Thread: Give more attention to PvMP!

I played Lord of the Rings for five years, and yes i have had alot of fun in places! But i actually feel very saddened that a member of the community has had to resort to creating a petition on an external site in hope that Turbine may listen to the cries that are apparent all over the forums and in the game.

Warner Brothers & Turbine inc: Give more attention to PvMP in the video game Lord of the Rings Online

The URL is here.

*edit / found toolbox link is shorter now!

Please share this with as many people you can to show Turbine and Warner Brothers how much we really care about PvMP.

All the best

Grugnug

--update--

Wow, im actually really pleased the reception this has received so far given how quiet pvmp forums are now. If anyone wants to promote the link to the petition itself

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petition...e-rings-online

I may not be able to give alot of time to this as is needed to get the number of people signing, to be honest i shouldn't need to put any time into it ... alas. But i think 100 is nice to aim for, then take it from there.

Would be amazing if this went viral.. *coughs* facebooks *coughs* twitters *coughs* MoTD *coughs* OOC .

Signed. Though I doubt it will achieve anything meaningful.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Signed. Though I doubt it will achieve anything meaningful.

Thank-you, i guess you are right, i know on the EU forums alot of people signed one on a forum thread.. the thinking behind this one being external it may spark the interest of people who are pulling the strings. As i say im really sad it had to come to something like this, but i popped back in after a month of Real life and there is nothing.. apart from that small bit in the QnA!

Hats off to you. There are multiple people on the Monster Play forums that just complain about wanting changes without really taking action, but you are taking action. (But in their defence, they shouldn't have to take action to get some updates to a game they pay for.)
/Signed

Originally Posted by angrolas

Hats off to you. There are multiple people on the Monster Play forums that just complain about wanting changes without really taking action, but you are taking action. (But in their defence, they shouldn't have to take action to get some updates to a game they pay for.)
/Signed

Yes i agree angrolas, i can understand why so many people are angry.. ive been one of them! But where i couldn't devote as much time to LOTRO due to real life, i played some none mmo's.. and it reminded me the core of a game.. having fun, i come back to pvmp forums and its very sad . People have even given up arguing freep v creep thing, seems as though alot have got tired i log back into my rank 11 warleader and get steamrolled and all it is is negativity, from both sides.. something is wrong!

I looked to see if turbine were addressing it and it didnt appear that they were, and i know in the past not much was taken on board as regards to pvmp... so there is spawned!

This is a really good try, and I applaude you for trying, but the guys at Turbine and WB will just laugh when they see this.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

This is a really good try, and I applaude you for trying, but the guys at Turbine and WB will just laugh when they see this.

Tbh I doubt the guys at Turbine will laugh when they see it as they demonstrate only indifference towards PVMP. All they are likely to show is total apathy.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Tbh I doubt the guys at Turbine will laugh when they see it as they demonstrate only indifference towards PVMP. All they are likely to show is total apathy.

At the end of the day, that is Turbines choice. I hope they do neither and actually realise the amount of people who have been very annoyed at the way they have dealt with PvMP and really make inroads to sort that out. For me though i have a few days off and i am half debating whether to really front this campaign. The problem is that they have dealt with PvMPs so disrespectfully, intentional or not & many have lost energy. Logged onto creep side and people just seemed to accept how bad it was or just turned to PvE.

You could come in this forum at one point and see a real energy, now nothing, people seem to have given up complaining whether constructively or not, which is a shame because Turbine wont be able to guage how things are going.

I love Lord of the Rings, and i love LOTRO, i dont know though, after playing numerous other games as i mentioned before i think reminded me of what a game should be about... fun, and fun you shouldnt have to go out of your way to make.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Signed. Though I doubt it will achieve anything meaningful.

word for word ... but secretly hopes for something

We can always hope.

To be completely honest I don't think I will ever completely lose hope of the pvp in this game...I love it too much to just let it go, as I am sure is the case for a handful of other people. As upset as I am at Turbine for their neglegence of PvMP, I can't just completely give up on it. Kind of like how I believe everyone has a good side to them, I still have faith in Turbine to do the right thing (regardless of if it is too late for lots of people).

Well, have not posted much of the forums in the past. But it has gotten so bad that I see only two choices - either petition for change or leave. Did not think it would come to this. Love the game but am getting so bored with the endless grind. Need something to spice it up again and PvP seems to hold the key to the future of this game. PvP is what keeps me here between the releases of new content. Otherwise when they release new content, I would play for a few weeks, then stop logging in until the next content is released. Just keep repeating this cycle and one day I wont be bothered to log in again. This seems to have happened to so many of my friends. They stop coming back.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Signed. Though I doubt it will achieve anything meaningful.

agreed......

Turbine are acutely aware of how unhappy we are at about this game's PVMP. They read these forums... gotten enough infractions on the PVMP section to tell you they are watching.

They simply choose to do nothing, or tell us nothing. But when they do do something, they mess it up.

Signed.....

Originally Posted by ToastyGStar

I played Lord of the Rings for five years, and yes i have had alot of fun in places! But i actually feel very saddened that a member of the community has had to resort to creating a petition on an external site in hope that Turbine may listen to the cries that are apparent all over the forums and in the game.

Warner Brothers & Turbine inc: Give more attention to PvMP in the video game Lord of the Rings Online

The URL is here.

*edit / found toolbox link is shorter now!

Please share this with as many people you can to show Turbine and Warner Brothers how much we really care about PvMP.

All the best

Grugnug

--update--

Wow, im actually really pleased the reception this has received so far given how quiet pvmp forums are now. If anyone wants to promote the link to the petition itself

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petition...e-rings-online

I may not be able to give alot of time to this as is needed to get the number of people signing, to be honest i shouldn't need to put any time into it ... alas. But i think 100 is nice to aim for, then take it from there.

Would be amazing if this went viral.. *coughs* facebooks *coughs* twitters *coughs* MoTD *coughs* OOC .

Great effort guys! I've signed this petition

After 7 days 48 people singed this ... This is a joke! All people are crying about the balancing and nobody cares if someone starts a petition. This proves Turbine that they don't need to address any attention to the moors, gj community.

Originally Posted by Godmog

After 7 days 48 people singed this ... This is a joke! All people are crying about the balancing and nobody cares if someone starts a petition. This proves Turbine that they don't need to address any attention to the moors, gj community.

It would be nice if we had a few more yes and it has actually reached the 50 mark. You have to remember the monster play forums do not get alot of visits from the community in comparisons with other parts. I sent in an email asking if there was anyway that eluded to a if a pvmper could participate and give feedback in their alpha program, i also set out and explained all the reasoning for the petition, sent a week ago and no response as yet.

Would appreciate if all who have signed it could share it via social media & in-game means. The mere fact 50 people feel similar so much they have signed an external petition is warning enough for me, it should never have to get to that stage.

And Godmog, all these people crying, i havent seen any dev/turbine rep response to any of them apart from the one in Q&A. It would of been nice if we had thousands of signatures, but they take work & effort, its not a case of simply everyone signing it. People need to put in work to promote it and get people to sign it.

I hope i made it clear that i am unable to do promotion and such, i simply do not have the time & unfortunately dont have much intention on continuing my playing of lotro. Infact the fact it has reached 50 with just a forum post is extremely positive for me. I have seen petitions on-line that have been very popular issues, had media promotion, but with less signatures than this one.

There have been two petitions before which had numerous responses on the forum post however nothing was done about them to my knowledge, it is such a shame because i love lotr and the only thing keeping me popping back now and again is my great kinnies (tribies have all left hehe).

I would still encourage anyone who is reading this to head over to the link and sign it if you are passionate about pvmp, because you never know, Turbine may address the issue.. as someone said, we can hope.

All the best

Grugnug

Originally Posted by Godmog

After 7 days 48 people singed this ... This is a joke! All people are crying about the balancing and nobody cares if someone starts a petition. This proves Turbine that they don't need to address any attention to the moors, gj community.

Probably because a lot of the vet pvmpers moved on after being neglected for 5+ years.

Originally Posted by Godmog

After 7 days 48 people singed this ... This is a joke! All people are crying about the balancing and nobody cares if someone starts a petition. This proves Turbine that they don't need to address any attention to the moors, gj community.

Only a small number of PVMP'ers actually use the forums. An even smaller number use these sections of the forums.

63 signatures now, given the state of pvmp forums, and the fact the thread has been lower down for a while, that is impressive.

I am very disappointed at the complete lack of communication between Turbine and the PvMP community, i have sent emails which have appeared to have fallen on deaf ears, you would of thought the fact 63 people have felt so strongly they have set up a external petition to try and get them to sort things out would warrant something.

I can appreciate they have alot to do with RoR but they waste no time in putting out the things they are doing there. Hello Turbine, we are here we play the game just like everyone else, they cannot deny that pvmp in this game is unbalanced & laggy, they completely avoid the issue. Just look at the forums, the pvmp forums.. people have given up complaining about actually quite important issues to address the balance.

People keep saying "oh, well your not suggesting anything productive" "all you do is moan", both sides are getting fed up, yea it isnt the main focus of the game, its still there. There is a hole in the cell in solitary confinement so prisoners can escape, because it isnt the main focus of the prison does that mean it is not fixed?

I check my server forums and people are trying really hard to put fun into the moors when it simply isnt, its not just one person, numerous people are complaining, and because they dare suggest that another game may be a better alternative to the pvmp you ban them from the forums.

Im sorry to rant like that but this is Lord of the Rings.. It has got to the point where people just accept that the pvmp is rubbish, i saw Turbines advert for RoR it looked fantastic, but i dont want to play it because the fun has been sucked out as you cannot sort out pvmp.

I feel sorry for Kelsen tbh, he has had a rough time through all this, he has alot to fight to get this balanced, and quite frankly imo needs alot more support in fixing pvmp.. and money issues? Never knew warner bros where having much trouble, seem to be doing alright given the scale of music videos they block in my country.

It was inevitable that it would result in me ranting, many times the community have tried to draw attention to the issues and it appears to have fallen onto deaf ears. Would love to be playing lotro right now, but instead im on the facebooks and listening to music, whats the point of playing a game where the character i have invested the best part of five years on cannot even stand a chance against someone who has level up a minstrel in 3 weeks.,

38 people need to sign that.

Originally Posted by Notaforumguy007

38 people need to sign that.

Yep, no option to increase that at present, so i can only presume once we hit 100 a new target will be unlocked, we will see.

I'm willing to bet that a good 40% of the people who sign your petition with not know the amount of time turbine has put into PvP thus far because all the new players see is BS about being ignored for the past 5 years.


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I tried linking *just* the PvP specific changes from release notes not including freep class specific ones (hunter group DF/normal DF and such) or even changes that clearly had no other reason to be changed than PvP.


PvP gets more attention than all but 2 things in this game that is questing and instances (/raids). Honestly I'm not even sure it gets less time than instances anymore as the since OD they have all been overly buggy, unoriginal, and just plain bad in every case. Questing is required in MMOs so that's been where turbine has spent their time but even there it isn't getting the attention it needs.


Turbine is spending less time on EVERYTHING because they were short sighted and the game is becoming less and less profitable. They are probably working on a new game already.


And Devs don't use PvP (or otherwise) forums because of the pure &&&&&&ation most people spew out at them. Between the pure hate, the inability to see causal effect, and the assumption that anything said is a promise no matter what, I don't blame them one bit.

Originally Posted by n38

I'm willing to bet that a good 40% of the people who sign your petition with not know the amount of time turbine has put into PvP thus far because all the new players see is BS about being ignored for the past 5 years.


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I tried linking *just* the PvP specific changes from release notes not including freep class specific ones (hunter group DF/normal DF and such) or even changes that clearly had no other reason to be changed than PvP.


PvP gets more attention than all but 2 things in this game that is questing and instances (/raids). Honestly I'm not even sure it gets less time than instances anymore as the since OD they have all been overly buggy, unoriginal, and just plain bad in every case. Questing is required in MMOs so that's been where turbine has spent their time but even there it isn't getting the attention it needs.


Turbine is spending less time on EVERYTHING because they were short sighted and the game is becoming less and less profitable. They are probably working on a new game already.


And Devs don't use PvP (or otherwise) forums because of the pure &&&&&&ation most people spew out at them. Between the pure hate, the inability to see causal effect, and the assumption that anything said is a promise no matter what, I don't blame them one bit.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Are you trying to explain what happened to you to make you so inept in the Moors? I figured you were dropped as an infant but I suppose a series of good hits to your head would do it as well.

If you all really want this to get any attention, then post this petition to your kin websites and all your social media. Advertise the petition in game. Go all out or don't do it. Based on how many play the game you will likely need 1000+ signatures to garner any attention.

/signed

Originally Posted by n38

PvP gets more attention than all but 2 things in this game that is questing and instances (/raids). Honestly I'm not even sure it gets less time than instances anymore as the since OD they have all been overly buggy, unoriginal, and just plain bad in every case. Questing is required in MMOs so that's been where turbine has spent their time but even there it isn't getting the attention it needs.

The game has been out over 5 years and there is still just one tired PvMP zone to play in. How many new quests and instances have been added in that time?

Originally Posted by Tyveil

The game has been out over 5 years and there is still just one tired PvMP zone to play in. How many new quests and instances have been added in that time?

That matters because?

And BTW they tried adding a new area to PvP in, and it worked for less than a month and after that point became used for nothing more than farming stones. The amount of time it takes to plan out and create a new map is not worth it, people will become disinterested within hours of seeing it and people will be asking for another new map within a few weeks of that point.

So they can't slowly expand the current moors because people will continue to run the easiest route (~300m around TA and the few straight paths to that area). And a full revamp of the map does absolutely nothing but take up time and resources. If you think a new map will bring in subscriptions your fooling yourself with the way FtP works, and if you think older players that left the game will suddenly be entranced by this games PvP because they are fighting next to a different rock in taller grass you're yet again fooling yourself.




You will NEVER find a game that can keep up with players getting bored with scenery. And BTW before you go off about other games adding new PvP maps (few and far between) they are only added with a new game type with extremely few exceptions. This game doesn't have their PvP "minigames" split up between capture the flag and others, OPs and keeps are just as fun (...) here as they are when you're running a flag or capturing a control point in any other game.

n38 you sound extremely ignorant to the state of pvmp in lotro. Have you ever even played it? LOTRO pvmp needs a new zone because the current zone is seriously lacking any strategic tactical elements. There are about 20 zones in LOTRO pve that would make better pvmp zones.

Originally Posted by Tyveil

n38 you sound extremely ignorant to the state of pvmp in lotro. Have you ever even played it?

Normally I'd say something like I could not care less about what you think, and that everything posted is public and can be used to make your decision as to whether or not I play this game. But you have your sig filled out which along with your posts lead me to get a better understanding of you, though only anecdotal. And I can see that of the characters you decided to name and rank you have only 2 characters that can be seen as PvPed on, and they combined have *MAYBE* 3 days ./played worth of rank for a relatively casual player. Which is why I choose to retain my integrity because as you can see signatures can be used to make assumptions or to belittle an idea based on the choices made with said signature.

That's what I'd normally say, but this time...

You caught me!!! I've never so much as installed this game on to my computer. Oh, the shame I feel, deceiving all of you like this.

Originally Posted by Tyveil

LOTRO pvmp needs a new zone because the current zone is seriously lacking any strategic tactical elements.

Go grab your "Big book o' strategy" real quick and tell me what exactly happens to be "lacking".

Originally Posted by Tyveil

There are about 20 zones in LOTRO pve that would make better pvmp zones.

I'm not even going to ask for 5 of these zones, I'll do you a favour and ask you to give me just 3 of your 20 zones and the reasons they are better (I sure hope they are evenly better and not just one or 2 "strategic tactical elements" improvements). With the possible exception of ND the Moors has much better "strategic tactical elements" than any other zone in the game.

This is a great idea! PVMP is in need of lots (and I mean lots!) of love from turbine/WB.

I would strongly recommend posting this in the General Forums as I'm sure most people are unaware this petition even exists (I only just found out myself!)

/signed

Originally Posted by n38

Are you trying to explain what happened to you to make you so inept in the Moors? I figured you were dropped as an infant but I suppose a series of good hits to your head would do it as well.

Clearly slapping you in the face isn't enough to knock sense into you.

Originally Posted by Brandybardard

This is a great idea! PVMP is in need of lots (and I mean lots!) of love from turbine/WB.

I would strongly recommend posting this in the General Forums as I'm sure most people are unaware this petition even exists (I only just found out myself!)

/signed

I will take up your suggestion & post this in the general forums although i am not sure how long it will last. The petition has 84 signatures, a goal of 2000. Any help in reaching that goal is obviously much appriciated

I just wasted 20s of my life :/

/signed anyway

Originally Posted by ToastyGStar

I will take up your suggestion & post this in the general forums although i am not sure how long it will last. The petition has 84 signatures, a goal of 2000. Any help in reaching that goal is obviously much appriciated

/signed, although everyone knows that Turbine won't do &&&& for pvmp, I mean come on, I've been here for 5 years now and I've seen no demonstration of them trying to balance let alone do much to pvmp, we asked for a new map? Nah you can have DoF (later to be taken away/rendered useless). You want a balanced realm? Here have a defiler who's also under powered and while we're at it we'll add audacity to make it worse, oh and here's some 7k crits for you too along with a class that doesn't go along with the lore just to spite you. I mean, look at all the useless junk they've done, this might as well be just a pve game at the moment.

Originally Posted by Ciosh

/signed, although everyone knows that Turbine won't do &&&& for pvmp, I mean come on, I've been here for 5 years now and I've seen no demonstration of them trying to balance let alone do much to pvmp, we asked for a new map? Nah you can have DoF (later to be taken away/rendered useless). You want a balanced realm? Here have a defiler who's also under powered and while we're at it we'll add audacity to make it worse, oh and here's some 7k crits for you too along with a class that doesn't go along with the lore just to spite you. I mean, look at all the useless junk they've done, this might as well be just a pve game at the moment.

I can agree, i even had some conversations with freeps who are bored/frustrated ^^ . I am always of the view that you can change things, i am a bit sceptical of anything but i think a few other posters captured it, they really want this to be taken up listened to and acted on, but doubt it will be.

Apologise folks turbine have chucked my thread in general forum here too, this is the original.. meh.

Why would i waste my time signing, when GW2 is launching in less than 2 months....

Originally Posted by ToastyGStar

Apologise folks turbine have chucked my thread in general forum here too, this is the original.. meh.

Ouch that sux lol, wonder why this thread isn't allowed in the general forum =\ bit silly if you ask me, i see plenty of demands from housing improvement to "flying eagles!" which makes totally no sense to the lore... how can an innocent petition asking for improvement to PVMP be in the wrong? Been waiting 5+ years for something for PVMP :P!