Thread: hillman race

as we move closer to rohan i think there should be a hillman race:

ferocity- incresed might
berserk- increased offhand damage 2%
tribal belief- increased fate and healing(to make up for none 2 weapon classes)
secretive people- decreed base armour

traits:
elbow- knock down
guile and might bonus- yellow and red fm increase
powerful hillman-+10 vit +10 might bonus
*return to aughaire- tele to aughaire
hillman club bonus-2% increse to club damage
virtuous hillman- +1 determination, valour and displine
Blaze of glory- empowers hillman with +50% bonus run speed for a short time
reknewed cause- fellowship wide reflection bonus of 3% of damage

*because aughaire seems like such a useful location- trade out for:
blessing of the spirits- random buff(boar= atttack speed, falcon= icmr, stag= finesse, ox= -incoming damage 1%)

shares man start area

enmity of hillmen 1, 2, 3- the traitoriuos tribes must be dealt with
enmity of worms 1, 2, 3- eradicate the plague of the half dragons
enmity of angmarim 1, 2- the lie-seeders of sauron must be ended
forgiveness of the despaired- friend to Eglain(augamar) or rangers of esteldilin(angmar hillmen) or wardens of annuminas(guardan) - make up for the defilement of these lands


slightly taller than men, darker skinned, dirtier. tribal paint and pelts customizable in details

classes availble:
lore-master(tribes were always true to the spirits of nature)
champion(obvious choice)
warden(hillmen live in the wilds and often have toward off evil)
captain(they are similar to men)??
burglar(i assume they are capable of acting sneakily)??

heritage:
,trev gallorg
of Dunland
of Corcur
of Creorth

Hillmen already is a part of a race.
Humans

Men are already a playable race. Adding a hillman race would be like adding a Galadhrim race.

it would be a nice class, but I doubt that they will create a new class.

A Hillman would not usually be seen as a Free People, so it would slide more towards a new creep class, perhaps an LM equivalent like some of the hillman sorceresses we see in Carn Dum.

i'd just like to point out that hillmen weren't men. they hated men. When the numenorians came from the north they were cautious around them. They were already there before the people of gondor and rohan. they eventually strike peace under aragon's rule however they are not men thier culture is completely different.

The OP's reasoning is so mind-bogglingly flawed, this must be a troll post.

Originally Posted by dragerslayer

i'd just like to point out that hillmen weren't men. they hated men. When the numenorians came from the north they were cautious around them. They were already there before the people of gondor and rohan. they eventually strike peace under aragon's rule however they are not men thier culture is completely different.

??!
1. Hillmen are of course men.
2. Not all hillmen hate Men of the West. Actually breelanders are hillmen (their most culturally influenced by numenorians part).
3. Even many of those hillmen who keep their barbarian culture do not hate Men of the West, peacefully co-exist with them. Some are even allies.

Originally Posted by dragerslayer

i'd just like to point out that hillmen weren't men. they hated men. When the numenorians came from the north they were cautious around them. They were already there before the people of gondor and rohan. they eventually strike peace under aragon's rule however they are not men thier culture is completely different.

Eh... HillMEN are quite clearly MEN, it is even in the name. Just because the "hated" other men doesnt mean they werent men themselves.

Misanthropes are human, even if they hate other humans.
Nazis are human even if they hate other humans.

Technically I would say that the hillmen were more Men than the Numenorians were.

Different culture != different race.

Or do you mean that asians are not human because they have different cultures than Europe?

I think the OP might be getting confused with the Wild-men or Woses of the Druadan Forest in Rohan. They are a completely separate people from the Hillmen of the North, although they are both human so are of the same race as all the other men of Middle-earth.

Originally Posted by Dorllark88

Eh... HillMEN are quite clearly MEN, it is even in the name. Just because the "hated" other men doesnt mean they werent men themselves.

Misanthropes are human, even if they hate other humans.
Nazis are human even if they hate other humans.

Technically I would say that the hillmen were more Men than the Numenorians were.

Different culture != different race.

You are right. + rep.

Originally Posted by dragerslayer

i'd just like to point out that hillmen weren't men. they hated men. When the numenorians came from the north they were cautious around them. They were already there before the people of gondor and rohan. they eventually strike peace under aragon's rule however they are not men thier culture is completely different.

THOSE are not Hillmen. That's Woses, Drùadan. They have nothing at all to do with Hillmen as seen in the game. The Hillmen are just wilder Men, like those living in Dunland.

The Drùadan are somewhere around Dwarf-length, with a body very different from Men, yet not as stocky as Dwarves. They also have very little facial hair and rather broad faces with a flat, wide nose and marked eyebrows, IIRC.

They are also even less inclined to travel and interact with other races than even hobbits are!

We could be a dunlending. Stag clan, bonevales clan(idk what the name is), and the clan in endenwaith are on our side.

Originally Posted by Nindolvoth

We could be a dunlending. Stag clan, bonevales clan(idk what the name is), and the clan in endenwaith are on our side.

So they can finally see our kind before? :P

(sorry couldn't resist).

Originally Posted by Nibenwen

So they can finally see our kind before? :P

(sorry couldn't resist).

Ha Ha!

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Originally Posted by Cadd_EU

The Drùadan are somewhere around Dwarf-length, with a body very different from Men, yet not as stocky as Dwarves. They also have very little facial hair and rather broad faces with a flat, wide nose and marked eyebrows, IIRC.

They are nevertheless men, the Drùadan are not related to Dwarves even if they resemble them in some ways. They are Wild Men, the Professor was quite clear about that.
I think what the OP and some other people are getting confused about is how Tolkien classified race in Middle-earth, there were only four races of free people, Men, Hobbits, Dwarves and Elves.

Originally Posted by Wolfhelm

They are nevertheless men, the Drùadan are not related to Dwarves even if they resemble them in some ways. They are Wild Men, the Professor was quite clear about that.
I think what the OP and some other people are getting confused about is how Tolkien classified race in Middle-earth, there were only four races of free people, Men, Hobbits, Dwarves and Elves.

Of course, to Treebeard, there were four: Elves, Men, Dwarves, and Ents. But he added Hobbits after he had met them.

Originally Posted by djheydt

Of course, to Treebeard, there were four: Elves, Men, Dwarves, and Ents. But he added Hobbits after he had met them.

Also, I think some tribes of giants were free.

Originally Posted by Wolfhelm

They are nevertheless men, the Drùadan are not related to Dwarves even if they resemble them in some ways. They are Wild Men, the Professor was quite clear about that.
I think what the OP and some other people are getting confused about is how Tolkien classified race in Middle-earth, there were only four races of free people, Men, Hobbits, Dwarves and Elves.

I'm not entirely sure that Drùedain (I had the name wrong in my first post) were really Men any more than Hobbits are, of course I haven't read any of his letters or such!

In the First Age the Drùedain lived alongside one of the Houses of Men when they entered Beleriand, the Folk of Háleth. That distinction would be a bit strange if they were counted as Men themselves, and according to Encyclopedia of Arda they are about as related to Men as the Hobbits are.

Originally Posted by Okamion

Also, I think some tribes of giants were free.

As far as I am aware the entire race of Giants is based on a single sentence in the Hobbit. So, no.