I could go on. Aside from the fact that every expansion simply makes us destroy our *ahem* LEGENDARY items, can we please get this game playable first? Then you may proceed with new content.
Yours in disappointment,
Black Hawk
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Yeah, my loremaster keeps disappearing in combat. *sigh* She's not THAT ugly.
Oh, before I forget......../reported.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
I could go on. Aside from the fact that every expansion simply makes us destroy our *ahem* LEGENDARY items, can we please get this game playable first? Then you may proceed with new content.
Yours in disappointment,
Black Hawk
I would say "unplayable" is a very, very large hyperbole. I have run into the Dragon bug, but that's it. So, I'm confident that with the release of updates, a few bugs can be fixed each time. As it is I'm not being affected hardly at all anyway.
Plus, from a business pov, you must see that if they stopped making new content the game would very quickly die away? Players want new toys, and a purely bugfixing expansion would lead to very unhappy players.
I agree the bugs should be fixed, but if it's the bugs or no new content, I'll take the bugs.
The thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty forever beyond its reach.” - J.R.R. Tolkien
I could go on. Aside from the fact that every expansion simply makes us destroy our *ahem* LEGENDARY items, can we please get this game playable first? Then you may proceed with new content.
Yours in disappointment,
Black Hawk
I agree with you sorta.
I'm not against them releasing new content. But if they do - they need to take the time and effort to polish it and fix all the bugs, or at least the most annoying obvious ones - instead of churning out buggy, unrewarding and sloppy content that does nothing but irritate and annoy the player base.
I would say "unplayable" is a very, very large hyperbole. I have run into the Dragon bug, but that's it. So, I'm confident that with the release of updates, a few bugs can be fixed each time. As it is I'm not being affected hardly at all anyway.
Plus, from a business pov, you must see that if they stopped making new content the game would very quickly die away? Players want new toys, and a purely bugfixing expansion would lead to very unhappy players.
I agree the bugs should be fixed, but if it's the bugs or no new content, I'll take the bugs.
New content that doesn't work is a waste of time for all concerned, players and turbine. If it's broke, it don't get played. You say you will take new content along with the bugs?, then considering the state of the game currently, then you should be overjoyed. Considering the lag issues, ALL content is currently bugged don't yah think?
Turbine doesn't test properly, they do not listen to the player base, they do not communicate, they are all about the money, but don't care about the garbage they push out the door. Customer service is non-existant. If it was any other type of business, would you do business of any kind with any business with this kind of business model?
How about every time you went to the local supermarket, came through the check stand, and the clerk punches your bread, breaks your egg's, opens up one of your beer's and has a sip, bags up the dripping mess, and say's to you " that will be "insert dollar amount here", and when you complain about the mess in your bag's, all you get is a dumb stare and utter silence, nothing but the clerks hand out waiting for your money. Your telling me your just gonna hand over the dinero, say nothing, do nothing, walk out the door, and THEN, continue to shop there every week?
I now for a fact you wouldn't, nobody in their right mind would. How in the world ANYONE defends turbine and accepts what's been going on is either not in their right mind, or saying and stating things in here that they in reality don't really mean. You sure as hell wouldn't cut that grocery store any slack, that's a fact. Turbine shouldn't be cut any slack either. it isn't a grey area, it's totally black and white, cut and dried. What's wrong is wrong, and what is right is right. There is no difference between that grocery store and Turbine, except the product being sold.
You wont settle for that service at the supermarket, NOBODY should settle for it here either. If you do, you ain't right in the head.
The day that happens pigs will fly. But man, that person has balls for admitting that. Turbine really needs to do that.
The sick thing is that Turbine DID that. They posted once about something similar, the removal of Radiance.
But they didn't learn from that mistake, in waiting too long to communicate. Their new hubris is not in game mechanics that are flawed in design, like radiance - they are game mechanics that are flawed in delivery. THAT mea culpa needs to happen, before I put together YET ANOTHER dragon run that ends at 300k - and zero slivers of health - when the Dragon stops responding. And the GMs are left powerless BY POLICY to do anything about it.
The thousands upon thousands of wasted player hours on the PAID content is virtually criminal.
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The dragon bugs out when you do the claws on phase 3 when everyones in the gold.
Try this.. kill 2 claws, group up, let him do his fly in the air animation, then kill the next 2 claws.
repeat this till he's dead.. should work...
The dragon is a very complicated fight with many moving parts going on... not trying to make excuses for the devs... but just saying... looks like it took a lot of work to create.
Just wait until our mounted combat breaks, and we're left stuck on our horses riding into a creep raid...
Remember how much grumbling there was when we had a new content famine. Turbine heard that and have been making a lot of efforts to increase the rate of content delivery. Bugs tend to be an inevitable consequence.
Also, you have to take into account that not every one experiences all bugs. I don't raid, and don't run group instances/skirmishes, so a lot of the bugs never affect me. That doesn't mean I don't want to a see them fixed for the benefit of others.
There a thread yesterday about Turbine holding a job fair in Rhode Island where another game studio had just shut down and shed all its staff. They were looking to fill 50 places and 300 people turned up. Hopefully a decent proportion of those 50 posts are in development/QA, and we will see that feed through in the future. (Of course we have no way of telling what proportion of those 50 are LotRO jobs, if any.)
If they want more, I hear that there are a few folk available in Austin after this week happenings at BioWare.
So, to the folk on both sides of this discussion, I would say "Be careful what you ask for - You might get it". We need to see the results of resourced being applied with the proper balance. Neither end of the pendulum swing would be the correct solution.
I once made a plea here on these forums that basically mirrowed your statement StormKing. Problem I see is that the majority of the player base seems to be more interested in new content than in the quality of content. Turbine is bent towards the masses - thats there bread and butter and until the masses start to see it differently I fear the release of new content will continue to take priorty over the improvement of the current.
Its a shame really cause this is a game based on The Lord of The Rings, arguably the best fantasy work ever created!
Therefore, any game based on it should be held to that standard!!!
Welden
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Character is currently retired since Dec 2008 in response to account being hacked.
If the game-breaking issues (the lag, for instance, and now personal horses acting as badly as stable horses do at times) isn't fixed, but new content is released, the game will rapidly become truly unplayable for even more folks.
We have a bunch of very serious bugs. New content contains bugs. The bugs have a nasty habit of synergising and they all get worse.
How about every time you went to the local supermarket, came through the check stand, and the clerk punches your bread, breaks your egg's, opens up one of your beer's and has a sip, bags up the dripping mess, and say's to you " that will be "insert dollar amount here", and when you complain about the mess in your bag's, all you get is a dumb stare and utter silence, nothing but the clerks hand out waiting for your money. Your telling me your just gonna hand over the dinero, say nothing, do nothing, walk out the door, and THEN, continue to shop there every week?
I now for a fact you wouldn't, nobody in their right mind would. How in the world ANYONE defends turbine and accepts what's been going on is either not in their right mind, or saying and stating things in here that they in reality don't really mean. You sure as hell wouldn't cut that grocery store any slack, that's a fact. Turbine shouldn't be cut any slack either. it isn't a grey area, it's totally black and white, cut and dried. What's wrong is wrong, and what is right is right. There is no difference between that grocery store and Turbine, except the product being sold.
You wont settle for that service at the supermarket, NOBODY should settle for it here either. If you do, you ain't right in the head.
The analogy is slightly flawed. In your scenario the clerk is taking deliberate action to break your product. Our situation is more like getting home and opening the egg-box and finding a couple of broken eggs, and opening the packaging and finding the wrong contents, not as described on the packet.
In that scenario, you take the goods back and demand (and usually get) a replacement/refund.
Software is different. We all accept a license that basically says "This product may not do anything we said it would, and we are not responsible". Not just LotRO, but ANY software product you have ever bought. On that basis, no-one would ever buy any software product, and Apple, Microsoft, etc would not be among the planet's biggest companies.
So, you are right, "If you do, you ain't right in the head". Unfortunately, there is a vast amount of evidence that we are apparently all insane.
Two quotes from 'Good Omens' by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman:
Along with the standard computer warranty agreement which said that if the machine 1) didn't work, 2) didn't do what the expensive advertisement said, 3) electrocuted the immediate neighbourhood, 4) and in fact failed entirely to be inside the expensive box when you opened it, this was expressly, absolutely, implicitly and in no event the fault or responsibility of the manufacturer, that the purchaser should consider himself lucky to be allowed to give his money to the manufacturer, and that any attempt to treat what had just been paid for as the purchaser's own property would result in the attentions of serious men with menacing briefcases and very thin watches.
Crowley had been extremely impressed with the warranties offered by the computer industry, and had in fact sent a bundle Below to the department that drew up the Immortal Soul agreements, with a yellow memo form attached just saying: "Learn, guys."
The dragon bugs out when you do the claws on phase 3 when everyones in the gold.
Try this.. kill 2 claws, group up, let him do his fly in the air animation, then kill the next 2 claws.
repeat this till he's dead.. should work...
Sorry to say, but this is just wrong.
We are acommunity of players, not beta-testers. Some of us even pay to play this game. It's not our job to go around looking for bugs and trying to go all the way around bugs in what's supposed to be a finished, working product, so it will work as intended.
Do bugs happen? Yes, they do. Can we bug report? Yes, we can. And yes, we do.
Do bugs get fixed? Well, most of the time, but not always. Draigoch is the "living" proof of it.
In as much as I am a LOTRO enthusiast, Turbine has pushed things too far. It's been 6+ months since Draigoch was released, and there's been no fix but pointing fingers: "The problem with Draigoch is something the players are doing; it's working just fine". Sorry, but no, it isn't. Just as the lag we've been facing since U7 is not the players fault.
It's time Turbine step up and show the community it's true colors. Stop treating the players -- especially the paying customers -- as non-payed beta-testers while taking it's own time to count the money that's coming in from the Store.
Small bugs that offer minor annoyances are one thing.
But game-crippling bugs that aggravate the player to the point of considering quitting is another.
For example: I can't imagine much worst in a video-gaming context as someone struggling for hours to find 12 willing people without locks to help him down Draigoch for example - only to have the fight bugg out at the end right before the Dragon dies and all of their hard work effort completely wasted because of something stupid.
So I agree with the OP in the sense stuff on this magnitude should deffinitely be fixed before new content is even considered - at least if turbine wants to keep people playing their game.
There is also the bad game-design element, which often accompines new content if it's rushed out the door. For example, in that new skirmish they just introduced it's just terribly designed. The NPC often times just runs up ahead aggroing the entire area - making it almost impossible to win the skirmish if you are doing it on higher tiers. The gates sometimes shut behind me and trap my solider during a fight. The dragon boss is stupidly placed on some hut that completely obstructs your camera view. And even the new instances in Fornost seem pointless, as the challenge quests do not offer any new rewards to encourage people to even want to do them. Least the one I did didn't.
I thought they did a really good job on the Great River update, though you could tell even it was somewhat rushed as Stangard was released without any map labels so everyone was lost as to where things were. But all in all, it was a polished and rewarding update I thought and well-designed.
This latest update however was the exact opposite. So I think the OP is right to touch on this new and disturbing trend.
I would say "unplayable" is a very, very large hyperbole. I have run into the Dragon bug, but that's it. So, I'm confident that with the release of updates, a few bugs can be fixed each time. As it is I'm not being affected hardly at all anyway.
Because I bought Isengard with TP instead of cash, I'm locked out of Great River until 7.1 is released. By locked out, I mean that deeds will not activate and NPCs are unresponsive. That means I can only run one gold token daily (grodbog queen), I can't run the LG dailies at all, and I can't even walk in the door to RoF.
If you haven't encountered any game-breaking bugs, that's great, but the fact that you have a bug-free game experience in no way negates the fact that these bugs exist and affect a significant number of people.
...if it's the bugs or no new content, I'll take the bugs.
Thank you for settling for mediocrity (at best) and enabling the company to get away with more and more shoddy product. Those of us who value quality really appreciate being fed garbage for the sake of your attention issues. And, just to clarify a word that is being grossly misused -- we are not talking about "bugs" -- we are talking about fundamental product development failures.
Originally Posted by Menathradon
The dragon is a very complicated fight with many moving parts going on... not trying to make excuses for the devs... but just saying... looks like it took a lot of work to create.
I. Don't. Care. It is irrelevant how "complicated" it is. They claimed to have had the skill set to create it. They advertised it. They accepted money for it, even long after it was known to be a ridiculous series of developmental errors.
Originally Posted by TheStormKing
The thousands upon thousands of wasted player hours on the PAID content is virtually criminal.
Indeed it is. Or should be. But thanks to people like the two above, who have swallowed the "ooooo software is hard it's always going to not work just pay us and shut up" nonsense, we get this kind of garbage product release and service.
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Informed by Science, Inspired by Art
RK/Mini/Capt/Hnt/Champ -- Raiding on Brandywine and Meneldor.
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Remember how much grumbling there was when we had a new content famine.
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There a thread yesterday about Turbine holding a job fair in Rhode Island where another game studio had just shut down and shed all its staff. They were looking to fill 50 places and 300 people turned up. Hopefully a decent proportion of those 50 posts are in development/QA, and we will see that feed through in the future.
1. Yes but this is different - we are asking them to put out content slower for a reason: to make sure current content works and the game is playable. The content drought before F2P was either a management decision (not to put staff on this game) or a result of the game not doing well - so they could not afford to put enough dev. staff on Lotro.
2. There were many people hired after the game went F2P and was bought out. One of the top managers posted this publicly online. Clearly very few if any of these people went into development and QA/testing (except for the store). We have no reason to think Turbine has made a big policy decision and will actually start to increase staff working on Lotro. Although I would love to see this happen - and who knows maybe they finally will put more money and staff into the game.
Just want to point out that the job fair is not at all evidence that this game will get any love.
None of those bugs affect me in the slightest. I would have more unique content over bugfixes any time. Besides, they are separated anyway: Updates add content, Patches fix bugs. Everyone happy in the end.
Personally I can stomach bugs in new content, what I find hard to swallow are bugs that have existed ingame since time immemorial and particularly the increasing number of bugs to existing content that seem to appear with every patch.
Perhaps I am nit-picking but I find the Update 7 Shades of the Past Known Issues page quite interesting.
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LOTRO Store
Due to an unforeseen issue during Update 7, the Reveller’s Gilded Mount, Bundle, and Outfit (single character versions), have been unpublished from the LOTRO Store. They will be re-added in a future update and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
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Of all the issues stated this is the only one that Turbine apologises for. This gives the impression that a store issue is of far more importance to them than other issues e.g.
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Fornost - The French and German translations for this area are currently unavailable, and will be added in a future patch.
The value of commendations appears to have been cut in half. This is not working as intended and will be addressed in our next update.
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Apparently a horse and an outfit being unavailable from the store warrants an apology whereas continuing to alienate French and German players with either inaccurate or non-existent translations is fine and dandy not to mention PvP'ers.
Perhaps I am nit-picking but when you see the number of threads on the forum regarding some known issues and the complete lack of threads regarding store horses(I may have missed it if there is one but there is certainly a huge disparity in the number of threads) perhaps Turbine should choose their words more carefully. Otherwise they continue to run the risk of giving the impression that the LotRO Store is their one and only concern and yes I am aware that the Store brings in money that helps fund new content.
I could go on. Aside from the fact that every expansion simply makes us destroy our *ahem* LEGENDARY items, can we please get this game playable first? Then you may proceed with new content.
Yours in disappointment,
Black Hawk
There are two skills that make my LM invisible momentarily. It's a humorous bug and I know it will be fixed. It's far, far from game-breaking.
Its not as bad as the soap box types make it out to be.
The game moves along, things get fixed, things get broke, blah blah blah.
I am guessing you have not read the many threads by player who say they cannot play at all because of the lag issues? Sure some of the bugs are no big deal - but the ones that prevent you from playing at all - or that prevent you from raiding at all are big. You can't just say - I don't have a problem so stop complaining. Obviously not everyone has the same problems right now.
And also obviously, not every game has bugs so severe that you cannot play it. Most MMOs everyone can play, and the bugs don't prevent you from actually being able to play the game.
Everyone knows something can be faulty, to a certain degree depending on the product (entertainment software being allowed a much higher margin, opposed to a flight control system etc.).
The higher the amount of errors, the cheaper its development costs. A flawless product of complex scale probably costs 10+ times more than a 'regular' piece of software.
So for non mission critical software, you may decide for the cheap version, accepting that the saved money is more then the money you lose on its flaws.
BUT:
A company's reputation not only is based for good or bad an its own deviation from the fault-standard amongst it peers, but also how it decides to deal with it.
A real world product usually will be repaired or exchanged (in its guarantee time).
In our company, if a customer suffers from a bug, we either fix the bug, or at least repair the negative effect it had .
Same thing holds for turbine: Yes, we know bugs can and will happen, but we would like not to suffer from that beyond a mild inconvience.
If draigoch is beyond repair (a thorough analysis or a complete reprogramming to costly), fine, but then either refund us, or have the gm's complete it if certain, known conditions are met.
Since it doesn't happen that often, it shouldnt be too much trouble for the gm, similar to saying 'sorry, cant help you now' as of now.
1. Yes but this is different - we are asking them to put out content slower for a reason: to make sure current content works and the game is playable. The content drought before F2P was either a management decision (not to put staff on this game) or a result of the game not doing well - so they could not afford to put enough dev. staff on Lotro.
Do you really think that having an apparently good reason for such a request will in any way reduce the level of complaint if the pace of content delivery slows? I sincerely doubt it. The cause is not really relevant to the reaction. People love to complain.
Originally Posted by Cindir
2. There were many people hired after the game went F2P and was bought out. One of the top managers posted this publicly online. Clearly very few if any of these people went into development and QA/testing (except for the store). We have no reason to think Turbine has made a big policy decision and will actually start to increase staff working on Lotro. Although I would love to see this happen - and who knows maybe they finally will put more money and staff into the game.
Just want to point out that the job fair is not at all evidence that this game will get any love.
Never claimed it was. I merely expressed a hope and observed that we don't know what posts they are hiring for.
It's not even the amount of bugs, but the type that continues to baffle me...
Invisible Loremasters. The skills affected are frequently used... it's impossible to miss if you do any kind of testing.
Same for bobbling/floating weapons: I noticed it within a minute of logging in, without paying any attention to it.
Draigoch clearly is broken beyond repair, but they happily continue charging specifically for it, while for some people it has a 10-20% failure rate.
It's rather clear Turbine's trying to run this game with as little bug fixes as they can afford and as this thread shows, there's enough people that are quite willing to go along with even more bugs as long as they come with some sort of update once in a while, so don't expect an improvement any time soon.
Ingaras, lvl 75 Elven Hunter; and others... The Western Alliance, Laurelin "The priority now is the store not the game. The store no longer supports the game, its the other way around."
We convinced Major Ballad to stop trying on Chord of Salvation's animation, as the animation didn't really fit. Major Ballad has graciously agreed to just stick with its original animation.
GM Policies..... Need updating.
Nothing to do with the people that develop (or maintain) content.
Captain buffs.... Bugged.
From the 7.1 patch notes on BR:
Captain
Captain Tactics skill buffs can now be reapplied properly
Loremasters..... Invisible.
From the 7.1 patch notes on BR:
Lore master
The secret of temporary invisibility has been lost! Lore-masters will no longer disappear when using certain skills.
Lightning....... Bugged.
What's the problem with lightning? I don't recall any problems with lightning, except for people have problems with sudden flashes triggering siezures. Is that what you're talking about?
In any case...there's solutions to more than half of your specific complaints, either through fixes coming with release 7.1, or items that have nothing to do with content development.
The analogy is slightly flawed. In your scenario the clerk is taking deliberate action to break your product. Our situation is more like getting home and opening the egg-box and finding a couple of broken eggs, and opening the packaging and finding the wrong contents, not as described on the packet.
In that scenario, you take the goods back and demand (and usually get) a replacement/refund.
Software is different. We all accept a license that basically says "This product may not do anything we said it would, and we are not responsible". Not just LotRO, but ANY software product you have ever bought. On that basis, no-one would ever buy any software product, and Apple, Microsoft, etc would not be among the planet's biggest companies.
So, you are right, "If you do, you ain't right in the head". Unfortunately, there is a vast amount of evidence that we are apparently all insane.
Two quotes from 'Good Omens' by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman:
Along with the standard computer warranty agreement which said that if the machine 1) didn't work, 2) didn't do what the expensive advertisement said, 3) electrocuted the immediate neighbourhood, 4) and in fact failed entirely to be inside the expensive box when you opened it, this was expressly, absolutely, implicitly and in no event the fault or responsibility of the manufacturer, that the purchaser should consider himself lucky to be allowed to give his money to the manufacturer, and that any attempt to treat what had just been paid for as the purchaser's own property would result in the attentions of serious men with menacing briefcases and very thin watches.
Crowley had been extremely impressed with the warranties offered by the computer industry, and had in fact sent a bundle Below to the department that drew up the Immortal Soul agreements, with a yellow memo form attached just saying: "Learn, guys."
(Crowley is a demon, in case you don't know}
I love that quote. I read a book of Prachetts when I was a kid, and I didn't like it so I haven't read any of his books since then. I'm going to have to revisit that decision.
This game irritates me often, but the minute my irritation level is higher than my enjoyment level, I'll vote with my wallet and leave. I did it to Ultima Online twice, and I'll do it here. Fortunately, my current irritation level is much lower than my enjoyment level.
I love that quote. I read a book of Prachetts when I was a kid, and I didn't like it so I haven't read any of his books since then. I'm going to have to revisit that decision.
i'm guessing you read the color of magic. i've met several people who swore off Pratchett after that book. read anything else, lol. color of magic is ok... but the rest of the discworld series is much much better.... the bromiliad trilogy and good omens are also excelent.
I'm not going to read all the replys, but when a senior player feels this down about the game...
You know? From a player who doens't raid and doesn't seem to be having these problems, I would say yes there is enough discontent to warrant some sort of "game management" response to player unrest. Yes lots of folks seem to be having issues. But honestly, I am not experiencing these issues. Yes my LM has a 2 second issue with some skills but it doesn't effect the induction, just the visual.
Nevertheless, the game is hardly unplayable - not by a long shot. I have been having a blast with Great River quests that actually challenging. The Brown Lands (mind you it takes 3 mobs to feel the excitement, when in the golden years it would have been impossible) have been fun and takes everything I have. I have been really enjoying the game.
I just played a Festival and am not doing this one. Too many festivals, not enough attention to other player's issues.
And I haven't even started the Limlight stuff. I look forward to the fall to see what is being offered.
Sorry Storm you have hit the wall with issues, and in no way am I being facetious or slight of hand, but is it time play something else, time for us to realize that it's just not the game we loved. It's a new FTP glimmer game. I will stay a while longer. I hope you do too.
I always feel like the actual bugs are half the pie, the hurried response to anything bothering a player is the other half? I have read so many times the following (with slight exaggeration) " I was fighting a mob and nothing dropped! I bugged it a few times lol and never got a response lol". There must be a bug pile a mile high taking endless hours to sort through, delaying real problem solving.
Futhermore, why is there never (rarely but I don't see it?) discussions about the effects of using various video cards, computers, plug-ins, unauthorized skins (I know that nothing is actually authorized), but where is the evidence the testing etc. just does not compare to releasing content to the general public who are playing with a hundred combinations of hardware/software...causing unpredictable results?
I don't mean a lack of testing, I would have no idea what is adequate or not, but just the fact that now with so many more players, there is are so many more problems that simply can not be effectively weeded out?
Am I being naive? It seems to me that with less human resources team-side, it is simply inevitable that more problems will occur, and inevitable that bugs will take longer to fix.
I always remind myself that we signed a multi page disclaimer and keep on playing so really, we are at the hands of the powers that be. So long as I am enjoying the game, I seem to put up with the garbage.
Here is my beef in 2 parts. First, the Draigoch bug has been going on since it came out. While we continue to bug it every time it happens, Turbine has gone silent on giving us any sort of update in regards to their progress in fixing it. This isn't something that was recently released, it's been out for months.
Second, as a mini, the major ballad issue they re-introduced left me scratching my head (for perspective, check out this thread in the mini forum). How does a bug get fixed only to be re-introduced? Are they coding the new content off of bad code? If not, how the heck does this type of thing happen?
I started this game in beta, and have been a paying customer ever since. The introduction of F2P was supposed to be a giant revenue generator, but I feel like since it's inception the quality of the content has gone down, regardless of the speed. I agree that if it takes a little longer to put out quality content, I'm ok with it.
As an aside, are we still in the "Lord of the Rings Online Community Beta"? If not, can we get someone to update the graphic. It's only been like that for a year or so...
Mule Frothbeard, Jolly Guardian and Joyful HalfPint, Song-Singer of Strayhold
Futhermore, why is there never (rarely but I don't see it?) discussions about the effects of using various video cards, computers, plug-ins, unauthorized skins (I know that nothing is actually authorized), but where is the evidence the testing etc. just does not compare to releasing content to the general public who are playing with a hundred combinations of hardware/software...causing unpredictable results?
I don't mean a lack of testing, I would have no idea what is adequate or not, but just the fact that now with so many more players, there is are so many more problems that simply can not be effectively weeded out?
What is *supposed* to be the case is that the APIs are standardized and the OS and drivers are *supposed* to isolate the hardware from any specific program. That way, programs can be written using standard tools (DirectX, OpenGL, etc.) and what specific hardware is involved should not be relevant, so long as it supports the specifications for the game.
In practice, of course, this is impossible.
There will always be some configurations, or individual PCs, that just won't work correctly. This may be because of internal hardware conflicts, driver conflicts, out of date drivers, or just plain flaky hardware...or a myriad of other causes.
I would note that I have not had the kinds of problems other people have been having. I don't get game crashes. I don't have log in problems. I don't see significant lag...at least no more of it that has always been in the game, and less than there has been at various times in the past. I DO NOT conclude from this that the reported problems don't exist, only that it looks more like problems with PCs than with Turbine's servers or software. I'm running bog standard hardware. It's a compact HP system a couple of years old with a not particularly good graphics card (Radeon HD 5450), under Windows 7.
I agree 100% with the OP, they need to give a lot of things some serious revisions and repairs before any new areas come out. Why not perfect what you already have, whilst giving yourself extra time to make Rohan perfect, and making it NOT bring back bugs, or creating new ones.
Because it is becoming increasingly clear that profit matters over quality content. While things need improving I suspect there is literally a line-up at the pay-for-store for buffs and content purchases.
How difficult it must be for those still on the team to have to sweep up and clean up the mess when all the while new players join and care more about cosmetic outfits, new mounts and re-setting festival timers.
(and there I die in the Ent Gardens as I try to do two things at once)
But thanks whheydt, must be hair pulling to say the least!
...whilst giving yourself extra time to make Rohan perfect...
No such thing as "perfect" software. ALL software has defects in it. Some software has more than others, but every piece has some.
FYI...there was much screaming for new content during the relative drought before f2p launched. Now there is a lot of new content coming out...and there is much screaming about software defects. You just can't please some people no matter WHAT you do.
As I noted before, more than half of the specific complaints of the OP are being addressed in Update 7.1, and at least one of his specific complaints isn't a software issue at all--that one comes down to management decisions.
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