Thread: RvR Times

It's the MMO aspect of an MMORPG that interests me. If I wanted to solo, there are far better solo games out there.

The thought of Illy helping the community is highly amusing.

Originally Posted by gimli4480

You realize you can easily make more soloing, right?

Then one asks oneself:
"do I try to make more commendations/points and drain this rock dry"
Or
"do I screw around for the luls or hang with my (presumably you have at least one) companions"

You understand there's more to pvp then points, right?

Originally Posted by Sulfur

Then one asks oneself:
"do I try to make more commendations/points and drain this rock dry"
Or
"do I screw around for the luls or hang with my (presumably you have at least one) companions"

You understand there's more to pvp then points, right?

Raiding is boring. Solo/small group is much more fun.

Welcome back Leon aka Kareena, you were missed and was a lot of fun. Hopefully ur here for a bit. Thanks creeps too .

Originally Posted by Zalexia

Welcome back Leon aka Pedro, you werent missed and it was a lot of fun. Hopefully ur here for a short bit. Thanks creeps too .

Haha I'm kidding, wb.

As mentioned in my first post on this thread, my schedule can be a little hit or miss at times. Tonight is likely going to be a miss. I should be back on by tomorrow or Thursday at the latest, and I'll put together some raids then.

With Leon back this may not be a problem for tonight, and I know a few others recently that have been taking a step forward who will likely take over tonight.

-Syn

Originally Posted by synfin

As mentioned in my first post on this thread, my schedule can be a little hit or miss at times. Tonight is likely going to be a miss. I should be back on by tomorrow or Thursday at the latest, and I'll put together some raids then.

With Leon back this may not be a problem for tonight, and I know a few others recently that have been taking a step forward who will likely take over tonight.

-Syn

Excellent man. The times at the top of the thread are just a draft, just a rough idea. But let me know if that changes, I'll update it

Will add anyone to the list who wants to lead. Offering any tactics discussions in Freep Vent for anyone interested in leading freepside US.

I was able to show up after all, though I was only there for about an hour. And I should be here for Wednesday and Thursday this week.

No need to change anything, the earlier in the day of a weekday, the more unpredictable it is for my schedule.

You cannot satisfy everyone all the time.

I have been playing in the Moors on and off since I started playing this game ~5 years ago. I never amounted to much, my hunter just reached rank 7. I enjoy all types of Moor play, solo, duo, fellow and raid. There are a few things folks need to understand both on the creep side and the freep.

One of them is that you CANNOT call taking keeps PVE. That's silly. It's PVP AND PVE. It is what makes it so attractive not the commendations (which are good to get at the same time btw). Leading a small raid into a keep with a half dozen or so creeps is quite challenging and I rather enjoy it. Sometimes I come in with a full raid and take the keep by storm which I also enjoy very much. It wouldn't be near the fun if it were 100% PVE. I have been boo'd, I have had nasty tells sent to me and ###### comments typed in /ooc. Why? Because I had taken Lugz or because I had taken all the keeps leaving the map blue. Those of you who think this is stupid and not PVP need to keep a more open mind. Why in the world would you think your way is best? Don't we all enjoy different aspects in life? I want to take the keeps, it's part of the challenge.

When I first started coming into the moors I came with a group of 6 folks. We pounced on EVERYTHING solo or not. It takes time to learn etiquette, it's not something someone just knows but something acquired through experience. It makes sense to leave solo's alone but taking keeps?? Why not, if I can take the keep with 6 of us, then for crying out loud the creeps can too. Do you honestly believe that taking keeps changes your game play? If the creeps log because the map is blue what can I do about that? Stop having fun myself? For a game I pay to play? Does that mean when the map is red I'm not coming into the Moors either?? That's silly. It doesn't take an act of God for 6 creeps to get together and recapture the keep, but be careful. If I'm still in there I'm going to try to stop you!! :P Some of my most enjoyable times is taking a keep and giggling because I see a warg come in to watch. I know more are on the way and the tyrant is still at 60%. What a rush when the creeps come pouring in. We usually take a few down with us but in the end all hit our release buttons. My friends and I LOVE it. LOVE IT!

That being said, I apologize if what I'm about to say offends you. I'm not looking to start fights rather satisfy my desires as a gamer in LOTRO. Starting this Friday 6/15/12 at 7 PM Central US and every Friday after, I and several of my kinship members will be running raids in the moors. We will open this raid to any freeps that are interested in joining us. BUT BE WARNED!!!!! Our goal......paint the map blue. We can only hope to have several big raid vs raid open field and in keep battles as this is what we really are looking for. Being able to use our minds creating strategies and executing them on the field, ahhhhh the wonderful feeling of planning out attacks. If you don't mind painting the map blue, send me a tell. I plan on opening up our forums and having a sign up as well in the coming weeks. If this offends you, I'm very sorry but it can't be 1v1 24/7 we must share. I'm only asking for friday nights for a few hours.

Again, I'm not asking for permission from anyone as this is my right. I really don't need tells stating how I'm ruining the Moors or what a terrible person I am because I don't necessarily care to hear them. As always, I use my ignore feature and continue doing as I wish, which is enjoying the game I pay cash to play. I have read a great deal of posts on this moors forum and have a very large amount of respect for some of the creep and freep players I can only hope they will understand.

Those of you whom play creeps. If you are solo, duo or in a small fellowship I will insist everyone in the raid leave you to your small group play. I will try very hard to teach freeps the different types of game play in the moors. I also would not mind getting the opportunity to fight some of the creep raids while I'm out there. You'll roll us several times as the strategy we're putting together is new and may take a bit for most to understand, but hopefully through time we will prove ourselves on the field eventually becoming a challenge :P

Lominel

Originally Posted by leypar

blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahl

Just lead your raid into my firetraps and that's ok.

Originally Posted by leypar

One of them is that you CANNOT call taking keeps PVE. That's silly. It's PVP AND PVE. It is what makes it so attractive not the commendations (which are good to get at the same time btw). Leading a small raid into a keep with a half dozen or so creeps is quite challenging and I rather enjoy it. Sometimes I come in with a full raid and take the keep by storm which I also enjoy very much. It wouldn't be near the fun if it were 100% PVE. I have been boo'd, I have had nasty tells sent to me and ###### comments typed in /ooc. Why? Because I had taken Lugz or because I had taken all the keeps leaving the map blue. Those of you who think this is stupid and not PVP need to keep a more open mind. Why in the world would you think your way is best? Don't we all enjoy different aspects in life? I want to take the keeps, it's part of the challenge.

Only thing is, when there is no opposition when you are taking keeps, then it is pure PvE. What makes it PvP is players fighting players. Without opposition from the opposing side, you're just PvEing. This is why I hate groups that only run around and flip keeps, bypassing all of the fights just so they can flip keeps (not saying you're one of those).

I'm not saying that the only way to play is to PvP, but I'm just saying, why do people come out to the moors to avoid the other players and just PvE? You can do that in the other 95% of the game.

Originally Posted by Samus1111111

Only thing is, when there is no opposition when you are taking keeps, then it is pure PvE. What makes it PvP is players fighting players. Without opposition from the opposing side, you're just PvEing. This is why I hate groups that only run around and flip keeps, bypassing all of the fights just so they can flip keeps (not saying you're one of those).

I'm not saying that the only way to play is to PvP, but I'm just saying, why do people come out to the moors to avoid the other players and just PvE? You can do that in the other 95% of the game.

Some us like to find smaller fights than just the big raid zerg. Sometimes we just want to fight someplace else besides EC, TA lawn, and Stab. Nothing wrong with raids and large groups but sometimes its fun to roam. Especially on the rare occasions where you have two small groups stalking each other across the moors. Its kinda fun, like chasing down lightening strikes. Inevitably though those small groups tend to take the arms race route and you end up with a raid vs raid (not complaining its fun too) or one starts to dwindle and logs while the other one swells up.

Anytime you choose to fight in or near a keep you run the risk of having the opposing side show up and say hello. I would much rather fight contested in a keep, kill a few and die than just take down the tyrant and cg. But when you are in a group of six or eight and eighteen show up to fight you while in their npcs....well it gets a little rough and its kinda nice to get the tyrant or cg down before the swift travel to rez.

One of the changes that might make that more interesting would be to allow a kinship or tribe to "claim" a keep. This idea was in DAoC, probably some other games as well. Basically when your keep or outpost is attacked the kin would get a message saying such and such npc was just killed. Then if they want to fight for the keep they have that option. Throw siege weapons for assault or defense into the mix as well- not just oil but ballistas, catapults, rams, maybe even let a kin or tribe purchase or choose some of the npcs for their keeps.

Originally Posted by tkroll

One of the changes that might make that more interesting would be to allow a kinship or tribe to "claim" a keep. This idea was in DAoC, probably some other games as well. Basically when your keep or outpost is attacked the kin would get a message saying such and such npc was just killed. Then if they want to fight for the keep they have that option. Throw siege weapons for assault or defense into the mix as well- not just oil but ballistas, catapults, rams, maybe even let a kin or tribe purchase or choose some of the npcs for their keeps.

Interesting idea but I don't think it will work with the current keep design.

That would be kinda neat I think, Walton. But in saying that... DAoC old frontier RvR in its prime was the most fun I've ever had on a computer game ever. And that was what.. 8-9 years ago?. I highly doubt any MMORPG will ever be able to capture that same level of epic brilliance in a PvP environment. Fear the Void Eldritch. Ahh...

Originally Posted by leypar

You cannot satisfy everyone all the time.

I have been playing in the Moors on and off since I started playing this game ~5 years ago. I never amounted to much, my hunter just reached rank 7. I enjoy all types of Moor play, solo, duo, fellow and raid. There are a few things folks need to understand both on the creep side and the freep.

One of them is that you CANNOT call taking keeps PVE. That's silly. It's PVP AND PVE. It is what makes it so attractive not the commendations (which are good to get at the same time btw). Leading a small raid into a keep with a half dozen or so creeps is quite challenging and I rather enjoy it. Sometimes I come in with a full raid and take the keep by storm which I also enjoy very much. It wouldn't be near the fun if it were 100% PVE. I have been boo'd, I have had nasty tells sent to me and ###### comments typed in /ooc. Why? Because I had taken Lugz or because I had taken all the keeps leaving the map blue. Those of you who think this is stupid and not PVP need to keep a more open mind. Why in the world would you think your way is best? Don't we all enjoy different aspects in life? I want to take the keeps, it's part of the challenge.

When I first started coming into the moors I came with a group of 6 folks. We pounced on EVERYTHING solo or not. It takes time to learn etiquette, it's not something someone just knows but something acquired through experience. It makes sense to leave solo's alone but taking keeps?? Why not, if I can take the keep with 6 of us, then for crying out loud the creeps can too. Do you honestly believe that taking keeps changes your game play? If the creeps log because the map is blue what can I do about that? Stop having fun myself? For a game I pay to play? Does that mean when the map is red I'm not coming into the Moors either?? That's silly. It doesn't take an act of God for 6 creeps to get together and recapture the keep, but be careful. If I'm still in there I'm going to try to stop you!! :P Some of my most enjoyable times is taking a keep and giggling because I see a warg come in to watch. I know more are on the way and the tyrant is still at 60%. What a rush when the creeps come pouring in. We usually take a few down with us but in the end all hit our release buttons. My friends and I LOVE it. LOVE IT!

That being said, I apologize if what I'm about to say offends you. I'm not looking to start fights rather satisfy my desires as a gamer in LOTRO. Starting this Friday 6/15/12 at 7 PM Central US and every Friday after, I and several of my kinship members will be running raids in the moors. We will open this raid to any freeps that are interested in joining us. BUT BE WARNED!!!!! Our goal......paint the map blue. We can only hope to have several big raid vs raid open field and in keep battles as this is what we really are looking for. Being able to use our minds creating strategies and executing them on the field, ahhhhh the wonderful feeling of planning out attacks. If you don't mind painting the map blue, send me a tell. I plan on opening up our forums and having a sign up as well in the coming weeks. If this offends you, I'm very sorry but it can't be 1v1 24/7 we must share. I'm only asking for friday nights for a few hours.

Again, I'm not asking for permission from anyone as this is my right. I really don't need tells stating how I'm ruining the Moors or what a terrible person I am because I don't necessarily care to hear them. As always, I use my ignore feature and continue doing as I wish, which is enjoying the game I pay cash to play. I have read a great deal of posts on this moors forum and have a very large amount of respect for some of the creep and freep players I can only hope they will understand.

Those of you whom play creeps. If you are solo, duo or in a small fellowship I will insist everyone in the raid leave you to your small group play. I will try very hard to teach freeps the different types of game play in the moors. I also would not mind getting the opportunity to fight some of the creep raids while I'm out there. You'll roll us several times as the strategy we're putting together is new and may take a bit for most to understand, but hopefully through time we will prove ourselves on the field eventually becoming a challenge :P

Lominel

I don't think you quite understand exactly how you ruin the PvP for the rest of us.

When you take TR or Lugz you also take a rez. Rez shifts can change PvP dynamics drastically especially as a soloer because then all the creeps only have one place to come out and that place usually ends up getting farmed. Your PvE ruins the moors alot more than you think.

Pure stealth PvE keep taking in the moors has its specific time and place. Say you are drastically outnumbered and the map is the opposite colour. Taking a keep without opposition gives way for PvP to begin as you can balance the odds more and not have to come all the way back from GV but if you severaly outnumber the other side and take a keep you just lost all hope of the other enjoying their PvP experience.

It may be a blast for you but you are ruining the PvP for the everyone else.

Also plenty of people who plenty of experience still don't know how to be respectful. They care more about being a nice person rather than a nice player. Also creates a not so good PvP environment.

That being said Alekirios, then the creeps should follow those same guidelines. Ninety-five percent of the time I go into the Moors and the map is red. Also, I think you need to understand that PvP is not only for solo and small groups, but for raids as well. Not only open field raiding but keep raiding as well. It's the reason the keeps are in the game. Whether or not these keeps should be part of PvP or not is irrelevant, they are there, and there are too many different opinions to make everyone happy. In the Moors, because of the different game play (solo, small group, and raid), we all need to be more understanding of others. I'm not suggesting we paint the map blue and hold it, I'm suggesting we do this on raids I hold on Friday nights. At that point I would suggest six creeps get together and take back some or all of the keeps if they desire. Besides, turning the map blue is an easy statement to make. The creeps are going to have something to say about that, as they did last night. Not one keep was converted to blue.

Creeps and Freeps have been asking why the lack of participation on the Freep side of the raids. I can tell you it comes down to two things. One, lack of leadership. Last night I started my raid at 7 and ran it until 9. At no point did we have more than 13 players. The reason for this is because I am a new leader and after wiping twice people would leave. They have become spoiled by fantastic raid leaders. They are not willing to follow a new raid leader more than twenty minutes, giving that raid leader the experience he needs.

The second reason is because of selfish arrogant people that not only insist PvP is for solos and small groups without any keep action but also find it important to flame anyone that differs from their opinion in both the forums and OOC.

Lack of raids in the Moors will lead to the destruction of PvP. Contrary to your belief there are folks that enjoy open field and in-keep raiding. Many which are in my kinship.

I have never once suggested we take a keep unopposed. You never know about opposition until it shows, but if I had suggested it wouldn't it be my decision to make? Who promoted folks like you to be sheriff of The Moors. No, I'm not ruining anything, I am expanding. I'm trying to keep the raid aspect of PvP alive. It's comments like those you and others have made that are ruining The Moors. Get it through your head and quit being so selfish, The Moors was never meant to be solo and small group endeavors, hence the keeps being put into place.

I'm not sure what you meant about your last statement about nice people. Care to elaborate?

Originally Posted by leypar

Get it through your head and quit being so selfish, The Moors was never meant to be solo and small group endeavors, hence the keeps being put into place.

He says as he selfishly demands that solos/small groups don't matter and the moors are raid only...

Originally Posted by Samus1111111

He says as he selfishly demands that solos/small groups don't matter and the moors are raid only...

That isn't what he said at all. What he said was that "selfish and arrogant people insist the moors is just for solos and small groups..." He did not demand or say that solos or small groups don't matter. He did not say the moors were for raids only.


Honestly I think he has a good point. There are a lot of "attitudes" out there that say "my way or the highway" and people so full of themselves and narrow minded that only their one play style matters and the flame anyone who dares to disagree or do something different. The last few times I have been out there that trend seems to have died down a little. Honestly I hope it does- the things I loved the most about this game are the story, background, and the bulk of the community. Generally, most of the folks in the moors seem to be helpful and committed to helping everyone have a good time, or so it seems to me.

Originally Posted by leypar

I'm not sure what you meant about your last statement about nice people. Care to elaborate?

It's mostly the whole two-faced mentality really. They are a really nice guy when you talk to them but they are the ones that constantly zerg solos and have absolutely no respect but they get away with it because alot of people care more about what a person says then how a person plays. It seems like people in this game care more about a community then good pvp. I don't play this game to have tea parties. I play it to have fun with quality PvP. The casualness of this game is really taking a toll on the quality of PvP.

I do care about good community yes-good pvp and good community are not mutually exclusive.
And good community doesn't sitting down with opposing side for tea and crumpets on a regular basis. Maybe on Christmas day we can take a break from fighting....maybe.....

Not to bring the thread back on topic here....

I will not be able to show this Sunday (Father's Day traveling) and will be rather busy with work until Thursday, so I'm going to have to skip Tuesday as well for this week.

-Syn

He's flipping the Moors right now, woot! Time to log off.

Originally Posted by gimli4480

When you take TR or Lugz you also take a rez. Rez shifts can change PvP dynamics drastically especially as a soloer because then all the creeps only have one place to come out and that place usually ends up getting farmed.

I don't agree with your premise that the amount of spawn areas affects the quality of PvP. Correct me if I'm wrong, but soloers are looking to fight other soloers, which are the best creeps. Any creep that allows themself to be "farmed" at a rez is most likely a greenie that doesn't know how to play, or otherwise not a quality player. The good players will come out solo no matter what color the map is, no? So I don't understand why a soloer would care about rez or the color of the map.

Originally Posted by Sniz

I don't agree with your premise that the amount of spawn areas affects the quality of PvP. Correct me if I'm wrong, but soloers are looking to fight other soloers, which are the best creeps. Any creep that allows themself to be "farmed" at a rez is most likely a greenie that doesn't know how to play, or otherwise not a quality player. The good players will come out solo no matter what color the map is, no? So I don't understand why a soloer would care about rez or the color of the map.

The downside to keeps flipping is that it often results in turtling. Other than that, the color of keeps is pretty meh.

Originally Posted by Sniz

I don't agree with your premise that the amount of spawn areas affects the quality of PvP. Correct me if I'm wrong, but soloers are looking to fight other soloers, which are the best creeps. Any creep that allows themself to be "farmed" at a rez is most likely a greenie that doesn't know how to play, or otherwise not a quality player. The good players will come out solo no matter what color the map is, no? So I don't understand why a soloer would care about rez or the color of the map.

The problem is many players think the solozergball counts as soloing, when really it's just raiding without healing.

Originally Posted by cmal

The downside to keeps flipping is that it often results in turtling. Other than that, the color of keeps is pretty meh.

Those that want to turtle will find their NPC shell -- if not a keep, then EC/OC -- so I still call bunk on the theory that keep taking affects PvP negatively. If anything this guy is adding another dimension to gameplay by grouping up and pushing a keep when otherwise it would be the usual turtle shuffle.

Originally Posted by Sniz

Those that want to turtle will find their NPC shell -- if not a keep, then EC/OC -- so I still call bunk on the theory that keep taking affects PvP negatively. If anything this guy is adding another dimension to gameplay by grouping up and pushing a keep when otherwise it would be the usual turtle shuffle.

I agree completely and I guess I wasn't clear. Of course those who choose to 1v1 normally will be completely unaffected by keep changes (aside from the zerg paths changing) but it is less likely that I will find any who don't normally 1v1. I get bored of fighting the same old faces.

By the way, you gotta stop going afk on the ground floor of keeps! Makes it hard for me to farm NPCs and someone always feels the need to call me out while I sit in front of you waiting for you to come back.

Whoooo, great fights tonight guys, keep it up, this is what I've been missing .

It was a lot of fun, thanks Synlas! Creeps wiped, freeps wiped, we fought in keeps, we fought in the open, we fought in cover. Great fun all around.

Originally Posted by cmal

It was a lot of fun, thanks Synlas! Creeps wiped, freeps wiped, we fought in keeps, we fought in the open, we fought in cover. Great fun all around.

100% agree...synlas and shak kept it moving and moving = fun...nice job

Originally Posted by tkroll

I do care about good community yes-good pvp and good community are not mutually exclusive.
And good community doesn't sitting down with opposing side for tea and crumpets on a regular basis. Maybe on Christmas day we can take a break from fighting....maybe.....

Ahh...you can take a break from fighting any time. I occasionally run up to GV and frolic with freeps for a few minutes of non-lethal emoting and general goofiness.

Of course, some angry hunter always shows up and starts shooting me for no reason which busts up the whole party, but ehh...hunters are like that.

I've never had crumpets, though. Do they taste like rabbits?

Feelmybite, Raveslime and Cmalberg, that was *FUN*. Thanks to all the freeps and creeps that showed, it was a great group that worked together magnificently. Shak, thanks for engaging us repeatedly, and I hope you are satisfied that we did the same for you. For the freeps especially, excellent group play there, great movement, and thanks for your patience during some of the wipes, as I am still inexperienced when compared to Leon, Sylidor, Dealarr, and Kriptic.

Great fights for both sides with battles from TR to OC, inside TA, inside TR, many throughout TR field, Sniz's rock, at least two fights southside of the rock formation north of EC, crossroads (EC side), and perhaps more I can't remember. My personal favorite was when our two sides fought each other to a draw north of EC, and we both retreated. Those were well matched raids.

Until Sylidor returns, Lominal and I will be looking to form groups on this schedule http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...ated-RvR-Times . So if you're looking for more action please come out then.

-Syn

P.S.: Disclaimer, as most of us are adults here with real life responsibilities, due to real life, sometimes we won't be able to show and this will be without warning.

Originally Posted by Ugmo

Ahh...you can take a break from fighting any time. I occasionally run up to GV and frolic with freeps for a few minutes of non-lethal emoting and general goofiness.

Of course, some angry hunter always shows up and starts shooting me for no reason which busts up the whole party, but ehh...hunters are like that.

I've never had crumpets, though. Do they taste like rabbits?

Warg cheer emote is my favorite one I've seen creep side.

Personally have no idea what a crumpet tastes like- maybe like a doughnut?

Some hunters often tend to shoot anything that moves... joke at work is the hardhat with antlers attached- we want overhead to wear it during rifle season. Speaking of work....(sigh least its OT).

Originally Posted by synfin

Feelmybite, Raveslime and Cmalberg, that was *FUN*. Thanks to all the freeps and creeps that showed, it was a great group that worked together magnificently. Shak, thanks for engaging us repeatedly, and I hope you are satisfied that we did the same for you. For the freeps especially, excellent group play there, great movement, and thanks for your patience during some of the wipes, as I am still inexperienced when compared to Leon, Sylidor, Dealarr, and Kriptic.

Great fights for both sides with battles from TR to OC, inside TA, inside TR, many throughout TR field, Sniz's rock, at least two fights southside of the rock formation north of EC, crossroads (EC side), and perhaps more I can't remember. My personal favorite was when our two sides fought each other to a draw north of EC, and we both retreated. Those were well matched raids.

Until Sylidor returns, Lominal and I will be looking to form groups on this schedule http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...ated-RvR-Times . So if you're looking for more action please come out then.

-Syn

P.S.: Disclaimer, as most of us are adults here with real life responsibilities, due to real life, sometimes we won't be able to show and this will be without warning.

Ya, those were awesome fights, thanks a ton for not running to EC all the time. Made the fights much more fun . Now you guys just need to stop spam tracking me :P.

Originally Posted by tkroll

Warg cheer emote is my favorite one I've seen creep side.

Personally have no idea what a crumpet tastes like- maybe like a doughnut?

Some hunters often tend to shoot anything that moves... joke at work is the hardhat with antlers attached- we want overhead to wear it during rifle season. Speaking of work....(sigh least its OT).

a crumpet is just an english muffin that hasn't been cut in two.

ah well ive had plenty of english muffins.

Was thinking about steak all day at work- kinda happens when range management asks for help and pulls me out of the timber. All them cattle make me think about steak and cheeseburgers....

Hoping for a good night in the moors tonight- little burn after a fifty hour week. Least it isn't sixty.

Originally Posted by deathboy2000

a crumpet is just an english muffin that hasn't been cut in two.

That doesn't seem deserving of it's own name.