Discussion: Less QQ more Pew Pew

The QQ in these forums is epic. First, let me say Freeps are NOT invincible. I have beaten all these supposed great players(1V1) on this server, as im sure Arctic has and probably Sexy-Sadie, like Tarsolo(went down pretty easy), Treelios(good fight with him but in the end he went down as well), Radar and Celebreana(both went down with quite ease), Wulfram, Danethor, Stryka, Dagr, Jetsu, Nutty and thats just to name a few. Now, mind you, I dont win every time.

If yall would focus on the quest at hand, KILLING FREEPS and not spend all the energy with Forum wars and figure out a viable strategy then maybe there would be less QQ and more killing.

The point of this was yall complain daily how hard it is to kill Freeps. Well im here to say ITS NOT. Change your playstyles, learn to adapt. I did and i did quite well, so well, i quit playing my warg as it got to easy. Same reason i quit my RK.

Fyi my warg was/is RABIDSKUM.

I currently am leveling a Reaver...Ill reserve giving the name until i hit rank 7 and see what they can really do.

since wargs got flayer stance, i remembered having loss to you twice, one time in east ta ford, in the middle of the river, with a norbog on me at the same time, and you used your brand, and once in isen, once again brand and i was having at least 1 cave-claw, but you seemed to had forgot our 3-4 next encounters in 20 minutes starting in grothum and finishing in the middle of isen the last time, and i remembered you were not close at all in those 3-4 fights one mate. And i remembered too the last time i met your rk, you have won that fight, i did the stealth maul for starting it, and i had to used my sprint to get you off your horse, didnt think to used my disappear offensively, and still managed to drop you down enough that you didnt get the choice to heals yourself for staying alive, and without me using a brand.

Your point is moot. You still died in most of the instances. My point once again is Freeps ARE NOT invincible. This thread isnt here to for people to Epeen or say, "well this happened and you used this and that" the point once again is...FREEPS CAN BE KILLED WITH EASE. Ive done it, plenty others have done it, there is no reason everyone cant do it.

Wilandria is a noob.

Hi Rabid, what's up bro?

Lol...g'day mate

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The point of this was yall complain daily how hard it is to kill Freeps. Well im here to say ITS NOT. Change your playstyles, learn to adapt. I did and i did quite well, so well, i quit playing my warg as it got to easy. Same reason i quit my RK.

We all know you are a good player Wil, thats a given. This being said, i want to point out a few things...

You played the 2 easiest class in the Moors, for each side. RKs are definatly the toughest class to win against for any creep class, hands down. Their high burst, on the move/range DPS coupled with their CC abilities make them absolute beasts.

Wargs is the only creep class that can curretly pretend to be roughly on par with a freep. This also explain why theres so many of them now. At any given moment in the Moors, they represent 40-50% of the total creep population. Its no coincidence.

I highly doubt youll be saying the same thing with your reaver, unless some very needed revamp come from Turbine devs.

Speak for yourself Bio, I am superior to all freeps.

Both classes i chose at the time were far from ez-mode. I learned the mechanics of my classes and became proficient, whereas it seems alot of people dont/didnt, they prefer to zerg up and hope the numbers will win the fight. Now, yes they can be considered that. Ill pose this to you though, if wargs are such ez mode then why all the QQ from them. The reason: they havent learned to adapt!!

Ill even go so far as to agree with Luc. In that before the last update all freep classes could take out 3-4 maybe more creeps. I personally remember taking out 6-7 wargs in a pack that Peeba was running. Now you rarely see that. Creeps are more powerful now than they have been in the past and i agree with Luc on this.

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Creeps are more powerful now than they have been in the past and i agree with Luc on this.

Ill agree too, when you will be able to confirm you downed with your reaver all the Freeps you named in your OP.

Ill keep you informed. My game time has drastically dropped with class, work and working out regularly. I rarely game anymore.

hey wil peebaa still hates you but yea creeps areway tough now unless your a freep with top gear your in trouble out there. creeps are QQing way to damm much. used my guard out there and couldnot believe how much tougher they are now days. he is like 3/4 geared up. less QQ more fighty fight pple..

I didn't know lifting a Big Mac to your mouth was considered a workout Wilandria, you fatty noob.

Rabid, you work out bro? That's cool, not that you need it.

*twitches*

Gutlard gave me tips on working out. Im following his plan to a T as in Terayaki steak and cheese. Who eats Big Macs? Hardees burgers are where its at, NOOB.

But seriously, this P90X program is awesome.

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Gutlard gave me tips on working out. Im following his plan to a T as in Terayaki steak and cheese. Who eats Big Macs? Hardees burgers are where its at, NOOB.

But seriously, this P90X program is awesome.

Only really bad freeps can be killed by creeps in 1v1.

Freeps have better DPS, better heals, better CC etc.

Good minstrels, RKs and champs (the strongest freep classes imo) should kill all creep classes even defilers using improved flies.

Rabid, you win becuz you are a better player and your class is pretty strong. I doubt you will be saying the same thing with your reaver.

Whether im good or not isnt the issue. Taking down a freep isnt impossible, like some like to QQ about. Its knowing your class mechanics and when to use a certain skills at given points in the fight. Other creep classes do quite well, if played by someone that KNOWS their class.

Mlsoun, Puru, Burglartarget and UglyMF, just to name a few do fine as well. They arent wargs.

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Whether im good or not isnt the issue. Taking down a freep isnt impossible, like some like to QQ about. Its knowing your class mechanics and when to use a certain skills at given points in the fight. Other creep classes do quite well, if played by someone that KNOWS their class.

Mlsoun, Puru, Burglartarget and UglyMF, just to name a few do fine as well. They arent wargs.

psh there ezmoders though =)

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We all know you are a good player Wil, thats a given. This being said, i want to point out a few things...

You played the 2 easiest class in the Moors, for each side. RKs are definatly the toughest class to win against for any creep class, hands down. Their high burst, on the move/range DPS coupled with their CC abilities make them absolute beasts.

Wargs is the only creep class that can curretly pretend to be roughly on par with a freep. This also explain why theres so many of them now. At any given moment in the Moors, they represent 40-50% of the total creep population. Its no coincidence.

I highly doubt youll be saying the same thing with your reaver, unless some very needed revamp come from Turbine devs.

In Wils defense, and trust me I do this loosely He retired his warg right around the time they got the big boost.

Well, thanks for coming to my defense Plok, but i retired my warg only about a month ago. So, i was there for the big dps boost to freeps and wargs. The original point of this thread is still there though. Those fights i described were post ROI.


You probably had me on ignore. hehehehehehe

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Your point is moot. You still died in most of the instances. My point once again is Freeps ARE NOT invincible. This thread isnt here to for people to Epeen or say, "well this happened and you used this and that" the point once again is...FREEPS CAN BE KILLED WITH EASE. Ive done it, plenty others have done it, there is no reason everyone cant do it.

It definitely does matter what happened in the fights. If the only way to kill freeps is with a brand then chances are you're not finding beating them very easy.

Correct me if I'm wrong but we have only fought 1v1 in 4 instances, 3 in which you lost.

1. Top of GV hill, you were rank 7 (or 8?). I was semi-afk because my mouse was malfunctioning so when you engaged I had to use my trackpad. You were branded during this fight. This was the only time I recall dying to you.

2. Bottom of GV hill, you had a brand popped. I won the fight because of a lucky EC crit and lived with about 2k health.

3. TR Lawn (1), You engaged with a brand and died.

4. TR Lawn (2), about a minute after you died I was engaged by a spider that left me at 3k health. You came back from the rez and engaged me with 3k health and dots still on me. Your brand and Hips/Sprint must have still been on CD so it was pretty easy to kite and kill you.

I can't recall that we have had any other fights (or any recent fights for that matter).

I will openly admit that I have died to Sadie and Arctic 1v1. Wargs can burst me pretty easily and they're nearly impossible to kite (unless they don't slow/sprint/HIPS pounce). This causes the fight to be based largely on crits.

Keep in mind, it's a lot harder to beat a freep than a creep. This fact alone is enough reason for creeps to QQ.

You are actually very wrong. I have caught you several times while rez camping Tr and have beaten you about 80% and a few times coming out of GV. The reason i remember is, i was duoed and asked my buddy to not help. Those other fights you posted , those happened as well, but ive always found it amazing, when either side forgets the losses they have taken and only remembers their wins!! If all it takes to kill any freep class is a brand, then the Moors is in a sadder state than i originally thought. Brands are not auto-wins. This once again goes back to my original statement that most dont learn to adapt.

Once again digressing from the main point. Freeps are not invincible.

To the OP:

Just out of curiosity,


from all those fights that you won against hard to kill opponents, how many of those caught you unprepared?


I'm sure choosing and timing your fights doesn't make any difference on the outcome, but I am just curious.

Of the fights with the champs, i started most out of stealth and in flayer, so we were actually both prepared. The hunters 90% of the time they caught me 1st and popped me, not saying i stayed for all those fights, but a majority i did. As for the rks, im usually stealthed when i engage them, as i am for the burgs.

Being i caught them 1st or they caught me is of no importance. The creep QQ is in the point that freeps are invincible and as ive said numerous times in this thread..THEY ARE NOT.

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If all it takes to kill any freep class is a brand, then the Moors is in a sadder state than i originally thought. Brands are not auto-wins. This once again goes back to my original statement that most dont learn to adapt.

It depends on the class. As an RK, unless you plan on using your gear and lucky crits as a crutch, you're mainly going to be relying on your slow, your Stun and your mez for survivability (this is slightly out of date now due to audacity).

RKs are the squishiest class in the game; we get our ability to survive a fight through crit based damage that can be used on the move. When you take away our CC skills that give us the distance needed to kite, we become very squishy. It also means all we can do is damage, therefore basing the fight off crits. When you combine the inability to kite with the fact that we're unable to do anything for 5+ seconds during the fight, the chances of the RK winning is heavily diminished because of too much damage. (Mostly applies to pre-update 6)

However, I wouldn't expect you to know any of this, it's not like you have an RK.

I assume this would apply similarly with other squishy classes. For example, hunters (can't fear) and minis (can't fear, stun or slow).

You seem to seriously underestimate the power or brands. Depending on the class, they often make the difference between a win and a loss. Think about it this way:

If the same people you fought were using a brand would you have still won?
If you had not used a brand against them would you have still won?

I have a rank 12 RK im well aware of what it takes to beat one or not. Its probably why im quite successful beating rks. If my brand is up i will use, if its down ill still fight. When i played my RK on a regular basis, i won a majority of my fights, whether they branded or not. Granted a brand does give a slight edge, but if you know your class well (not saying you dont) it wouldnt be that big of an issue.

As for your question, yes i still would have won if they branded, because some infact did. 2 of the champs did and 1 or 2 of the hunters use store brands like they are drinking water, the other rk mentioned above used a store brand as well. I like when they waste them and still lose. Nor did i use a brand, in all the fights i mentioned in my Op. By your question, you seem to think i only engage when my brand is off of cool-down.

And ill reiterate, i didnt win all the fights.

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I have a rank 12 RK im well aware of what it takes to beat one or not.

I know, that was sarcasm

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Granted a brand does give a slight edge, but if you know your class well (not saying you dont) it wouldnt be that big of an issue.

Once again the effectiveness of a brand is based on the class.

(Based on Update 5)
I think we can both agree lightning damage rotation is a faceroll when you take away CC. You basically just use skills when they're off CD and finish with PI, crit chain, epic conclusion. One's movement, kiting strategy ,and knowing when to CC at the right time IMO defines the skill of an RK. Any RK can build for high crits, morale and mitigations; that is just a matter of gear choice, time invested and how available the necessary gear is. When you take away the ability to kite and CC all you have left is pure damage. This results in the fight being based on how many times/how much you crit.

Now after update 6 (and in update 7) we can use WoH, Armor of X (for mitigations + potentially the fire bonus) and steady hands to increase survivability. The martial training buff and addition of audacity also passively increased our survivability meaning we aren't in as much danger if we do start getting hit. I haven't fought a solo branded warg in a while so I can't say to what degree these effect the outcome of the fight however, it's safe to assume it will make a large difference in the end result of the fight.

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As for your question, yes i still would have won if they branded, because some infact did. 2 of the champs did and 1 or 2 of the hunters use store brands like they are drinking water, the other rk mentioned above used a store brand as well. I like when they waste them and still lose. Nor did i use a brand, in all the fights i mentioned in my Op.

Props to you then.

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By your question, you seem to think i only engage when my brand is off of cool-down.

I was basing the questions off the fact that you always seem to be branded.

Now what leads you to believe im ALWAYS branded? Only you and 1 other mentioned i was in our encounters. Does 2 people saying i branded, constitute always?

Once again, its not the fact how you lost or what i used to kill any freep. My whole point (which you seem to be missing is, or just wanting to explain why you lost)....FREEPS ARENT invincible like the QQ says daily on OOC or the Forumz. Be it with or without a brand.

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FREEPS ARENT invincible like the QQ says daily on OOC or the Forumz.

I dont think the most used term creep side is *Invincible*, *OP* (OverPowered) would be more like. I agree that a solo creep can defeat a solo freep, 1vs1, sometimes. I have 670 KBs on Biohazzard that confirm it can be done. And im a very average PvPier when come the time of 1vs1.

You can boil down the creep QQ to: *All thing being equal (skilled players with a decently geared/ranked character), a freep player will win his 1vs1 way more often and easily than a creep player.*

And its no seen as fair by most of the creeps population, and i think rightly so.

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Now what leads you to believe im ALWAYS branded? Only you and 1 other mentioned i was in our encounters. Does 2 people saying i branded, constitute always?

I have only encountered you once without a brand which lead me to believe that you always branded before a fight. I have even seen you branded in 2v1s. I'm basing it off my own experiences with your playstyle.

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Once again, its not the fact how you lost or what i used to kill any freep. My whole point (which you seem to be missing is, or just wanting to explain why you lost)....

You made a point about my point about brands, leading to this conversation. I was not trying to explain why I lost but on the contrary how brands effect the outcome of a fight. I used RKs as an example because I know that class.

Now that you brought up why I lost, it was probably because my CD were down or I got outplayed by your brand. To add onto that I rarely played in the moors solo during update 5, chances are the fights you "beat me 80% of the time" was only about 2 or 3 times.

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FREEPS ARENT invincible like the QQ says daily on OOC or the Forumz. Be it with or without a brand.

The majority of QQ on the forums is about RvR rather than 1v1.

Majority of the QQ is about freep dps and not being able to beat any of them in GENERAL. As for rks cds....we really dont have any gamebreaking cds that would make or break a fight. If an rk cant win without Vivid, EC or Frozen Epi, which are our really long cds, the rest are relatively short 1 minute and under, then they probably shouldnt be playing.

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Majority of the QQ is about freep dps and not being able to beat any of them in GENERAL. As for rks cds....we really dont have any gamebreaking cds that would make or break a fight. If an rk cant win without Vivid, EC or Frozen Epi, which are our really long cds, the rest are relatively short 1 minute and under, then they probably shouldnt be playing.

If you think +30% crit for 15 seconds is not game changing for a spec that relies on crits for damage, you are horribly mistaken.

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If you think +30% crit for 15 seconds is not game changing for a spec that relies on crits for damage, you are horribly mistaken.

Yeah, been 5 shoted once by Radar during a TA defence. Four 2.5k crits and one 6.5k EC and bye Biohazzard, gone in 5 seconds. Absolutly nothing i could have done to prevent it.

Except trait some crit protection.