Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
When a players name is reported, their name is changed without any coneent by the player. It would be nice if the GMs allowed the players to pick their new names.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
When a players name is reported, their name is changed without any coneent by the player. It would be nice if the GMs allowed the players to pick their new names.
They can. My name was changed by a GM just over a year ago and my name was changed and I was also given a character rename. Of course, it could have changed since then, I don't know.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
When a players name is reported, their name is changed without any coneent by the player.
why would Turbine require the players consent? they broke the rules by choosing an illegal name. you cannot seem to imagine how ridiculous it would be if the GM's were forced to enter into negotiations with every player whose name was in violation.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by enginekid
why would Turbine require the players consent? they broke the rules by choosing an illegal name. you cannot seem to imagine how ridiculous it would be if the GM's were forced to enter into negotiations with every player whose name was in violation.
this suggestion is not very wise.
It's better than to force a player to use a name they don't want, and is often very bad.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
When a players name is reported, their name is changed without any coneent by the player. It would be nice if the GMs allowed the players to pick their new names.
Turbine used to do it this way. Allowing customers to pick a replacement name had a expensive consequence for Turbine. People figured out that they could pick whatever name they wanted to start with in violation of the CoC. If they got caught, they got to pick three names they would like as a replacement name. Turbine would set that name for them.
The end result is that the players always had a name they liked. Turbine was being buried under name violation reports.
Turbine changed the policy so that they picked a acceptable name via the random name generator. You were stuck with that name unless you are willing to pay for a name change. Those folks like my friends, who were deliberately picking inappropriate names. Stopped doing it. They did not want to pay for a name change. They did not want some random name that Turbine gave them.
There are still plenty of people who made accidental errors. People that do not accept the rules - Get really angry when the Bunny - whistles - over here - look at this name - They are wanting Bunny stew - To cook a Turbine employee over a fire.
That is why there is no free name change. Because customers were abusing the system knowing that they could always pick a replacement name.
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Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
I think both sides have ups and downs. first of all, someone who broke the rules shouldn't be rewarded. So if you willingly pick an unexcepted name you should find yourself lucky you are actually allowed to play the game. However there are also situations that the name was unexcepted but not on purpose. An example could be where the name means something wrong in a foreign language. In this case I think it should be ok to offer a free name change. My thought would be to support the idea but to let it up to the GM to decide if they give out a free namechange or not.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
The risk is that the player choose another name that isnt allowed. And turbine cant afford watching names all the times (think about all altholic there is out there).
The option to pay tp for a namechange is still there if that player isnt happy with his/her new name, and if he have an free char-spot he can grind it under a few days if he really are desperate.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
You people act like giving them a name they like is rewarding them. But it's not, it's making them equal to us. If you want to punish them for it, don't do something permanent like giving them a bad name. Suspend them for a week or take some gold away from them.
And as for "What if their new name also breaks the rules?", their new name will have to be approved by the GM.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Rumiano
However there are also situations that the name was unexcepted but not on purpose. An example could be where the name means something wrong in a foreign language. In this case I think it should be ok to offer a free name change.
Given there is no way to determine intent when someone selects a name in violation. You ask the player. You get the same kind of response you get from criminals in real life. I did not do it.
You are suggesting that Turbine give or not give a free name change based on a personal whim. Or a good sob story from the person that got caught.
You can't leave this kind of decision up to the Game Master. Turbine is going to get buried under favoritism complaints. Turbine is going to have issues with Game Masters that feel everybody did it deliberately. Versus the easy going Game Masters - tell me a good story - you get a free name change.
It sounds fine on paper. It nevers works in real life. Maybe one of these days (I hope I am not living it happens), when there is a device that can compel people to provide the facts as they understand them. It even works over the internet.
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Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
Did you just compare giving your character a bad name to murder? Are you insane?
No, I did not. You're misqouting me because you don't like what you hear. If you know what you're doing is wrong, don't complain you're going to get punished. You need that in more simple English?
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Thaberg
No, I did not. You're misqouting me because you don't like what you hear. If you know what you're doing is wrong, don't complain you're going to get punished. You need that in more simple English?
When someone commits murder, they are imprisoned. But the punishment needs to fit the crime. Giving your character a bad name isn't murder, it's not a felony, it's maybe a minor misdemeanor. When someone commits one of those, they're fined, not imprisoned. If you want to punish them, suspend them for a period of time, don't punish them in a permanent manner. And no, I wasn't misquoting you.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Thaberg
No, I did not. You're misqouting me because you don't like what you hear. If you know what you're doing is wrong, don't complain you're going to get punished. You need that in more simple English?
Have you read the ToS?
The following are examples of character names and guild names that are NOT appropriate for The Lord of the Rings Online:
Fantasy or non-fantasy names from popular culture or media.
Misspelled variations or homonyms of any of the above rules.
That could be practically everything and anything. The naming policy is a joke.
EDIT: also by the above rules wouldn't every single badly spelled version of legolas be in need of a name change?
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
If you want to punish them, suspend them for a period of time, don't punish them in a permanent manner.
I can understand you do not like the punishment. Personally, I think it fits the crime. Your name gets brought in line with CoC. You can either accept the name given to you by Turbine. Or pay a 995 Turbine Point fine.
I can't speak for anyone other than myself. A three day ban or longer which becomes part of your permanent account record for punishment escalation. I do not want that kind of felony conviction on my account. All you need is two or three name violations or combine with some other CoC violations. Your account is permanent banned for CoC violations.
I much rather have a non escalating conviction. One that I can pay 10 dollars and wipe it out. I got hundreds dollars invested in each one of my two accounts.
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Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Why let someone that choose a code breaking name the chance to do it again? More than likely they will pic a second code breaking name.
I think Turbine made the correct choice in requiring real money for a name change. For some reason when it costs people real money, they stop being really stupid.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
If you want to punish them for it, don't do something permanent like giving them a bad name. Suspend them for a week or take some gold away from them.
The punishment is that they're getting what amounts to a $10 fine for violating the Naming Policy. I'm perfectly fine with this, and only wish that TOR would adopt a similar policy so they'd have a lot fewer obnoxious names running around there.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Korgain
Its a open ended personal judgement on what is and is not allowed.
Sure, and yet somehow... most of us manage to avoid getting renamed. We avoid anything obviously borderline, and sometimes even look around a bit on the web to make sure our names aren't the name of some product or rock band or something. The names I pick make that unlikely, but I do like to be sure.
Character names are something I'm going to be living with for months or years, and probably get attached to. Spending an extra 2 minutes each to be sure I can keep it isn't any big deal.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
The problem begins when characters with perfectly lore appropriate names are renamed.
A former kinmate had an elf with a sindarin name (crated in 2007). Turbine then decided to put an NPC with that name into the game.
Guess what. Since that name 'retroactively' violated the tos, the character was renamed, which was the straw that broke the camels back for the player who left the game afterwards. (As a roleplayer he was very attached to the character, his story, origins and the meaning of the name.)
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by OrdinaryHobbit
The problem begins when characters with perfectly lore appropriate names are renamed.
A former kinmate had an elf with a sindarin name (crated in 2007). Turbine then decided to put an NPC with that name into the game.
Guess what. Since that name 'retroactively' violated the tos, the character was renamed, which was the straw that broke the camels back for the player who left the game afterwards. (As a roleplayer he was very attached to the character, his story, origins and the meaning of the name.)
I have seen those two stories and it's very bad but it's still two people only.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Macroscian
The real alternative would be to simply remove that one character instead of renaming it.
Actually, that's exactly what Turbine did in their first game (Asheron's Call). If you created a racist or profane name that got reported later, your character was deleted. One guy with a particularly profane name somehow managed to get to level 83 before someone reported him, and all those levels, all his inventory, and maybe 18 months of playing all went down the drain once he was. Oops.
Originally Posted by OrdinaryHobbit
Turbine then decided to put an NPC with that name into the game...
Agreed... that really should be handled as a separate case. However, I have to believe that's a truly tiny percentage of the total number of characters that get renamed.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
You people act like giving them a name they like is rewarding them. But it's not, it's making them equal to us. If you want to punish them for it, don't do something permanent like giving them a bad name. Suspend them for a week or take some gold away from them.
And as for "What if their new name also breaks the rules?", their new name will have to be approved by the GM.
The problem here is that people are expensive. If a GM has to look at, and approve, every such name change, that's a lot of GM time. This would cost Turbine money...money that cuts severely into their bottom line.
Let me give you an example....
Back in the day when telephone handsets were rented from AT&T (back before AT&T was broken up), the phones were practically indestructible. The reason for this was that, if AT&T had to send out a tech on a service call to fix *anything*--including a simple handset replacement--the company lost money (or average) on that account over its expected lifetime. That's *one* tech call changing one service from profit to loss. Think about it.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
When a players name is reported, their name is changed without any coneent by the player. It would be nice if the GMs allowed the players to pick their new names.
A player who already has shown that they want to bend or break the rules? No, thanks. Let's just give these characters a generic GM assigned name and let them blow TP to come up with their next name I have to report.
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Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
But the punishment needs to fit the crime. Giving your character a bad name isn't murder, it's not a felony, it's maybe a minor misdemeanor. When someone commits one of those, they're fined, not imprisoned.
This seems to suggest that Turbine is too lenient. They don't fine you, they give you an optional fine. You only have to pay for a rename if you choose, you get a turbine-approved name for free.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by mad_ox1
This seems to suggest that Turbine is too lenient. They don't fine you, they give you an optional fine. You only have to pay for a rename if you choose, you get a turbine-approved name for free.
Yep, and the "optional fine" is far less than a speeding ticket. Of course, there's a reason for that... they want most people who get such a fine to just pay it (or not, if they choose) and keep playing. Make it $50-150 like many speeding tickets are, and most such players would walk away and never come back.
I think it's about right - enough to be a modest deterrent, but not enough to chase everyone who runs afoul of it out the door. I think an "in game fine" wouldn't deter much of anything.
Re: Allow players with reported names to pick their new names themselves.
Originally Posted by Okamion
If you want to punish them, suspend them for a period of time, don't punish them in a permanent manner
A name change is not permanent it is temporary.....
You can purchase a new name change at any time....
The Fine is the cost of getting another name you like that DOES not Break the rules.
In actuality Turbine is doing exactly what you suggest.
They Fine them 995 TP the cost of a name change.
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