Thread: It's high time this happened... ATTENTION DEVS

Originally Posted by Armitas

Self bubble....turns into a morale bubble...turns captain into a minstrel. Whaaaaaat? That's one heck of a slippery slope.

Yes, it's one coated in Teflon =P

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Nor do I see why it would need to be nerfed.

This does not surprise me.

Classes are balanced against content. It's already hard enough for Turbine to balance content with the mere existence of a Captain--they're so good, it's tough to make instances that are still completable without them that aren't trivial *with* them. When you give a great skill a new use, making it better, you run the risk of either needing to make content harder (and closer and closer to requiring certain classes) or leaving it as trivially easy for groups who have more of Class X.

This may explain why you're getting such negative feedback (in conjunction with your poor attitude to anyone who disagrees). I'd bet that most Captains believe we're in a very good place right now...asking for buffs that will likely cause nerfs will just put us on a see-saw (hi Wardens!) course, and I think there's very little chance that they'd leave us any better off than we are now.

Originally Posted by Frisco

This does not surprise me.

Classes are balanced against content. It's already hard enough for Turbine to balance content with the mere existence of a Captain--they're so good, it's tough to make instances that are still completable without them that aren't trivial *with* them. When you give a great skill a new use, making it better, you run the risk of either needing to make content harder (and closer and closer to requiring certain classes) or leaving it as trivially easy for groups who have more of Class X.

This may explain why you're getting such negative feedback (in conjunction with your poor attitude to anyone who disagrees). I'd bet that most Captains believe we're in a very good place right now...asking for buffs that will likely cause nerfs will just put us on a see-saw (hi Wardens!) course, and I think there's very little chance that they'd leave us any better off than we are now.

Frisco, ok I have a few thoughts, especially since you decided to join the chorus.

First off, this skill is already usuable on other players. So if it's not over-powered for them, it won't be for us either.

I'm already on record as saying Captain is a very strong class right now without any major flaws. An opinion I was flamed for lol So stop acting like I don't appreciate the strong position Captains are in. That being said however - nothing is perfect, and improvements can always be made. This is one such improvement in my opinion.

Your opinions about my "attitude" don't interest me. I haven't said anything rude to you - you should extend me that same courtesy. Unless you are wanting a piece of my attitude also - cause I will give you some if you really want me to and keep asking for it

Originally Posted by Armitas

Self bubble....turns into a morale bubble...turns captain into a minstrel. That's one heck of a slippery slope.

It's also a leap in logic, assuming that's what I meant.

Still, it's not that slippery to assume that caving to "self-bubble" demands will eventually lead to more "self heal" demands (indeed, how many threads over the last 5 years have been made about making WoC usable on ourselves?)

Captains bubbling themselves, in addition to other problems it would cause, just struck me as a very un-Captain-like thing to do. Being able to save others is our forte. Healing a Captain is the Minstrel/RK's job. We don't need to be perfectly fitted into the "main healer" role.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Unless you are wanting a piece of my attitude also - cause I will give you some if you really want me to and keep asking for it

It doesn't have to be directed at me for me to grow tired of it. Which I have. I'm not arguing with you, I'm arguing with the idea. Get over yourself, and maybe you'll one day be able to have a productive discussion!

Originally Posted by Frisco

It's also a leap in logic, assuming that's what I meant.

Still, it's not that slippery to assume that caving to "self-bubble" demands will eventually lead to more "self heal" demands (indeed, how many threads over the last 5 years have been made about making WoC usable on ourselves?)

Captains bubbling themselves, in addition to other problems it would cause, just struck me as a very un-Captain-like thing to do. Being able to save others is our forte. Healing a Captain is the Minstrel/RK's job. We don't need to be perfectly fitted into the "main healer" role.

Oh... well that's grand. By the logic no one should have any self-preservation moves.

Everyone should just have a rune keeper or ministrel stuffed in their pocket to save them. Sadly that isn't reasonable or realistic. And why a Captain being able to use a captain ability on themselves is "un-Captain-like" is something I will deffinitely never understand.

And your assertion that allowing shield of the dunedain to be self-targetable would lead to Captains demanding more "self heals" is dubious at best...

I have actually come out in the past defending Turbine's decesion to make Words of Courage no longer castable on the Captain.

Originally Posted by Frisco

It doesn't have to be directed at me for me to grow tired of it. Which I have. I'm not arguing with you, I'm arguing with the idea. Get over yourself, and maybe you'll one day be able to have a productive discussion!

You are the one who needs to get over yourself Frisco. Apparantly you think you are the moral in cheif of this forum and have a right to lecture me about my attitude lol

You aren't. And I can show all the attitude I want. If you don't like it, don't read my posts. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Frisco

It doesn't have to be directed at me for me to grow tired of it. Which I have. I'm not arguing with you, I'm arguing with the idea. Get over yourself, and maybe you'll one day be able to have a productive discussion!

Give it up dude....

As much as we can hope that our (not quite so) dearly beloved troll will learn, I have little doubt that it will take anything helpful that many of us (myself included) have tried to tell it to heart.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Give it up dude....

As much as we can hope that our (not quite so) dearly beloved troll will learn, I have little doubt that it will take anything helpful that many of us (myself included) have tried to tell it to heart.

Again with this "troll" thing. I am not a troll Almagnus...

I created this thread because I really do honestly believe this a solid and beneficial change that should take place. It was not my intent to start a flame war - and I was completely taken unawares lol I never knew such a suggestion could generate such controversy. In fact I was really hoping this would be the one thing we could all agree on. Boy was I mistaken...

Like I said in an earlier post, just too many delicate egos in here that can't handle my conversation style. And that is fine. If you find my attitude "offensive" or w/e, that's cool and I don't take it personal if have to place me on ignore. Just do one or the other. Don't claim to have placed me on ingore than constantly complain about my posts. That's what I have a beef with.

And I was perfectly willing to have a so-called "productive" conversation with Frisco about this. It was him who decided to start talking about me and my attitude and act like my mother

Originally Posted by Jeremi

It can already be used on other players Lupini.

/emote-confused

Yes, I know the skill can only be used on other players.

I understood you wanted it to be able to be used on your own character. By my reasoning, that would provide your character almost 40 seconds of near invulnerability. Take a fellowship, all they have to do is make it so the captain doesn't use SoTD or LS until the last minute of a battle (and has some morale on them), and ta-dah...instant win even if all the other members are studying the floor when the boss dies. That sort of emergent game-play makes developers sad pandas and makes them change skills.

As far as Last Stand. It's a good skill, but has it's limits - and having to reduce you hp to nearly 0 is not ideal in a lot of situations.

This illustrates a difficulty I have with many of your suggestions as you first propose them...I do not feel like you are taking the synergy of skills used together into account as much as needed. Last Stand alone, yes...that morale hit seems limiting. Last Stand with other skills, our own and other classes, is a really good skill. It's the envy of other classes.

SoTD used on ourselves by itself would be useful. When considering how that would work with all the other skills in the game...I can imagine that things could get over the top. Those synergistic possibilities is what the rest of us are discussing.

That being said I don't PvP. So if your argument centers around that aspect of the game, I can't really comment.

No, my comments don't center around that aspect. It was just another synergistic aspect of having a self-targeting SoTD. While "class balance" in the 'moors is something of a joke, this skill would be a big step away from that idea for people that do play in the 'moors.

As for the rest of the posts...

Jeremi, you often have really good ideas. Unfortunately your good ideas often get lost in the noise of defensive follow-up posts you can't seem to avoid. For the sake of your good ideas, perhaps taking things a bit less personally (or confirming that someone meant to be personally insulting first) would be a better policy.

Whether you intended it or not, making a "demand/end of discussion" type post in a discussion forum is...yes, trolling. By now you KNOW this group will discuss EVERYTHING, will have differences of opinion, and some of those may seem personal if you allow yourself to take it that way. We'll argue about which direction the earth is rotating. Setting oneself up like that and then complaining about the outcome = trolling. You are better than that--captains are better than that.

Respectfully,
Svan

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Give it up dude....

As much as we can hope that our (not quite so) dearly beloved troll will learn, I have little doubt that it will take anything helpful that many of us (myself included) have tried to tell it to heart.

I kinda got the impression that this was his M.O., but I wasn't sure. But I just read his comment blaming "delicate egos" for not being able to handle his "posting style"...and yeah, getting the impression that he has a little work to do on his social skills. Live and learn!

Originally Posted by Lupini

Jeremi, you often have really good ideas.

I want to echo this.

Sometimes you come up with really good ideas (like the OP), but they get lost in all the white noise you produce when you respond.

This is an ability, that if correctly placed in the class, would be a signature ability. To figure out where to place it, the idea needs to be deconstructed, talked over, and put back together - which also helps the devs when they figure out what to, and what not to add to the class.

Originally Posted by Lupini

/emote-confused

Yes, I know the skill can only be used on other players.

I understood you wanted it to be able to be used on your own character. By my reasoning, that would provide your character almost 40 seconds of near invulnerability. Take a fellowship, all they have to do is make it so the captain doesn't use SoTD or LS until the last minute of a battle (and has some morale on them), and ta-dah...instant win even if all the other members are studying the floor when the boss dies. That sort of emergent game-play makes developers sad pandas and makes them change skills.



This illustrates a difficulty I have with many of your suggestions as you first propose them...I do not feel like you are taking the synergy of skills used together into account as much as needed. Last Stand alone, yes...that morale hit seems limiting. Last Stand with other skills, our own and other classes, is a really good skill. It's the envy of other classes.

SoTD used on ourselves by itself would be useful. When considering how that would work with all the other skills in the game...I can imagine that things could get over the top. Those synergistic possibilities is what the rest of us are discussing.



No, my comments don't center around that aspect. It was just another synergistic aspect of having a self-targeting SoTD. While "class balance" in the 'moors is something of a joke, this skill would be a big step away from that idea for people that do play in the 'moors.

As for the rest of the posts...

Jeremi, you often have really good ideas. Unfortunately your good ideas often get lost in the noise of defensive follow-up posts you can't seem to avoid. For the sake of your good ideas, perhaps taking things a bit less personally (or confirming that someone meant to be personally insulting first) would be a better policy.

Whether you intended it or not, making a "demand/end of discussion" type post in a discussion forum is...yes, trolling. By now you KNOW this group will discuss EVERYTHING, will have differences of opinion, and some of those may seem personal if you allow yourself to take it that way. We'll argue about which direction the earth is rotating. Setting oneself up like that and then complaining about the outcome = trolling. You are better than that--captains are better than that.

Respectfully,
Svan

I"m not good at piecing apart posts so I'll respond generally. I admire your very gentle response, so I will try my best to respond in kind.

I am to assume you feel Last Stand coupled with Shield of the Dunedain as a Captain would be an over-powered combination then. I don't really see this - as Last Stand can already be coupled with In Harms way and then followed by Shield of the Dunedain on other players - and there really isn't that much difference and that has never struck me as an over-powered mechanic. So on this, I will "respectfully" disagree. I dont' think it would be over-powered for the Captain to be able to string the two together.

My "End of story" comment was just how I try to forcefully make my points Lupini. It wasn't meant as a troll response to shut down discussion. And I already apologized to the poster I unfairly lashed out at. That's all I can do - so I have taken responsiblity for my error. No need for people to keep beating me up over it

And I dont' really complain about the outcomes Lupini. The only things that annoy me is when posters who have claimed to have placed me on ignore don't ingore me. That's what I complain about, and I believe rightfully so. I have no problem with people who find me offensive putting me on ignore. In fact I welcome it and encourage it. But when they claim to have put me on ignore then continuously sneak in annoying little comments aimed at me that comes across as churlish to me, and yes - it aggravates me and I say so.

Respectfully,
Jeremi ^^

Originally Posted by Frisco

I kinda got the impression that this was his M.O., but I wasn't sure. But I just read his comment blaming "delicate egos" for not being able to handle his "posting style"...and yeah, getting the impression that he has a little work to do on his social skills. Live and learn!

Frisco, I socialize just fine. When I come into a forum my purpose is to forcefully put forth a point of view and aggressively defend them. Not make friends or step on eggshells.

I understand you have a problem with my attitude, and that is just fine. If you want to put me on ignore, I won't hold it against you

Prolly gonna get flamed (and thus regret it), but....

Originally Posted by Jeremi

When I come into a forum my purpose is to forcefully put forth a point of view and aggressively defend them. Not make friends or step on eggshells.

Perhaps you should try to make friends with a lot of the captains here. There is an awesome community, and a really good think tank here.

Try to be part of it in a friendly manner.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Aw... looks like someone is still upset at me because I didn't agree with their "stackable marks" suggestion so now they are looking for some payback lol

It was nothing personal ^^

And "almost immortal" my ###...

You should come on over to Nimrodel Captain of the Sweeds. I'll introduce you to all sorts of things that will remind your captain of his mortality

Rofl, do you really think i recall you?
Sorry to say i did not, but i felt free to have my opinion

And calm down, no need to jump at everyone having their opinion.
If you want me on Nimrodel, just pay my servertransfer and ill pop in to say hello

Originally Posted by CaptainSweden

Rofl, do you really think i recall you?
Sorry to say i did not, but i felt free to have my opinion

And calm down, no need to jump at everyone having their opinion.
If you want me on Nimrodel, just pay my servertransfer and ill pop in to say hello

Rumor is you can't transfer back.

i responded to this thread yesterday and my post is gone... deleted? for the highly offensive and controversial opinion of, "id rather see it work cross-group."

i know, i should be careful reposting something so awful.

Originally Posted by SapienChavez

i responded to this thread yesterday and my post is gone... deleted? for the highly offensive and controversial opinion of, "id rather see it work cross-group."

i know, i should be careful reposting something so awful.

I'd attribute it to eternal Beta that is the forums rather than censorship myself. The forums
are pretty buggy sometimes. If it had been a convincing post on the evils of the Store with
choice words about some competing MMO being better then it might be tinfoil hat time.
A message about SOTD being cross group, not so much.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

It's time Shield of the Dunedain was allowed to be self-targeted.

Change this!

SoTD definatly does not need to be self-targetting, there is no content which requires this at all, bar PVP but then it would just kill PVP even more.

SoTD i would agree needs to be as good as WLs at -90% and usable on any member in a 12 man / 24 man raid bar yourself.

There are other classes with bubbles or damage reduction that they can cast on themselves.
Therefore I'm going to invoke another captain's argument against this topic:

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Besides, there is a strange logic that appears on this forum from time to time that assumes just because another class can do something that means the Captain class should be able to do it as well. Very odd way of thinking to me.

If that's the way people want things, then why have different classes at all. Might as well just have one single super class that can do everything with equal effectiveness. What a boring game that would be.

Also shield of the dunedain is already good enough.. why make it better?
To quote a great captain...

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Yes... I can call it good because it is a useful skill... this isn't rockent (sic) science here. That is what makes a skill "good". The fact that it is "useful".
[...] But people need to stop exagerating the problems Captains have on this forum by calling everything we have that isnt' as good as someone's else AWFUl, PATHETIC, A WASTE... because our (bubble) isn't any of those.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

So to put it simply, I use it a lot and it saves me a lot of damage and time when facing down certain monsters. So that puts it in the win column for me. It may not be as good as other classes, but it's still a great skill worth using IMHO.

I rest my case.

Needs to be raid-wide, not just fellow-wide, or even better cast-able on anyone even if not in group.

Originally Posted by MessyR

SoTD definatly does not need to be self-targetting, there is no content which requires this at all, bar PVP but then it would just kill PVP even more.

SoTD i would agree needs to be as good as WLs at -90% and usable on any member in a 12 man / 24 man raid bar yourself.

Cross-raid SotD is something I could get behind. Along with Motivate, which would just be an amazing convenience with little change in the effectiveness of the skill. Some other skills, like banners/heralds, IDoME, and Make Haste maybe, too, but that would involve considerable buffs to the skills. I'd be wary of the huge benefit of making banners raid-wide, and Make Haste would have a big effect on the 'moors, but I can see IDoME not being a giant buff, and allowing more freedom in legendary choice.

Originally Posted by DuneBug

There are other classes with bubbles or damage reduction that they can cast on themselves.
Therefore I'm going to invoke another captain's argument against this topic:



Also shield of the dunedain is already good enough.. why make it better?
To quote a great captain...





I rest my case.

Well ty for calling me a "great captain" You are great also. See, I can be a nice guy.

And to answer your question Dunebug it's pretty simple - I don't think it's "good enough". I think it should be better, and self-targetable. I thought I made that obvious.

And I never called it "worthless" either... to respond more directly to those quotes of mine you posted earlier. My beef was with people who would go on some tirade about a good skill we have being worthless and useless simply because another class had something a little better.

I've never called Shield of the Dunedain a worthless skill. In fact I've said it was very good. But something can be good yet still have room for improvement. And I believe that is the case here.

So if you are "resting your case" on that, good thing you not a lawyer lol

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Prolly gonna get flamed (and thus regret it), but....



Perhaps you should try to make friends with a lot of the captains here. There is an awesome community, and a really good think tank here.

Try to be part of it in a friendly manner.

Nah, that's ok Almagnus. I like my buddies in the flesh - not words in a forum. The day my 'friends' are forum avatars is the day I just kill myself and get it over with lol

And I only "flame" you when you have deserved it. I've only attacked one person on these forums unfairly, and I apologized for it. So my conscious is clean

As far as this being an "awesome" community. Not really. Not everyone on this Captain forum is bad mind you - but the lack of tolerance for new ideas and the almost sickening conformity that was present on this forum is some of the worst I've seen to be honest. That's one of the reasons I sticked around and took the heat.

My real intent has always been to shake this place up a bit and break the stale molds that were being propped up as the only way to do things.

It happens sometimes on forums. A couple of "bigwigs" end up thinking they run the place, and basically bully everyone into acceping their point of view by ganging up on any opposing views. Luckily for me though I don't mind being ganged up on. And as you have already no doubt noticed, I can be very difficult to run off and conform ^^

Originally Posted by CaptainSweden

Rofl, do you really think i recall you?
Sorry to say i did not, but i felt free to have my opinion

And calm down, no need to jump at everyone having their opinion.
If you want me on Nimrodel, just pay my servertransfer and ill pop in to say hello

I'm perfectly "calm" sweden. So many of you guys must live such relaxed lives if you think I"m upset.

Not sure If I believe you on what you said - but I'll take your word for I guess. You seemed vindictive to me, but maybe I was wrong It certainly happens.

Originally Posted by MessyR

SoTD definatly does not need to be self-targetting, there is no content which requires this at all, bar PVP but then it would just kill PVP even more.

SoTD i would agree needs to be as good as WLs at -90% and usable on any member in a 12 man / 24 man raid bar yourself.

Well I feel it should be self-targeting. And there IS content which it would be quite useful in. Not all of us are "immortal" like so many other captains on this thread, and I find myself in situations ALL THE TIME where this would be most helpful.

Far as PvP concerns, I can't really comment on that. So you may or may not have a point there. i woudn't know.

I don't like the idea to make it raid-wide either. I"m very much opposed to expecting captains to take care of an entire raid rather their own singular group - so I oppose any changes that encourage that practice.

When you invite this Captain to a raid, I take care of MY group and that's it. Unless it's a raise... I will give someone in the other group a battle-raise if needed. But that's where I draw the line.

Originally Posted by SapienChavez

i responded to this thread yesterday and my post is gone... deleted? for the highly offensive and controversial opinion of, "id rather see it work cross-group."

i know, i should be careful reposting something so awful.

I deleted it Sapien. Your posts are not welcome in my thread.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

...
When you invite this Captain to a raid, I take care of MY group and that's it. Unless it's a raise... I will give someone in the other group a battle-raise if needed. But that's where I draw the line. ...

Thats rather short-sighted.

I too of course am primarily busy with what happens on my side of the raid. But if I can use my "powers" to help out the other side... who can argue against that? Just like I expect to be healed or buffed by people from the other side as well when they have the means to do so... except that there IS no other side, just an artifical division.

Originally Posted by Vandervahn

Thats rather short-sighted.

I too of course am primarily busy with what happens on my side of the raid. But if I can use my "powers" to help out the other side... who can argue against that? Just like I expect to be healed or buffed by people from the other side as well when they have the means to do so... except that there IS no other side, just an artifical division.

Vander, I wasn't arguing against it. Play like you wish. I was simply expressing my own personal view on the matter.

And you may think I'm short-sighted if you wish as well. That's deffinitely your right But I consider it "long-sighted". Give a mouse a cookie, he's going to want a glass of milk.

Well as someone said and I agreed with we are almost immortal in solo.

And in this game have 2 ways of playing: Solo or Group.

In Solo we really dont need it, Captains rock and if you're complaining you must be doing something very rong.

In Group well it works so no point on changing that.

If this game will start "balancing" the skills to fit PVP maniacs well in a year this will be WOW.

Captains as they are a good balance class we can do anything although there is always someone better than us execpt in the supporting role of groups and Shield of the Dunedain is one of the thing that make it so.

Originally Posted by Krakenheim

Well as someone said and I agreed with we are almost immortal in solo.

And in this game have 2 ways of playing: Solo or Group.

In Solo we really dont need it, Captains rock and if you're complaining you must be doing something very rong.

In Group well it works so no point on changing that.

If this game will start "balancing" the skills to fit PVP maniacs well in a year this will be WOW.

Captains as they are a good balance class we can do anything although there is always someone better than us execpt in the supporting role of groups and Shield of the Dunedain is one of the thing that make it so.

Kraken, I've read those post 3 times now and still can't make any sense of it.

Why you Captains keep bringing up being able to solo solo content as some incredible argument as to why Shield of the Dunedain shoudn't be self-targetable is absolutely beyond me. Seriously. I cannot make any sense out of this logic. But hey, maybe I"m just dumb

I could introduce you to all sorts of mobs on the so-called "landscape" that would eat you for breakfast. You aren't as "immortal" as you think. Though what that has to do with Shield of the Dunedain I haven't a clue.

I repeatidly come out on these forums defending Captains against the naysayers. No one is more "pro-captain" than me on this forum. In fact, it gets me into a great many arguments here. So why you feel the need to keep telling me that captains are a good class is equally puzzling.

So I guess i'll end with this:

I am glad you feel captains "rock". I enjoy the class as well. But that doens't mean being able to target yourself with Shield of the Dunedain wouldnt' be a good change. And believe it or not, Captains take damage...yes, even while they are in groups. And it would help in many different situations on this game, rather in a group or while soloing - and rather you admit it or not. Not to mention it could be teamed up with IN Harms way every 5/2.5 minutes, instead of the every 15 minutes like with Last Stand - which would be nothing short of awesome.

So yeah, we dont' agree. About anything - except that Captain is a cool class.

Now I will give you two examples of when a Self-Targetable Shield of the Dunedain would be of use. A solo example. And a Group example.

1. Let's say I'm out and about killing trees for my daily in Limelight Gorge. Uh oh, a tree spawned nearby I didn't see so I got a link. I use Shield of the Dunedain to buy me extra time so I can finish off the tree I was fighting then go after the link. Not only was it useful, but it probably just saved my life.

2. I'm doing Pits tier2. The tank is a little slow about moving the boss off the gas clouds. I get hammered between the boss's AoE and gas bubbles. My morale is about to dissapear and my tank needs healing. So what do I do? I use shield of the Dunedain on myself, heal the tank - then concentrate on building my morale back up for the rest of its duration. Not only was it useful... but it saved the group from a wipe!

And if those two examples aren't good enough for you let me know. I'll give you two more if you want.

Why do people still reply to this guy?

Originally Posted by Uron

Why do people still reply to this guy?

Uron, probably for the same reason you just did.

YOu just can't help yourself

Put me on ignore if you want. Otherwise stop complaining about my posts and stop reading them. It's an easy solution.

Id support this as long as it would only be achieved through Leader of Men traitline. Ltc nor HoH need it. And would be nice if it activated
Immediately on execution. Would do wonder to improving our tanking line.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

But hey, maybe I"m just dumb

We've got progress! He's completed the first step!

Originally Posted by Uron

Why do people still reply to this guy?

It's like making fun of the kid that rides the short bus, sometimes the results are absolutely hilarious, but you know it's totally wrong.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

We've got progress! He's completed the first step!



It's like making fun of the kid that rides the short bus, sometimes the results are absolutely hilarious, but you know it's totally wrong.

Almagnus, you are a walking talking example of what the word "dumb" looks like in person. And they wouldn't be able to find a bus short enough to put you in lol

Tell me again how making our herald equal to a skirmish solider woudn't make us over-powered. Or explain to me again how Fate is a worthless stat and the ICPR it gives should be completely ignored. Or why Captains suck as healers...or our DPS is worthless, or our Kick ability is useless...I could go on forever really.

No one on this forum has consistently posted such exagerated nonsense as you have, so please - insult me all you wish. Everytime you do so, I take it as the utmost compliement lol

If you agreed with me. Now then I would be worried.

Originally Posted by GeoTerran

Id support this as long as it would only be achieved through Leader of Men traitline. Ltc nor HoH need it. And would be nice if it activated
Immediately on execution. Would do wonder to improving our tanking line.

I can understand where you are going with this Geo. It's the tanking-line so it makes sense that they should get priority on the defense buff. And considering the tanking-line on Captains is so rare, it probably could use some buffs.

But while it may not be "needed", it would sure be nice, so I'm going to disagree here on pure selfish reasons - because I want it and I play as HoH

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Now I will give you two examples of when a Self-Targetable Shield of the Dunedain would be of use. A solo example. And a Group example.

1. Let's say I'm out and about killing trees for my daily in Limelight Gorge. Uh oh, a tree spawned nearby I didn't see so I got a link. I use Shield of the Dunedain to buy me extra time so I can finish off the tree I was fighting then go after the link. Not only was it useful, but it probably just saved my life.

2. I'm doing Pits tier2. The tank is a little slow about moving the boss off the gas clouds. I get hammered between the boss's AoE and gas bubbles. My morale is about to dissapear and my tank needs healing. So what do I do? I use shield of the Dunedain on myself, heal the tank - then concentrate on building my morale back up for the rest of its duration. Not only was it useful... but it saved the group from a wipe!

Jeremi,

Well solo case: yeah it sucks big time we aren´t able to solo RAIDS !!!!

We need to be buffed ASAP !

This is the kind of thinking that really get on my nerves Limlight trees are designed as 3-mans not as SOLO content and we can beat ANY solo designed content we dont need more things to do that.

Nice link about captain and solo here: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...in-Solo-Thread

As for the second there is a thing (among anothers) that capts use in that case, its called Last Stand and it have very long cooldown timer which make it great because you have to manage it well as so its balanced.

But from the "Limelight solo" idea I dont think balance is really on your mind.

Originally Posted by Krakenheim

Nice link about captain and solo here: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...in-Solo-Thread

That's also a collection of the most skilled captains on the forums.