Thread: Grazadhun

Originally Posted by Stanimir

I find it somewhat comforting that no matter how long my breaks may be, I can always come back here and see the same argument with different variables inserted and still see people trying to win it.

It's never about winning the argument. The real game is how long can you keep it going. Come on 37 pages. We need Eoblob here to help

Originally Posted by atisket

Crying Creep. what creeps don't cry do they. This guy is crying b/c I killed him while cleansing the water and he thinks i'm a baby killer. why do I even care. The other creeps didn't care when they killed me at rank 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 why don't we have an area for little baby creeps who don't want to die. Give them there own little crib and then them be by them selves. is that what you do for a baby. I don't think so I think other creeps must care for them and take them under there wings and show them where to go and what to do. Is that what creeps do? I'm not sure i don't really play creep side. I have a few but I don't play them much, Why would a creep jump over to freepside just to badger another player for playin his charactor? I am not sure other than being fustrated about being a free to play creep who can't get all the rewards from being a VIP. Oh well, who cares, who is really going to read this post any way. I guess I will just go back to the parking lot I came from waiting for unaware baby creeps to kill while they lay there helplessly. (his quote), Good luck to you Grazadhun and I hope you find some friends out there. If not come over here to freepside and you will have alot of friends who will take you under there wings..

So I just read this whole thing, and...



/ignore would've saved you a lot of trouble, mainly the trouble of penning this elegantly articulated rage post.

Originally Posted by tykoshi

Actually, an effective and skilled leader will know how and when to pick his fights. Or, at the very least, weigh the risks against the reward before making the call to engage (or not).

9 creeps against a 4 man Garnival (yep, it got named) does not offer much in the way of reward for the risk. I'm a more than a little toward the crazy end of the lead-o-meter and even I refuse to engage the Garnival when it's out.

-pup-

Seriously? 9v4 and no go?

What about 20 v 6? Go? Because we had 6 last night and still a raid wouldn't fight us, even with ALL the NPCs on us at every stop plus a frigging minstrel tanking the Tyrant and two chieftains at Dar Of course, finally we got some action there, but still, 4/6 got away I think.

I'm seriously wondering ### is going on in this zone if more than 2x numbers still won't fight. It's no wonder that creep raids don't fight freep raids anymore. The raids on both sides run around PvEing empty keeps, the soloers get raided on, the small groups can't get fights.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

Seriously? 9v4 and no go?

What about 20 v 6? Go? Because we had 6 last night and still a raid wouldn't fight us, even with ALL the NPCs on us at every stop plus a frigging minstrel tanking the Tyrant and two chieftains at Dar Of course, finally we got some action there, but still, 4/6 got away I think.

I'm seriously wondering ### is going on in this zone if more than 2x numbers still won't fight. It's no wonder that creep raids don't fight freep raids anymore. The raids on both sides run around PvEing empty keeps, the soloers get raided on, the small groups can't get fights.

Maybe the power balance is that extreme? I don't know how big the gap is for Audacity levels, but would 8 players with 0 - 3 Audicity be able to handle 4 players with 7 Audacity? (All things being equal on the skill front).

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

Seriously? 9v4 and no go?

What about 20 v 6? Go? Because we had 6 last night and still a raid wouldn't fight us, even with ALL the NPCs on us at every stop plus a frigging minstrel tanking the Tyrant and two chieftains at Dar Of course, finally we got some action there, but still, 4/6 got away I think.

I'm seriously wondering ### is going on in this zone if more than 2x numbers still won't fight. It's no wonder that creep raids don't fight freep raids anymore. The raids on both sides run around PvEing empty keeps, the soloers get raided on, the small groups can't get fights.

Any other group and I'll put 9 against 4, but not that one. It's not just a matter of numbers, it's a question of capability. And when you were there, I counted 6 against 10. The Garnival has easily - and repeatedly - taken down groups twice its size.

Every freep in that group last night had no less than 4 rows of buffs. With the evade and mitigation buffs, most creep-side DPS can't offset the sheer mass of healing. Now stack group-wide stun immunity and everything else, whle we are constantly slowed, cc'd, and AoE'd to death.

Don't get me wrong - I salute the fact that the people in that group have mastered their skills that they complement each other so effectively. I don't expect to win every fight I engage in. But I prefer to have some chance of winning or getting something for my efforts instead of a quick trip to the rez.

Yes, it can be done, but frankly it's just not worth the reward. I'm out for fun - getting constantly farmed isn't something many of on either side particularly enjoy.

-pup-

Originally Posted by Olympic

Maybe the power balance is that extreme? I don't know how big the gap is for Audacity levels, but would 8 players with 0 - 3 Audicity be able to handle 4 players with 7 Audacity? (All things being equal on the skill front).

Yes, given that the 8 creeps have appropriate skills (from store or rank) and was a well balanced group (not an 8 man derp pack) would be able to handle 4 freeps playing in such a manner with ease. Especially with 2-3 high ranked wargs (which landroval has in abundance), which are on par with most freep classes in terms of power.

If you can take a 6 man creep group (with R1 audacity) into an 18-man freep raid when the freeps have the ON buff and get 7 kills out of the deal, then you can take an 8-man creep group into 4 freeps and wipe them.

Originally Posted by tykoshi

Any other group and I'll put 9 against 4, but not that one. It's not just a matter of numbers, it's a question of capability. And when you were there, I counted 6 against 10. The Garnival has easily - and repeatedly - taken down groups twice its size.

Every freep in that group last night had no less than 4 rows of buffs. With the evade and mitigation buffs, most creep-side DPS can't offset the sheer mass of healing. Now stack group-wide stun immunity and everything else, whle we are constantly slowed, cc'd, and AoE'd to death.

Don't get me wrong - I salute the fact that the people in that group have mastered their skills that they complement each other so effectively. I don't expect to win every fight I engage in. But I prefer to have some chance of winning or getting something for my efforts instead of a quick trip to the rez.

Yes, it can be done, but frankly it's just not worth the reward. I'm out for fun - getting constantly farmed isn't something many of on either side particularly enjoy.

-pup-

Yup, I will not throw myself against that lot, and anyone that understands the imbalance of kills should know better then to expect creeps to waste their time and feed that. I would rather log off and do something else then waste a moment fighting the Garnival when it comes to town. No matter how many new clowns it boasts, or how many elephant ears it offers.

Just absorbing the general theme, what is the power balance between Audacity 0 and 7? Percentage wise?

Scenario: Artic and Jaiyne 1 vs. 1 often enough that they both know each other in a fight. Arctic knows his class very well, Jaiyne knows hers very well. (I could say the same for Pup, Hithy, Moof, any other number, but I know those two engage often enough).

All things being equal without Audacity, their fights PROBABLY come down to a few misses, a few crits, winner. Probably not any room for error in this fight as they are both well versed in their classes, and in the same league 1 vs 1.

So Arctic goes foraging in garbage cans for a few meals and Jaiyne gets to Audacity 7, what is the difference in the fight now? Is Arctic's skill going to overcome the Audacity boost, or is it just "mathmatically" probably not going to happen?

Originally Posted by Aedon

We actually ignore you.

Did the glorified skirmish soldier say something?

Originally Posted by Olympic

Did the glorified skirmish soldier say something?

heheh Yo,

Yeah, and I will say a few more things. *grins* There are far too many over inflated egos, prom queens and drama queens in the moors. Most of these it is best to walk on past rather then dirty my paws.

Originally Posted by Olympic

Just absorbing the general theme, what is the power balance between Audacity 0 and 7? Percentage wise?

Scenario: Artic and Jaiyne 1 vs. 1 often enough that they both know each other in a fight. Arctic knows his class very well, Jaiyne knows hers very well. (I could say the same for Pup, Hithy, Moof, any other number, but I know those two engage often enough).

All things being equal without Audacity, their fights PROBABLY come down to a few misses, a few crits, winner. Probably not any room for error in this fight as they are both well versed in their classes, and in the same league 1 vs 1.

So Arctic goes foraging in garbage cans for a few meals and Jaiyne gets to Audacity 7, what is the difference in the fight now? Is Arctic's skill going to overcome the Audacity boost, or is it just "mathmatically" probably not going to happen?

In a short fight where it's mostly a DPS race, I would say it's possible if unlikely. Some lucky crits, positional damage, good timing on stuns/silences might do it. She, and some other minnies like Dagr, seem to spend most of the fight attacking however.

The biggest factor here, and with audacity in general, is healing. Freep heals were already pretty powerful in comparison to creep DPS before the update. Factoring in the -30% incoming damage and the small boost from crystals, dedicated healing from a minstrel, RK, or warden can completely outstrip creep damage. Obviously this varies depending on traits, legacies, and CC... but the possibility is there if freeps choose to take it.

Side note: Keep in mind no one has 0 audacity. All creeps and freeps in the 'Moors have at least 1.


PS - I was slow on getting audacity, and spent quite a bit of time fighting with less than aud4. So I did get a taste of this.

Originally Posted by tykoshi

Jaiyne - bring out your warg and be in a group going up against Garny & Co. Then come back and share your observations.

My warg has 1 Audacity so I would get smoked. Also, I'm sure you know this, but I don't group much on my warg because to me, warg packing solo players is not fun, and the real utility a grouping warg brings is scouting. Just my opinion. I realize you lead plenty of mixed raids, of course.

Could I kill one of them 1v1? Probably if I weren't so rusty and had some audacity. Why? Because wargs are just as powerful as any freep class IMO.

But more than that, I probably wouldn't mess around with more than 2 wargs for that group at all. Wargs require stealth to burst and disrupt properly. The only time they would be able to burst would be the very beginning of the engagement because Garny brings tons of AoE, and the freep group would have CDs up to deal with that initial disruption; so wargs may be better off in other roles unless they are in Flayer and have some reliable heals (which are better spent elsewhere). Of course, wargs are great for tracking, scouting and helping the zerg run down a fleeing player. But yeah, out of stealth they don't bring a ton to a group unless they have heals.

The real problem is a complete lack of reavers in the zone now. Seriously, there are so few reavers, it's all wargs and BAs, with a few token healers and a few spiders. This is why you can't take on that group. There is no balance.

Originally Posted by tykoshi

Plok has tried...I've tried....others have tried. We mix it up, try multiple targets...what have you. After awhile it's a mindless cycle of rez circle, hit, die, and re-rez. Well, at this point, I'd rather stay at Grams and shove glass splinters into my paws. if I want mindless futility, I'll argue with my family. So please don't tell me it's impossible because it's happening.

-pup-

It's not impossible. It's just not likely with the group make-ups that exist in the Moors these days - assuming relatively balanced numbers. There is a reason they are tough to kill - and yes, it's part skill and aggressive play. But the other part is class make-up. Think about it. A healing captain, a healing RK and a DPS LM that also plays a pivotal support role are the core of that group. They each can support in very specific ways to make killing them difficult but not in any way impossible.

I love how these 98.9% time freeps talk about it like its hiding. Phallaster and GIjane especially. Just coast on your ezmode freeps and dont worry about what goes on out here. You're out of the loop.

As I said, I will not throw my group against a broken combination of mechanics. Esecially against those who do it well.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

My warg has 1 Audacity so I would get smoked. Also, I'm sure you know this, but I don't group much on my warg because to me, warg packing solo players is not fun, and the real utility a grouping warg brings is scouting. Just my opinion. I realize you lead plenty of mixed raids, of course.

Could I kill one of them 1v1? Probably if I weren't so rusty and had some audacity. Why? Because wargs are just as powerful as any freep class IMO.

But more than that, I probably wouldn't mess around with more than 2 wargs for that group at all. Wargs require stealth to burst and disrupt properly. The only time they would be able to burst would be the very beginning of the engagement because Garny brings tons of AoE, and the freep group would have CDs up to deal with that initial disruption; so wargs may be better off in other roles unless they are in Flayer and have some reliable heals (which are better spent elsewhere). Of course, wargs are great for tracking, scouting and helping the zerg run down a fleeing player. But yeah, out of stealth they don't bring a ton to a group unless they have heals.

This just isn't true anymore, as I've learned over the last couple weeks. I've been running around in Flayer, with absolutely no stealth other than to break the occasional track, and working with Plok's raid. Interrupt DoTs wreck havoc on healers and minstrels, especially when breaking feign deaths. A well timed pack flayer leaves guards, champs, and captains who charge into the ranks with no escape from the focus fire. AoE disarms disrupt the melee classes who are attacking our healers, as well as breaking the otherwise uninterruptable LM skills. Guaranteed knockdowns and stuns stop anyone who wasn't immune in their tracks.

On top of it all, with the support of some really great healers, I've been able to wade into freep ranks with impunity. And we've still got better ST DPS than most reavers.

Originally Posted by Olympic

Just absorbing the general theme, what is the power balance between Audacity 0 and 7? Percentage wise?

Scenario: Artic and Jaiyne 1 vs. 1 often enough that they both know each other in a fight. Arctic knows his class very well, Jaiyne knows hers very well. (I could say the same for Pup, Hithy, Moof, any other number, but I know those two engage often enough).

All things being equal without Audacity, their fights PROBABLY come down to a few misses, a few crits, winner. Probably not any room for error in this fight as they are both well versed in their classes, and in the same league 1 vs 1.

So Arctic goes foraging in garbage cans for a few meals and Jaiyne gets to Audacity 7, what is the difference in the fight now? Is Arctic's skill going to overcome the Audacity boost, or is it just "mathmatically" probably not going to happen?

Jaiyne was pretty slow in getting her gear in comparison to a lot of people, but Arctic and I fought a lot along the way. I take my deaths with Arctic because I really enjoy fighting him. My class obviously has the potential to just heal, but even if that were the way I played, I'm still fairly certain he could shut me down if I made that decision. Instead, I try to burst him down while minimizing positional. But yeah, all things being equal, we are well matched and were well matched before this Audacity stuff. It often goes down to the absolute wire. I am fairly certain that Arctic could kill literally 95% of freeps in the Moors right now.

In other words, I feel like Audacity was pretty much a wash for our fights in terms of outcomes.

Originally Posted by oninoakuma

I love how these 98.9% time freeps talk about it like its hiding. Phallaster and GIjane especially. Just coast on your ezmode freeps and dont worry about what goes on out here. You're out of the loop.

How sweet it is to have annoyed you enough to merit a mention. Mission accomplished. (fyi, there is another Allaster, so you may want to shed one of the L's)....and lol at a BA calling someone EZMode.

Originally Posted by Arvaen

This just isn't true anymore, as I've learned over the last couple weeks. I've been running around in Flayer, with absolutely no stealth other than to break the occasional track, and working with Plok's raid. Interrupt DoTs wreck havoc on healers and minstrels, especially when breaking feign deaths. A well timed pack flayer leaves guards, champs, and captains who charge into the ranks with no escape from the focus fire. AoE disarms disrupt the melee classes who are attacking our healers, as well as breaking the otherwise uninterruptable LM skills. Guaranteed knockdowns and stuns stop anyone who wasn't immune in their tracks.

On top of it all, with the support of some really great healers, I've been able to wade into freep ranks with impunity. And we've still got better ST DPS than most reavers.

Right, in Flayer - with heals. Exactly what I said was missing in that painful to watch recent video. Without heals though, it's not happening.

Originally Posted by Olympic

Did the glorified skirmish soldier say something?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Originally Posted by Arvaen

This just isn't true anymore, as I've learned over the last couple weeks. I've been running around in Flayer, with absolutely no stealth other than to break the occasional track, and working with Plok's raid. Interrupt DoTs wreck havoc on healers and minstrels, especially when breaking feign deaths. A well timed pack flayer leaves guards, champs, and captains who charge into the ranks with no escape from the focus fire. AoE disarms disrupt the melee classes who are attacking our healers, as well as breaking the otherwise uninterruptable LM skills. Guaranteed knockdowns and stuns stop anyone who wasn't immune in their tracks.

On top of it all, with the support of some really great healers, I've been able to wade into freep ranks with impunity. And we've still got better ST DPS than most reavers.

Yeah I was going to say... Flayer is what makes wargs extremely viable in group situations.

If I was going up against a Garny Group I would bring some good flayer wargs with me.

Take note that a flayer warg with 12k morale has just about the same effective health as a reaver with 18k of morale. That's not even counting the heal/bubble procs.

Wargs are on par with many freep classes in terms of power level.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

Right, in Flayer - with heals. Exactly what I said was missing in that painful to watch recent video. Without heals though, it's not happening.

Ah, alright. Must have skipped over something. The heals are certainly worth it though.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

It's not impossible. It's just not likely with the group make-ups that exist in the Moors these days - assuming relatively balanced numbers. There is a reason they are tough to kill - and yes, it's part skill and aggressive play. But the other part is class make-up. Think about it. A healing captain, a healing RK and a DPS LM that also plays a pivotal support role are the core of that group. They each can support in very specific ways to make killing them difficult but not in any way impossible.

What's needed are lessons on how to dunk a dunkmaster.

Originally Posted by oninoakuma

I love how these 98.9% time freeps talk about it like its hiding. Phallaster and GIjane especially. Just coast on your ezmode freeps and dont worry about what goes on out here. You're out of the loop.

lol, really?

You have some nerve calling anything I do easy mode. The day you see me chase YOU through a keep with my RAID when you're alone, then come back and call me ezmode. I probably have 20 deaths to every one of yours; and I'm playing a fraction of the time you are atm. The difference is? Dying means nothing to me. I have a shameful amount of deaths comparable to a player rank 14.

I don't attack your playstyle, which is wildly different than mine, and I definitely said nothing about hiding. But yeah, you think running around with no group most of the time, without stealth, hips, sprint, etc., while there are freep raids that don't talk - and creep raids who won't fight the freep raids but will happily chase 1s, 2s, 3s around all night - is easy mode? Then I invite you to try it with me one night. See what you think when you're warg packed 3x just coming out of GV alone. Just for starters of course

If I wanted to EZmode, I would just join the raid and kill Tyrants in empty keeps all night.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

I don't attack your playstyle, which is wildly different than mine, and I definitely said nothing about hiding. But yeah, you think running around with no group most of the time, without stealth, hips, sprint, etc., while there are freep raids that don't talk - and creep raids who won't fight the freep raids but will happily chase 1s, 2s, 3s around all night - is easy mode? Then I invite you to try it with me one night. See what you think when you're warg packed 3x just coming out of GV alone. Just for starters of course

If I wanted to EZmode, I would just join the raid and kill Tyrants in empty keeps all night.

Word. Except I do attack that playstyle cuz I think it ruins stuff. but yeah, totally, Word.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

lol, really?

You have some nerve calling anything I do easy mode. The day you see me chase YOU through a keep with my RAID when you're alone, then come back and call me ezmode. I probably have 20 deaths to every one of yours; and I'm playing a fraction of the time you are atm. The difference is? Dying means nothing to me. I have a shameful amount of deaths comparable to a player rank 14.

I don't attack your playstyle, which is wildly different than mine, and I definitely said nothing about hiding. But yeah, you think running around with no group most of the time, without stealth, hips, sprint, etc., while there are freep raids that don't talk - and creep raids who won't fight the freep raids but will happily chase 1s, 2s, 3s around all night - is easy mode? Then I invite you to try it with me one night. See what you think when you're warg packed 3x just coming out of GV alone. Just for starters of course

If I wanted to EZmode, I would just join the raid and kill Tyrants in empty keeps all night.

I attacked the class and side you play as ezmode. You choosing to solo is your thing. Fell soloing is his thing. Playing a freep, way easier than playing creep, and thats what you choose to play. Yet, you tell people how easily the Garnival should be taken down, you you genuinely have no clue about what that entails.

Originally Posted by Aedon

We actually ignore you.

Hey, I PvE too. It just happens to be raids/skirmishes and not pretending to PvP. But yeah....


lol. I'm totally a skirmish soldier. Hasslefrass summons my bird nowadays, then the bird summons me. It's like I'm tertiary.

What I really like its the seemingly endless array of players, many hiding behind blank profiles who spend so much time telling others how to play the game. My only conclusion has to be that most of these people have little going for them past Lotro. I do not place any importance on the Moors past it being a part of a GAME. My accomplishments, my goals and my successes are in the real world, not within the boundaries of virtual reality.

I play my character the way I chose to play in the game. I kill other characters and other characters kill me. And i have managed, without the aid of the expert advise of such uber gamers that post here to reach rank 12 on my warg. And I did this while having fun and not worrying about how to tweak my skill sets, balance my group or gear myself to the max.

It is a shame that far too many folks place so much importance on an MMO, making it the be all and end all of their existence.

Originally Posted by soccercake7

Hey, I PvE too. It just happens to be raids/skirmishes and not pretending to PvP. But yeah....


lol. I'm totally a skirmish soldier. Hasslefrass summons my bird nowadays, then the bird summons me. It's like I'm tertiary.

No, we really do ignore you.

Originally Posted by F1erceGam3r2

I shot a buffalo in the butt last night...

Gut Out!

Belly is outraged, not that you shot one, but you shot the wrong thing. Those are not buffalo on the beach. Buffalo have flatter backs, little hair, tend to be grey in color, and have sweeping horns. I feel it is my duty, as a spider with a huge belly, who I might add has eaten about everything, to make sure everyone knows those are not buffalo.

so

Originally Posted by oninoakuma

I attacked the class and side you play as ezmode. You choosing to solo is your thing. Fell soloing is his thing. Playing a freep, way easier than playing creep, and thats what you choose to play. Yet, you tell people how easily the Garnival should be taken down, you you genuinely have no clue about what that entails.

Define "playing" in the context you use it in the sentance "Playing a freep, way easier than playing creep,"

Because I call BS to that statement as a blanket. In several notable ways a solo R3 warg is "easier" than a solo R12 1st age wielding Champ.

And this garbage about "Garnival" Spare me. Do you even know Jaiyne and how solid of a player she is? Put me in a group with her, Lee and others in their guild and you'd see the same. ANY group that is well built and works together well is going to be tough to take down. The problem is creepside doesn't have many players like that. Definitely not that run commonly together.

Instead you get one or two competant wargs, running with a bunch of other lower ranked wargs...no heals, no range and expect them to do anything but gank lower numbers? Heck no.

Originally Posted by Aedon

What I really like its the seemingly endless array of players, many hiding behind blank profiles who spend so much time telling others how to play the game. My only conclusion has to be that most of these people have little going for them past Lotro. I do not place any importance on the Moors past it being a part of a GAME. My accomplishments, my goals and my successes are in the real world, not within the boundaries of virtual reality.

I play my character the way I chose to play in the game. I kill other characters and other characters kill me. And i have managed, without the aid of the expert advise of such uber gamers that post here to reach rank 12 on my warg. And I did this while having fun and not worrying about how to tweak my skill sets, balance my group or gear myself to the max.

It is a shame that far too many folks place so much importance on an MMO, making it the be all and end all of their existence.

I think a lot of people (possibly most) are pretty passionate about their hobbies. Be it their favourite sports team, some convention going sci-fi fan, a model airplane enthusiast, foodies, concert going hipsters....I've seen rants and arguments from all of those people when they get talking about what is important to them.

It's natural. And in fact it's a good sign that they're genuine about their hobby.

Originally Posted by Thane9

Define "playing" in the context you use it in the sentance "Playing a freep, way easier than playing creep,"

Because I call BS to that statement as a blanket. In several notable ways a solo R3 warg is "easier" than a solo R12 1st age wielding Champ.

And this garbage about "Garnival" Spare me. Do you even know Jaiyne and how solid of a player she is? Put me in a group with her, Lee and others in their guild and you'd see the same. ANY group that is well built and works together well is going to be tough to take down. The problem is creepside doesn't have many players like that. Definitely not that run commonly together.

Instead you get one or two competant wargs, running with a bunch of other lower ranked wargs...no heals, no range and expect them to do anything but gank lower numbers? Heck no.

Just what I expect from the players that have almost zero creep related experience. Guess what? YOU"RE OUT OF THE LOOP TOO.

Never said she was a bad player either.

One doesn't have to play creep to understand their perspective, but it certainly helped me. I'm not sure why I had to do that in order to understand that people, given very similar circumstances and tools will do the same things on a general scale...

The game has balancing issues, to be sure, so I don't hypothesize on "EZmode" other than in obvious circumstances (24v1 etc). Just a difference in perspective that I am totally willing to put up with.

Everyone needs to play like me

Gratuitous dying and killing
Mostly solo
Many many rude emote screenshottings
Hithy corpsejumped mercilessly in the heat of fights.
Charge raids solo with movie quotes for giggles.

The Moors would be a nicer place, forum PvP would be jovial and not so butthurt. You all seriously get too emotional over a game. If your sole source of respect and pride and everything else is derived from this game there is something very wrong with other parts of your life. It is a game. FIGHT, DIE, REZ... Oh look, you're ok.

Sars *thinks you all need a hug, cept Gutlard* Out!

Is it me or is it the higher the "rank" the more they are entitled to share (force) thier opinion on others? You may have "played" in the moors a lot (no life), but you still have nfi. All of the threads you guys post in turn into the same boring argument about you and your class. And yes I'm talking about you.

Originally Posted by Jungleghost

Everyone needs to play like me

Gratuitous dying and killing
Mostly solo
Many many rude emote screenshottings
Hithy corpsejumped mercilessly in the heat of fights.
Charge raids solo with movie quotes for giggles.

The Moors would be a nicer place, forum PvP would be jovial and not so butthurt. You all seriously get too emotional over a game. If your sole source of respect and pride and everything else is derived from this game there is something very wrong with other parts of your life. It is a game. FIGHT, DIE, REZ... Oh look, you're ok.

Sars *thinks you all need a hug, cept Gutlard* Out!

Such wisdom in one so Sars.

[QUOTE=oninoakuma;6199470]Just what I expect from the players that have almost zero creep related experience. Guess what? YOU"RE OUT OF THE LOOP TOO. QUOTE]

Sooooo.. what constitutes enough creep-related experience to tell you that you're still don't have enough of this/that to take on the now Vinlassis-less freeps? Hmmmm?

Will a Rank 6 warg that got tired of warg-packs which constantly steamrolled solo's, stragglers, and small groups suffice? Or that same warg that teamed up randomly, without grouping, to help RenamedGii take down both Treelios and Calennor at the same time(that still remains my greatest moors fight). Hmmmmm? True, that fight happened 'back then', but I wouldn't have been that strong at Rank 6 unless I had paid to win skills.

You, Budhorn, Pouncy, and a whole list of creeps n freeps alike have 'good ol days sydrome' it seems.

But it ain't gonna happen, unless you buy Turbine itself from WB and revert things or otherwise find a time-machine. So go ahead n get over that. It's a game that's constantly evolving. Heck, my mini got one of them shiny new +126 stat items from Limlight today, and two brand-new 2nd agers.. so on a DAILY basis this game changes.

Adapt, over-come, survive. And get over it.

In the mean-time here's some ways ya'll could improve. Drastically.

1. Numbers as a whole... i.e. more than 24 of you screwballs. Might need 3rd party-voice comms to cross-coordinate between leaders.. instead of having to type on /OOC. Unless you got three arms or don't use a push to talk key. But that still don't guarantee that the other leader's going to notice wth is goin' down.
2. Learn who you're playing with. Ask if they've got store-bought skills if they're below Rank whatever ya'll think is too low to be productive. Hell, see if they understand ENGLISH in the first place, or even know how to put their raid-assist windows on. I've grouped with alot of lvl 75 freeps recently in PvE land that were like 'Wow, i didnt know this existed'. And it blows my FREAKIN MIND.
3. Support classes. Ya'll had a crapload of defilers the other night Plokky, which was nice, but I didn't see anyone get bubbled. And if I don't see a bubble, I suspect that there's nobody there to shoot off an ill-timed(for us freeps) AoE rez...
4. Rank and comms.. yea, not everyone has money to throw at the TP store.. so you're going to have to take yer lumps if you've got greenies until they can be more productive. Sorry, but the only way for ya'll to advance is through playing, dying, and repeating. Otherwise it's PvE city for ya'll. Tough cookies. Both sides have to grind.
5. Coordination. If you're knowledgable enough to slap wargs around when they pounce either a guard or a burg, and/or if you know when to root, slow, stun, etc.. then make sure people aren't needlessly wasting their good skills or overlapping them needlessly with fail-sauced focus fire n stuff. Also requires people to be vocal, with like.. a MICROPHONE.
6. Run with 3 target assists on occasion, don't limit yourself to two all the time. I've poked Vinny long enough on this issue depending on how deep into the back end of the creep-raid someone like Erinian goes and all the heavies follow that I've been made the 3rd quite frequently.. you can stretch out your raid verrrry quickly if that person never talks. Sooo.. get yourself to Wally World and grab a $5 microphone people.
7. Target fixation. This needs to be emphatically and regimentally drilled over and over and over again. Constantly. This is something I've learned in air-combat since 1997. Target fixation/tunnel vision will not keep your group alive as easily, and also endangers yourself. I've seen this too many times on both sides. The raid wipes because 4 or 7 people are trying to out-dps over-heals, bubbles or no bubbles.. instead of switching targets.

All of these are doable, some easy, some that take months.. but that's how it is.

And it doesn't take someone with a crapload of creepside experience either to notice what you guys are doing right, and what you guys are doing wrong.. because we're THERE too.

Outside of that Plokky, build some catapults and trebuchet's. You need em.

Simplistic advice is simplistic.

Originally Posted by Aedon

What I really like its the seemingly endless array of players, many hiding behind blank profiles who spend so much time telling others how to play the game. My only conclusion has to be that most of these people have little going for them past Lotro. I do not place any importance on the Moors past it being a part of a GAME. My accomplishments, my goals and my successes are in the real world, not within the boundaries of virtual reality.

I play my character the way I chose to play in the game. I kill other characters and other characters kill me. And i have managed, without the aid of the expert advise of such uber gamers that post here to reach rank 12 on my warg. And I did this while having fun and not worrying about how to tweak my skill sets, balance my group or gear myself to the max.

It is a shame that far too many folks place so much importance on an MMO, making it the be all and end all of their existence.

I couldn't have said it better. A warg after my own heart.

Originally Posted by Aedon

What I really like its the seemingly endless array of players, many hiding behind blank profiles who spend so much time telling others how to play the game. My only conclusion has to be that most of these people have little going for them past Lotro. I do not place any importance on the Moors past it being a part of a GAME. My accomplishments, my goals and my successes are in the real world, not within the boundaries of virtual reality.

I play my character the way I chose to play in the game. I kill other characters and other characters kill me. And i have managed, without the aid of the expert advise of such uber gamers that post here to reach rank 12 on my warg. And I did this while having fun and not worrying about how to tweak my skill sets, balance my group or gear myself to the max.

It is a shame that far too many folks place so much importance on an MMO, making it the be all and end all of their existence.

Your game play doesn't make others upset

OMFG.

Why are you people still here on these forums, being so incredibly petty the Kindergarten class I taught in last year has more capable.
Is everyone really like this outside of these forums?

I would love to see a statistically significant relation between how important people see someone through an avatar and through someone's normal life. EDIT: (The joke here, because I realized no one is going to get it, is that the significance is probably a negative correlation)

AND THEN compare it to how much you all actually care about any of this.


Maybe I"m just extra weirder and stranger than the rest of you, but I'm going to get ice cream now. Chocolate peanut butter if anyone cares

Originally Posted by Anarionadama

OMFG.

Why are you people still here on these forums, being so incredibly petty the Kindergarten class I taught in last year has more capable.
Is everyone really like this outside of these forums?

I would love to see a statistically significant relation between how important people see someone through an avatar and through someone's normal life. EDIT: (The joke here, because I realized no one is going to get it, is that the significance is probably a negative correlation)

AND THEN compare it to how much you all actually care about any of this.


Maybe I"m just extra weirder and stranger than the rest of you, but I'm going to get ice cream now. Chocolate peanut butter if anyone cares

You're allowed around children? And to TEACH THEM????

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