Thread: As a creep or freep or both, do you like to group or raid?

Originally Posted by Grusk

And yet, the second, third, fourth (et al) will continue to jump in regardless.

Yes, I have never ever seen freeps engage in this kind of action. Its not like they hide around the corner on horseback and wait for a creep to engage then ride in. No sir never seen it....

Originally Posted by cww33aa

So I know that wargs are much hated in the moors, and I know that there is a lot of abuse, but we don't all like to do this. I just wanted to point out that we are a stealth class. I can't always see the other wargs around me. So maybe I pounce a guy looking for a good 1v1 and some nice infamy, but oops, there was another warg around me thinking the same thing. It is sometimes as annoying for us as it is for you guys.

^ THIS happens all the time.

Any of you (Fin excluded) are free to pounce me 2v1. Stalker Slayer t4 isn't going to get itself!

Even as someone who is relatively new to the whole PvP thing, I know that when you, or your respective side does something there is a totally justifiable reason for it, where as when someone from the other side does the same thing they are just big meanie heads who play dirty ;p. I'm not going to lie, of course getting jumped by a pack of wargs is frustrating, but pouncing without warning is the nature of a stealth class, and it is SOOO completely unfair since freeps don't even have a stealth class....oh wait......I guess that saying about there always being at least 2 sides to every story is pretty true after all. That being said when I gt jumped by a pack of wargs, I always secretly wish I could sell you to some other server, except for those puppies who have killed me so many times that they have earned a permanent spot in my heart, I would still keep them even if they make me sad face sometimes.

I hate puppies. And burgers.

Oh, and this whole "free infamy" thing? That's exactly what imo is wrong with this farcical substitute for PvP we have on Windy. So yay to all of you.

P.S.: Yes, for once, I'm too lazy to multi-quote... Enjoy it while you can!

Originally Posted by Dinarian

Even as someone who is relatively new to the whole PvP thing, I know that when you, or your respective side does something there is a totally justifiable reason for it, where as when someone from the other side does the same thing they are just big meanie heads who play dirty ;p. I'm not going to lie, of course getting jumped by a pack of wargs is frustrating, but pouncing without warning is the nature of a stealth class, and it is SOOO completely unfair since freeps don't even have a stealth class....oh wait......I guess that saying about there always being at least 2 sides to every story is pretty true after all. That being said when I gt jumped by a pack of wargs, I always secretly wish I could sell you to some other server, except for those puppies who have killed me so many times that they have earned a permanent spot in my heart, I would still keep them even if they make me sad face sometimes.

Is that why you and Disparia immediately switched to me when I pop up? <3 you both though.

Originally Posted by skippy454

Is that why you and Disparia immediately switched to me when I pop up? <3 you both though.

For me it is a mixture of love and fear (wait I don't think I am supposed to admit things like that, this is PvP after all, so <insert some trash talk here>), but you are definitely on the "Do not sell to another server" list!


Edit to add: As for Disparia, he knows that there are some classes with skills that make me pout, and so if he doesn't want to listen to me pout it is better for him to just try to get those folks out of the battle asap, so you shouldn't blame him he is just protecting himself from having to listen to pouty wife

Originally Posted by Dinarian

For me it is a mixture of love and fear (wait I don't think I am supposed to admit things like that, this is PvP after all, so <insert some trash talk here>), but you are definitely on the "Do not sell to another server" list!


Edit to add: As for Disparia, he knows that there are some classes with skills that make me pout, and so if he doesn't want to listen to me pout it is better for him to just try to get those folks out of the battle asap, so you shouldn't blame him he is just protecting himself from having to listen to pouty wife

Smart man. ^_^

Vil to your original post, I like both solo and grouped at different times. I get a kick out of running around in a big sloppy raid but I prefer a smaller group of skilled players though on rare occasion I've been in larger raids with many skilled players - when that happens though the freeps QQ and log off. Unfortunately not many freeps will play these days unless they can easy mode zerg. As soon as half a dozen or a dozen ranked players group up they go hide in npcs or go pick berries in Loth even when they out number 2 to 1. It's pretty sad what the devs have done to the moors

Originally Posted by GloriusSlobber

Vil to your original post, I like both solo and grouped at different times. I get a kick out of running around in a big sloppy raid but I prefer a smaller group of skilled players though on rare occasion I've been in larger raids with many skilled players - when that happens though the freeps QQ and log off. Unfortunately not many freeps will play these days unless they can easy mode zerg. As soon as half a dozen or a dozen ranked players group up they go hide in npcs or go pick berries in Loth even when they out number 2 to 1. It's pretty sad what the devs have done to the moors

This is why people transfer. Or quit.

Originally Posted by Arathain.o.

This is why people transfer. Or quit.

^this


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I like to solo, I'm even soloing the mystery of the vast night sky in all it's awesomeness.

Originally Posted by Untg99

I like to solo, I'm even soloing the mystery of the vast night sky in all it's awesomeness.

Darn OP Hobbit Warden tank things!

Originally Posted by jfindlay

Yes, I have never ever seen freeps engage in this kind of action. Its not like they hide around the corner on horseback and wait for a creep to engage then ride in. No sir never seen it....

You've never seen a case then, where the blame lays solely with a creep who falls for it as they've the means to see the freep (or creep) attempting to lure a creep (or freep) to put themself in the extended/exposed position.

That situation is entirely different to a freep (or creep) being jumped by an insurmountable number of wargs (or burgs) and I verbally slap you for making the comparison.

Originally Posted by RodhinKinning

Darn OP Hobbit Warden tank things!

I like to think so.

I'm going to finish my solo exploration of this wonderful universe in less than 15 hours of space time.

Originally Posted by Grusk

You've never seen a case then, where the blame lays solely with a creep who falls for it as they've the means to see the freep (or creep) attempting to lure a creep (or freep) to put themself in the extended/exposed position.

That situation is entirely different to a freep (or creep) being jumped by an insurmountable number of wargs (or burgs) and I verbally slap you for making the comparison.

but, but, but.....being inside OC hiding from you isnt exactly 'falling' for it!

<3

Originally Posted by Grusk

I verbally slap you for making the comparison.

I mentally shake hands with you for the use of 'verbal slapping.'
It made me lol.


p.s. <3 <3

Originally Posted by jfindlay

but, but, but.....being inside OC hiding from you isnt exactly 'falling' for it!

<3

Relevance to the point? :P

PS. it's hilarious to me how people look at the guardian class in our moors atm, people still run from me 1v1 o.O

Originally Posted by Grusk

PS. it's hilarious to me how people look at the guardian class in our moors atm, people still run from me 1v1 o.O

I can't imagine why.

I have a higher success rate with 1v1's on my guard (with which I'm horrid) than my main (with which I'd egotistically say I'm significantly less horrid) that I've been playing for a little over 3 years. Clearly guards are underpowered.

Originally Posted by Grusk

Relevance to the point? :P

PS. it's hilarious to me how people look at the guardian class in our moors atm, people still run from me 1v1 o.O

PS. it's hilarious to me how you look at the Windfola moors atm. Did, for any reason, you think that there was more than a handful of people over here that weren't terrible? Why would low ranks or Reavers want to fight a Guardian that is just going to run away if the heavens align for some cosmic coincidence that allows them to begin to win the majority of a fight against you?

Originally Posted by Grusk

Relevance to the point? :P

PS. it's hilarious to me how people look at the guardian class in our moors atm, people still run from me 1v1 o.O

The relevance was that you can charge OC and kill me if you so choose (if my cds are down) therefore baiting isnt really that necessary. I cannot do the same to you at EC.

I assume you are talking about "other people". I'm pretty sure I am one of the few wargs that stick around. Matter o'fact I have engaged you in pre-arranged 1v1s pre-update.

We all know one Guardian on this server that seems to think the little skill they have is what makes the class so OP and not the class itself. Just let the player stroke that massive ego and move on, because when they can fail to tank the Watcher on level over and over again they are the best!

I was talking about Shack's hobbit Guard, Aerdred thanks for showing over and over again the person you are. For you and yours to always say I'm too serious I would have to say you are by far worse then I could ever dream of.

And the coward comment from you is priceless, it never fails to amaze me on how you and many others with you always drop to personal attacks.

Originally Posted by RodhinKinning

I was talking about Shack's hobbit Guard, Aerdred thanks for showing over and over again the person you are. For you and yours to always say I'm too serious I would have to say you are by far worse then I could ever dream of.

And the coward comment from you is priceless, it never fails to amaze me on how you and many others with you always drop to personal attacks.

When have I ever said you were serious as a derogatory remark? I personally value reason and analysis, so the answer is: never.

And, as for your claiming you weren't implying myself, utter bs and kinda pointless (as well as utterly transparent) unless you're trying to hide from CM's, which would be more cowardice.

Originally Posted by Grusk

When have I ever said you were serious as a derogatory remark? I personally value reason and analysis, so the answer is: never.

And, as for your claiming you weren't implying myself, utter bs and kinda pointless (as well as utterly transparent) unless you're trying to hide from CM's, which would be more cowardice.

It was more talking out of both sides of my mouth like you love to do Aerdred. You do love the word coward, was you bullied in school or in life? Just asking because you really like to use it and you dont know me. When it matters I'm there standing while your running bud.

To be fair(ly egoistic), I use the word coward a lot when referring to my fellow players, and I mean it every time I say it. Aboutt 90% of Windy is easymoders and cowards, on either side, so...

And I think I'm justified in saying I stick around for fights, no matter what the odds, more than most. Do I believe this gives me the right to hate you all as players? Why yes, I think it does!

Do I think there is a need for any half-decent freep to "bait" any Windy creep (except the few above-average ones and of course the dime-a-dozen warg packs)? Sorry, but no. And yet I can think of a fair few ranked, presumably skilled freeps who play classes that can blow me up and yet decide they need to take away from their own renown gain by pulling me into NPC's. I'm not entirely sure whether they do this because they feel cheap when they get the maximum out of killing me, or they just don't realize the consequences of what they do. At any rate, I'm happy to say I'm "dumb" enough to oblige them!

But ummm, Aer, I'd love to hear your justifications for why you consider guards underpowered in the current scenario. 'Cause from where I'm sitting, I'd have to disagree. But then, I'm a nub, so I guess you should disregard what I say anyway.

Originally Posted by CirdalvalSilnuviel

But ummm, Aer, I'd love to hear your justifications for why you consider guards underpowered in the current scenario. 'Cause from where I'm sitting, I'd have to disagree. But then, I'm a nub, so I guess you should disregard what I say anyway.

I guess you haven't been around long enough to know that Aerdred has called Guardians underpowered many times over the years. He was right once. They didn't have Overpower once. Disregard it. I've only seen him call Guardian's OP when Dealarr made almost as much renown in 6 months as Aerdred's entire career.

Originally Posted by Arathain.o.

I guess you haven't been around long enough to know that Aerdred has called Guardians underpowered many times over the years. He was right once. They didn't have Overpower once. Disregard it. I've only seen him call Guardian's OP when Dealarr made almost as much renown in 6 months as Aerdred's entire career.

Actually, I have seen it a few times on older threads when forum-trawling on one of those long, slow days. But I couldn't judge the veracity of those claims because Idk what the game was like then, 'course. I wanna know why he feels guards are still gimp.

The way I see it, guards are incredibly survivable, and can still put out a fair bit of DPS. Granted, they're not at the level of hunters, champs or tactical classes in terms of whopping great hits, but then those are ridiculous anyway. I think, like I said in some other thread, he's making comparisons to the wrong classes. Logic only works if applied correctly, y'know.

I'd contrast guards with reavers and WL's, because those are the real heavy armored creep classes, amiright? And Flayer wargs, too, I think. Reavers that go for DPS are nowhere near as survivable as guards that I've seen, and those that try for survivability hit like wet socks. Then there's WL's, and I believe I need say nothing there. I know nothing about wargs, though, so no comment.

Which leads me to conclude that Aer either has interesting points I haven't considered or am unaware of, or he's talking out his posterior. Seeing as he's been playing since the dawn of (LotRO) time, I think it's the former.

Originally Posted by CirdalvalSilnuviel

Which leads me to conclude that Aer either has interesting points I haven't considered or am unaware of, or he's talking out his posterior. Seeing as he's been playing since the dawn of (LotRO) time, I think it's the former.

Originally Posted by Grusk

Here you go folks; earlier this year but I'll look for a more recent one to post soon

and stuff.

Well, whatever's happening, I think I just won this game.

Why does it have five stars precious?

You should very dirty, very dirty indeed Con!

Originally Posted by RodhinKinning

Why does it have five stars precious?

You should very dirty, very dirty indeed Con!

I do feel dirty.

Some things to say though,

Bottom line is - Shield wardens are ridiculously OP. In about about 20 hours of play on my warden, I have gone from 1.3 rating to 2.0, dying only 4 times. 3 of which were a streak and early on in the star-hugging career which were experiences to learn from. One from being zerged by about 13(+/-?) while at 1.999.
Mostly solo, but some notably significant help from kinnies and a few others along the way.

I'm not particularly impressed at how easy most of this was (and how well it even worked along the way) coming from a reckless playstyle. Any warden that traits shield competitively should hang their heads in shame. It's now the biggest joke the class has had to offer since it's conception. If they may be good players, traiting shield will block them from fulfilling their potential, such as any class that significantly carries you outside of what you can control.

Now, where's Orion when you want a global self-heal nerf freepside?
I do hope that moors freepside self heals will be reduced come RoR.

P.S. Sorry for the 4 times I had to combat log. <3

Originally Posted by Untg99

P.S. Sorry for the 4 times I had to combat log. <3

Chuckle



Love Aer's pink hair btw.

Originally Posted by Untg99

I do feel dirty.

Some things to say though,

Bottom line is - Shield wardens are ridiculously OP. In about about 20 hours of play on my warden, I have gone from 1.3 rating to 2.0, dying only 4 times. 3 of which were a streak and early on in the star-hugging career which were experiences to learn from. One from being zerged by about 13(+/-?) while at 1.999.
Mostly solo, but some notably significant help from kinnies and a few others along the way.

I'm not particularly impressed at how easy most of this was (and how well it even worked along the way) coming from a reckless playstyle. Any warden that traits shield competitively should hang their heads in shame. It's now the biggest joke the class has had to offer since it's conception. If they may be good players, traiting shield will block them from fulfilling their potential, such as any class that significantly carries you outside of what you can control.

Now, where's Orion when you want a global self-heal nerf freepside?
I do hope that moors freepside self heals will be reduced come RoR.

P.S. Sorry for the 4 times I had to combat log. <3

Don't flatter yourself. While shield wardens are a bit ridiculous, you didn't get 2k rating based on your class being broken, you got it because you are on Windfola.

Also, I'm gonna put a big ol' HAHAHAHAHAHAHA in here at your mention of RoR. You are seriously still going to play this game even after that trash is released?

Originally Posted by Arathain.o.

Don't flatter yourself. While shield wardens are a bit ridiculous, you didn't get 2k rating based on your class being broken, you got it because you are on Windfola.

Also, I'm gonna put a big ol' HAHAHAHAHAHAHA in here at your mention of RoR. You are seriously still going to play this game even after that trash is released?

It's true, windfola was a big part of it.
However, If I absolutely wanted it, I still would have gotten it on any server you could possibly name. I got the stars recklessly for the most part on windy simply because I could, however a bit more time and conservationism, and the same result would have been achieved having been on a larger server.
I mean, consider this, If Kio can get in the 1900 range, I'm sure I can get 2k. I also believe Fallarden (A DPS mouse-clicker soloist), also highest rank warden worldwide was close to reaching the 1900 mark DPS traited. The server was a big part in this example carrying me there.

But believe it or not, there is actually an absolute overwhelming amount of evidence suggesting how easy it is to not die on a warden this update.

And yes, probably. If I ever get around to actually buying the solo end-game, or the mounted combat (which won't really effect me in pvp anyway) I'm getting so pumped about!! (sarcasm not detected??) I'd still log in to squeeze the last inches of fun I still get out of playing. Assuming I have still have spare time during my spare time between study and GW2.

Originally Posted by Untg99

It's true, windfola was a big part of it.
However, If I absolutely wanted it, I still would have gotten it on any server you could possibly name. I got the stars recklessly for the most part on windy simply because I could, however a bit more time and conservationism, and the same result would have been achieved having been on a larger server.
I mean, consider this, If Kio can get in the 1900 range, I'm sure I can get 2k. I also believe Fallarden (A DPS mouse-clicker soloist), also highest rank warden worldwide was close to reaching the 1900 mark DPS traited. The server was a big part in this example carrying me there.

But believe it or not, there is actually an absolute overwhelming amount of evidence suggesting how easy it is to not die on a warden this update.

And yes, probably. If I ever get around to actually buying the solo end-game, or the mounted combat (which won't really effect me in pvp anyway) I'm getting so pumped about!! (sarcasm not detected??) I'd still log in to squeeze the last inches of fun I still get out of playing. Assuming I have still have spare time during my spare time between study and GW2.

Did you use store brands?

Originally Posted by Arathain.o.

Did you use store brands?

No, they aren't necessary.
Combat logging with DC/NS and a few EoB pulses easily does the trick if you are in dire need. Log back in 15min later with regen food/stealth quickslotted and you have successfully avoided death.

Originally Posted by Untg99

No, they aren't necessary.
Combat logging with DC/NS and a few EoB pulses easily does the trick if you are in dire need. Log back in 15min later with regen food/stealth quickslotted and you have successfully avoided death.

Thanks for explaining to me how to combat log. If only I had known how.

But for real real, not for play play, I was just curious whether or not you payed Turbine to give you 2k rating like the majority of starhuggers do in LotRO these days. Grats either way.

Now, I have an actual challenge for you. Be a part of my future world champion LoL team (unless you can't point and click. I know some people have the pointing down, it's just the clicking that confuses them).

Originally Posted by Arathain.o.

Thanks for explaining to me how to combat log. If only I had known how.

But for real real, not for play play, I was just curious whether or not you payed Turbine to give you 2k rating like the majority of starhuggers do in LotRO these days. Grats either way.

Now, I have an actual challenge for you. Be a part of my future world champion LoL team (unless you can't point and click. I know some people have the pointing down, it's just the clicking that confuses them).

Never hardcore played LoL, not even level 30 yet, Think I got halfway through 27. I can make some stupid mistakes sometimes when I do play, but I guess with more time spent I can hone my newb skills.

Just let me know your username and I'll hit you up with a friend request, so you can trial me or whatever sometime

They really need to just remove rating from the game all together. It would make for better action.