Thread: It's high time this happened... ATTENTION DEVS

Originally Posted by Krakenheim

Jeremi,

Well solo case: yeah it sucks big time we aren´t able to solo RAIDS !!!!

We need to be buffed ASAP !

This is the kind of thinking that really get on my nerves Limlight trees are designed as 3-mans not as SOLO content and we can beat ANY solo designed content we dont need more things to do that.

Nice link about captain and solo here: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...in-Solo-Thread

As for the second there is a thing (among anothers) that capts use in that case, its called Last Stand and it have very long cooldown timer which make it great because you have to manage it well as so its balanced.

But from the "Limelight solo" idea I dont think balance is really on your mind.

Kraken, well I hate to inform you but LimeLight is NOT a raid lol And just so you know most classes can easily solo in LimeLight gorge, so if you were attempting to balance classes from a "solo" perspective... then yes, considering that would be quite reasonable. But it's nice to know that you feel you are "immortal" yet find normal things most other classes are easily capable of doing sounds so amazing and far-fetched to you

Also you don't seem to understand as to how last Stand Stand actually works. So you may want to learn the mechanics of it - because Last Stand does not protect you from damage. It meerly stops you from dying - so my morale would be at 1... and in the situation I described to you in my post my tank was needing heals - and you can't use Words of Courage on someone when you have 1 morale.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Kraken, well I hate to inform you but LimeLight is NOT a raid lol And just so you know most classes can easily solo in LimeLight gorge, so if you were attempting to balance classes from a "solo" perspective... then yes, considering that would be quite reasonable. But it's nice to know that you feel you are "immortal" yet find normal things most other classes are easily capable of doing sounds so amazing and far-fetched to you

So, instead of making Captains more OP, why not make the mobs in LG immune to slows, and perhaps even to CC? "Because they can we should be able to as well!!" is a rubbish point of view. Might as well morph every class into one heavy armour, shield and 2H wearing tactical and melee class. With a warden's self heals and avoidances of course. And with Last Stand.

Also you don't seem to understand as to how last Stand Stand actually works. So you may want to learn the mechanics of it before you tell me when I should use it - because Last Stand does not protect you from damage. It meerly stops you from dying - so my morale would be at 1... and in the situation I described to you in my post my tank was needing heals - and of course anyone who has even the least bit of experience at playing as a Captain should know - you can't use Words of Courage on someone when you have 1 morale.

Gallant Commander set. Spamming Valiant Strike for the win. Especially because you can pretty much use Rallying Cry there all the time. You're welcome.

Originally Posted by Rammie

So, instead of making Captains more OP, why not make the mobs in LG immune to slows, and perhaps even to CC? "Because they can we should be able to as well!!" is a rubbish point of view. Might as well morph every class into one heavy armour, shield and 2H wearing tactical and melee class. With a warden's self heals and avoidances of course. And with Last Stand.



Gallant Commander set. Spamming Valiant Strike for the win. Especially because you can pretty much use Rallying Cry there all the time. You're welcome.

Rammie, how on earth does being able to do something just about every other class can do make us OP? Now that is a rubbish point of view.

Besides, we don't need Shield of the Dunedain to be self-targetable to be able to solo in Lime Loght gorge. We already can... I was just giving Kraken an example of when it would be useful when soloing on the landscape.

And even if you were wearing the Gallant commander set you couldn't "Spam" valliant strike.... Pits is a 3 man Rammie, so rally cry doesn't exactly reduce the cool down by that much, especially considering I ususally duo that one. So a whopping 10 seconds off my Valliant strike after I rally cry. Yeah... I'm really going to be able to "spam" it let me tell you.

And you are missing the point anyways. I was giving examples of when a self-targetable Sheild of the Dunedain would be "useful". I never said it was a nessassary or a must have change to enable Captains to be able to win fights or the only strategy available to us. So why you are going off talking about rally cry as if that somehow refutes the fact that a self-targetable Shield of the Dunedain would be useful makes no sense to me. And you're welcome too.

I'm going to say this again and stand by it. Any captain who doesn't think being able to reduce all incoming damage to themselves by 75% would be useful is either smoking some mind-altering drug or is lying to themselves simply for the sake of argument.

Originally Posted by DelgonTheWise

I'd attribute it to eternal Beta that is the forums rather than censorship myself. The forums
are pretty buggy sometimes. If it had been a convincing post on the evils of the Store with
choice words about some competing MMO being better then it might be tinfoil hat time.
A message about SOTD being cross group, not so much.

yea man, i was joking i didnt really think i was being cencored. and i wasnt trying to suck you into taking my "serious bait."

that being said, tinfoil hats cant hurt. just because im paranoid doesnt mean the radio waves are not influencing me.



ps- i thought limelight was a rush song

Originally Posted by Jeremi

And even if you were wearing the Gallant commander set you couldn't "Spam" valliant strike.... Pits is a 3 man Rammie, so rally cry doesn't exactly reduce the cool down by that much, especially considering I ususally duo that one. So a whopping 10 seconds off my Valliant strike after I rally cry. Yeah... I'm really going to be able to "spam" it let me tell you.

So... the class needs to be changed because you want to duo a 3-man? How about you either get better at playing the captain or teach the tank how to tank that instance?

And you are missing the point anyways. I was giving examples of when a self-targetable Sheild of the Dunedain would be "useful". I never said it was a nessassary or a must have change to enable Captains to be able to win fights or the only strategy available to us. So why you are going off talking about rally cry as if that somehow refutes the fact that a self-targetable Shield of the Dunedain would be useful makes no sense to me. And you're welcome too.

Your example mentioned the pits. The acid boss is a fight loaded with Rallying Cries. That's why I mentioned it. My reply made perfect sense. You shouldn't even be getting into the situation where you'd supposedly need a self-targetable shield. You shouldn't be even needing the shield at all.

I'm going to say this again and stand by it. Any captain who doesn't think being able to reduce all incoming damage to themselves by 75% would be useful is either smoking some mind-altering drug or is lying to themselves simply for the sake of argument.

It is too overpowered. First using the shield, then last stand. Just get better at playing the Captain instead of your ridiculous suggestions. The only change the shield needs is that it's made immediate. Only then it's worth slotting.

You're welcome.

PS. Make our heals heal 50% more, make our skills do 50% more damage! Who wouldn't want that!?
See what I did there?

Originally Posted by SapienChavez

yea man, i was joking i didnt really think i was being cencored. and i wasnt trying to suck you into taking my "serious bait."

that being said, tinfoil hats cant hurt. just because im paranoid doesnt mean the radio waves are not influencing me.



ps- i thought limelight was a rush song

Be careful man, those aliens are going to totally mess with your brain. I mean, look what they did to another captain on the forums.....

Originally Posted by Rammie

The only change the shield needs is that it's made immediate. Only then it's worth slotting.

I'd also add "make it raid wide", so then it's a better parallel to the WL bubble.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

I'd also add "make it raid wide", so then it's a better parallel to the WL bubble.

Good point. When a skill is being fixed, better fix it properly

so, i read the first 2 pages, watched the OP be an ### to everyone, then came to the same conclusion as most of the posters

Sotd doesnt need to be usable on self. if your dying in solo PVE content, your doing something horribly wrong. i think i died from mobs twice, even while leveling, and only then cause all orange mobs+5 of them with last stand on cd isnt a good idea :P

the ONLY change i would want made to this, is so that it is usable raid-wide, so i can bubble people in other groups. other than that, i personally dont want this skill changed at all.

Originally Posted by 0987654321

the ONLY change i would want made to this, is so that it is usable raid-wide, so i can bubble people in other groups. other than that, i personally dont want this skill changed at all.

Not even the change for it to go from fast => immediate?

Originally Posted by Rammie

So... the class needs to be changed because you want to duo a 3-man? How about you either get better at playing the captain or teach the tank how to tank that instance?



Your example mentioned the pits. The acid boss is a fight loaded with Rallying Cries. That's why I mentioned it. My reply made perfect sense. You shouldn't even be getting into the situation where you'd supposedly need a self-targetable shield. You shouldn't be even needing the shield at all.



It is too overpowered. First using the shield, then last stand. Just get better at playing the Captain instead of your ridiculous suggestions. The only change the shield needs is that it's made immediate. Only then it's worth slotting.

You're welcome.

PS. Make our heals heal 50% more, make our skills do 50% more damage! Who wouldn't want that!?
See what I did there?

Ok I'll respond generally.

I can already duo it. So if that is your basis for saying I need to get better at playing you may want to rethink that one...

Rally cry has a cool down. Yes, it is pretty short with a legacy, but it can't counter against endless bubbles coming your way. And again... I NEVER SAID IT WAS NEEDED!!! I said it would be USEFUL. Now stop mischaracterizing my argument. If I need to get better at playing Captain.. then you need to get better at reading lol

Yes rammie, it takes so much skill to tap Rally Cry after something dies. Truly only the most skilled among us can accomplish this.

And if you believe it would be over-powered fine. That is an argument I can respect. It's the nonsense rebuttals like it woudn't be useful that drive me nuts, because it obviosuly would be. And it's very confusing how one second it's useless, then now suddenly it's over-powered. What a mixed message that is. That's like saying something is too skinny because it's too fat. Makes so much sense now doens't it.

Though if Shield of the Dunedain isn't OP for other players, I really do fail to see why it would be OP for us. That doesn't sound very logical to me. You can already string Last/Stand + IN harms way plus Shield of Dunedain on other players. And basically that amounts to the same thing I am asking for. So the evidence is on my side. Either it's OP or it isn't. It can't not be OP for group member A, but if the captain does nearly the same exact thing to himself suddenly Oh NO! you are an OP immortal who needs to be nerfed!


And I never said they should increase our healing and damage by 50%.... so no I don't see what you did there at all. It's bad when you can't counter my arguments so you have to equate things I never said then argue with yourself seemingly . And I woudn't want those things you mentioned anyways.

As I've said countless times on these forums (which you woudn't know because you have problems reading) I feel both our damage and healing are in a very good spot right now, and I wouldn't support increasing either... especially by 50%.

You are welcomed back.

Originally Posted by 0987654321

so, i read the first 2 pages, watched the OP be an ### to everyone, then came to the same conclusion as most of the posters

Sotd doesnt need to be usable on self. if your dying in solo PVE content, your doing something horribly wrong. i think i died from mobs twice, even while leveling, and only then cause all orange mobs+5 of them with last stand on cd isnt a good idea :P

the ONLY change i would want made to this, is so that it is usable raid-wide, so i can bubble people in other groups. other than that, i personally dont want this skill changed at all.

Lol I wasn't that much of an ###. This forum really needs to lighten up A LOT. It's like trying to converse in a room full of angry old church ladies sometimes

Your opinion is noted. I however disagree. It SHOULD happen. It would be a very nice buff, not OP IMHO - and would be quite useful in a lot of situations. And being able to team up an In Harms Way + Shield of the Dunedain every 5 minutes... I am almost drooling just thinking of it.

If you're getting endless bubbles coming your way you're doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Ok I'll respond generally.

I can already duo it. So if that is your basis for saying I need to get better at playing you may want to rethink that one...

So there's no reason to change it. From what I read you get in trouble because your tank doesn't know how to position himself.

Rally cry has a cool down. Yes, it is pretty short with a legacy, but it can't counter against endless bubbles coming your way. And again... I NEVER SAID IT WAS NEEDED!!! I said it would be USEFUL. Now stop mischaracterizing my argument. If I need to get better at playing Captain.. then you need to get better at reading lol

True, Rallying Cry is no solution when it comes to poor playing. But poor playing deserves a wipe, not a bag of OP tools.

Yes rammie, it takes so much skill to tap Rally Cry after something dies. Truly only the most skilled among us can accomplish this.

I'm glad you give me the credit I deserve.

And if you believe it would be over-powered fine. That is an argument I can respect. It's the nonsense rebuttals like it woudn't be useful that drive me nuts, because it obviosuly would be. And it's very confusing how one second it's useless, then now suddenly it's over-powered. What a mixed message that is. That's like saying something is too skinny because it's too fat. Makes so much sense now doens't it.

Though if Shield of the Dunedain isn't OP for other players, I really do fail to see why it would be OP for us. That doesn't sound very logical to me. You can already string Last/Stand + IN harms way plus Shield of Dunedain on other players. And basically that amounts to the same thing I am asking for. So the evidence is on my side. Either it's OP or it isn't. It can't be OP for group member A, but if the captain does nearly the same exact thing to himself suddenly Oh NO! you are an OP immortal who needs to be nerfed!

Because it is quite a useless skill, at least as it is now. It's too situational and too slow to be worth slotting. With your suggestion it would simple bee too OP for captains, giving 30 or 40 seconds of practical immortality. So yes, overpowered.

And you are welcome as well.

Nuh

And I never said they should increase our healing and damage by 50%.... so no I don't see what you did there at all. It's bad when you can't counter my arguments so you have to equate things I never said then argue with yourself seemingly . And I woudn't want those things you mentioned anyways.

As I've said countless times on these forums (which you woudn't know because you have problems reading) I feel both our damage and healing are in a very good spot right now, and I wouldn't support increasing either... especially by 50%.

I didn't expect you to see what I did. Honestly.

Originally Posted by Rammie

If you're getting endless bubbles coming your way you're doing it wrong.



So there's no reason to change it. From what I read you get in trouble because your tank doesn't know how to position himself. .

Rather or not the tank knows how to position himself is irrelevant. You are missing the point.

That example was given to explain a situation where being able to put Shield of the Dunedain on yourself would be useful. That's what it was meant to do - that was the context - and that's exactly what it did.

Now you can debate it was the tank's fault, and that's fine. But that wasn't why the example was given.

Originally Posted by Rammie

True, Rallying Cry is no solution when it comes to poor playing. But poor playing deserves a wipe, not a bag of OP tools..

Again... I can already string together Last Stand/In Harms way + Shield of the Dunedain on a group member of my choosing. That is basically the same thing as stringing together Last Stand/Shield of Dunedain on myself. If it's not OP for group member A - it makes absolutely no sense to me why it would be over-powered for Jeremi the Captain.

So I just disagree with your assertion that it would be OP. And I have explained why.

Originally Posted by Rammie

I'm glad you give me the credit I deserve...

Well good. It makes me happy knowinng I made you happy.

Originally Posted by Rammie

Because it is quite a useless skill, at least as it is now. It's too situational and too slow to be worth slotting. With your suggestion it would simple bee too OP for captains, giving 30 or 40 seconds of practical immortality. So yes, overpowered....

And again... it goes from "useless" to being "over-powered" lol I'll never understatnd that

Like I said earlier, I can already combine Last Stand/In Harms Way + Shield of the Dunedain on another group member - which offers basically the same effect. So it makes absolutely no sense why it would be over-powered on me, making me pratcially "immortal" as you say yet when I put it on the tank in my group everyone's cool with it and it's not over-powered at all.

That reasoning just doesn't add up.



Nuh

Originally Posted by Rammie

I didn't expect you to see what I did. Honestly.

What you did was make a very ridiculous and inaccurate comparison by trying to compare what I am asking for to increasing the Captain's over-all healing and damage by 50%.. Which was just absurd.

I hope you don't really think making Shield of the Dunedain self-targetable would be = to increasing the Captain's heals and damage by 50%. Because if that's the case, no wonder you think it would be OP lol

Originally Posted by Rammie

I didn't expect you to see what I did. Honestly.

Dude, give it up.

This guy is denser than a black hole - and about as bright as one too.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Dude, give it up.

This guy is denser than a black hole - and about as bright as one too.

lol... I'm sure Rammie is capable of making his own decesions Almagnus. He doesn't need you to tell him to "Dude, give it up". But of course you are too "dense" to understand that, and actually think people need your idiotic advice to know what to do. And to be honest you should take your own counsel, because that is the perfect advice for you in fact.

"Dude, give it up".

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Dude, give it up.

This guy is denser than a black hole - and about as bright as one too.

I can't. It's like a horrible accident, or a display of nature's fury... It draws my attention

Originally Posted by Rammie

I can't. It's like a horrible accident, or a display of nature's fury... It draws my attention

Or it could be I'm simply someone who doens't let the bs people like Almagnus continously spout on these forums intimidate them into being silent. Therefore an alternative point of view is actually presented so a debate becomes even possible.

This is contrary to what he would much prefer - which is a couple of forum junkies who think they know it all getting together and stroking one another's epeens and reminding each other how awesome they are while ganging together and striking down anyone who dares challenge their omnipotence.

I have watched Almagnus on these forums for quite some time, and it's pretty simple the way he thinks.

The world according to Almagnus - "Anything I don't like or don't use is WORTHLESS AND USELESS and if you disagree YOU ARE IGNORANT AND NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY".

And if you argue with him about it he starts whining about how you have "insulted his honor" and threatens to tattletell on your kinship about you... a testament to his insane ego that he thinks the kinship would actually care what he thinks lol

So trust me, the reason you like responding to me has nothing to do with my accent... it's because it can be rare to see actual debate on this forum instead of a bunch arrogant Captains who think they have all the answers agreeing and complimenting one another while wallowing in their own ingorance - which is exactly what conformity and accepted "norms" breed - ignorance.

But having addressed that rude little intervention on his part... let me get back to the topic because there was one more little thing I wanted to throw you way - because you seem to be settling a lot of your argument on rather or not something is "needed" to justify a skill being in the game. Because if that is the case, I could point out Last Stand isnt' really "needed" either, and there isn't a single bit of content on this game you can't do without using Last Stand. So by that logic, Last Stand shouldn't be in the game either. Nor our buffs. Nor so many other skills we have.

So I guess my point is just because a skill isn't absolutely "needed" and there are work-arounds, doesn't mean it woudn't be a worthy skill to have.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

**rant**

Ok, you've gone far enough here.

My opinion can be changed, but it requires you (Jeremi) to demonstrate that what you are saying makes sense in the mechanics of the game as we know them. In other words, it requires your lazy self to do some research and math, and draw up numbers that back up what you are saying.

I am only this rigorous about stuff because I have been studying the captain in-game mechanics since we went F2P (and likely a bit before), long before RoI. I know how they work very well, and a lot of what you have been saying (especially about fate) does not mesh what I have seen, and you have not gone to any effort to show what you are saying other than flaming people when they disagree with you. And then you misrepresent and repeat ad hominem stuff people say, which shows your utter contempt towards most of the community - and the irony here, most of the flames you generate come from scanning posts, instead of taking the time to read, digest, and understand the information presented.

Yes, there are other ways to play - Eola's love of the rainbow build is an example of this. I don't necessarily like it (nor will I play it), but I do see it's value, especially when you have the legacies to make solid use of Composure (or you can hot swap in the emblem for composure). I rather much like a 4red/3blue or 5red/2blue build.

Does this mean I don't know how to play in anything other than LtC? No, you will catch me as a decently well geared LoM tank, or as a HoH captain while I"m in 3 mans (occasionally HoH in other places as well), but my view of the captain isn't quite as narrow as Jeremi is representing it.

"IMHO we shouldn't
have as good self heals as squishier healers, as our superior mitigations make our heals go further. "

This sentence sums up the entire arguement..

Players designing skills and posting about them are usually like this, extremely one sided not taking into account the entire game.

Also... grow up man... yea OP you use big words, but everything you say is personalized towards the last poster and makes you look foolish, instead of discussing you argue, instead of listening you ridicule. It's to bad you can't learn from the players who obviously have an excellent grasp on your class, since you seem to have issues, dreaming up new skills to compensate for your weaknesses. Good day sir, and good luck.

EDIT: god i just read this dude... clearly shows your intentions while posting in these forums.... to ridicule and to bother people.

"I have watched Almagnus on these forums for quite some time, and it's pretty simple the way he thinks. "

OP- GET A LIFE

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Ok, you've gone far enough here.

My opinion can be changed, but it requires you (Jeremi) to demonstrate that what you are saying makes sense in the mechanics of the game as we know them. In other words, it requires your lazy self to do some research and math, and draw up numbers that back up what you are saying.

I thought you ignored him? I ignored him.

This idea isn't terrible, nor is it particularly innovative. Did nobody ever think of this before?
I've never suggested it before because I don't think its really needed and like a few other skills it is "captain-y". With both shield brother and WoC, we have stuff we can't self-target. Which reinforces the whole... "captain puts the fellowship before himself" motif that we have going on with our class.

The only viable reason i can see to give us self-targetable sotd is when you are 5-LOM. Everything else just makes me say "no you're doing it wrong." If you're healing, you should use SOTD on your tank. If you are taking damage it's likely your tank's fault. If your tank sucks you deserve to lose. No not all tanks are created equal, but classes don't need improvements because other classes aren't doing their job. But say your tank is great, your healing is fine (on the tank) but somehow you are taking loads of aoe damage. The fault then is with the lack of captain self-heal'ing, and not with lack of a 15s bubble.

We're now at 7 pages on this thread... which honestly doesn't deserve that much discussion. But then reading through you see half the posts are from Jeremi, and 3/4 of those are probably worthless (flames or responses to flames). Do not feed the troll. No matter what math we point out, or a giant list of pros and no cons, he'll stick with his terrible setups and poor advice because it "feels good" to him. And that is his right as a player, but at this point it's wasting a lot of your time responding to it and we'd all be better-served putting "I do not recommend taking Jeremi's advice on the captain" in our signatures, if only the mods would allow it.

Perhaps they'll allow "i do not recommend stacking fate above 250 on your captain, nor taking advice from anyone who does..." Perhaps i'll try that.

Originally Posted by DuneBug

I thought you ignored him? I ignored him.

I do web development in Chrome (primary browser), and tend to wipe all browser data fairly frequently, (which is more time efficient than pulling individual cookies, etc), which also has the side effect of logging me out of the LotRO site, which makes the ignore list pointless.

Also, bad advice that goes unchallenged can be perceived as good advice by someone who doesn't know any better.

Originally Posted by DuneBug

This idea isn't terrible, nor is it particularly innovative. Did nobody ever think of this before?
I've never suggested it before because I don't think its really needed and like a few other skills it is "captain-y". With both shield brother and WoC, we have stuff we can't self-target. Which reinforces the whole... "captain puts the fellowship before himself" motif that we have going on with our class.

The only viable reason i can see to give us self-targetable sotd is when you are 5-LOM. Everything else just makes me say "no you're doing it wrong." If you're healing, you should use SOTD on your tank. If you are taking damage it's likely your tank's fault. If your tank sucks you deserve to lose. No not all tanks are created equal, but classes don't need improvements because other classes aren't doing their job.

Quoted cause it needs emphasis.

ah i see you're online.. i edited my post a bit. Nothing you quoted though.

Keep fighting the good fight then Maley. I probably won't say it elsewhere, but know i'm in your corner.

Originally Posted by DuneBug

Which reinforces the whole... "captain puts the fellowship before himself" motif that we have going on with our class.

This is more of the class being underdeveloped than a motif.

Originally Posted by DuneBug

The only viable reason i can see to give us self-targetable sotd is when you are 5-LOM. Everything else just makes me say "no you're doing it wrong." If you're healing, you should use SOTD on your tank. If you are taking damage it's likely your tank's fault. If your tank sucks you deserve to lose. No not all tanks are created equal, but classes don't need improvements because other classes aren't doing their job. But say your tank is great, your healing is fine (on the tank) but somehow you are taking loads of aoe damage. The fault then is with the lack of captain self-heal'ing, and not with lack of a 15s bubble.

Yes the issue here is our utter lack of self healing, this doesn't change the fact that a self SoTD would be amazing in the moors.

Originally Posted by DuneBug

We're now at 7 pages on this thread... which honestly doesn't deserve that much discussion. But then reading through you see half the posts are from Jeremi, and 3/4 of those are probably worthless (flames or responses to flames). Do not feed the troll. No matter what math we point out, or a giant list of pros and no cons, he'll stick with his terrible setups and poor advice because it "feels good" to him. And that is his right as a player, but at this point it's wasting a lot of your time responding to it and we'd all be better-served putting "I do not recommend taking Jeremi's advice on the captain" in our signatures, if only the mods would allow it.

You're right, but this is a good opportunity to discuss the lack of captain self-healing. I say we ignore Jeremi and de-rail the thread, or just make a new one.

yes, id also like to see the speed increases to "immediate."




cant believe im gonna say this... come on guys, were better than all this name-calling. we are the finest class in the finest MMO. lets keep it classy.

Originally Posted by SapienChavez

cant believe im gonna say this... come on guys, were better than all this name-calling. we are the finest class in the finest MMO. lets keep it classy.

Indeed. Keep it civil

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Ok, you've gone far enough here.

My opinion can be changed, but it requires you (Jeremi) to demonstrate that what you are saying makes sense in the mechanics of the game as we know them. In other words, it requires your lazy self to do some research and math, and draw up numbers that back up what you are saying.

I am only this rigorous about stuff because I have been studying the captain in-game mechanics since we went F2P (and likely a bit before), long before RoI. I know how they work very well, and a lot of what you have been saying (especially about fate) does not mesh what I have seen, and you have not gone to any effort to show what you are saying other than flaming people when they disagree with you. And then you misrepresent and repeat ad hominem stuff people say, which shows your utter contempt towards most of the community - and the irony here, most of the flames you generate come from scanning posts, instead of taking the time to read, digest, and understand the information presented.

Yes, there are other ways to play - Eola's love of the rainbow build is an example of this. I don't necessarily like it (nor will I play it), but I do see it's value, especially when you have the legacies to make solid use of Composure (or you can hot swap in the emblem for composure). I rather much like a 4red/3blue or 5red/2blue build.

Does this mean I don't know how to play in anything other than LtC? No, you will catch me as a decently well geared LoM tank, or as a HoH captain while I"m in 3 mans (occasionally HoH in other places as well), but my view of the captain isn't quite as narrow as Jeremi is representing it.

lol... nice "rant" this was. But yes, it is "exactly" as narrow as I present it and I have misrepresented nothing - and all anyone needs do is go re-read your posts in the past - especially the ones aimed at me and they will know it to be the case. And you lecturing me on "flaming" people is a good one. You are a egostitical narrow-minded hypocrite. And I'm not saying that to "flame" you. I am saying that simply to be accurate, because that is so much what you are.

Almagnus doens't like the Captain's Kick skill - therefore it's a USELESS skill for Captains.
Almangus doens't like Fate - therefore it's a USELESS stat for Captains.
Almagnus doens't like the HoH Legendary Trait - therefore it's a WORTHLESS trait for captains.
Almangus doesn't like to use heralds - therefore they are WORTHLESS.
Almagnus can't heal a tier2 Darg run with a non-tank - therefore Captain healing SUCKS and NEEDS ALL THE HELP IT CAN GET
Almangus doesn't use the Menestaid set - therefore... yeah, I think you get the picture...

And I could literally go on with examples like this for at least a few pages.

Also I have enjoyed watching your hypocrisy at work in respect to me in particular. For example: many posters make the exact same comments I do on this forum - rather it's talking about how heralds can be used effectively as "off-tanks" or how Fate can help with ICPR but strangely not a peep out of you toward them on the matter. Yet when I say it, you launch a blathering endless attack complete with pages of pointless charts my way.

In short - you're a coward Almagnus. You continuously attack me is because you think I'm an easy target and can get away with it. You don't even possess the conviction to rigorously defend your positions on an anonymous forum lol

So if you think you have my "contempt" you are sadly mistaken. You have my pity, nothing more.

Originally Posted by naval

"IMHO we shouldn't
have as good self heals as squishier healers, as our superior mitigations make our heals go further. "

This sentence sums up the entire arguement..

Players designing skills and posting about them are usually like this, extremely one sided not taking into account the entire game.

Also... grow up man... yea OP you use big words, but everything you say is personalized towards the last poster and makes you look foolish, instead of discussing you argue, instead of listening you ridicule. It's to bad you can't learn from the players who obviously have an excellent grasp on your class, since you seem to have issues, dreaming up new skills to compensate for your weaknesses. Good day sir, and good luck.

EDIT: god i just read this dude... clearly shows your intentions while posting in these forums.... to ridicule and to bother people.

"I have watched Almagnus on these forums for quite some time, and it's pretty simple the way he thinks. "

OP- GET A LIFE

Naval, I really didn't use any "big words"... just for the record lol

And if anyone is "compensating" for something here, it's you. So instead of picking fights with someone who has done nothing to you, why don't you take your OWN advice and "grow up".

And why does reading posts on a forum mean I need to "GET A LIFE"? lol... You may want to re-evaluate that standard, especially seeing as you just read a couple of my posts and felt the need to respond to them in this childish vindictive manner. So you may need to "GET A LIFE" as well you 14 year old valley girl you.

Originally Posted by DuneBug

I thought you ignored him? I ignored him.

This idea isn't terrible, nor is it particularly innovative. Did nobody ever think of this before?
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Yes both of you have claimed to have "ignored" me. Yet oddly you both still respond... funny how that works.

But not qutie as funny as the pathetic excuses that follow to explain why this happens. First it was "chrome browser".... then it was my "lack of siggy" which I added...

I wonder what new lies and excuses my detractors will pull from their backside to defend they fact they simply lack the simple Strength of Will (To use a Captain-related phrase ^^) to ignore a post on the internet. It really is quite sad lol

But to comment more directly to the relevant topic. I never said this idea was "particularly innovative". In fact I stressed it was a "no-brainer" and I am sure there have been at least thousands before me who have thought this should be the case. That was kind of my whole point, and why I was so taken aback by the amount of controversy such a bland and obvious idea started lol

This is a good exmaple as to when the Messenger can be more provocative than the message itself.

Clarification time.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Almagnus doens't like the Captain's Kick skill - therefore it's a USELESS skill for Captains.

Where this came from was comparing Kick to other interrupts, and how Kick is a rather bad interrupt. Since Kick is a bad interrupt, the legacy is less than appealing.

However, I use Kick FREQUENTLY. And have it's legacy on my primary and tanking LIs.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Almangus doens't like Fate - therefore it's a USELESS stat for Captains.

Fate stacking, as the itemization is currently, sacrifices too much of the other stuff to make us work.

Therefore, stacking fate is an extremely stupid way to play the captain - because you end up with infinite power, but hit/heal like a pansy. If we had more might/fate gear (aside from the Menestaid set), I would probably lean towards a higher fate build because that would fix the ICPR problems, and give us crit to boot.

I don't hate the stat, I find it less than appealing giving the current itemization (which is a problem that has plagued this class for a very, very long time).

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Almagnus doens't like the HoH Legendary Trait - therefore it's a WORTHLESS trait for captains.

When raiding, it's less than appealing. I still run it when I'm healing 3 mans, and occasionally in other places as well.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Almangus doesn't like to use heralds - therefore they are WORTHLESS.

I typically have a herald out in skirmishes and soloing. Occasionally when HoH traited because it syncs well with the Gallant Commander set bonus.

What were you saying about worthless?

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Almagnus can't heal a tier2 Darg run with a non-tank - therefore Captain healing SUCKS and NEEDS ALL THE HELP IT CAN GET

It gets difficult at the end. If the tank is squishy, it gets even harder (if not impossible). And FRAPs yourself doing this with a DPS champ of ~8k morale, or this is a case of the pot calling a kettle black.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Almangus doesn't use the Menestaid set - therefore... yeah, I think you get the picture...

Current HoH setup is 3 Menestaid/3 Gallant Commander... 3 Perserverance/3 Gallant Commander is better.

Wait, what?

tl-dr:
The only things worthless on these forums, Jeremi, is your trolling self, and the bad advice you present. If you stop flaming me, you might actually see this topic (and many other) return to normal.

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