Finally, after much trial and error and experimentation on my goblin scribe Maude, it seems my newly released MDMA leeches are taking effect, we love each other after all! Hurrah!
Count me in for the aforementioned gentleman's/ladies agreement. There's enough of us willing to try to keep to them, but as Valdez noted OP's will occasionally flip but we can just swap them back in mere minutes. There will also be people who do not care for such agreements, so let's just not over react on the occasions where something does happen - "They took our OP/Buff....KILL EVERYTHING!!!!".
And for those who wish to spar, of course you're more than entitled to try to arrange them. I would suggest those who want to spar simply ignore any comments in ooc aimed at them when they come over to advertise. Just do your thing, it's pretty hard to argue when one party does not engage and try to answer negative comments.
Perhaps we could also make an effort to get more people leading groups. The other day some of the low to mid ranks started an open raid, let's face it, it's the lower ranked folks who really SHOULD be grouping all the time on creepside at least. They're the ones who explode in seconds after all. It's great to see other people trying to get groups going. I had a fellowship at the time and we simply supported the small creep raid in their fight. More people leading means a possibility of more groups on the field. As much as I enjoy raid fights on occasion I would much rather be engaged in group battles. We have at least four people capable of leading raids on creep, and a lot more who are happy to lead a smaller group. More leaders on freep would help Eve out too, for like me I'm sure you don't want to be leading raids every time you appear. It can be frustrating and a lot less fun than people think.
I like the ideas going on here, also nice to talk to freeps without too much animosity going on. PVP on this server can drive the coolest person to the edges of insanity sometimes so it doesn't help when you get people like He Who Must Not Be Named (not Voldemort) rubbing salt into wounds on our OOC. But I digress.
Few things just to add:
Not every freep/creep will be raided and its a little unfair to deny them fun/inf/ren when there is rvr going on. I think it'd be nice to see lower ranks/inexperienced creeps and freeps be given some fun, because that is what will keep them coming back for more.
Both sides can't control those who might not be playing fairly.
Auto-flips can sometimes destroy good action and therefore maybe a side should be given a period of time to correct that.
Good action and fights often come from utter chaos, and too much organization and niceness can be demotivating. Respect and communication is all that is really needed.
To be honest I don't see these agreements as truces or treaties, mostly I see them as players trying to correct the awful decisions made by Turbine that keep destroying our pvp. I think this is where we might benefit from being a small server. Maybe we should follow that line.
/end Gandalf moment.
OK, too much niceness going on here, its making me uncomfortable. Hand me that stick so I can beat Maude with it, please.
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cheers everyone for tring to make ettens a better place (once again), yet (what already has been said) some might do the opposite, as "rules" can be easily taking advantage off.
But I dont want to mezz the goodness, although some may know (I am maybe a bit late in this?) that leaderboards are getting removed and the "fc" can have it's on way.
The way I see it (maybe not shared) is that it's really going downwards with pvmp, as this was the only way to check people's stats. So yes, another punch in the face from turbine, if this is gonna pull through.
And then ranks are going to be totally meaningless, something that it's already today, but even worse and the "earning and satisfaction" of killing someone becomes useless. At the same time, server transfers are useless, cuz any bigger servers has more of these "idiots" who are using this time, to shine with their icon (wooohhhh! rank 15, in only 3 days of non-stop fc)!
Leaving the other side a GY is a decent thing for action though autoflips are a pain, and in general 2 OPs each as far as that is possible is good. The only thing with the gentlemans agreements I don't agree with are the sharing of the DoF buffs, and the reason is not to see the other side off without a buff, it's because some of the most exciting action in Ettens lately has been underground in those tunnels and I would miss those battles, if we are truced on the buffs there we have no reason to fight there. I find it exciting when a load of wargs/creeps are waiting at the side to try to steal the KB on a boss freeps have done work to take down as it makes a group/raid dps like mad to stop it happening.
“It needs but one foe to breed a war, and those who have not swords can still die upon them.”
J.R.R.Tolkien
I like the ideas going on here, also nice to talk to freeps without too much animosity going on. PVP on this server can drive the coolest person to the edges of insanity sometimes so it doesn't help when you get people like He Who Must Not Be Named (not Voldemort) rubbing salt into wounds on our OOC. But I digress.
OK, too much niceness going on here, its making me uncomfortable. Hand me that stick so I can beat Maude with it, please.
Nice start to be nice and i nsame times bitter lol.
I infact do not even talk in chat if you have noticed unless *some* delibaretely provoke me by false accusation o of any kind or even worse, verbal abuse to say it mildly....
I dont rub any wounds ..i do reply as I said to things untrue , without proof etc delibaretely thrown at me..I f i defeny me by wrong your side is doing is adding salt lol? All I have spoken was true, be that in past when I have said creeps do same, raid, zerg etc etc and you were all denying it-that was result when I was accused to zerg maps or so.....
other things mostly last month or so I was defending myself with false accusations, which do not stand at all and each day is repeated(funny was sunday when i was crafting most day until evening and was acused of aynthing just becouse creeps some are angry i play class good and need flame), so doubt that would be adding salt from my side-morso from your side as creep and sometimes even you jinx so this post of you is meh really and nice troll to be nice and +add salt+ same time....
Elm, every time you bring this up you are only adding fuel to the fire.
As I tried to explain to you yesterday there is NO reason for you to be logged on creep whilst you are playing your freep. Whether it's right or wrong people are going to be suspicious of your intent.
The easiest way to make this go away is to stop being on creep and freep at the same time.
Once again, there is NO reason for you to be reading creep ooc for any purpose. Stop logging both sides at once and I'm sure you'll find people soon forget all about you and comments will come to an end.
Creep OOC is one of the places creeps can vent their frustration, letting it all out so they can continue without being full of anger after say, being zerged. Your involvement in an OOC where you do not belong is exactly why creep players are now using the forums to hate, flame and more. Their frustrations are now placed here and, as Eve has stated, someone will be the scapegoat. It usually seems to be Evelien, even though he has proved to me and many other creeps that he does infact care for the best on both sides, something that cannot be said about you.
It does not matter if your name is named in a way you think is unfair to you, you have no business in creep OOC and should stay quiet whether you are accused of something or not.
Your immature behaviour has already resulted in you being booted from your kinship, and you are hated more than any other freep around, simply because you just seem to cannot keep your mouth shut. Yet you continue defending yourself as if you are right and everyone else is wrong. Ask yourself, is it really worth it?
Feel free to post your usual defensive "nice troll" post that you have posted on every forum post involving your name.
No life in coldness, in darkness. Here in void, only death.
I still think too many people are happily joining these raids though, would love to see twelve people having a shot rather than going straight to numbers approaching twenty. I honestly think this is having a negative impact on freep abilities, for it seems many people have no idea at all what to do when they're solo or in a small group.
Freeps are more. Creeps are less. (I is smart)
Freeps have a lower average player skill level than creeps. (also obvious)
If we imagine there are 50 freeps and 20 creeps on.. I would probably say that over 35 of the freeps will be worse players than 15 of those creeps. Therefore, as soon as someone shouts for a possible 6-man, he will be swarmed with 23456 tells (i havent pvp'd in months but i remember it was like this when it was the closest to creep-freep balance).
So, I will correct you in saying that the raids being formed aren't having a negative impact on the freep abilities. It's the bad freep abilities that are having an impact on the size of raids and tbh, the only person being blamed for it is one of the few who can make them for a start.
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These are good ideas, and I agree with them in general - a 12 v 12 raid would mean that the OP dps that freeps can bring to the table is not out of proportion, and neither is the creep survivability - these factors should balance each other in this scenario. I also think that a 2/2 OP system (may I propose River/HH for creeps, AE/Isen for freeps?) would work, as would freeps keeping TR, creeps keeping Lug, with others being left to mess with. I also think Drake for freeps and Tree for creeps (as they are closer to the respective OPs I outlined above) would be a good system, as it will prevent what we've seen previously, of freeps getting 21k or so, and the highest creeps getting 9k. However, I do forsee some problems:
1. We can't stop those who are determined to follow a raid. In order to allay suspicion, it would be great if the freep and creep leaders were on TS so any suspicions could be swiftly dealt with.
2. It may become rather exclusive, which isn't good for low rankers/new players - these 12 v 12 raids can't make up the entirety of Moors action for that reason (a couple of hours a night should be plenty).
3. People shouldn't be stigmatised for PvEing at times - so if the map is empty, and the creeps or freeps zerg a map while there aren't many others on, this is my book is still ok - its extra renown/infamy, and not at the expense of any real action.
4. If an OP or a keep flips, then the raid who has lost it (if its the ones mentioned above) is given a chance to go and get it. If there are two raids on one side, then the situation becomes more complex, but as I'd only recommend this raid v raid only goes on for two hours or so, this shouldn't be too problematic.
But in essence, this is a great idea - it just needs some fine-tuning, plus people need to make it clear when these raid v raids are going to take place - advertisements on both OOCs are important, and hopefully it can build a better, and longer lasting PvMP community.
Eve, i was about to suggest the same thing. Would also like if there was a max 12 man groups like suggested. Even if one side has 2x 12 man groups, they will still not be as efficient as a full raid. Max 12 man groups. Dof buffs one for each, middle for the side that has patience to take it. No interference on tree/drake. Ops 2-2 (random pve flips are going to happen, not a big deal) As one of the creepside leaders i am willing to commit to these gentleman rules.
I will just sign on, if 12 man grps are max. but freepside just got 1 person leading them atm, so it's = 24 ppl fighting = restrictive pvmp... It needs to be fixed or that idea will never work.
One of the best pvp days in ages, so much good fights all over the map! Tons of deaths and kills
Was really nice to see how groups msee way to soloers and creeps gave freeps a chance to get autoflipped tr back in few occations.
All went really smoothly from my perspecive, dof and ops aswell.
I do hope, this is a new and lasting direction to Evernight pvp!
Good to see you back Brave Sir Ruca! Just as I was saying freeps need more leaders and *poof* as if by magic you appear!
Also, just to mention, the idea isn't that people should never form larger raids. Of course if the numbers on both sides demand it by all means grow the groups. Really I think the point is just not to go to a large raid straight away.
I am going to say this one more time, i hope you get your head around it this time.
I do not spy freep ooc, i don't need to.
Yes i have had many tells from many players copy pasting freep ooc, if my name has been brought up, in order to trashtalk me.
Last night was a blast, thanks to both creep and freep raid leaders for trying to make the action on Evernight better. If we keep this up, players will wanna transfer to our server
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Just had a look at the dailystats site, don't think it has ever been this balanced with bothsides having tons of points.
Yesterday was nice Action and inf/ren wise. http://dailystats.theblackappendage....ay?w=Evernight
seriously, how do you think this thread has lasted so long with some of the flaming in here yet threads in general get closed very regularly? the GM's don't care! I'm sure many players don't care too, we all know how to ignore stuff don't we? any new PvP player popping into moors offended by that kind of thing, they probably wouldn't fit into PvP anyway. it's part of the genra now, as players always act that way around PvP with ego's and such.
This sums it nicely. There are a lot of things one could report - for example many player names. But why should you? Being offended just for the sake of being offended is stupid - just how can you browse around the internet if you get offended by few "bad words" or some harmless (but technically against the CoC) names? Of course there are real cases too, but most of it is harmless.
Also the game is for ages 12+ (according to the SoA box I have), ppl younger than that shouldn't be playing it. "protecting the kids" is just hypocrisy.
check that thread, sapience did 3 comments about there reporting system.
seen as I too have reported a few people in moor, few people on globallff, yet once I report of cane calling me something in /tell he got a 1 day ban (I kinda feel bad about it now).
if you don't like swearing in PvP and see it as vile instead of playful banter, I would say remove the tab and/or don't spy on creeps, or simply just ignore it/them. however saying "ycannot even talk like civilized beings..." is just as bad. I know for a fact you've insulted creeps before on your spy calling them cowards and such which I say is pretty much the exact same.
One of the best pvp days in ages, so much good fights all over the map! Tons of deaths and kills
Was really nice to see how groups msee way to soloers and creeps gave freeps a chance to get autoflipped tr back in few occations.
All went really smoothly from my perspecive, dof and ops aswell.
I do hope, this is a new and lasting direction to Evernight pvp!
Cheers everyone!
+1. Amazing fights yesterday, it was unbelievable. Fight after fight. Just i can say thank you to you guys ; valdez,heph,jinxy,peccz,krozio n,appy etc... And all the people that it was involve. Really nice fights and fun. I wish that every day could be like this . When you have this kind of fights it's obviously that Evernight have the potential to have a really good action and don't have nothing to envy to other servers.
Cheers everyone!
Pd: Thank you grue and tarkhak for the fights in front of oc, you guys never give up. /respect
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seriously, how do you think this thread has lasted so long with some of the flaming in here yet threads in general get closed very regularly?
Methinks it's important to remember that, much to my embarrassment, we have averaged one closed Evernight PvMP thread per year since launch. That's just going from the title Ultimate Evernight Thread: Evernight Strikes Back 6. Maybe there were more before I became a fulltime monster.
Keeping the levels of hate down can only be a good thing. Again, there is no reason for anyone to be reading the chat channels of the opposing side, though I'm sure people on both sides do.
Obviously, goblin scribes named Maude are exempt from any preferential non-hate treatment.
I think you may have mixed some things up there mate. It is not Valdez that has a brother playing this game in the room next to him, that is me. His name is Appy and he does play a hunter on occasion. That one is an elf however, not a hobbit. But he plays his warg mostly, grouping with me.
I fully agree with you that neither side should be told about what the other side is saying about them. It happens on occasion, sometimes whether we want it or not. I do not know if Valdez actively seeks to find out what is said about him on freep OOC, but I for one would prefer not to hear such things, for reasons I explained in posts above.
When I saw Nakah's post I thought he was referring to Vallard, a hobbit hunter who I often see afking outside GV (and I suppose a relatively similar name to Valdez, though a bit of a tenuous link). However I don't know if there's any link between Valdez and Vallard.
Nakah, like Heph said, don't have a brother nor a hunter for that matter.
Second, give me the time/date or forum line where i admit ooc spying.
Like i have said before, i dispise it.
I have gotten links of freep ooc trashtalking sent to me in tells, without asking them.
I honestly don't care what people write about me. If you hate, do so.
As for the your group part showing up.
You surely remember, creeps have ooc and other channels.
I don't know how good freep communication is, but if i have a group/raid and i or someone reads innour ooc: Freeps at tree, we go check it out. Or any given location.
If that is freep ooc spying, guess im guilty, right?
Serious question that demands a serious answer please.
Why am I watching freep groups, especially later at night, who have almost no chance of dying continue to play the safest kind of game they can? Huge amounts of heals, huge amounts of dps, enough cc to keep me grey barred half the time and still you're legging it back into EC at the first sign of trouble.
Two nights in a row some of the same folks doing the same thing, not to mention countless other occasions at any given time.
A lot of these people were on earlier in the night, why weren't you grouped up then and bringing the fight? Is the onus purely on Eve to disband raids but everyone else is still allowed to farm with impunity? Whilst at the same time leaving folks like myself to also disband groups, nevermind raids, if things are tough on freeps?
If your answer to any of the above is "but we fought in Tol and took it with npcs and creeps on us" then that should really give you an indication of how one-sided things were at that point. I just wish groups like these were manning up when there's actually decent opposition around.
Serious question that demands a serious answer please.
Why am I watching freep groups, especially later at night, who have almost no chance of dying continue to play the safest kind of game they can? Huge amounts of heals, huge amounts of dps, enough cc to keep me grey barred half the time and still you're legging it back into EC at the first sign of trouble.
Two nights in a row some of the same folks doing the same thing, not to mention countless other occasions at any given time.
A lot of these people were on earlier in the night, why weren't you grouped up then and bringing the fight? Is the onus purely on Eve to disband raids but everyone else is still allowed to farm with impunity? Whilst at the same time leaving folks like myself to also disband groups, nevermind raids, if things are tough on freeps?
If your answer to any of the above is "but we fought in Tol and took it with npcs and creeps on us" then that should really give you an indication of how one-sided things were at that point. I just wish groups like these were manning up when there's actually decent opposition around.
This happens most late nights unfortunately. Last week there was a total of 5 creeps on and still the freeps came with a 12 man raid. And even when it was obvious there was a big number difference the still stayed in raid.
So there I am , a solo creep( I will pause here that most freeps can look up the meaning of the word solo) looking for fights all around the map. Hoping to run into a freep that wont a) run for the hills or b) press the "oh &&&&" button and call in the zerg.
I walk over to a small rock close to TR and to my surprise its not a rock but (in my opinion) the best RK in the moors, Sir Attaris. So we have a go 1vs 1 and I know that it will probably end painfully for me because we all know that this dwarf has some serious heals. But I dont mind because its 1vs 1 and win or lose its fun. Suddenly ( and please note that at no stage I am blaming Attaris because I don't think he is that kind of player) the zerg shows up and splat..one dead spider.
This brings me to the following question....Is it so hard to resist zerging a solo creep, if you are really so badly in need of renown that you can not wait for this obvious 1vs 1 to finish? If you have to zerg, at least have the decency( again a small pause, hope you still have dictionary open)to wait for the fight to finish.
P.s I would like to thank Bashed for the 1vs 1 the other night ( I gave up after a while damn op warden ) and a special note for my old nemesis Steaknoob (joke). He always stays and fights when I catch him alone...not once has he ran from my warg or spider. This is more than I can say for allot of freeps. Dammit stay and fight, you might surprise yourself and win the damn fight.
This happens most late nights unfortunately. Last week there was a total of 5 creeps on and still the freeps came with a 12 man raid. And even when it was obvious there was a big number difference the still stayed in raid.
In fairness, it can sometimes be tricky to tell if everyone is grouped or raided. It's just that I used to love late night fights more than anything else. Just small groups battling it out.
I guess what I'm saying is -
1. Would it really hurt such bunches to stand and fight 'til the death and give back one kill for the ten they've just got on the rare occasion they actually get in trouble?
2. Why aren't these folks forming the backbone of groups and raids when there are decent groups to fight back? There's plenty of capable players and groups around after all.
So there I am , a solo creep( I will pause here that most freeps can look up the meaning of the word solo) looking for fights all around the map. Hoping to run into a freep that wont a) run for the hills or b) press the "oh &&&&" button and call in the zerg.
I walk over to a small rock close to TR and to my surprise its not a rock but (in my opinion) the best RK in the moors, Sir Attaris. So we have a go 1vs 1 and I know that it will probably end painfully for me because we all know that this dwarf has some serious heals. But I dont mind because its 1vs 1 and win or lose its fun. Suddenly ( and please note that at no stage I am blaming Attaris because I don't think he is that kind of player) the zerg shows up and splat..one dead spider.
This brings me to the following question....Is it so hard to resist zerging a solo creep, if you are really so badly in need of renown that you can not wait for this obvious 1vs 1 to finish? If you have to zerg, at least have the decency( again a small pause, hope you still have dictionary open)to wait for the fight to finish.
P.s I would like to thank Bashed for the 1vs 1 the other night ( I gave up after a while damn op warden ) and a special note for my old nemesis Steaknoob (joke). He always stays and fights when I catch him alone...not once has he ran from my warg or spider. This is more than I can say for allot of freeps. Dammit stay and fight, you might surprise yourself and win the damn fight.
This type of thing happens equally often to people on both sides - I get zerged by raids on a regular basis, and ganked by 3-6 man groups repeatedly. Champ is very overpowered with cooldowns so I'll usually still try to fight small groups solo, but increasingly often people will hips/sprint/burrow/evade, run to NPCs or run to keep back doors when fighting me with 3-6x the numbers. Most people just want easy infamy/renown with as little risk involved as possible.
In fairness, it can sometimes be tricky to tell if everyone is grouped or raided. It's just that I used to love late night fights more than anything else. Just small groups battling it out.
I guess what I'm saying is -
1. Would it really hurt such bunches to stand and fight 'til the death and give back one kill for the ten they've just got on the rare occasion they actually get in trouble?
2. Why aren't these folks forming the backbone of groups and raids when there are decent groups to fight back? There's plenty of capable players and groups around after all.
Those are to excellent questions Master Thingo..........questions to which I hope someone is honest enough to answer. But I do suspect that the problem lies in the word "death"....it seems that allot of players have a problem with dying ( maybe its an ego thing)
This type of thing happens equally often to people on both sides - I get zerged by raids on a regular basis, and ganked by 3-6 man groups repeatedly. Champ is very overpowered with cooldowns so I'll usually still try to fight small groups solo, but increasingly often people will hips/sprint/burrow/evade, run to NPCs or run to keep back doors when fighting me with 3-6x the numbers. Most people just want easy infamy/renown with as little risk involved as possible.
I get the group finding you in the fields and attacking thingy ( not saying its cool, but I get it). What I don't get is when you are actually busy 1vs1 with someone and suddenly everyone and his cousin jumps in to kill you.
I get my behind kick often but I don't scream out. I take my beating and get back in the fight...is it really that hard to do?
I get the group finding you in the fields and attacking thingy ( not saying its cool, but I get it). What I don't get is when you are actually busy 1vs1 with someone and suddenly everyone and his cousin jumps in to kill you.
I get my behind kick often but I don't scream out. I take my beating and get back in the fight...is it really that hard to do?
Again, you think this is a creep vs freep thing? It happens to solo freeps just as much (though the vast majority of people I come across won't even attempt to fight 1v1 and just immediately run - understandable for lower ranks, but I can say for sure that at least 4/6 creep classes can beat a champ that doesn't pop cooldowns 1v1... warg/BA I'm not sure about, mostly because there are never any good wargs/BAs willing to fight 1v1).
I am one of the few people who will watch a fair 1v1 instead of joining in (unless more creeps show up, of course), but like I said, most people just want easy infamy/renown.
Thats a good question. Sometimes, -and I think this happened to almost all people- we found 1 creep and 1 freep fighting alone. In that moment, we dont know if its a spar or a fight. I remember some day I saw in front of TR Sneakly fighting against Kiisseli reaver. That time I left both guys finished combat, but it wasnt spar. When I asked Sneakly for that he told me that wasnt spar. Well, I prefer to kiel a creep in that case than stay in my horse watching how a freep comrade dies.
The last I want is to give free infamy to a creep. I prefer break a possible spar than let die a freep. When u finish to kiel creep then you can ask. For that reason, its very important we all go to spar zones when we want to spar. Some years ago we used to spar with friends at fields, so that situation isnt new for us.
Btw and talking about Torhowls post, I am agree. But I hate a lot when I am fighting with some creep/creeps, and suddenly, when I am almost dead a warg breakes its stealth behind me and finishes the job. Typically easy job, but some wargs likes to say its a very tactic movement zS I suppose some burglars plays similar way, when I talk about wargs, it is good to talk about all stealthy classes.
But Rejit, even if the freep dies, its still a 1v1, and if theres nobody else attacking those 2 fighting, why not let those two fight it out? On thuesday, it was lug gy fight, me and Jinx moved away from the gy, 5 Freeps followed me, Narghast, Embolo and some others. One of them, a loremaster attacked me and i went after him, rest of the freeps And Jinx Decided to sit it out, i got the lm. He was ressed after me and Jinx went on our way. These are the kind of small things that show respect to the other side. Sure, they killed me alot after that, but then there was other creeps aswell.So, i would like to pay my respects to those people, it was a nice gesture. Ty!
But Rejit, even if the freep dies, its still a 1v1, and if theres nobody else attacking those 2 fighting, why not let those two fight it out?
On thuesday, it was lug gy fight, me and Jinx moved away from the gy, 5 Freeps followed me, Narghast, Embolo and some others. One of them, a loremaster attacked me and i went after him, rest of the freeps And Jinx Decided to sit it out, i got the lm. He was ressed after me and Jinx went on our way. These are the kind of small things that show respect to the other side. Sure, they killed me alot after that, but then there was other creeps aswell.
So, i would like to pay my respects to those people, it was a nice gesture. Ty!
I'm sorry about yesterday but i keep crashing as my cable company has an leakin cable outside my house and they cannot fix it till next friday so untell then my signal is weak and i wont be able to lead much. Was good action yesterday and we managed to get creeps lost into dof wich give us the time we needed to retake our relic after that i started rebading like hell and was unable to lead.
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