Thread: Zerging

Why is it every time I log in the creeps have a raid going? Why is it that every time we try to stay away from the zerg the zerg comes looking for us (us being me and the 1 or 2 people I'm grouped with)? Why is it that a small group on creep side seems to be 6-12 creeps? Why is it that there is always a warg pack that doesn't even stick around and try to fight us and never attacks unless they have a major advantage? Why is it that the creeps enjoy zerg farming keeps over and over again so much? Why is it that every time the creeps disappear for 10min they come back with even more numbers? Why is it that most creeps rather spend a bunch of TP on in combat brands, pots, skills, broken leg immunity, tracks, etc... then get better at their classes?


This isn't a rant thread I just really want to know ### happened that made the moors so bad (other then turbine).

I'm just curious if the creeps realize this is what they are doing all the time (and yes I know the freeps do it as well...though I haven't been on for it). Do you creeps actually have fun rolling a few freeps at a time then zerg farming keeps all night? Does this happen all the time or only when I log in?


Actually this is a rant thread. I'm sick of this "lets all form a giant group to combat the 10 freeps" ####. With the amount of high rank creeps I see I think they should be able to figure it out without a giant raid all the time (or 2 raids!) that all stick together.

I got to say I am happy to see so many creeps come out and have people to lead them. To bad most of them only show up when the creeps already have a little edge (easy moders...).

Originally Posted by Slin6

Why is it every time I log in the freeps have a raid going? Why is it that every time we try to stay away from the zerg the zerg comes looking for us (us being me and the 1 or 2 people I'm grouped with)? Why is it that a small group on freep side seems to be 6-12 freeps? Why is it that there is always a burg pack that doesn't even stick around and try to fight us and never attacks unless they have a major advantage? Why is it that the freeps enjoy zerg farming keeps over and over again so much? Why is it that every time the freeps disappear for 10min they come back with even more numbers? Why is it that most freeps rather spend a bunch of TP on in combat brands, pots, skills, broken leg immunity, tracks, etc... then get better at their classes?


This isn't a rant thread I just really want to know ### happened that made the moors so bad (other then turbine).

I'm just curious if the freeps realize this is what they are doing all the time (and yes I know the creeps do it as well...though I haven't been on for it). Do you freeps actually have fun rolling a few creeps at a time then zerg farming keeps all night? Does this happen all the time or only when I log in?


Actually this is a rant thread. I'm sick of this "lets all form a giant group to combat the 10 creeps" ####. With the amount of high rank freeps I see I think they should be able to figure it out without a giant raid all the time (or 2 raids!) that all stick together.

I got to say I am happy to see so many freeps come out and have people to lead them. To bad most of them only show up when the freeps already have a little edge (easy moders...).

Fixed it for ya

Originally Posted by Slin6

Why is it every time I log in the creeps have a raid going? Why is it that every time we try to stay away from the zerg the zerg comes looking for us (us being me and the 1 or 2 people I'm grouped with)? Why is it that a small group on creep side seems to be 6-12 creeps? Why is it that there is always a warg pack that doesn't even stick around and try to fight us and never attacks unless they have a major advantage? Why is it that the creeps enjoy zerg farming keeps over and over again so much? Why is it that every time the creeps disappear for 10min they come back with even more numbers? Why is it that most creeps rather spend a bunch of TP on in combat brands, pots, skills, broken leg immunity, tracks, etc... then get better at their classes?
...).

I don't have answers for all the questions but most PVPers play both sides and log into the side that has the advantage. The Moors is war so Sun Tsu's Art of War principles apply. Mainly, if you can't be there first with the most, don't fight. There is no honor in war except in classic literature.

i agree.. i dont know why creeps sometimes just group up to kill like 5 freeps SOLO is so pathetic. anyway freeps sometimes do the same,maybe they do that because they only want points, nothing more.
right now we have more raid zerg leaders than before,so zergs will happen more often.

and everyone wants to win so they use store to do that! 1 day i just jumped wtab to get ppl with broken legs... but everyone was with the broken leg immunity thing, lol was funny... but not for me.
oh almost forgot! you whine too much, oziris and gnjida dont even play anymore!




(sorry about my english)

Originally Posted by landrau

oh almost forgot! you whine too much, oziris and gnjida dont even play anymore!

I couldn't even tell you what class either of them were. I played against them maybe just a few times and they left no impression on me.

Personally i like open feild fights rvr so i try to stay away from zerging soloer's as i move my raid but nothing i can do when half my raid goes off and kills something solo, i can yell at em but the freep that got killed just thinks its a zerg and generalizes all the creeps as "zergers" you being grade A example. i get smashed by small groups and called out none stop when i play solo but i dnt come on the forums and complain, i just deal with it... Theirs no answer to your rant...and i really dnt see you out that much so i dnt what goes on when you play

The easymoding freeps encourage the easymoding creeps. The other day my group of 6 creeps (me being highest. the others were R0-4) took on an even number of freeps. Many hunters like to sit with all the others and run at first sign of danger.

Too many times I see a stand still of even #s and when it's even #s freeps have an advantage. Freeps just sit there and are in the mindset "it's even numbers, why won't creeps push?!?!" Yeah, too bad even numbers doesn't equate to an even fight. Freeps > creeps for pretty much everything unless freeps are simply that poor (majority are)

Originally Posted by mald123

Personally i like open feild fights rvr so i try to stay away from zerging soloer's as i move my raid but nothing i can do when half my raid goes off and kills something solo, i can yell at em but the freep that got killed just thinks its a zerg and generalizes all the creeps as "zergers" you being grade A example. i get smashed by small groups and called out none stop when i play solo but i dnt come on the forums and complain, i just deal with it... Theirs no answer to your rant...and i really dnt see you out that much so i dnt what goes on when you play

I'm not talking about creeps killing off a few straggling freeps at the main fight. That is expected and uncontrollable. I'm talking about a raid/group of creeps leaving the main fight just to go kill a few freeps off doing there own thing.

I understand people are going get called out. It is going happen but it just happens much much more now then it ever has. It sucks when you have a choice of going to a keep where the creeps keep zerging with twice the numbers then sit outside for 10min waiting for something to happen then do it again or going off and getting zerged trying to find another fight.

Why wouldn't I generalize creeps as zergers? I'm sure there are some (other then taburz) that do there own thing but not when I'm out there. If it is all I see I don't see why I shouldn't generalize.

Askir, when I go out to PvP I typically don't know more then a few freeps out. From what I've seen most of them don't really know what they are doing and typically just get farmed. With the exceptions of burgs/hnts/minstrels I don't notice many freeps who consistently come back.

I haven't seen even numbers much but it wouldn't surprise me to see those freeps sit around waiting. The freeps could roll them but a bunch of ungrouped freeps with no FF or heals will still lose to a grouped up creep group with some organization (in the current state of the moors).

Don't get me started on hunters. These hnt's are worse then ever! They sit back and just try to blow something up in 3 hits (and it works)...I really didn't think the class could get much easier. For the most part all the hunters just want to nuke a creep and won't have it any other way.

When I have seen close to even numbers though or after the creeps take a wipe they usually sit up at NPC's. I find it funny how a full raid or creeps wipes after zerging tr 4 times (so they basically wiped because of npc's only) and then they go sit in OC or TA until the freeps push up to find they are still outnumbered 2:1.

um didnt i see you today in TA with 23 friends(loose use of the term) ZERGING..
and before the hate starts yes i have killed 67,000 freeps all zerged

everybody zergs, everybody.

I honestly believe that most ppl in raids dont view it as zerging when they are the ones getting the kills. When i run into OC to clear out the npcs so the remaining freeps can finish off all the creeps inside; it is no different than when Smegg does the same to EC. Of course i enjoy it a lot more at OC. =D

However, I see the overall problem as there being groups when there doesnt need to be. ive seen constant freeps asking for groups in ooc, when there is no need for one. When that happens, i, along with other freeps, try to inform them that if they do so, it is most likely that the remaining creeps will log. And what freep likes a creepless moors? (and vice versa)

It is also the same the other way around, when there are 5-10 solo freeps in the moors, i dont find it necessary for there to be a constantly growing craid rolling over every freep in sight. It just isnt good for either side, unless your overall goal is to pve.

It would be nice if groups, especially raids in particular, would only be formed when they are necessary. RvR fights are a blast! But a full raid against a bunch of solos? I cant expect the solos to stick around.

I hope to believe that most pvpers want a good fight; given the fact that they are the most competitive, as well as the most productive when it comes to renown/infamy gains. I know its a long shot, but if we could keep it balanced to a point where both sides are getting a satisfying amount of kills, i think it would be more enjoyable for everyone. This is Vilya, so we have to create good fights because of our population disadvantage.

So if a fraid is beating down on a craid, why not have the fraid split into 2 groups? Did some ppl log? jump over and let the opposing side know so we can do what we can to balance it.

A balanced, constantly action packed moors is every pvpers dream, at least its mine. But if we cant have that, lets at least do our best to make it that way when we do have a decent population out.

-Invoke

P.S. the current freeps that come out may not be the best, or the most skilled, but i know that with experience comes skill. I appreciate their willingness to come out and learn. I know ive learned a lot about my classes potential through the 7 ranks ive surpassed, is there more i have to learn? Of course! Will i improve? I sure hope so! Hehe

well they need to put back the 30minutes creep/freep flip. i know of a few that flip to the side
with more numers to get easy points. a certain cappy/ba is banned from my raids for leaving
my raid and appearing on the other side 1 minute later. and as to raid size.. i do limit my group's
only open the group up to a full raid when i know numbers are out. sometimes its hard. frizz pops
out with a few and if its not going well he runs away. so numbers may be in-balanced for a while.
but then i just park in grams disband and tell everyone to wait 20minutes to see if they get more
numbers and start again.

So question. Yesterday the Freeps run the map blue and then hold us to a grams camp? We finally form up and we are zergers now?

i dont know if i was there ( i am elryam) but that fight was ok freeps was solo or small groups but winning then freeps lost numbers and died ok.
but sometimes from nothing creeps group up to kill what 3 in stab? 5 in EC? why group up to fight a non group? and sorry smegg but what you said is BS. if you see a RK solo you start a raid,also sometimes you stay zerging the same small group until they log. how i know? i play creepside and played with you.park at grams lol

Originally Posted by RODOLITCH

um didnt i see you today in TA with 23 friends(loose use of the term) ZERGING..
and before the hate starts yes i have killed 67,000 freeps all zerged

Yea and I was bitching in OOC about half the time about them zerging. They would go inside then stand there like standing inside TA after slowly clearing NPC's was any different from them standing on stab (which they did for 20min before we finally got them to move in). Then they get inside and don't push up at all. On top of all that it was just an epic fail of a zerg because they hardly got any kills outside a few little creeps.

The 30min timer really should be brought back. It really is noticeable on freep side that we have some flippers and it hurts the quality of fighting. 2 people flipping from freep to creep may not seem like much but that is basically giving the creeps 4 more then the freeps have (-2freeps +2creeps).

Yea I completely agree everyone zergs. Sometimes it is needed and sometimes it is even fun. Even though the main fight zerg style thing isn't my kind of PvP I can't complain if others like the 24/7 zerg. My complaint is the specific things I'm bitching about. I know it isn't always controllable and is mostly turbines fault but come on...its bad.

Datmaldid what you are referring to happened after this thread was posted...Do you want me to go back in time and change what I say now or something? When I was out there was no grams camp at all. With the exception of a few short fights at OC everything was in TA. I understand sometimes numbers just get big or one side rolls the other and though I dislike it that isn't what I'm trying to complain about. I just dislike how it is done and how often. Sorry freeps rolled the map and camped grams I guess...


The park in grams and such and afk is really frustrating to play against. Nothing to fight but some creeps held up in a keep everyone gets steam rolled by 20 creeps. That just makes freeps leave and no want to play.

The nature of an open-world PvP zone is going to be that the side with more numbers will almost always impose their will on those with fewer numbers. It can be frustrated to get rolled by a group with twice your numbers, but that's life. It can be extremely frustrating, but saying one side does it and the other doesn't is just not quite right in my estimation.

Originally Posted by vertigo07

The nature of an open-world PvP zone is going to be that the side with more numbers will almost always impose their will on those with fewer numbers. It can be frustrated to get rolled by a group with twice your numbers, but that's life. It can be extremely frustrating, but saying one side does it and the other doesn't is just not quite right in my estimation.

I don't think anyone has said "one side does it". As I have said both sides do it but when I'm out it is mostly creeps doing it. The argument could easily be made that one side does it more then the other. The creeps typically have more then the freeps so they have the zerg more. The creeps are grouped up a lot and from what I've seen the freeps don't group to often and when they do it is a smaller group that doesn't seem very organized.

I also want to add that since I've started playing creeps traditionally zerg a lot more then freeps (including all the time I've spent over there...not just my view from fighting them). Creep classes have been built for PvP and basically to zerg (warg stealth, reaver charge, fire dot, bubble). Freeps have been built more zergy in the past few years but in the past I thought it was obvious creeps were meant to zerg.

I still stand strong with the opinion the current zerging is on a larger scale and more often then it has been in the past. Maybe I have bad luck but it is always a zerg when I log on.

BTW since I figure most of us define zerg differently these are my definitions.

Running in and killing 1 or 2 players then running away quickly.
Running into and out of a keep without clearing or intent of staying just to kill some players.
Bringing in a much larger force to kill a few players.
Anytime one side has superior numbers and comes down on a much lesser force.

Originally Posted by timmyloo22546

The easymoding freeps encourage the easymoding creeps. The other day my group of 6 creeps (me being highest. the others were R0-4) took on an even number of freeps. Many hunters like to sit with all the others and run at first sign of danger.

Too many times I see a stand still of even #s and when it's even #s freeps have an advantage. Freeps just sit there and are in the mindset "it's even numbers, why won't creeps push?!?!" Yeah, too bad even numbers doesn't equate to an even fight. Freeps > creeps for pretty much everything unless freeps are simply that poor (majority are)

hmm, seen that scenario many times and I'm incredulous because I've seen it when there's 2 defilers with 4 creeps against 6 freeps with no healers all ungrouped and the grouped creeps sit in the keep or wait for npcs. Seen Rash/Smegg parked in OC with equal #s and plenty o healers. So your case may or may not be true but freeps are upset when it's CLEARLY evenly matched and they still end up pushing, then usually npc aggro followed by creep push, followed by freep death followed by complaints in OOC.

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

hmm, seen that scenario many times and I'm incredulous because I've seen it when there's 2 defilers with 4 creeps against 6 freeps with no healers all ungrouped and the grouped creeps sit in the keep or wait for npcs. Seen Rash/Smegg parked in OC with equal #s and plenty o healers. So your case may or may not be true but freeps are upset when it's CLEARLY evenly matched and they still end up pushing, then usually npc aggro followed by creep push, followed by freep death followed by complaints in OOC.

The last couple of weeks Creeps have being pushing into freep NPC's and Keeps when the numbers have been close. I have been in a decent amount of SMEGG's raids and groups and when freeps log or thin out we disband or take some keeps back and disband. With Zergs. Come out of the keep an open field and there won't be zergs. obviously if you wipe horribly then sit in some NPC's but then you must expect a zergish approach.

Pibb. Would like more clarification on 6 ungrouped freeps with no healers. So No minnies or cappy's or LM's? So 3 hunters and 3 heavys ? Where there two Double bubble champs? 2 burgs maybe? Freeps don't always need healers. You statement applies for freeps and creeps. You never seen a groupe of Freeps in EC siting in NPC's? It works both ways so I think your point is moot.

Basically the moors swings from Excessive freeps to excessive creeps and that will always be. Everyone has their own opinion and tend to lash out because what they beleive is correct. you have soloer's, raid babies, groupers, questers etc.... This fairytail of the perfect amount vs the perfect amount will never come to be so we try to balance. It's not always fair when it's 12 v 12 or 18 v 17 etc...it will always depend on class and rank make up. Sometimes it's good to get zerged... I get mad and we try to overcome (Sometimes it's just feeding the other side) but it's what make us hunt the other side down.

I think the state of the moors has steadily been getting better over the last month or so an hope the amount of creeps/freeps continue to come out. I hope the forums pick up as well with some friendly banter to stoke the fire (not getting to out of control.. it is just a game).

end rantish post..

Originally Posted by DATmadild

The last couple of weeks Creeps have being pushing into freep NPC's and Keeps when the numbers have been close. I have been in a decent amount of SMEGG's raids and groups and when freeps log or thin out we disband or take some keeps back and disband. With Zergs. Come out of the keep an open field and there won't be zergs. obviously if you wipe horribly then sit in some NPC's but then you must expect a zergish approach.

Pibb. Would like more clarification on 6 ungrouped freeps with no healers. So No minnies or cappy's or LM's? So 3 hunters and 3 heavys ? Where there two Double bubble champs? 2 burgs maybe? Freeps don't always need healers. You statement applies for freeps and creeps. You never seen a groupe of Freeps in EC siting in NPC's? It works both ways so I think your point is moot.

Basically the moors swings from Excessive freeps to excessive creeps and that will always be. Everyone has their own opinion and tend to lash out because what they beleive is correct. you have soloer's, raid babies, groupers, questers etc.... This fairytail of the perfect amount vs the perfect amount will never come to be so we try to balance. It's not always fair when it's 12 v 12 or 18 v 17 etc...it will always depend on class and rank make up. Sometimes it's good to get zerged... I get mad and we try to overcome (Sometimes it's just feeding the other side) but it's what make us hunt the other side down.

I think the state of the moors has steadily been getting better over the last month or so an hope the amount of creeps/freeps continue to come out. I hope the forums pick up as well with some friendly banter to stoke the fire (not getting to out of control.. it is just a game).

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Are considering an LM a healer? I understand they are quite useful but as the only healer in a group it wouldn't help much with heals (morale heals).

Um 6 creeps with 2 healers against 6 freeps with no healers or FF... the creeps should be winning. Assuming the creeps are of average rank and the freeps of average gear/skill the creeps should roll them. Obviously in odd situations it changes but for the most part the organized side with the healers should be winning. The current balance issue isn't that bad (unless they are maxed out freeps). To say freeps do not need heals is just ignorant.

I see the creeps sitting in NPC's all the time with superior numbers and firepower. I understand though that 99.9% of time they are just taking an afk or waiting for someone to get back. I'm sure I ##### about superior numbers sitting in a keep from time to time (cause it is annoying as ####) but I understand why it is done.

I gotta say I do see these creeps raids sit to deep in NPC's and play a little to conservative at times when they are on the defense. They have been fairly aggressive offensively (props for that) but when they are on the defense they are overly conservative. For instance if the freeps were able to wipe them open field but the factors are fairly close (numbers, skill, firepower..etc..) the creeps will sit back as far as they can and won't pounce till they have a guaranteed wipe. I haven't been out for many pushes into creep keeps lately but when I have they haven't been much fun and the only thing that dies are freeps and lowly creeps.

I would say in the past month PvP has been getting worse. Numbers seem to be coming but the quality isn't nearly there yet. Hopefully soon....

If I transfer back Imma be rolling the zerglings solo.
No offense to the zerglings, of course.

Originally Posted by Buttkickington

If I transfer back Imma be rolling the zerglings solo.
No offense to the zerglings, of course.

1. I thought you quit the game for the 10th time?
2. Didn't know you played a firebat in a bunker!

In regards to the zerging... etc... I don't think it's the reason for the current lack of 'competitive pvp'... zerging has always been in lotro pvp (remember it was intended game play for creepside back in SOA... numbers to win!)... but it was effectively countered by better group play, currently I believe there is a lack of a solid core/group of players that continually/constantly play the game (freep or creep)... and in turn teach others how to play and optimize their classes in many 'settings.' It's the result of population and player turn over... which happens in all pvp games, even ones that receive actual updates to the zone and classes every month! OMFG NO WAY!? So how do we make gameplay more exciting? Turn the casual pvpers (99% of the Vilya population) into hardcore elitist @sshats!

Originally Posted by Turin_Turambar_The_F

1. I thought you quit the game for the 10th time?
2. Didn't know you played a firebat in a bunker!

In regards to the zerging... etc... I don't think it's the reason for the current lack of 'competitive pvp'... zerging has always been in lotro pvp (remember it was intended game play for creepside back in SOA... numbers to win!)... but it was effectively countered by better group play, currently I believe there is a lack of a solid core/group of players that continually/constantly play the game (freep or creep)... and in turn teach others how to play and optimize their classes in many 'settings.' It's the result of population and player turn over... which happens in all pvp games, even ones that receive actual updates to the zone and classes every month! OMFG NO WAY!? So how do we make gameplay more exciting? Turn the casual pvpers (99% of the Vilya population) into hardcore elitist @sshats!

I'm not done quitting this game just yet.

I've solo'd multiple hunters on my R6 warg with no pay2win skills and no audacity (I don't even have a warg stance, lol). Earlier I solo'd a R8 hunter on my R4 BA with no pay2win skills or audacity and my evade was on cooldown so I couldn't use it. All these hunters are looking for easy points. They hug the group and have no clue how to play if they're being attacked. Their strategy is to run at first sign of being attacked and hope others are around to help.

Whenever I'm out there the freeps (75% hunters) might be solo but they stick together cuz they can't solo and need people to leech off. Plus if there is a stand off there are many greenies dumb enough to die over and over and provide easy renown...hence why so many easy-moding hunters are out.

Originally Posted by timmyloo22546

I've solo'd multiple hunters on my R6 warg with no pay2win skills and no audacity (I don't even have a warg stance, lol). Earlier I solo'd a R8 hunter on my R4 BA with no pay2win skills or audacity and my evade was on cooldown so I couldn't use it. All these hunters are looking for easy points. They hug the group and have no clue how to play if they're being attacked. Their strategy is to run at first sign of being attacked and hope others are around to help.

Whenever I'm out there the freeps (75% hunters) might be solo but they stick together cuz they can't solo and need people to leech off. Plus if there is a stand off there are many greenies dumb enough to die over and over and provide easy renown...hence why so many easy-moding hunters are out.

You couldn't have solo'd Crytical, Ailious, Smugo, and others like them without a stance. If you have I tip my hat to you.

Not everybody zergs, Juppy. Cornbread doesn't unless there is such a thing as the one-man zerg!

But most everybody else! I think there are different types of players but the overall behavior is pretty similar. Some people like more balanced fights which last longer and some people just grab points however they can. Some even like to push the other side off the map to stroke their ego. After all the whining though, nothing changes. It is just a game, so who cares.

Viva Vilya!

When im out leading i know i try to find the smegg raids open field, i do my best to make it a good fight for you all! im not a brilliant leader and i know sometimes i get it wrong but we all do! I particularly enjoyed swords raid we fought near GTA in the woods last week, both sides lost people but the FF still kept going, we had fun, i don't enjoy zerging TA and OC and when the fight seems to keep going to say, OC, i try to hold back from camping OC and im shouted at in OOC for 'playing wrong'

All i wanna do is give the creeps a chance to come out for a fair fight, i hated the sabozerg, king rashkosh zerger of solo's in EC. I appreciate the numbers difference but when i see creeps outnumbering freeps 2:1 i question why they hide in TA? it feels like they need the npcs, and then they realise they don't, come out and flank the group of unsuspecting freeps, get some moral, and start pushing out again. Ive fought in a red map more so than flipping it blue to make it harder for us because we have fewer places to run and hide in. No, i don't enjoy being rolled over the map cuz the creeps have gotten all of the keeps, but i like the added challenge. I understand as a minstrel, the 'op' argument comes up, so i try to make it atleast more even from myself, i don't use incombat brands, or brands at all for that matter, or pots, only morale + power pots, no immunities, and yeah, in most cases it makes me lose. Id rather die cuz i didn't brand myself to a win than beat a creep whose making the use of his/her skills.

AS A RULE, normally i never flip lugz, i use to, i didn't like the outcome, i stopped doing it, only times ive broken that is when TR is red, usually anyway. I know what grams/gv camps are like, and ive only went grams camping something like 3 times in the last 3-4 weeks despite the huge opportunities i had to make it happen, and mostly to deny raelith his smack talking pet spider -kidding.-

Im not ranting, and i know when i say 'flank' i make it out to be a bad tactic, sometimes its a dirty one :P, but it is a tactic that will be used and i enjoy it when smegg keeps flanking :P adds some excitement when the rest are hiding in OC.

Also as a rule, splay should be banned from hiding in grams when the creeps outnumber freeps one thing i love about splay is the amount of times TR is flipped red and you find him standing upstairs waiting to be discovered, then when it goes blue hes off to grams

I suppose a general statement to what im talking about is, i enjoy RvR, but i don't enjoy the NPC dependency, i want to have an enjoyable open field, heck last night smegg didn't even outnumber us and we lost, although i do put that, as i was told rightly in tells, the healers wern't doing there job properly, we had minis in WS and blah, in a fight like that we know everyones gotta pull the classes respectable roll, so when they don't it makes the fight less fun, feels like a zerg when it shouldn't be.

I would suggest an organised RvR when we know the majority on both sides are on, and i understand this is going to be hard to get right as a plan. I know Smegg is always on creep side late at night for me but im always on to, and we both do lead the freeps/creeps, and i know when smeggs not around swordmonkey does a good bit of very well raid leading to. i do give respect, even if smeggs a dirty zerger defiler xD.

Also, loving how the wargs are constantly grouped up, I remember the days when thagak solo'ed. :P

Also, one last thing. +rep to broodlust for saving the reaver who didn't help you try to kill me!

But yeah, i dislike zerging keeps, i try to avoid it, i do it if i have to, sometimes its just unavoidable, but ill play my way, not the way im told to.

Edit: With regards to hunters 'standing at the back' i know i never do that ;P i think any creep will tell u im the most idiotic hunter whose always at the front. However in comparison, if a hunter is at the front he is the first target, and to squishy to survive an open craid attack. Hunters at the back get to do, what is in theory anyways, the ranged job of shooting arrows at everyone :P Just wanted to add that

I just make it a point to carry lube around with me if I'm running about solo.....

i zerg, and have zerged, therefore i am.....





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I dnt get why everyone always brings up Splay....i run with him all the time and he is NOT at grams or red tr. You guys just like to talk #### and its funny as hell....Splays a beast. Bring on the trolls...GO!!

Originally Posted by mald123

I dnt get why everyone always brings up Splay....i run with him all the time and he is NOT at grams or red tr. You guys just like to talk #### and its funny as hell....Splays a beast. Bring on the trolls...GO!!

Don't act like Splay is innocent, he talks #### just as everyone else does. I liked him before he trolled me about "spending more time in the rez than on the battlefield."

I didnt say he was innocent. I said when i see him hes fighting so all you who dnt know him but hate him and talk ####, your just followers...haha. He has his own problems with people and i dnt give #### about them. I just think its funny how SO many people do the same thing that everyone hates on Splay for...but they just talk #### about him. People are just idoits..but hey w/o the trash talk their would be no entertainment.....right?

Originally Posted by mald123

People are just 'idoits'..but hey w/o the trash talk their would be no entertainment.....right?

Did you just transfer to Vilya? The answer is of course! The trash talk has been relatively light compared to how it was... mainly due to that other forum... Also, props for backing up what you said last night Sword... I know it wasn't all that fun, but at least you tried with what you had. /salute

Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth

i zerg, and have zerged, therefore i am.....





on vilya

+rep

awsome

Originally Posted by Slin6

Are considering an LM a healer? I understand they are quite useful but as the only healer in a group it wouldn't help much with heals (morale heals).

Um 6 creeps with 2 healers against 6 freeps with no healers or FF... the creeps should be winning. Assuming the creeps are of average rank and the freeps of average gear/skill the creeps should roll them. Obviously in odd situations it changes but for the most part the organized side with the healers should be winning. The current balance issue isn't that bad (unless they are maxed out freeps). To say freeps do not need heals is just ignorant.....

My point as you say depends on who the creeps are and who the freeps are. Your assuming average rank etcc.. thats excately, what if it two ranked champs and 3 hunters with a LM ... just saying that having no healer does not mean anything

Zerging is the the nature of the pvp beast. Get used to it, get smart and play smart. Wargs are designed to be in packs not necessarly solo. We pack to help the lower level wargs in the tribe get infamy and commendations. If you are going to play as a freep, just know that running solo is risky. I've started to see groups of freeps go warg hunting, with multiple tracks. Should I complain, nah, its the nature of the game. Adapt to the challenge and think of new strategies to counter the freep hunting parties. We can't have perfect wars or fights, just messy fun. Enjoy the wins and learn from the losses. Remember this is just a game of complicated chess.

Intharth, I tried to solo you in front of TA and loss because I aggroed NPCs. My loss and I know better next time.

Originally Posted by Guthcancot

Intharth, I tried to solo you in front of TA and loss.

wow. I'd wanna delete my toon if that happened to me!

Originally Posted by DATmadild

My point as you say depends on who the creeps are and who the freeps are. Your assuming average rank etcc.. thats excately, what if it two ranked champs and 3 hunters with a LM ... just saying that having no healer does not mean anything

If you are going talk a hypothetical situation I don't see why you would use anything other then what would be considered average on either side. Like I said it depends on the situation. A typically freep goup isn't 2 champs, 3 hnt's and an LM with gear. Variables change...that is how it is. Freeps don't always need a healer but in an average fight they will most definitely need one.

I don't see splay sit back to often anymore (now that he has rank and pots and all). He use to be one of the worse about hiding in NPC's and running away. His strat was VT a full morale heavy then pop evade and run into npc's. At this point I don't think he is bad...but he isn't very good either...

Originally Posted by Guthcancot

Intharth, I tried to solo you in front of TA and loss because I aggroed NPCs. My loss and I know better next time.

Thagak

I can give ye a proper one without npcs if you'd like? just for fun

This isnt the good 1v1 thread..Rage you fools!!