Thread: As a creep or freep or both, do you like to group or raid?

Curious on other people's answers. This came up in another thread and wanted to hear what everyone else thinks.

Personally, I like to solo, but I don't mind grouping with other creeps that I know and trust. But I fear, sometimes, that my playstyle is radically different from other people. I'm cautious and reckless at the same time, but I usually know when to bail out. And in a group, it makes me feel bad when they die and all I can do is just run off or disappear. Often, I feel obligated to die with them like I did yesterday with Murhaaja and Puff.

As far as raids are concerned, I tend to avoid them. I prefer solo or small group combat than raid vs raid situations. And my role as a warg in a raid is usually different than what my playstyle is.

I'm a greenie, but I like creeping more so then freeping, because the creepside is nicer,,, and I like to run solo for most part, or in a small group,,, Raids are ok,,, have to do them to get quests complete,,, but for most part i'm a solo type of person
Windfola ROCKS

Vil only joins my raids.

Originally Posted by RodhinKinning

Vil only joins my raids.

nuh uh ;-)

I would join Wrok and Felas raids but alas they are no more

Small group fights ( 3-6 ) are my favorites though duoing with a warg is a blast as a well.

As to soloing until I can consistently beat Gleckiofoot ( who is still kicking my ### ) it is something I only do with great trepidation!

i mainly solo,

but sometimes i group with kinnies freepside, and tribies creepside ... unless a fair mind decides to lead ...

Is all of the above an option? I play by myself sometimes, I duo a lot because my husband also plays, I group up in smaller groups, and in big groups sometimes. It just sort of depends on my mood and what is happening.

When I am by myself, or duo, I think there is a lot more freedom to scout around and do your own thing where as if you are in a group then it is good manners to be a good directions follower and to be where you are supposed to be, and so there is a lack of independence when in a group. On the other hand it is much easier for me to heal folks if their green bars are all on my screen, and getting to know people better is easier in a group because of voice chat.

Really I just like to play. If both sides can have a rez, and there are even enough numbers to where both sides are getting kills and neither side is being constantly over run, then I am a happy minnie, because that is my ideal situation. Although seriously I play for fun and am pretty easy going about everything if the map is red and we rez at GV, I'm not going to pout about it or anything. And ya'll know I will play even if the going gets rough for freeps, I have been over run so many times I have probably fed some of ya'll whole ranks myself. So while the above is my ideal I am still happy to play even if things aren't ideal.

Originally Posted by tgk8074

nuh uh ;-)

Fels drinking raids are da best!!!

i love raiding. soloing is no fun for me because creeps seem to be too strong and i cant kill them. especially reavers. reavers are the strongest class i think especially when they get their stances.

Originally Posted by Arathain.o.

i love raiding. soloing is no fun for me because creeps seem to be too strong and i cant kill them. especially reavers. reavers are the strongest class i think especially when they get their stances.

Omg right. RKs need a buff they are so underpowered like Defilers are SO OP they have crazy DPS, Not to mention the 9k Black Speech crits WLs always get on me.

On creep-side, small groups. The only freeps I can solo on a rank 5 spider would be ones who have no idea how to play their class.

I like a fair fight, so whatever it takes to take down the enemy just barely :P

Raid on raid is meh.
I prefer 3 freep on around 6 creeps.

Alas, though, most people are out strictly for the renown/infamy/rank. The ones that care about PvP do a lot of 1v1's/1v2s and like small grouping. So you're likely to find people "grouped". I put it in quotations because it's needed. A lot of people will assume people are grouped, which they are, they are just not in a fellowship. They are just around the same area on the map..."grouped".

I know I don't care for the PvP. Only cause I'm terrible at it and the competition brings negativity and anger. Which is why there is so much hate when it comes to the moors, or football, or any of those thing. I'd rather just be an independent guy out having fun :]

but I need my tact mit r4-r6 ring bonus's for orthanc, so I'll group with whoever, whenever on my newly lvl'd alts! :P
Just as long as it's a fair fight. I still care enough that I refuse to rez camp or continue on a very one sided fight.

So, smaller groups if you want good PvP. Raid on raid if you just want your rank.

Originally Posted by Shredex

So, smaller groups if you want good PvP. Raid on raid if you just want your rank.

While I understand this is just your opinion, this is completely incorrect.

Originally Posted by MaroonDragoon

While I understand this is just your opinion, this is completely incorrect.

Quit defending the Smerg.

Can we please focus on the most important part of Shredex's post. My two cents on that portion is that the Niners are taking home the Lombardi Trophy this year!

Originally Posted by TylerM95

Omg right. RKs need a buff they are so underpowered like Defilers are SO OP they have crazy DPS, Not to mention the 9k Black Speech crits WLs always get on me.

Im officially pissed off at your warg lol.
-Pit

I like solo'ing, mainly because I don't have to listen to some nub tell me I'm "suicidal" or don't play "smart", and that I "feed" easymoders. That said, I'm more than happy to group with similarly reckless peeps (Glek, Cons, Murh, Chief, Blind, Fin, Naeg etc. come to mind), simply because I love 'em.

If there's need for a c'raid (or I'm simply too frustrated with the "action" on Windy), I'll gladly join one. I'm also up, albeit grudgingly, for leading if no-one else will.

But yeah, solo and small group are where it's at: a defiler, a WL, a warg/reaver or two, and maybe another BA, and voila! Fun.

Originally Posted by CirdalvalSilnuviel

I like solo'ing, mainly because I don't have to listen to some nub tell me I'm "suicidal" or don't play "smart", and that I "feed" easymoders. That said, I'm more than happy to group with similarly reckless peeps (Glek, Cons, Murh, Chief, Blind, Fin, Naeg etc. come to mind), simply because I love 'em.

If there's need for a c'raid (or I'm simply too frustrated with the "action" on Windy), I'll gladly join one. I'm also up, albeit grudgingly, for leading if no-one else will.

But yeah, solo and small group are where it's at: a defiler, a WL, a warg/reaver or two, and maybe another BA, and voila! Fun.

No <3 for Vil? I see how it is, Shap.

Ah doodoo my post was removed. lol
Too lazy to re-type


EDIT: Ok, I'm gonna try to re-type what I said...and just not add the video that I think got my post deleted...

Originally Posted by MaroonDragoon

While I understand this is just your opinion, this is completely incorrect.

Well, I guess it all depends on what makes PvP "Good".
Let's separate "good" PvP into 3 groups:

1 = Challenge
2 = Happiness
3 = Challenge/Happiness

-Some people believe the challenge is what makes good PvP
-Some people believe when you're happy, then it must be good PvP! But why are you happy? Because you are winning! And winning could mean you're winning a fight and/or just banking tons of renown/infamy! AkA Raid on Raid
-Some people believe a challenge that ends in happiness makes for good PvP. And you're happy cause you're winning


I'm a 3. As I stated before I like to just barely win. Meaning it was a challenge with a victorious end. I usually find this with small groups.
I do still enjoy it if I lose, though. As long as it was a challenge!(not 10 dps blowing up one target on target assist...)

All and all it's just a...nother brick in the wall



Kittens!

Originally Posted by skippy454

No <3 for Vil?

Maybe if you stopped shuffling... You know I love me some Vilsauce.

And don't take it too hard (giggity, incidentally), I forgot Puff, too! And Webbie. And Ryucarp. Bah!

Originally Posted by Shredex

All and all it's just a...nother brick in the wall

./Favorite_songs_love

Originally Posted by Shredex

Kittens!

Quite simply: Aaaah! Cute!

I mean... Rawr! Shaparo kill!

Originally Posted by CirdalvalSilnuviel

I like solo'ing, mainly because I don't have to listen to some nub tell me I'm "suicidal" or don't play "smart", and that I "feed" easymoders. That said, I'm more than happy to group with similarly reckless peeps (Glek, Cons, Murh, Chief, Blind, Fin, Naeg etc. come to mind), simply because I love 'em.

Aww! I'm in another list! Yay! lol <3 your crazy guts too

Originally Posted by RodhinKinning

Vil only joins my raids.

Originally Posted by tgk8074

nuh uh ;-)

Shut up and get back on Windfaila, noobs. I'll join your raids, and I'll only QQ a teensy-weensy bit, I promise!

Originally Posted by Arathain.o.

Quit defending the Smerg.

Is that like a Smurf zerg? James Cameron-style?

Originally Posted by CirdalvalSilnuviel

Is that like a Smurf zerg? James Cameron-style?

Since Australians are technically Smurfs, yes. It is a Smurf Zerg.

EDIT: Apparently my first post in this thread made someone mad. I'm going to assume it was someone in Viaticus.

Originally Posted by Goddess

Aww! I'm in another list! Yay! lol <3 your crazy guts too

If it makes you feel better Glek, you're on my list!

Originally Posted by Shredex

-Some people believe the challenge is what makes good PvP
-Some people believe when you're happy, then it must be good PvP! But why are you happy? Because you are winning! And winning could mean you're winning a fight and/or just banking tons of renown/infamy! AkA Raid on Raid
-Some people believe a challenge that ends in happiness makes for good PvP. And you're happy cause you're winning

Not really sure what you're getting at here in terms of grouping vs. soloing.

Neither of these necessarily entails more of a challenge or infamy/renown intakes than the other. Plenty of people on this server are fantastic examples of the lack of challenge required to 'solo' or small group and the potential such a playstyle has for huge point earnings (the majority of consistent high point earners across the servers are solo'ers).

Getting involved in raid v. raid action can indeed be challenging and whether or not it is hinges on the same reasons behind soloing; ie engaging greater numbers or aiming to zerg fewer/weaker opponents, hugging NPCs, stacking/player easymode classes etc. If you try leading a pug raid against organised and intelligent opponents I would honestly be surprised if you still thought it was easymode unless you lean on numbers as a crutch like most raid leaders.

Silly generalisations like solo'ing/small grouping requires skill and raiding up is only a route to earning points and ruining some grand idea of 'PvP' are just that; silly.

Originally Posted by Arathain.o.

EDIT: Apparently my first post in this thread made someone mad. I'm going to assume it was someone in Viaticus.

Clearly it was me.

On my Warg, I like small groups vs. small groups.

On my Hunter, I like raid on raid b/c I am still a newbie in the 'moors and don't have my bearings quite yet when it comes to the maps and how to approach the different creeps classes. I pretty much know 3 things when it comes to creeps: 1. BA's have a fancy skill that spams "Evade Evade Evade" above their head, 2. Wargs never attack solo, and 3. Creeps are very very underpowered compared to freeps (which before I knew this I got much pleasure 3-5 shotting 10k wargs, but after playing one, I have more respect/sympathy for them and other creeps)

Originally Posted by SCHawks73

On my Warg, I like small groups vs. small groups.

On my Hunter, I like raid on raid b/c I am still a newbie in the 'moors and don't have my bearings quite yet when it comes to the maps and how to approach the different creeps classes. I pretty much know 3 things when it comes to creeps: 1. BA's have a fancy skill that spams "Evade Evade Evade" above their head, 2. Wargs never attack solo, and 3. Creeps are very very underpowered compared to freeps (which before I knew this I got much pleasure 3-5 shotting 10k wargs, but after playing one, I have more respect/sympathy for them and other creeps)

Correction.... Sometimes wargs do attack solo. ( and if I catch you solo you won't 3-5 shot me because you'll get a free of charge fast travel to the nearest Rez.).

Originally Posted by JDCass

Clearly it was me.

Clearly.

Originally Posted by SCHawks73

1. BA's have a fancy skill that spams "Evade Evade Evade" above their head

If a BA above rank 8 pops it against you when you're both solo, unless you've had the luxury of initiating the fight from stealth, feel free to rant and rave and shout "EASYMODE!" to the high heavens. It's the lamest thing any creep can do, trust me.

Originally Posted by SCHawks73

2. Wargs never attack solo

Not always true, but then Fin already answered that. But yes, not enough wargs on Windy seem to have grasped the fact that theirs is the only properly soloable creep class right now, hence the tendency to run in proper groups or informal "solo zerg" packs. Oh, and then there's the fact that even if they really are running solo and engage you expecting no backup, the sheer overabundance of wargs on Windy will mean you'll be destroyed anyway. So, uh... Yeah.

Originally Posted by SCHawks73

Creeps are very very underpowered compared to freeps (which before I knew this I got much pleasure 3-5 shotting 10k wargs, but after playing one, I have more respect/sympathy for them and other creeps)

Only in terms of DPS. And the ability to simultaneously heal and put out decent damage. And, oh, CC. That's all.

Originally Posted by jfindlay

( and if I catch you solo you won't 3-5 shot me because you'll get a free of charge fast travel to the nearest Rez.).

No epeen here, no sir. <3

Windfola is fun, it has plenty of challenges.

One being leading a freep raid, another being playing by yourself while freeps hide in npc's.

Then there's creepside, the challenge of having to fight freeps in their own npc's day in day out being zerged relentlessly by freeps who can't kill keep tyrants in less than 10 seconds.


Windfola is so much fun guys.

Originally Posted by Untg99

another being playing by yourself while freeps hide in npc's.

Playing by yourself isn't all that hard (wow, I'm good at this...). Trust me, I know all about it.

We're not still talking about the game, are we?

Originally Posted by jfindlay

Correction.... Sometimes wargs do attack solo. ( and if I catch you solo you won't 3-5 shot me because you'll get a free of charge fast travel to the nearest Rez.).

Sorry, I should have clarified. When I am doing a group on group fight and I am not the one being attacked, and just standing there firing off rockets, that's where the 3-5 shot comment came in. With my (lack of) skill in the moors and the sheer lack of survivability of the class, (not discounting Fin or any good warg out there), I will absolutely LOSE 9/10 fights 1v1.

You'd think being a kinnie of the Depstar I would be out there more on the Hunter trying to watch him and learn, but PvP has never been something that excited me.

Originally Posted by CirdalvalSilnuviel

If a BA above rank 8 pops it against you when you're both solo, unless you've had the luxury of initiating the fight from stealth, feel free to rant and rave and shout "EASYMODE!" to the high heavens. It's the lamest thing any creep can do, trust me.

Meh, I'm not much for drama or QQ, there is way too much of that anyways, plus I'm not good at it lol

Originally Posted by CirdalvalSilnuviel

Not always true, but then Fin already answered that. But yes, not enough wargs on Windy seem to have grasped the fact that theirs is the only properly soloable creep class right now, hence the tendency to run in proper groups or informal "solo zerg" packs. Oh, and then there's the fact that even if they really are running solo and engage you expecting no backup, the sheer overabundance of wargs on Windy will mean you'll be destroyed anyway. So, uh... Yeah.

Yes, there are some of the higher ranked/more experienced wargs out there that like running around solo and pouncing on unexpected freeps for a nice 1v1 battle, which is exactly what their class is designed to do AFAIK. But, in my (limited) experience in the moors, when I get pounced by a warg, there is at least one not too far behind waiting to chomp on some fresh elf meat.

Originally Posted by CirdalvalSilnuviel

Only in terms of DPS. And the ability to simultaneously heal and put out decent damage. And, oh, CC. That's all.

Ahh gotcha. Guess they aren't as bad off as I thought

Originally Posted by Untg99

Windfola is fun, it has plenty of challenges.

One being leading a freep raid, another being playing by yourself while freeps hide in npc's.

Then there's creepside, the challenge of having to fight freeps in their own npc's day in day out being zerged relentlessly by freeps who can't kill keep tyrants in less than 10 seconds.


Windfola is so much fun guys.

Being the bravest and most fearsome PvP'er in gaming history, I will tell you that the joke is on you for playing over here, or playing this game at all for that matter. All that is good has gone.

Originally Posted by Arathain.o.

All that is good has gone.

I do hope you didn't mean yourself! ./Slap

Nah, you wouldn't; modesty forbids it, no?

Originally Posted by CirdalvalSilnuviel

I do hope you didn't mean yourself! ./Slap

Nah, you wouldn't; modesty forbids it, no?

Something like that.

Originally Posted by Grusk

If it makes you feel better Glek, you're on my list!

;> Now.. if only I knew the title of that list lol. CrapList? KillList?
Yeaaaah.. not sure i feel better ; D! Maybe a little bit! Thanks Aer! <3 <3 I know you tried haha

Originally Posted by Goddess

;> Now.. if only I knew the title of that list lol. CrapList? KillList?
Yeaaaah.. not sure i feel better ; D! Maybe a little bit! Thanks Aer! <3 <3 I know you tried haha

Why you are on the bestest list of course!

I think we should have an all spider raid and all the hatchlings be named Glek-something and then Glekify some freeps!

Originally Posted by SCHawks73

But, in my (limited) experience in the moors, when I get pounced by a warg, there is at least one not too far behind waiting to chomp on some fresh elf meat.

So I know that wargs are much hated in the moors, and I know that there is a lot of abuse, but we don't all like to do this. I just wanted to point out that we are a stealth class. I can't always see the other wargs around me. So maybe I pounce a guy looking for a good 1v1 and some nice infamy, but oops, there was another warg around me thinking the same thing. It is sometimes as annoying for us as it is for you guys. I will happily fight 1v1 or even 2v1 (depending on the freeps). But sometimes I'll pounce someone and then out of nowhere comes another warg. There are a lot of wargs, but we aren't all intending to abuse the system. I run solo most of the time, or if I am a group it is not usually with wargs. So, yes, this does happen a lot, but I hope that you know that at least some of us don't do it on purpose. I never run in warg packs, so if I ever kill you with a buddy, know that it is unintentional.

And yet, the second, third, fourth (et al) will continue to jump in regardless.

Originally Posted by Grusk

And yet, the second, third, fourth (et al) will continue to jump in regardless.

At that point, its just free infamy. If you see someone getting jumped before you could start it, might as well get some free infamy while you can and even maybe the KB.

But its the same from the other side.