Thread: RvR Times

Lets get this going again.

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RvR FREEPSIDE;

---> Sylidor* ;

US~
Thursday; Aprox~ 11PM US servertime --->
Friday; As early as possible - but I have to leave by 10:15PM US servertime.
Saturday; 10PM US servertime onwards.

~ OUT EVERY DAY AROUND 1AM US SERVERTIME. For anyone interested in grouping/raiding this late, Yicky and I will be out at this time.

Aus~
Every single day of the week.

---> Synlas* ;

US~
Tuesday; Aprox~ 8:30 PM EST (server time) until ---> 11:30-12:30 in the evening.
Sunday; Aprox~ 8:30 PM EST (server time) until ---> 11:30-12:30 in the evening.
Friday; Filling in for a few hours after *Sylidor leaves on Friday at 10:30 PM until about 12:30.

Aus~
?

---> Unlisted leaders.
Illy
Celderon
Zoli
Alzie
Vaapad
Awsomeise
Quten
Leon
Others?~
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RvR CREEPSIDE;

Yicky
Vyxe
Smegrat
Burtnakh
Hellnakh
Wretcher
Others?~

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Now I can confirm that I can make it out for those 3 days to get some RvR action, Yicky or Vyxe if you want in. I'm calling for anybody to step up for the rest of the week (Sunday, Monday, Tues, Wed) to lead US prime time for teh freeps. Anybody who wants in on this, let me know and I can lend any advice/tips about leading (and I'm sure other "known" leaders would do this also) freep raids in the moors.

Likewise, for Aus Prime time - anyone that wants to step up for Aus Prime Time creep raid leading should give Hellnakh/Burt/Smeg and others a buzz. I'm sure they'd appreciate more leaders.

Guys, we probably don't have long left to enjoy what remains of this game - but lets make the moors a memorable place - (even now), despite all of the imbalance/bugs/lack of new original pvp content, so that we can look back at this game with a smile - not a pained rememberance of the mundane rez camps, zerging and stale fighting that took place to the very end.

Cheers.

(and I'm sure other "known" leaders would do this also)

lol Not likely. Freepside isn't that fun anymore.

Guys, we probably don't have long left to enjoy what remains of this game

What's that suppose to mean? The game isn't dying yet.



Creepside has enough raid leaders. I think Freepside is the only side that only has a couple raid leaders.

Originally Posted by Graycient

lol Not likely. Freepside isn't that fun anymore.

The problem is that they're getting stomped consistently during US prime time RvR (or lack there of).

Originally Posted by Graycient

What's that suppose to mean? The game isn't dying yet.

Believe me, it is. Game's worst it's been in awhile as far as PvP goes, as well as the alternate games coming around for far better PvP to which we're going to lose a tonne of the veteran PvPers. Obviously the PvE side of the game is of no concern to the OP.

Originally Posted by Graycient

Creepside has enough raid leaders. I think Freepside is the only side that only has a couple raid leaders.

Do you creep Aus primetime? Smeg and Burt are the only good leaders running open raids to fight the Japanese zerg afaik. Obviously it's a difference case US primetime, as I already mentioned.

Originally Posted by MaroonDragoon

Do you creep Aus primetime? Smeg and Burt are the only good leaders running open raids to fight the Japanese zerg afaik. Obviously it's a difference case US primetime, as I already mentioned.

I primarily play Aussie time Sometimes I get on a couple hours earlier to see Vyxe on.

Originally Posted by MaroonDragoon

...tonne...

Holy #### you are one of those empiricals? And to think I sat around and told stories with you!

Originally Posted by Graycient

lol Not likely. Freepside isn't that fun anymore.

In all seriousness. Can I ask why it isn't fun anymore? Is it the people, the lack of leaders, environment? a few of us are working on making things better on freepside but it would be easier if we knew what the issues are.

Originally Posted by MaroonDragoon

The problem is that they're getting stomped consistently during US prime time RvR (or lack there of).

This is a problem that can be fixed with some help. But as I said before, It would be better if we knew what you guys wanted.


Having a long discussion with a couple of the creep leaders and some of the freeps tonight, I am interested in knowing if some help from the creep community would be welcomed by you guys.

allow me to explain.

*sits freeps around campfire*

back when I was a young spider.....


ehem...back in SOA, Moria, Mirkwood, freeps had a very similar system to the creeps reguarding community, voice chat, websites, etc. These are all pretty much gone and the community on creepside itself has kind of become a place of animosity towards each other, clicky, and a lot of lack of enjoyment and hatred over there. The community of freeps and creeps were one whole group as friends that fought against each other. sure there were the people that hated anything that moved, but compared to the community as a whole, they were few and far between. Creeps and freeps were all a big Elendilmir Family. Now there is a lot of anger about that is un-needed. Part of that in my opinion is the fact that the freeps dont have a central hang out where they can sit and enjoy the company of each other while playing and hearing the voices of players to help create an emotional bond between them. How much can you get from OOC chatter? Not much really. It is text. there is no memorable voice behind it that you can relate to. No form on humanity behind it.
SO

IF the freeps are willing, some of the creep leaders are wanting to help in getting a voice server set up for freeps that will be free for you to use for groups, raids, solos, and basically anything for the moors. chit chat and get to know you's etc.
(yes it will be teamspeak because it is cheaper and more maintainable at the moment). I think that may be the first step for the freeps getting back on their feet and in the game.

I also think this will help people that are thinking about leading because they can get to know their teammates on a more personal level. It can be difficult getting the strength up to lead when you are relating with text. actually hearing people's voices on a regular basis and getting to know the players and developing those friendships can really entice others to lead.

So with that....

Who is on board? I know Sylidor is.

Even if you think you wouldn't use it, you can still help support the idea if you think it is a good one in repairing the community. We are creeps, but in the end we are all on the same side. And most of us are really nice people that love the community and want it to flourish like it used to.

In all seriousness. Can I ask why it isn't fun anymore? Is it the people, the lack of leaders, environment? a few of us are working on making things better on freepside but it would be easier if we knew what the issues are.

Creepside has a better community (awesome people like: Yicky, Wretcher, Dren, Vyxe, Durk, Bono, etc) players who rely on eachother (few solos, but even they know how to utilize teamwork well), and it's the underdog (harder to play). I might one day go back to Freepside, but for the time being I'm sticking with Creepside.

Don't get me wrong, there are some good people on Freepside (Sylidor being one of them). While communication Freepside is awful, my biggest issue is with the Freep players themselves. Most of the are great at solo, but they're just plain terrible at playing together as a team... Quite disastrous. People don't want to play their roles in groups <-- this is also an issue. Can you imagine if every Defiler decided they didn't want to heal again... ever?! It's like you have to baby them through the whole thing. "Minstrel, please heal something, it's why you're here", "Lore-Master, please debuff stuff instead of just going only dps", "Champion, use your horn please", "Captains please save your in-combat rezes for emergencies while we're still in-combat".

This is all fixable. It's quite simple: Learn your group role, and learn it well! Please, it will improve Freepside sooo much!

It's more fun to raid on a side where people know how to play their class roles

Freepside could certainly benefit from some form of voice communication. It won't solve all of the issues but it would be a step in the right direction. I think it is very generous of you to offer to help out.

Originally Posted by Tarod

Freepside could certainly benefit from some form of voice communication. It won't solve all of the issues but it would be a step in the right direction.

I agree it would benefit from that.

bah ha ga ra herp derp

Originally Posted by Graycient

Creepside has a better community (awesome people like: Yicky, Wretcher, Dren, Vyxe, Durk, Bono, etc) players who rely on eachother (few solos, but even they know how to utilize teamwork well), and it's the underdog (harder to play). I might one day go back to Freepside, but for the time being I'm sticking with Creepside.

Don't get me wrong, there are some good people on Freepside (Sylidor being one of them). While communication Freepside is awful, my biggest issue is with the Freep players themselves. Most of the are great at solo, but they're just plain terrible at playing together as a team... Quite disastrous. People don't want to play their roles in groups <-- this is also an issue. Can you imagine if every Defiler decided they didn't want to heal again... ever?! It's like you have to baby them through the whole thing. "Minstrel, please heal something, it's why you're here", "Lore-Master, please debuff stuff instead of just going only dps", "Champion, use your horn please", "Captains please save your in-combat rezes for emergencies while we're still in-combat".

This is all fixable. It's quite simple: Learn your group role, and learn it well! Please, it will improve Freepside sooo much!

It's more fun to raid on a side where people know how to play their class roles

Lot of people seem like all they want to do is "1v1" Not random 1v1s on the map but little fight clubs at GV Hill, V Rock, and the like. If you ask them to take it to candy mountain or even choose an out of the way place the responses you receive are childish and friggin rude. If the all someone wants to do is 1v1 fine, that is how they want to play. Some of us like small group fights, some of us like raids.

If your rolling around in a small group and don't find another small group to fight and decide to take a relic or a keep you become an evil PvEr in the moors. Most of this stuff seems fairly recent too I can't remember ever seeing so much hostility over taking a keep in the past. I have never seen that kind of hostility towards each other the few times I played creepside.

I enjoy both aspects of this game 90 percent of the time. It's the idea of Middle Earth and everything that goes with it that brought me here and a handful of people that are too much fun that keep me here. Most of the other games out at the moment just don't appeal to me (SWTOR, WOW,). Besides the people whose company I enjoy are all here. There are few people creepside that I am always happy to see on, even if I only know them by reputation, mostly because fights they are involved with are almost always fun and challenging, even on a not so good night.


On a side note there is a big black bear roaming though my drive way..... Guess he's after the neighbors trash can again. Old moldy pizza or what ever is in there must be tastier than blackberries and choke cherries.

Syl, this is a brilliant idea.

I can take Sunday and Tuesday at approximately 8:30 PM EST (server time) until about 11:30-12:30 in the evening.
I can fill in for a few hours after you leave Friday at 10:30 PM until about 12:30. My Saturdays are reserved for PvE.

I'm *not an experienced* PvP leader, but I am in PvE and have led some infrequent PvP groups here and there. So any tips you can give would be appreciated. Personally I think it is less important that the leader is greatly experienced than is willing to stand up, try it, an know enough to get by.

DISCLAIMER: I cannot promise I will be there every night if real life intervenes, but I should be there *most* of the time.

Originally Posted by Kelly543

Guys, we probably don't have long left to enjoy what remains of this game - but lets make the moors a memorable place - (even now), despite all of the imbalance/bugs/lack of new original pvp content, so that we can look back at this game with a smile - not a pained rememberance of the mundane rez camps, zerging and stale fighting that took place to the very end.

This is unfortunately a very true statement as far as PvP goes. PvE will linger on for a long time, probably even reaching Mordor. But PvP is showing strain that it is unlikely to ever recover beyond 1v1's of whatever the OP classes of the month happen to be. I doubt Turbine's reimplementations, though good for short term money, will have much affect on fostering a long term PvP community.

I also want to enjoy these months while it still has the potential to be good,

-Syn

Great posts by Sylidor, Yicky and Waltonbrand.

I'm liking this thread.

BTW, Illy's raid was a ton of fun and he should be continually encouraged to lead, as I hadn't seen him lead, prior to last night, in a long time. It brought back fun memories of days long gone.

Originally Posted by Delmore

In all seriousness. Can I ask why it isn't fun anymore? Is it the people, the lack of leaders, environment? a few of us are working on making things better on freepside but it would be easier if we knew what the issues are.

To be brief and avoid unpleasant topics among the freeps, the fix is in Sylidor's post. We need to make the call to get more people to stand up and lead a raid, which includes getting people to work in a team as their classes were meant to be. Currently, for regular leadership we only have Sylidor and Celderon. Some may disagree with Celderon, but I will point out that he is willing to lead the freeps, instead of talk about how he might lead the freeps and never do so. For that alone I give him my respect.

Originally Posted by Delmore

IF the freeps are willing, some of the creep leaders are wanting to help in getting a voice server set up for freeps that will be free for you to use for groups, raids, solos, and basically anything for the moors. chit chat and get to know you's etc.
(yes it will be teamspeak because it is cheaper and more maintainable at the moment). I think that may be the first step for the freeps getting back on their feet and in the game.

This is a great idea. I personally prefer Teamspeak to Ventrillo, but so long as all Freep leaders agree to one, I'll go with that one.

***HOWEVER***

Whatever technology and server is picked, please oh god stick with it. Let us not have a vent for one kin, a teamspeak for another, another vent server for another kin, another vent for 5 friends who randomly frequent the Moors, a mumble for another kin, etc, etc.

All Freep leaders should agree on one server, and enforce it or eject people from the raid who refuse. That is the only way to have a chance to keep it growing and healthy.

I'll use whatever Syl is using,
-Syn

I feel that I have been over this time and time again but people continue to blatantly ignore the fact that raids spend a lot of time just sitting. If I am solo and sitting I can be tabbed out and doing something else while waiting for the fight. When I am in a raid I cannot. If people are actually fighting (and not zerging solos as groups/raids DO, I have seen parts of groups splinter off to kill one person and ignore the greater fight) then I am all for small group/fellowship/raids. Figure out a way to stop a raid from intentionally targeting only things they know they can kill and you will get better fights and more raids. I choose not to try to run from the groups because they will chase you halfway across the map for that measly one kill and it is faster to just charge in head first, die, and retreat.

Unfortunately this largely depends on players respecting each other and that does not seem likely despite the positive intents of this thread.

Originally Posted by tkroll

If you ask them to take it to candy mountain or even choose an out of the way place the responses you receive are childish and friggin rude. If the all someone wants to do is 1v1 fine, that is how they want to play. Some of us like small group fights, some of us like raids.

Really? I have seen equally rude and frankly dismissive posts from people who swear up and down that the moors were intended for raid fights and raid fights alone. As I have mentioned elsewhere, there is NOTHING a solo player can do do force someone who groups to fight them solo. The ultimate result of zerging solo players is forcing them to group or leave the moors. It takes next to no time to figure out if something is a 1v1 or even a fight club and groups choose to zerg them anyways. Way to let people play how they want to play. In fact the larger population demonstrates time and time again that they don't care about people who don't agree with them.

As for the community, I stopped playing creepside as I found the opposite is true. Freeps are, in my experience, less likely to be nasty and badmouth players on the opposing side or even players on their own side. There are exceptions to this rule but the majority of my experiences since RoI have been negative while playing my creeps. I have had players tell me I am trash/freepcreep/ignored simply because I asked them why it is worth 15 creeps heading to HH to kill a single freep. I have had players call me an easy-moder simply because I play freep side as well as creep. I have had people I have never fought telling me that they know I will do anything it takes to win and that I am not worth fighting. Sure, the communication may be greater creepside but I don't enjoy the locker room style of conversation. The maturity of much of creepside seems to match that of the forums.

Anyways, that is my take on the situation. Blah blah blah disclaimer not all creeps blah blah blah respect for players. Figure out a way to set up some good RvR action and I am on board, 100%.

Freepside used to have a very active vent.

Then Leon left and there was noone there to lead.

Then Dealarr decided to start leading.

Unfortunately, Dealarr refused to use vent despite there usually being plenty of admins on to register people.

Dealarr also mostly lead raids for himself and noone else and thus came the break in communication on freepside.

There was a vent. It just sat there being unused.

Originally Posted by cmal

I feel that I have been over this time and time again but people continue to blatantly ignore the fact that raids spend a lot of time just sitting.

I agree with this. That's why Sylidor and Illy, if he starts leading them again, are great examples to follow of how to raid. Even if we get wiped, it's never boring because we are always moving and always getting a chance to use our skills.

On this note, I'd also be interested to know why so many people have such an anti-raid attitude? I routinely see people venting in glff or OOC that solo or small group is the only way to go, or, if a person does raid, it should be done very rarely. If people only want to solo or small group, cool. I have a lot of fun soloing, but I don't get why people think you are therefore a better player for the sole reason that you only solo or small group; it's like you have to have some other excuse than finding it boring constantly running back from the rez circle. I'd much rather have heals and all the other benefits of the group dynamic and be able to use my skills over and over in a long fight than to be limited to one or two skills before I have to hit retreat and run all the way back to the action again.

Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems to me that, because it's a video game, it might be better to approach LOTRO PvMP as a fun source of leisure over some kind of a serious tryout where you have to prove to everyone your skill.

Originally Posted by gunnerz

On this note, I'd also be interested to know why so many people have such an anti-raid attitude? I routinely see people venting in glff or OOC that solo or small group is the only way to go, or, if a person does raid, it should be done very rarely. If people only want to solo or small group, cool. I have a lot of fun soloing, but I don't get why people think you are therefore a better player for the sole reason that you only solo or small group; it's like you have to have some other excuse than finding it boring constantly running back from the rez circle. I'd much rather have heals and all the other benefits of the group dynamic and be able to use my skills over and over in a long fight than to be limited to one or two skills before I have to hit retreat and run all the way back to the action again.

I think part of the reason that Illy does a good job (haven't been in or seen his raids, just his small fellow work) is that he knows the ins and outs of his class, groups, and the mechanics of the moors. Just having that knowledge we do wonders for a group or solo player. Clearly biased here but I think playing solo from time to time helps you realize what a player or class is capable of and lead you to respond appropriately in different situations. Playing solo or small grouped has the potential to make you a better player in the sense that you use the full potential of the class in any given situation, including in a raid setting. Other than that, it is just people letting their egos get the better of them. One type of play is not superior to another; like you said, have fun. However, I think we should also do what we can to make sure people who we are playing with/against have fun as well. More population can mean better fights and alienating one subset does not seem like it would improve the moors at all.

It occurs to me that there were also issues with people flipping sides daily for the pve quest commendations. I frown on this as do many players. Unfortunately there wasn't really anything that could be done aside from avoid the pve fest raids.

Originally Posted by cmal

Unfortunately this largely depends on players respecting each other and that does not seem likely despite the positive intents of this thread.

Really? I have seen equally rude and frankly dismissive posts from people who swear up and down that the moors were intended for raid fights and raid fights alone.

Some of your comments are right on- particularly your comment about how much time a raid may spend sitting. Or how much time some players spend afk and on /follow. And you may have a point about some of the comments about people saying the moors are just for raids. It seems to boil down to a few people being treated with a lack of respect, it might just be a snide comment but it tends to build up on both sides and the next thing I know is my ignore list gets bigger. It used to be the only people I iggied were coming over not to play but just to whine in glff or consistently brag about their ability and ego (well and the gold spammers too).

Timing- thursday nights I am usually on. Most other nights depend on work or family stuff. With fire season coming on I might wind up with a lot less time but never know.

Yes freepside needs one vent server. I hate using in game voice, it makes me have to turn down my music.

Establish Vent/TS3 server.
Invite people.
Keep inviting people.
Invite those people invited already to invite more people.
People > procedures.
Make as few rules as possible.
Streamline registration.
Some spying will happen -- work around it.

Take the first step and see who follows -- forgiveness > permission. If this seedling sprouts then enough people will step up to care for it. Difference of values fractured the Freep Vent/TS3 community from a few years ago. Fewer hands plucking the strings is better. Make it happen or this is yet another thread of fluff and disjointed perspective-sharing...

Creepside isn't harder to play, nor has a better community. Get over it. Harder to be successful at, I'll wager. Not to play though.

Originally Posted by Sulfur

Creepside isn't harder to play, nor has a better community. Get over it. Harder to be successful at, I'll wager. Not to play though.

Unfortunately the most accurate response in this thread.

I cheer Freep leaders.

I think we are also overlooking Zolie here.

On both freep and creep side he has been willing to PUG people together and has been accepting of all, regardless of rank or class. He's new to leading but not to the game and seems to have a mix of good intentions mixed with inexperience. Voice communication is something that his groups really need I understand.

When Zolie brought out his PvE raids (?/12 looking for more), for "700 commendations", I had plenty of good fights against him. 12 seemed to be a good sized freep group for Ausi time. The problem was never with Zolie really, rather it was the other 12 solo zergers that followed him around.

I think leaders both sides need to realise how strong the opposition is they are fighting at any one time and adjust location or tactics to suit. Sometimes it's the things you don't do that show you’re a good sport; I know many leaders will leave 1v1 freeps/creeps alone. I know many leaders will walk away from a fight if a boxer shows up. My advice to Zolie or people who find they get followed about by the solo zerg is to treat them just like a boxer..... Just walk away and hope they wipe.

The Ausi time experience, for me, has been unique in this game (meaning it was unlike any other prime time I played in). We once had the best sports I’ve seen and the best fights to go with it. Where did they all go? We now have too many freeps that are the exact opposite. They actively seek to make PvP bad for other players both freep and creep alike. Some would have to be the most selfish players I've seen in this game.

Everyone who has played Ausi time knows about the ‘Chio Zerg’ and you would know how little they contribute towards a good community. If you ever shared a Moors with them you would know exactly what I’m talking about.

Lately we have also been blessed with a 4 mini 2 cappy group (sometimes they get a guard, RK and 3rd cappy too). They are about when there is no creep group to stand up to them but they vanish once a group is made and they have one or two wipes.

It's hard to think why many creeps would want to log in Ausi time when we have so many freeps like this to fight.

Ausi time was once great. I hope for my time zones sake that freep leaders can bring good fights back to Ausi time. I believe there is still enough people around with good intentions who feel the same way. I did see Syldor and Smeg going at it for a few hours the other night. It looked brutal particularly at TR rez. A few more Friday nights like that and who knows?

Getting gold tags killed is an entirely different game in itself. And it's hilarious.

Some great comments/discussion in here.

I'd like to add to what Velltine was saying - more-so the fact that raids will generally only last 3-4 hours (at least, they do about for me). The rest of the time throughout the course of the day will 90% of the time result in solo/small group action. So to be honest, imo - making use of raiding opportunities to work together, have fun, and participate in the largest capacity of pvp fighting that Turbine has to offer is something not worth missing.

Anyway, I'm going to be re-editing the top post of this thread guys - and put anyone's name down (such as Syn) as to keep track of any freep/creep leaders who are available at certain times. Hopefully, this can mean we know when who is on (roughly), so that we can roughly judge when to log on at specific times and can EXPECT group action. Some people might not agree with this idea - but from what I've seen, I'm reckoning we need some organisation.

Keep the discussion up, please. It's fantastic.

We should agree on a Vent / TS server while we are talking about this now.

Sylidor's post is good for keeping action during some hours of the day, but Yicky's idea with Vent/TS is probably one of the best bet's we'll have to keeping the community together outside of those days.

Sylidor, you have started using Vent in some raids. Is this a public freep vent? Can anyone use it provided it is somehow Moors related? I also have no objections to using a Teamspeak channel/server set up by some of the creeps. Let's just agree on a single server with all freep leaders.

A central Freep voice server will only work if all Freep leaders agree to a specific voice server for his and her raids. If we make the raids regular enough, and enforce the usage of the voice server, then over time the server should have a healthy player base using it even when there is not a raid out. Just like with the creeps.
-Syn

Originally Posted by synfin

We should agree on a Vent / TS server while we are talking about this now.

Sylidor's post is good for keeping action during some hours of the day, but Yicky's idea with Vent/TS is probably one of the best bet's we'll have to keeping the community together outside of those days.

Sylidor, you have started using Vent in some raids. Is this a public freep vent? Can anyone use it provided it is somehow Moors related? I also have no objections to using a Teamspeak channel/server set up by some of the creeps. Let's just agree on a single server with all freep leaders.

A central Freep voice server will only work if all Freep leaders agree to a specific voice server for his and her raids. If we make the raids regular enough, and enforce the usage of the voice server, then over time the server should have a healthy player base using it even when there is not a raid out. Just like with the creeps.
-Syn

In agreeance to all of this.

I'm looking into organising a vent for us to set-up, but I have used Fin's vent for raid-purposes. Obviously, we need a permanent fix, not a temporary bandade, otherwise the sustainability you're talking about that the creeps do have isn't going to show up.

So.

I'll be talking to various vent owners (leon, Fin etc.) as to whether we can use a pre-existing vent, or create a new server for facility.
I don't mind either way, but the former will take less time/effort to organise.

Will get back to everyone on this.

Originally Posted by Kelly543

Obviously, we need a permanent fix, not a temporary bandade, otherwise the sustainability you're talking about that the creeps do have isn't going to show up.

Agreed. Freep vent had issues last time, it seemed like every month or so it changed to a new server. Stability is very, very important otherwise people won't take it seriously and will eventually give up on using it.

As far as I can remember playing, BAOS's teamspeak server has remained stable.

-Syn

Originally Posted by Kelly543

Lets get this going again.

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RvR FREEPSIDE;

---> Sylidor* ;

US~
Thursday; Aprox~ 11PM US servertime --->
Friday; As early as possible - but I have to leave by 10:15PM US servertime.
Saturday; 10PM US servertime onwards.

Aus~
Every single day of the week.

---> Synlas* ;

US~
Tuesday; Aprox~ 8:30 PM EST (server time) until ---> 11:30-12:30 in the evening.
Sunday; Aprox~ 8:30 PM EST (server time) until ---> 11:30-12:30 in the evening.
Friday; Filling in for a few hours after *Sylidor leaves on Friday at 10:30 PM until about 12:30.

Aus~
?

---> Unlisted leaders.
Illy
Celderon
Zoli
Alzie
Vaapad
Others?~
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RvR CREEPSIDE;

Yicky
Vyxe
Smegrat
Burtnakh
Hellnakh
Wretcher
Others?~

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Now I can confirm that I can make it out for those 3 days to get some RvR action, Yicky or Vyxe if you want in. I'm calling for anybody to step up for the rest of the week (Sunday, Monday, Tues, Wed) to lead US prime time for teh freeps. Anybody who wants in on this, let me know and I can lend any advice/tips about leading (and I'm sure other "known" leaders would do this also) freep raids in the moors.

Likewise, for Aus Prime time - anyone that wants to step up for Aus Prime Time creep raid leading should give Hellnakh/Burt/Smeg and others a buzz. I'm sure they'd appreciate more leaders.

Guys, we probably don't have long left to enjoy what remains of this game - but lets make the moors a memorable place - (even now), despite all of the imbalance/bugs/lack of new original pvp content, so that we can look back at this game with a smile - not a pained rememberance of the mundane rez camps, zerging and stale fighting that took place to the very end.

Cheers.

I have seen awesomeisprime try to start raids and also quten. I know awesome is new at it but taking the reigns is commended.

Originally Posted by Kelly543

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Illy

One zerg-rage response raid does not a leader make.

Originally Posted by CodeofMisconduct

One zerg-rage response raid does not a leader make.

Be that as it may, it was nice to see you in the group action. Back when I used to run under you and Stickeye, *grabs walker to show age* you were an enjoyable leader. I can understand if you wouldn't want to, but I for one wouldn't mind seeing you in the driver seat. And that isn't to bag on anyone else, just the more leaders out, the less downtime in the moors there would be

Originally Posted by Delmore

Be that as it may, it was nice to see you in the group action. Back when I used to run under you and Stickeye, *grabs walker to show age* you were an enjoyable leader. I can understand if you wouldn't want to, but I for one wouldn't mind seeing you in the driver seat. And that isn't to bag on anyone else, just the more leaders out, the less downtime in the moors there would be

Exactly.

The moors could use you dude, whenever you have the time. There was an incredibly positive response from what I've heard of.

The more leadahs, the better.

Know-how exists, willingness eludes.

We should add Synlas to the list of freeps to encourage to lead raids. He did an excellent job tonight; kept us moving, great strategist, knows how to find action, nice guy and I think everyone had a lot of fun in his raid tonight.

Well, that went well. Through nearly pure pvp action I obtained around 2500 commendations. Once BAOS's daily stats site updates I can tell for certain how much action there was (at most I think I earned 500 renown outside of the raid that day, probably less). At the end we had a few keep actions mostly because it looked as if Vyxe didn't have the numbers and we wanted to disband. Then we got a resurgence attack at TA from Vyxe before calling it a night.

Good raids all.
-Syn

Originally Posted by CodeofMisconduct

One zerg-rage response raid does not a leader make.

True, but, logically, it's not true that just because "one zerg-rage response raid does not a leader make" the person who lead the "zerg-rage response raid" is therefore not a leader. You're one heck of a raid-leader and I hope you are willing to lead them again. Everybody had a lot of fun in that group.

I know he can only raid some of the time but good job syn. IT was fun, but laggy tonight (specially at ta ).

Originally Posted by synfin

Well, that went well. Through nearly pure pvp action I obtained around 2500 commendations. Once BAOS's daily stats site updates I can tell for certain how much action there was (at most I think I earned 500 renown outside of the raid that day, probably less). At the end we had a few keep actions mostly because it looked as if Vyxe didn't have the numbers and we wanted to disband. Then we got a resurgence attack at TA from Vyxe before calling it a night.

Good raids all.
-Syn

You realize you can easily make more soloing, right?