading comprehension, you should be able spot the difference between trolling and whining.

Sorry my bad, I don't know most of you transfers as much as I would like to, hence I don't know how nasty trolls may live inside of you.

Originally Posted by Dacil

Yes Eth. I am really weird, I enjoy drama , I watch Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire and the Walking Dead.

Come on, spare us your free time schedule, we know it's very interesting.

Originally Posted by Dacil

I'm not liek normal people like you that enjoy watching the teletubbies hug and cuddle.

Hugs and cuddles sure, though teletubbies is not my type. I prefer HKO, ponies, rainbows and Gummi Bears.

Originally Posted by Dacil

Well if:

a)your raging gets out of hand, you can log off and relax for a bit

I prefer to read troll's scribbles, oh yes, it chills me a lot and pumps my e-peen.

Originally Posted by Dacil

The goal is to pwn your opponent. I like that goal and I enjoy the game. Ty devs

Good game! Too bad so many don't get it.

Originally Posted by Dacil

You say ""I'm talking in general'', yet you cannot pinpoint ONE single difference. So there's my challenge, tell me one thing thats is different on Evernight.

Apparenlty there are certain differences, since before the Evernight invasion there wasn't so many complaints on so called terrain-exploiting, lame-acting or whatever, yet again I'm not following you with a magnifier, so I can't precise it, simple.

Bear in mind, a post can not exceed a page.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

..trolling..

I'm glad to see you already familiarised yourself with trolling and used it to avoid admitting that every single argument you made so far was wrong. Ata boy

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Apparenlty there are certain differences, since before the Evernight invasion there wasn't so many complaints on so called terrain-exploiting, lame-acting or whatever, yet again I'm not following you with a magnifier, so I can't precise it, simple.

Don't worry I'll do the hard work for you. We've compiled a list with Anolus of the lame things evernighters do:

i)zerging
ii)ezmoding
iii)pay to win
iv)terrain exploiting
v)cjing
vi)keep hugging
vii)spar ganking
viii)gy camping

Now your task is easy. Find the one lame thing, snowers don't do as well.

Originally Posted by Dacil

I'm glad to see you already familiarised yourself with trolling and used it to avoid admitting that every single argument you made so far was wrong. Ata boy

Or maybe because to converse with a troll you have to use a troll language zS

Originally Posted by Dacil

Now your task is easy. Find the one lame thing, snowers don't do as well.

Playing the wise guy and having a wrong self-confidence of knowning something that they've experienced for a little time.

Originally Posted by GrandCru

Bear in mind, a post can not exceed a page.

True, that's going mad, this counter-trolling is too engaging.

Or we could all just be friends, transfered or not.

As for several of those things listed as lame actions of the evernightians, I have not done as sign of respect yet had them done to me by original snowbourn players.

All up to the player, wether it's a transfer or not.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Playing the wise guy and having a wrong self-confidence of knowning something that they've experienced for a little time.

False. I am quite wise, and my self-confidence is not wrong. It is based on my ability to pwn and not care when pwnt. Also I'm not a slow learner, I don't need 5 years to observe the habbits of a server, a few months and 500k of infamy are enough.

So... Time for a recap!!!

Etheldar:
1)Complains about lotro PvP, 1 penalty point
2)Doesn't like drama, 1 penalty point
3)Perceives trolling as whining, unless it is clarified to him that it's trolling, 1 penalty point
4)Failure to point the difference between the two servers, 1 penalty point
5)Does no4 repeatedly, 1 penalty point

Gratz Eth, only 5 penalty points.
You can have the last blow, hit me with your best shot!

Daec out

Originally Posted by Ladrir

Or we could all just be friends, transfered or not.

Sure, I don't support inter-server racism, since I met some nice folks from the different servers that turned out into the great players and people to talk with, yet a bit of humility of some of you would be more than welcome, or at least not twisting the factual and real points into the pure trolling festival few pages long, which is completely not needed.

Originally Posted by Ladrir

As for several of those things listed as lame actions of the evernightians, I have not done as sign of respect yet had them done to me by original snowbourn players.

Yeah, sadly most of the people that play nowdays are different from those that played in the past, so naturally their value system is different, blaming everything on the evernighters would be totally wrong indeed as ganking, zerging and other things like this existed since the beginning of Lotro and largely it's dependand on the player's approach to the game.

Originally Posted by Dacil

So... Time for a recap!!!

Huh? It just got summarised 2 posts above, either you're trolling again, either I was talking to the wall all that time.

Just a piece of friendly advice Dacil. You are never going to be as awesome as Etheldar who has literally defined a lot of Snowbourn's PVP character over the last years, so just take a few steps back. Nothing of this sentence is exaggerated, and if you weren't so cocky to try and precociously ego-stomp your way into meaningless pvp infamy you could've checked before you went and acted like a complete ######. Hell, I don't even know why Ethel invested time in this (maybe he misses pvp and can't resist ). And before you say something about Snowbourn's PVP, remember that -you- transferred here with your tribe (who otherwise seem to be a bunch of cool people).

There have been so many before with these attitudes and no matter how you look at it, it has caused a lot of the respectful and community-based players (for either creep or freepside) to slowly disappear. And the egotists never last. It's always the same kind of bull#### that you manbabies proclaim (I'm not going to repeat as I am not interested in this), and it has always ended in a lot of nothing, another forum failure.

I think we fought a few times (not sure) and you seemed alright, so reading this is just another disappointment.

Originally Posted by Muzzard

He's not in our tribe anymore Vital, he left like many of the other free peoples did.
As for pvp over here it is what you make it.

Notice I've used the past as a tense. As for Vital, I'll send you a tell soon who I am

Originally Posted by Dacil

I'm glad to see you already familiarised yourself with trolling and used it to avoid admitting that every single argument you made so far was wrong. Ata boy



Don't worry I'll do the hard work for you. We've compiled a list with Anolus of the lame things evernighters do:

i)zerging
ii)ezmoding
iii)pay to win
iv)terrain exploiting
v)cjing
vi)keep hugging
vii)spar ganking
viii)gy camping

Now your task is easy. Find the one lame thing, snowers don't do as well.

Then why did you transfer in the first place?

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Huh? It just got summarised 2 posts above, either you're trolling again, either I was talking to the wall all that time.

You mean.. a...

Wall-o-text inc, Fredol avert your eyes

Originally Posted by Vindrayeth

Personal opinion

I'd rather go in cocky trolling mode than argue without reason.
If you try to look at Ethels and Peechas posts you'll soon notice they are filled with logical fallacies, and nonsensical generalities.

Peecha first starts with flaming me and Vital, based on a single event, and assuming we only kill noob hunters. He also says that we play different than snow wargs, which is false, and then says that he doesn't kill the same person twice.
The last point is the most absurd in my opinion, since If a person made no effort to avoid you, or beat you, he doesn't deserve a free pass.
He also assumes that because I kill someone in a pvp game, that means I bully him. Go figure
Last but not least, when peecha first mentioned the different rules of the snowbourn community, I asked him directly what these rules were. I received no response.

Then comes Ethel and makes 3 points. Implies that snowbourn doesn't have a brilliant community, expects a pvp game to work flamelessly, and repeats what Peecha said about snowbourns rules.
Considering I've never had a dispute with Ethel before, and bearing in mind that the only different rule as far as I knew snowbourn has is about spars, I assumed he was talking about it. It turned out he did not talk about spars, since we respected those anyway. When repeatedly asked what are the different rules/ mindset of snowbourn community compared to Evernight, he failed each time to name a sinlge point. And then he talks about '' talking to a wall''. In the end he noted that the difference between the two servers is that I'm '' cocky and self confident blah blah'' *cough doro cough eowhine cough fredol cough*.
Please note, that he also admits to not have seen how evernight transfers actually play like, but bases his allegations on what ''he hears people say''.

Now the second point I argued about Ethel was the whole " a pvp game needs a brilliant community in order to work flamelessly''. Seriously if that is your mentality you are playing the wrong game. He said that I have ''a wide range of interests'' for enjoying drama and flaming in a pvp game. A flameless, dramaless pvp game is a boring pvp game. There needs to be conflict, rivalries ,taunting and challenging to make it interesting. At this point I could quote lots of snowbourn players that admit taunting and competitiveness are needed in the moors.


In the end some people on the snowbourn community will keep acting like elected spokesmen while ironically they are but a minority.

Originally Posted by Vindrayeth

I think we fought a few times (not sure) and you seemed alright, so reading this is just another disappointment.

Tell that to Ethel, he is so convinced I am not alright even tho he has not witnessed my playstyle.



P.S

Originally Posted by Tolgaring

Then why did you transfer in the first place?

I transfered here because I enjoy all of the above in a open pvp game. Not all of us find it weird when people use pots against us, and ragequit tribes when we die.
It seems the ''burn'' just backfired.

Originally Posted by Dacil

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I thought you was gonna be reasonable and you seemed alright, so reading this is just another disappointment.

Originally Posted by Dacil

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To shorten this how spreading out fire all over, I'll repeat again my points, just to make it clear for you, as via typing it's harder to express yourself to the letter than via voice.


- Snowbourn lacks of a good community, hence you can't have a well-working 1v1 area without dramas/flames and blames ongoing both in game and on the forums and so any complaints in that matter are pointless, since we know how they will end up usually. And so it comes to the switching that area's loacation, since it's obvious and based on facts from the past that the people willing to spoil it will continue doing it and will follow it anywhere. It will simply not work.
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Therefore people that been pvping here since few months own very little of knowledge about the possible aftermaths of those area-moves, since they lack of the experience of knowing others here.

- PvP have no rules, yet each of the servers own their own fundamental habits, hence I suspect you (as in default Evernight people) have a different mentallity, that's why there can be heard complaints on you here and there. Yet as I have marked before I'm not following you with a glass so I can't precise nor can't confirm any of such "lame-moves" by seeing them on my own eyes. Treat it as a friendly explanation of the general hatin' reasons both on the forums and in game.

- Lotro PvP is very peety and simplistic compared to the other games you can find all over the market, hence people playing that game, even while seeing that they are playing a broken game without rules, without strict goals, they find a lot of reasons to make it more complicated than it is in nature. 5 years on the same map, same spots to fight, same ways of "winning" makes them in time to add imaginary rules that people "have to" abide, because if they won't they will be punished, grounded, cursed, mixed with mud or something similar. I'm 101% sure if the developers would add a new map to the Lotro PvMP, all of those who complain on things, who write rage posts on the forums and in game would simply #### for the next 5 years while being busy with the new location.

- Flaming and trolling may be your domain, but for the ordinary players it's a clear manifestation of immature habits and avoiding a serious conversation about which other people are willing to carry on with the chat, though I forgive you, since Lotro and its PvP is definitely a "serious business".

See, it is not hard to understand few very obvious and how simply points for someone without a blackout. Every action causes a reaction.

Besides of I thought you're already

Originally Posted by Dacil

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7 posts above, I wish you a good evening and a happy

Originally Posted by Dacil

internet glory

earning.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

To shorten this how spreading out fire all over, I'll repeat again my points, just to make it clear for you, as via typing it's harder to express yourself to the letter than via voice.

Ty for typing in such a presice and troll free manner. You have made several distinct points which I'll try to counterargue separeatly and in the end I will pose you one question which I'd like you to answer.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

-UNO Snowbourn lacks of a good community, hence you can't have a well-working 1v1 area without dramas/flames and blames ongoing both in game and on the forums and so any complaints in that matter are pointless, since we know how they will end up usually. And so it comes to the switching that area's loacation, since it's obvious and based on facts from the past that the people willing to spoil it will continue doing it and will follow it anywhere. It will simply not work.
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Therefore people that been pvping here since few months own very little of knowledge about the possible aftermaths of those area-moves, since they lack of the experience of knowing others here.

I had suspected from the beginning that you got involved in this thread due to the previous argument on the 1vs1 thread with Dod about spar location. Thus the first point I made was that ''we aren't talking about spars here''. But anyway here goes my question:

1) Have the evernight transfers affected in any way the location/availability of spars?

Originally Posted by Etheldar

- DOS PvP have no rules, yet each of the servers own their own fundamental habits, hence I suspect you (as in default Evernight people) have a different mentallity, that's why there can be heard complaints on you here and there. Yet as I have marked before I'm not following you with a glass so I can't precise nor can't confirm any of such "lame-moves" by seeing them on my own eyes. Treat it as a friendly explanation of the general hatin' reasons both on the forums and in game.

There I go for the 100th time. There is almost no difference in the mentality between those two servers. In any way, I can not see one, if you or peecha or anyone else from the snowbourn community sees any differences let me know please. So far noone has done so.
You state ''that's why there can be heard complaints on you here and there''. No. The reason you hear complaints on me is because I pvp. It is known that people complain when they die.
Example no1: Liggo after hipsing , tnging and running from me said his dps skills where bugged. = Excuse
Example no2: Poor Mcyer raging because I killed him with 2 burgs up my a&&& =Post death rage
Example no3: Eowene being convinced I pop store brand on every encounter because I use Immunity Pot. =False Information

Maybe you can understand how small value such alegations have if you think about the things Public Enemies told about yourself.
My questions are the following:

2) Do tell me the difference between the mindset Evernight transfers show and the prevalent Snowbourn mindset. I honestly don't see none.
3) Do you really think the complains from opposing side are accurate and bias-free?

Originally Posted by Etheldar

-TRES Lotro PvP is very peety and simplistic compared to the other games you can find all over the market, hence people playing that game, even while seeing that they are playing a broken game without rules, without strict goals, they find a lot of reasons to make it more complicated than it is in nature. 5 years on the same map, same spots to fight, same ways of "winning" makes them in time to add imaginary rules that people "have to" abide, because if they won't they will be punished, grounded, cursed, mixed with mud or something similar. I'm 101% sure if the developers would add a new map to the Lotro PvMP, all of those who complain on things, who write rage posts on the forums and in game would simply #### for the next 5 years while being busy with the new location.

I won't argue with you and you can call me weird, but I enjoy the pvmp provided by turbine, apparently you do not, nothing more to argue here.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

-QUATRO Flaming and trolling may be your domain, but for the ordinary players it's a clear manifestation of immature habits and avoiding a serious conversation about which other people are willing to carry on with the chat, though I forgive you, since Lotro and its PvP is definitely a "serious business".

On the quite contrary, I'd say regular people don't mind some flaming/taunting/trolling/challenging etc in a PvP game. It's not a manifestation of immaturity, its merely the spark a competitive game needs. Take a bunch of serious 40 year olds and put them on a football field and you'll notice a change in their behaviour. The ones who do the aforementioned aren't immature, they are just self aware that they are playing a game. Immature are the ones who take such sport too seriously.
Besides such competitive behaviour is only aimed to create rivalries and through that better action.

Finally as I said to my previous post you must understand that you are a minority. You cannot impose your '' I don't attack kinnies'' rules to the rest of Snowbourn. In reality most people don't like their opponents thats why OOC is filled with negativity:
-lame nokor op healing QQ
-wargs camping again gy, they must get a life
-lol freeps grouped again they can't solo
-Run mastersprinter run
And when some drama starts out, it immediatly catches people attention and you see stuff like:
-grabbing popcorn

4) Do you really think the moors would be better if they were sterilized by any form of complaining/flaming?


If you want to have a serious conversation try to respond in those 4 questions, and then add, or coutnerargue all you want.
I really want those answers tho, especially the evernight/snowbourn mentality difference, otherwise I'll admit I'm talking to a wall and go back to trolling.

Originally Posted by Dacil

1) Have the evernight transfers affected in any way the location/availability of spars?

Here point is not about you as Evernight people, but about the former Snowbourn (mostly) people that spoil it regullary and who will find any reason to do it again, my point about the bad community.

Originally Posted by Dacil

2) Do tell me the difference between the mindset Evernight transfers show and the prevalent Snowbourn mindset. I honestly don't see none.

Originally Posted by Dacil

3) Do you really think the complains from opposing side are accurate and bias-free?

I won't tell you a difference word for word, I will tell you yet that before the transfer, there wasn't any major complaints e.g. on so called terrain exploiting. You misunderstood it looks like, I don't claim it is wrong or against the game rules. I note that if various people find it wrong in general then by the default there must be something in it.

Originally Posted by Dacil

4) Do you really think the moors would be better if they were sterilized by any form of complaining/flaming?

Criticism and rivalry in good faith is always most welcome, since it would be boring without them, as people play it not for receiving hugs from the opponents, yet pointless flaming or blaming for dying (mostly) in the PvP area is completely meaningless and unnecessary.

Originally Posted by Vindrayeth

Just a piece of friendly advice Dacil. You are never going to be as awesome as Etheldar who has literally defined a lot of Snowbourn's PVP character over the last years, so just take a few steps back. Nothing of this sentence is exaggerated, and if you weren't so cocky to try and precociously ego-stomp your way into meaningless pvp infamy you could've checked before you went and acted like a complete ######. Hell, I don't even know why Ethel invested time in this (maybe he misses pvp and can't resist ). And before you say something about Snowbourn's PVP, remember that -you- transferred here with your tribe (who otherwise seem to be a bunch of cool people).

There have been so many before with these attitudes and no matter how you look at it, it has caused a lot of the respectful and community-based players (for either creep or freepside) to slowly disappear. And the egotists never last. It's always the same kind of bull#### that you manbabies proclaim (I'm not going to repeat as I am not interested in this), and it has always ended in a lot of nothing, another forum failure.

I think we fought a few times (not sure) and you seemed alright, so reading this is just another disappointment.

Not going to meddle in this discussion, as I don't really get any of the "sides" problem, and I don't really care much about it either. Game is not static, and people come and go, just adapt or move on. I go to ettens to play and sometimes group, have fun, and I don't care if I die over and over again from whatever silly reason. I don't know anything much about pvp in lotro at all even though I played the game almost since start. If you call me a noob, for whatever reason, I don't give a flying f**k, I'm just in it for the fun, it's another side of the game for me.

So Ovric, the r7 fail warden: Talking about respect and attitude and ego, you should just stay quiet after coming on your creep after being killed twice on your warden in grothum and trying to solo tyrant. I understand your frustration, but coming on your creep admitting failure and wanting to put my freeps on ignore is over the top pathetic. Just take a break, breathe deep and call it a day after failures like this. But I will thank you anyway, you made my day!

I respect other players very much, freeps and creeps, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna leave them alone even if we are "friends" or they try to accomplish something difficult or tedious, like soloing a tyrant.

You sir, think you are better than others, or at least you wish you were. No offense to anyone on snowy except for you, just because you deserve it!!

Originally Posted by ZirDust

Not going to meddle in this discussion, as I don't really get any of the "sides" problem, and I don't really care much about it either. Game is not static, and people come and go, just adapt or move on. I go to ettens to play and sometimes group, have fun, and I don't care if I die over and over again from whatever silly reason. I don't know anything much about pvp in lotro at all even though I played the game almost since start. If you call me a noob, for whatever reason, I don't give a flying f**k, I'm just in it for the fun, it's another side of the game for me.

So Ovric, the r7 fail warden: Talking about respect and attitude and ego, you should just stay quiet after coming on your creep after being killed twice on your warden in grothum and trying to solo tyrant. I understand your frustration, but coming on your creep admitting failure and wanting to put my freeps on ignore is over the top pathetic. Just take a break, breathe deep and call it a day after failures like this. But I will thank you anyway, you made my day!

I respect other players very much, freeps and creeps, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna leave them alone even if we are "friends" or they try to accomplish something difficult or tedious, like soloing a tyrant.

You sir, think you are better than others, or at least you wish you were. No offense to anyone on snowy except for you, just because you deserve it!!

You left Crowarwargs... How long was it? 1 week?

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Here point is not about you as Evernight people, but about the former Snowbourn (mostly) people that spoil it regullary and who will find any reason to do it again, my point about the bad community.

Fair enough, since admitting Evernighters are not involved lets keep that topic out of conversation, I'm not in the mood of becoming Kenzeis advocate atm.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

I won't tell you a difference word for word, I will tell you yet that before the transfer, there wasn't any major complaints e.g. on so called terrain exploiting. You misunderstood it looks like, I don't claim it is wrong or against the game rules. I note that if various people find it wrong in general then by the default there must be something in it.

Ty, for actually anwering me for once. As for the actual basis of terrain-exploiting I'll go with what Weewoo said, no need to repeat ourselves. To summarise it, just because snowbourn people decide not to use their spacebar button, that won't force me to do the same, sorry.

Originally Posted by Etheldar

Criticism and rivalry in good faith is always most welcome, since it would be boring without them, as people play it not for receiving hugs from the opponents, yet pointless flaming or blaming for dying (mostly) in the PvP area is completely meaningless and unnecessary.

If examined carefully any form of flaming and blaming is completely meaningless in a open pvp game. Thus if we wanted to eliminate meaningless forms of attack, ettenmoors would be boring. But thats the point, spontaneous rages or complains most of the time don't have actualy basis. When I die and I immediately find the excuse ''ezmoder gamlber burglar'' I don't state something meaningfull, just express the dissapointment of the moment. Therefore you can say that all of the flaming and blaming is meaningless but it is necessary for creating those ''most welcome rivalries''. If someone feels actual and justifiable hatred for a person in-game he is playing the game wrong. If you think about it the complains about evernighters fall into that category of '' pointless flaming or blaming for dying (mostly) ''. Just sayin