Thread: What to do against warg's damage: fear (51) -115 fate, -115 will?

Hi,
I wonder if anyone can tell me what to do against this fear damage -above mentioned- that empties my power in no time.
I thought that fortifying food like Lamb and Barley Soup which gives me +2 Fear resistance and +1000 resistance rating would help. But alas it does not. I tried it together with other food that provides me with +30 might and +30 vitality. Nothing, wargs just seem to ignore it.
It's about my lvl 50 warden with a 2690 resistance, 2197 block, 1674 parry, 1350 evade, 3950 physical mastery. Against shadow wargs lvl 50-51 in Eregion.
The only thing that works are Distilled Conhuith Draughts potions but they only remove the fear, they dont protect you and I need to kill hundreds of wargs (for the hides for tailoring and some deeds. I cannot afford to use one potion after every kill...
It sure must be something to prevent this kind of fear damage that leaves you without power.

That does get annoying, ideally you could group with a Captain for the fear and a Loremaster for the wounds, other than that it is shed loads of pots I'm afraid

One obvious solution is to build up more Will, if you have LIs then there are several options for building that stat available to you. (Get some +Will relics for your LIs, eat crafted food with +Will, get some +Will jewelry, or trait for Will via virtues)

If you don't want to do that, try using the "Assailment" stance and engage the wargs from range. If you can kill them before they reach you, they can't give you the fear.

The problem with stacking resistances against these fear debuffs is that they just spam them, so sooner or later one gets through your resistance, no matter how high it is.

The best I can suggest is keep the most powerfull OOCPR cooked food you can get your hands on, or alternatively the strongest ICPR food if you don't want to wait between fights. Combine this with either +Fate or +Will Trail food and very deliberate work on power-optimizing your rotation.

how much 'Will' do I need to resist that fear?

Originally Posted by Groarth

how much 'Will' do I need to resist that fear?

To actually resist the skill? I don't know. But notice what the skill does to you. It's taking away -115 of your Will, and Will is what gives you out of combat power regeneration, with no Will, you can't regenerate power. I'm assuming that's the problem that you are having, so to get around it, just build up more than 115 Will and eat some regeneration food along with it, and you'll do just fine.

If the problem is out of combat power regen, i suggest using some regen food. I always used lvl 35 Strawberry scone - 30 minute food bought from Iron garrison guards.

Ok, thank you all

You can consider traiting Idealism for some extra fate,resitance and will and get some jewelry with ICPR bonus.I did so on my warden and i rarely run out of power and only i engage a long fight.Hope that will help

Originally Posted by Groarth

how much 'Will' do I need to resist that fear?

Try and increase your actual Resistance rating. Not just your Will. Resistance is the stat that will give you the chance to resist harmful effects. Even then there is no insurance that it will resist it every single time. To give you a general idea, my Warden is level 75 and I have just over 10,000 Resistance Rating. What does this give me? A 25% chance to resist all harmful effects. So in theory I would have a 25% chance every time those Wargs tried to apply the fear to me to resist it all together. You cannot get 100% resistance.

Originally Posted by Groarth

how much 'Will' do I need to resist that fear?

Do be aware that resisting effects are capped, so you will never be able to have a reasonable chance to resist any effect. The cap is so low, that you will get affected, even if you resist the first time, all effects have a DoT like characteristic, so sooner more so than later, you going to fail the low valued resist roll and be affected; at times I wonder, why the game even bothers to have a resist value at all? Its not like you can actually resist.

So pragmatically, you are stuck consuming pots like some kind of drug addict, in order to enjoy the game without the annoynace from the excessive use of stuns, slows, posions/diseases, etc. I wish the pots could be delivered in a "smoke" venue, so we could be smoking pot all the time, since we ae forced to use them as if addicted...



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While the others gave good points about the actual topic (like regen food) I want to ask a bit about

Originally Posted by Groarth

I need to kill hundreds of wargs (for the hides for tailoring and some deeds.

These wargs (at the Burnt Tor I guess) give either exceptional or magnificent hides.
There are better places for either of those although for magnificent ones you will need to enter Moria.

Exceptionals I usually get in Forochel at either the sabretooths close to Pynthi-Peldot or the bears just outside of Suri-Kyla.

Magnificents I usually get from the Deep-Claws in Kathub-zahar.

The wargs I only do for the deed in Eregion.

If you outlevel the wargs a bit you could also try assailment and take them down before they reach you. On-level that might be tough though.

As you may have spotted, resistance buff foods are basically useless. Its a pity, but there it is. Pots are a gold sink. Group with a captain is, in the end, almost your only option. Tyhe captain will be interested in a muster courgae deed and possibly a wargslaying deed so there should be some synergy there.

Originally Posted by Cadd_EU

...The best I can suggest is keep the most powerfull OOCPR cooked food you can get your hands on, or alternatively the strongest ICPR food if you don't want to wait between fights....

This for grinding through npcs that are a greater nuisance than threat. Using Fear and Power pots during that grind is just a waste of gear. When I did that kind of grind, I just accepted that I'd have a perma-debuff and use some regen food.

As a side note, prior to u7.1 stacking for resist was far more viable than at any other time I can recall. Imo, resist all the way. It won't help during that grind because as has already been said, they spam the damn debuffs but front-loading Resist is the way to go for everything else.

As noted, the attempts to resist these effects are all useless and thus pointless. What I think the debuffs' main function is a defacto nudge to group with other players.

As an aside, I thought it was 'fate' that provided regeneration and 'will' that increased the pool.

Without knowing your stats, hard to say what to do, but i suspect you don't have much for fate into your build. You cant stop the warqs from doing that really, only way is to kill them from range before they get to you. Resistance food like others have said, doesn't do very much for you. But you can compensate for what they do, if they are tagging yah -115 fate, then i guess you need at least that much more into your build to compensate. As a solo player you should be running more balanced stats instead of piling everything into your main for a warden, i dont play a warden here, but i run balanced on all my toons as i have found thats just really what works for my playstyles.

Originally Posted by Vhivi

As an aside, I thought it was 'fate' that provided regeneration and 'will' that increased the pool.

Will provides pool and Out of Combat Regen (1 Will = 12 OOCPR)
Fate provide In Combat Regen of both Power and Morale. (1 Fate = 1.5 ICMR and ICPR=30*sqrt(Fate) )

Originally Posted by Cadd_EU

Will provides pool and Out of Combat Regen (1 Will = 12 OOCPR)
Fate provide In Combat Regen of both Power and Morale. (1 Fate = 1.5 ICMR and ICPR=30*sqrt(Fate) )

Very many thanks for those formulas.
Are they the same for all or does it vary from class to class like it´s the case with vitality/morale?

Those are equal for all, you can find all the base stat effect (that are known) here. It's slightly out of date as it lists Melee and Ranged Offence etc, but apart from that (and Tactical Offence/Outgoing Healing) I don't think anything's changed.

You are not going to have much luck resisting debuffs. You have to come up a plan of how to deal with them. I feel, there are only two viable options:

1) Use a potion to remove it. I do not like this solution because potions are expensive. They are on long cooldowns. It is especially annoying. Get Fear debuff. Drink Potiion. Get Fear debuff. Wait for cool down.

2) Eat some long lasting NCPR food. I like this solution. You continue on your way. Laugh at the debuff effect. This method do not have to bulk up on Will or Resistance. You are not getting frustrated because the debuff is going to land 75% or more of the time regardless of what you did. Since your Will is lower - there is less difference between your base NCPR and the food provides.

Originally Posted by Cadd_EU

Will provides pool and Out of Combat Regen (1 Will = 12 OOCPR)
Fate provide In Combat Regen of both Power and Morale. (1 Fate = 1.5 ICMR and ICPR=30*sqrt(Fate) )

Ah, thank you for clarifying that

Suggestion:

Kill other types of mobs for hides, and save Warg and Angmarim deeds until L64 when you get The Dark Before Dawn gambit, which is a pretty powerful melee strike with a large power return.

At roughly level 50, you should make it a habit to carry pots. And get into this habit, for me, it's a remnant of the SoA days of grouping. You bring morale pots, power pots, each of the 4 status ailment pots, hope tokens, food, and scrolls.

You don't REALLY need the tokens and scrolls at level 50, but getting into this habit now will make gameplay go faster (no sitting waiting for a fear to wear off for 3 minutes), it will help you in the long run to make sure you are ready for grouping later on, and get you to pay attention to the status ailments as well.

Biggest drawbacks:
Level 50 or below, gold is in shorter supply then once you've been at cap for a while...
4 bag spaces... actually, my bag 5 on ever toon is always full of pots, scrolls, food, tokens, etc.