Thread: Many warden questons regarding gambits and LI legacies please help new warden

Hey all,
I now have a 63 almost 64 warden and i am still struggling with some stuff.
This is my current strategy I am sure it is not optimal, that is why I am posting it here.

For AoE threat, I use (1+1) Deft Strike, then I use Exultation of Battle (3+1+2+3+2), If I have gained the potency effect, I then use EoB again via battle memory. I then use Goad (3+3), then either EoB again or Conviction (2+3+2+3+2), if I have gained the potency effect I will use either EoB or Conviction again. If I lose threat and the healer or any squishy toon is getting beat up I use Defiant Challenge I repeat this until DPS picks off mobs.

For single target DPS I use Deft Strike (1+1), then 1-2-1-2 Wall of steel, then if i have gained the potency effect I will use it again and follow it with either Goad or Deft Strike. I follow this with 1+3+1+3 Boar's Rush, If the mob is stunned I will use critical strike, If i have gained the potency effect I will use Boar's Rush again.

For Single target threat, I will use the above technique except replacing Wall of Steel and Boar's Rush with Spear of Virtue? (3+1+3+1) not sure if that name is spear of virtue but its 3131

For running through mobs and soloing I use the Recklessness stance and basically use the single target dps strategy.

So my first question is I would like feedback on these gambit combinations and examples of other people's. As we know a situation can change quickly and I would adapt to the situation (I.E use Celebration of Skill for Heals of Aggression for aggro etc, or reversal for corruption or the boot for interrupt)

Also I was wondering what gambit transfered the most threat?

My second question is regarding legacies. What do you think are the best legacies for tanking/threat? Also what skils specifically are enhanced by the first-spear threat up legacy and by how much? And what does gambit lifetap damage do? Does it help with EoB? Will it increase both damage and heal from this ability?

Thanks.

My advice to you is EoB is your best threat by far when taking on single targets or multiple targets. I will show you my tanking rotation that never fails me even if i do not start the fight.

All gambits below are made by using masterys

Battle prep EoB to start the battle
Goad (for potency)
EoB
Aggression and buffs and heals till EoB runs out
Battle memory EoB
Goad (for potency)
EoB
Aggression and other buffs and heals till EoB runs out and just keep repeating.

conviction is nice to use with the heal and everything but it takes a long time to build vs using aggression. and they may be a weak threat leech but aggression is so easy to build i always keep it in my rotation. This has never failed me even in a group of all hunters. good luck

Yeah I agree, Goad & EoB (my wardens new best friend lol) all the way, but if i need a bigger morale boost (for whatever reason) Restoration 2-1-2-1-2

Originally Posted by SPARTIOTIS

Yeah I agree, Goad & EoB (my wardens new best friend lol) all the way, but if i need a bigger morale boost (for whatever reason) Restoration 2-1-2-1-2

Thanks guys for the information.

Can anyone address the legacy part of my question?

Thanks again

Originally Posted by Beremis

Thanks guys for the information.

Can anyone address the legacy part of my question?

Thanks again

Not many that are a must, but for tankning, look for the following:
Fist-Spear threat up
Conviction healing
Shield-gambit healing
Defiant Challenge cooldown
(probs forgot some, others can fill in)

Also, some of the self-buff-enhancing one (WoS parry rating, SM block rating and DoW evade rating) if you use any one of them in tanking, and feel they could use a boost.

Having Vit, Might and Agility legacies also helps your morale/mitigation/block/parry, wich are important when tankning.

EDIT: Lifetap damage increases the damage EoB does to your target, but there is no threat increase (other than the pure dps-threat from increased damage) and it does not affect the healing done.

Originally Posted by Beremis

My second question is regarding legacies. What do you think are the best legacies for tanking/threat? Also what skils specifically are enhanced by the first-spear threat up legacy and by how much? And what does gambit lifetap damage do? Does it help with EoB? Will it increase both damage and heal from this ability?

Fist-spear threat up is a must have for tanking. As is mentioned, EoB is your aggro friend and this legacy enhances the threat component of EoB. The fist-speat threat-up legacy basically enhances the threat component of all gambits that start with, well, fist-spear.

Since I'm at work at the moment, I can't check what else I have. Personally, I also have the Conviction healing bonus and the ICPR bonus on my javelin. I also have the shield mastery buff duration.

The gambit life-tap damage increases the damage that a life-tap does. It makes EoB do more damage every time it transfers health from the mob to you. It does not increase the amount of health you gain from the life-tap. Meaning that if EoB transfers 120 health to you, it will do 120 damage to you targets without the legacy. With the legacy, it will still transfer 120 health to you, but will do like 150 damage to your targets. If you want a bigger heal from EoB, you could work on incoming healing (correct me if I'm wrong).

As For Legacies as said above the Tanky ones you should look at

Spear
Majors
Shield gambit buff duration
Fist-Spear gambit threat
Spear gambit parry rating
Fist-Spear gambit line power reduction (if get 4th Major tho Power is not really an issue anymore)

Minors
Shield tactics mitigation bonus
Shield-Spear gambit line power reduction (Optional since Power is not an issue)

My tanky spear is 3 majors / 1 minor + Vit and Agi (helps bump my low Agility, Might is over 700 which is fine for tanking imo)


Javelin
Majors
Heal bonus for conviction
Fist gambit buff duration
Warden heal bonus
In combat power regeneration (again not essential)

Minors
Shield mastery block rating
Defiant challange Cooldown duration

Again tempted to drop The iCPR legacy and slot either Vit or Agi

As for DPS , I have no idea I tank on my Warden or play Mini to Heal.

For me the I really noticed the 'Power of the Warden' when I got the gambit buff duration legacies and maxed them an extra 10 seconds to all shield and fist based buffs - 'Rock On'

Originally Posted by Beremis

Also what skils specifically are enhanced by the first-spear threat up legacy and by how much?

Thanks.

This legacy will effect any gambit that begins with the Fist-Spear line. Simple as that. Any gambit that starts with Fist-Spear is effected. If that has you stumped here is a quick list of all of them:

Precise Blow
Fierce Resolve
Piercing Strike
Spear Of Virtue
Exultation Of Battle
Resolution

Thanks guys, i believe all my questions were answered.

Yes, I have no been using battle prep! Seems like it would have been obvious but now i will.

Thanks for explaining the fist-spear legacy, but how much threat does it add? If EoB is 4T+4T over time with out legacies about how much threat will be added? Will it increase ToT as well as initial threat?

I also have another question. Defiant challenge, how long will it force mobs to attack you? Does it generate any threat on it's own?

Also I am wondering if inc. heal will increase self-heals/lifetaps and if that will increase threat as I'm assuming we generate threat from heals as well.

Assuming that is true, then wouldn't conviction generate TONS of threat as I have heard is transfers 1T from each member of the fellowship so at least 5T while also healing everyone?

Thanks so much guys I feel i am way more well equipped to play Warden. It is certainly a fun class to play and I think that it may be one of the best as your DPS/Threat/Everything is somewhat based on your skill not just set variables according the stats/levels like all the other classes.

Thanks again.

EDIT: Also does EoB stack? If the lifetap doesn't does the ToT? Or is it stupid to loaded this into battle memory? Thanks

Originally Posted by Beremis

Thanks guys, i believe all my questions were answered.

Yes, I have no been using battle prep! Seems like it would have been obvious but now i will.

Thanks for explaining the fist-spear legacy, but how much threat does it add? If EoB is 4T+4T over time with out legacies about how much threat will be added? Will it increase ToT as well as initial threat?

I also have another question. Defiant challenge, how long will it force mobs to attack you? Does it generate any threat on it's own?

Also I am wondering if inc. heal will increase self-heals/lifetaps and if that will increase threat as I'm assuming we generate threat from heals as well.

Assuming that is true, then wouldn't conviction generate TONS of threat as I have heard is transfers 1T from each member of the fellowship so at least 5T while also healing everyone?

Thanks so much guys I feel i am way more well equipped to play Warden. It is certainly a fun class to play and I think that it may be one of the best as your DPS/Threat/Everything is somewhat based on your skill not just set variables according the stats/levels like all the other classes.

Thanks again.

EDIT: Also does EoB stack? If the lifetap doesn't does the ToT? Or is it stupid to loaded this into battle memory? Thanks

The heal from EoB stacks up to 10 times. The ToT has no cap... but it will probably expire by the time you place a certain amount of them.