Thread: The most disappointing thing about PvMP for me..

..is the utter lack of any dev response to anything posted here in the PvMP forums. I understand that devs are reluctant to post here, predominantly because we're not exactly the kindest, sweetest group of people to deal with. However, a lot of that is because we do feel neglected.

I went back 3-4 pages in the dev tracker, and if it doesn't have anything to with the store, bullroarer or festival #### then devs just simply do not care. We all know you're not working to actually fix anything, so at least pop in and say hi once in awhile. Lets us know you're at least aware of the issues and willing to take some of the constructive feedback that is posted here once in awhile into consideration for future updates.

Minority or not - I don't care. I've got ~2 mil renown/infamy invested into PvMP. It's a large part of the game for me as well as many others. We deserve some attention. I don't want to go to another game. LOTRO PvMP has a solid foundation and has the potential to be really great, but buggy updates and wtfweretheythinking balance issues continue to drive more and more people away from the 'moors that many of us still want to enjoy so badly.

Last chance for me personally. Do something big. Do it right. Get involved with your PvMP community here. Give me (us?) a reason to stay.

Concluding that the devs don't care because they don't post is a non sequitur.

Originally Posted by Nakiami

Concluding that the devs don't care because they don't post is a non sequitur.

It's also based off the fact that they have stated the game is pve and don't balance/fix anything for at least 1 update if then.

Can't find the quote of a dev saying, about 2 weeks before an update went live, that they knew of the pot bug and didn't care enough to fix it that update (paraphrasing a bit)...

Originally Posted by Nakiami

Concluding that the devs don't care because they don't post is a non sequitur.

You missed the point of the thread.

Yep. I think the pvp community would be significantly more happy if someone just communicated with us, regardless of anything being changed.

I really thought Kelsen was going to be the savior of lotro pvp, but with the lack of engagement with the community and all around ignoring the forums...I thought wrong.

The ONLY evidence we have of mods and devs reading the forums are when threads get closed or deleted...

The way I see it Turbine needs to have ONLY two options.

1) Admit to the community the direction PvMP is going right now is the way they intend (force creeps to buy everything to have a chance), or

2)Man up and admit to the community they screwed up and have neglected this side game the last 5 years and they are going to put in the effort and resources to amend their wrongs.

Both of these options let's us (the paying customers) know what we need to do, either say goodbye or hang in there for better things to come.

I have a great idea for the devs-Stop listening to mass freep whining whenever creeps get something remotely good.

Originally Posted by OnevsOneGod

I have a great idea for the devs-Stop listening to mass freep whining whenever creeps get something remotely good.

I don't think freep whining has anything to do with it. Our devs ignore the entire PvMP commmunity - both freeps and creeps.

The problem is new skills and other class changes are made with no regard at how they'll impact the 'moors. There is already a system in place where certain items and skills either don't work or work differently within the 'moors. This system greately needs to be expanded upon and put to better use.

Originally Posted by aad0italian

1) Admit to the community the direction PvMP is going right now is the way they intend (force creeps to buy everything to have a chance), or

2)Man up and admit to the community they screwed up and have neglected this side game the last 5 years and they are going to put in the effort and resources to amend their wrongs.

Both of these options let's us (the paying customers) know what we need to do, either say goodbye or hang in there for better things to come.

Ehm,that would be counter productive for their Money income tho

As long as they leave you hanging there,always throwing out bits of : we look into it,we work on it,we know what u want etc. players will play and pay. If they say : we wont fix things its as it is and we want it to be like that,players leave = less money,not what turbine wants..

Originally Posted by Cillion

As long as they leave you hanging there,always throwing out bits of : we look into it,we work on it,we know what u want etc. players will play and pay.

Furthermore now they dont say even this, they only keep silence like they dont even care.

Im really curious what will PvErs do if Rohan once again comes as an expansion without a proper raid and new instances.

[GlobalLFF]: GB all 3 lvl 85 5/6 need healer, come get your S5M.

Funny thing is that there always will be righteous defenders: Nobody promised you that!!! Why will they do that?? Be happy that you got this, 50 years ago people would be happy to play this!!! Turbine owes you nothing!!! Ofcourse there are bugs, this game is only 5 years old, people give them time!!!

"we can't accurately reward you for time spent so herpa derpa diddly doo we ain't gonna"
>paraphrased response about rank rewards

neato, wish they'd said that years ago.

Originally Posted by DreagonMK

I don't think freep whining has anything to do with it. Our devs ignore the entire PvMP commmunity - both freeps and creeps.

Revenge and Blight were working perfectly fine but freeps didn't want to learn how to counter them in the first two weeks so cried a river.

I'm going to keep saying this until I get banned or something ...

Please Do Not Pre order ROR Expansion!

Give them a reason to fix their s***!

It may not be much, but it's something. Personally I think my time is up soon, but GL to all.

Originally Posted by StoneSpeak101

I'm going to keep saying this until I get banned or something ...

Please Do Not Pre order ROR Expansion!

Give them a reason to fix their s***!

It may not be much, but it's something. Personally I think my time is up soon, but GL to all.

They'll still keep on getting revenue due to the insane amount of P2W in the store.

I've said it 1000 times, and I'll say it again, Turbine will notice a decrease in revenue when GW2 comes out.

The line they officially use is that posting on the PVMP forums would just 'cause more trouble'. What that actually means is that they don't do anything that they could post about.

It is sad that Turbine and the Devs ignore (or at least seem to ignore) the cries for balanced pvp. Both sides have been asking for it for a long time now, and still nothing has been done to fix the problem. The problem hasn't even been acknowledged. As someone has said earlier, the only evidence that any higher up people are actually reading the posts is from them closing threads and deleting posts.

Turbine has PvP just where they want it to be. They to force us to buy things from the Store (mainly talking about creeps here) that are necessary to pvp. It is just a cash-making system. It is sad, and I wish this weren't true, but the silence of the devs and Turbine on this issue makes it seem more and more true.

Originally Posted by StoneSpeak101

I'm going to keep saying this until I get banned or something ...

Please Do Not Pre order ROR Expansion!

Give them a reason to fix their s***!

It may not be much, but it's something. Personally I think my time is up soon, but GL to all.

They would have no reason to ban you for that, except maybe the use of the expletive. You have the right to 'vote with your wallet' as it were and you also have the right to voice your opinion so long as you are not directly attacking a person or saying anything 'inappropriate'. Personally I do not understand why anyone actually holds out much hope for LOTRO PvMP, sure Turbine has done some work on it recently but almost everything they do just makes both the Creeps and Freeps mad. Honestly if Turbine would just completely ignore both Creep and Freep Whining and just balance the creeps based on the freeps at each level cap, that way there would be no need to remove/alter skills, just make it so the creeps can counter them somehow, via tactics or some skill.