I have a fully geared with ToO 75 captain which I run almost exclusively HoH, sometimes red or yellow. I know what it can do and that's why I said ToO and ALMOST any instance. There are some he can be main heals, but he would struggle to do so, unlike a dedicated healer.
I have a fully geared with ToO 75 captain which I run almost exclusively HoH, sometimes red or yellow. I know what it can do and that's why I said ToO and ALMOST any instance. There are some he can be main heals, but he would struggle to do so, unlike a dedicated healer.
You said "but all the same can not solo heal any ToO or almost any instance." Thread says they can heal the two end game six man instances in this game. So even though the can heal the only fellowship non-scaled content in the game they can't heal "almost any instance", just making sure I understood you correctly.
(btw which class solo heals ToO, Gandalf?)
I would still use conviction out of habit. But with current updates it wouldn't surprise me if you were better off using your masteries for other gambits and using more easily built self-HoTs, using manual builders. Most of the time conviction is over healing anyway fellowship members - which builds no aggro or benefits anyone (yes I realize there is a leach). It is fun to watch people strike back against an opinion that doesn't follow conventional thinking.
I would still use conviction out of habit. But with current updates it wouldn't surprise me if you were better off using your masteries for other gambits and using more easily built self-HoTs, using manual builders. Most of the time conviction is over healing anyway fellowship members - which builds no aggro or benefits anyone (yes I realize there is a leach). It is fun to watch people strike back against an opinion that doesn't follow conventional thinking.
What opinion doesn't follow conventional thinking?
FWIW, I pretty much view Conviction, in tank stance, as you have it here. It still has it's place, but only after everything else has been done.
Originally Posted by Gandalphor
I would yet have to see cappy healing foundry t2 and especialy RoF t2. For now I don't think it's possible. I've tanked them all and I know the dmg.
I've been with cappies healing Foundry T2, no problems.
It has worked perfectly fine so far. The only iffy times are during the final boss fight. There are a couple of times when you can get hit for a nice chunk of Morale. I think both times that I have had a Captain healing I have used Never Surrender for the final fight and it has saved me both times. Obviously it is alot easier with a dedicated healing class.
What opinion doesn't follow conventional thinking?
FWIW, I pretty much view Conviction, in tank stance, as you have it here. It still has it's place, but only after everything else has been done.
I've been with cappies healing Foundry T2, no problems.
Just watching people put down the idea that conviction might not be the best gambit any longer or in this case saying a captain can't heal. Next someone will say LMs can't heal a small fellowship instance, champ can't tank, guard can't dps, warden can't tank, mini can't buff...and so on. I've run many instances without the traditional makeup and have been successful (and not with some attempts). Running 3 LMs through content is pretty hilarious and fun, but someone would probably say a LM can't tank, heal or whatever.
Conventional thinking seems to be, use conviction it is great, why would you not use it. Someone says it might not be worth the trouble since masteries can be better used on other gambits and the attacks on the poster pretty quick. Just normal mob mentality on the LOTRO forums.
edit: on bandwagon now - yes cappies can MH - seen it and been part of said groups
It has worked perfectly fine so far. The only iffy times are during the final boss fight. There are a couple of times when you can get hit for a nice chunk of Morale. I think both times that I have had a Captain healing I have used Never Surrender for the final fight and it has saved me both times. Obviously it is alot easier with a dedicated healing class.
That is the only issue I'm having with cappy heals there. Final boss,nothing else.
And I am putting the masteries also to a better use, doing conviction manualy and it's a nice add in healing and aggro. So I'm not seeing a reason to hate on it.
Just watching people put down the idea that conviction might not be the best gambit any longer
Conventional thinking seems to be, use conviction it is great, why would you not use it. Someone says it might not be worth the trouble since masteries can be better used on other gambits and the attacks on the poster pretty quick. Just normal mob mentality on the LOTRO forums.
BS. Nobody said or implied that Conviction is the best gambit, (most), quite the contrary. EWE have been a part of the warden mob mentality since your bubble was burst with RoI. Sorry if some people don't want to buff the Conviction heal to such an absurd level as outlined in the OP. And ewe talk about making the game too easy... lol.
I belong to the group that wants and likes balance. If you said something like "Conviction needs to be balanced", I would have agreed, maybe... The spamable upfront 1.2 k heal isn't very balanced... Fire with BM and get a 14,000 total group in the space of 2-3 seconds... you've just negated the need for a healer in just about every non endgame raid in the game. Sure, Conviction in tanking could use a VERY minimal tweek, but a 1.2k heal for 6 people just for firing it off is crazy. IMO.
So you agree that it's weak and that it needs tweaking? What I proposed was just an idea, by all means reject it and give us a better one, you should have been clear about this.
You ignored my suggestion about scaling the power cost up, try spamming conviction when the gambit costs 300-400 to execute and 100-200 power to build and hold threat and keep defenses and self heals up. Like I said I'd like it to be a light group emergency skill that comes with a cost rather than a trivial hot and a miserable leach. Now that I think of it we can even scale the threat leach up a little since the power cost is so high.
Originally Posted by horus418
Again, I gave you feedback which you just ignored, opinion given, first post... At least tell my WHY my opinion holds no weight...
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Originally Posted by horus418
Can anybody give a good solid reason for Conviction to be buffed? Bigger heal, why? We have dedicated healers for that. Bigger physical offense buff, +10% increase isn't good enough? A threat down that lets your entire group go absolutely nuts with DPS and no consequences isn't good enough either?
what you call opinion/feedback? Going a step further you could say bigger threat leach,why? We have guards for that....
Originally Posted by horus418
You've presented scenarios that reinforce your OPINION, you haven't nullified a thing. Disable all low level hots and see what raids look like. It's about adding up the little things, and there are lots of little things... You are preaching to the choir though, threat and me come first, if I have time for Conviction (if i'm tanking), it gets put in there.
I've presented scenarios where conviction is weak,many of them, and so far no one in this thread has provided one where it is actually needed. Everyone is like yea whatever it heals a little bit and has threat leach so why not use it whenever we can. Where did I say disable all low level hots? I play my rk only almost exclusively as a healer so I know what the value of low level hots is. The problem is that a 5 length gambit that has better alternatives is not worthy using for a low level hot, it needs something more.
So far no one has been able to challenge my argument about wardens helping the group with group heals more by making themselves sturdier and letting healer concentrate on the group as opposed to hogging heals and putting out a tiny group hot.
Originally Posted by horus418
See... I have tried using Conviction buffs in a real situation... it it works fantastically, almost too good in fact. Personally, I would like to change the heal to something else in Reck and Assail, but as is, Conviction buffs are very good in those stances. At least you FINALLY acknowledge the buffs here... What's wrong with the -threat buff?
I didn't acknowledge the reck/assl buffs because they're irrelevant to the discussion. We are talking about conviction while tanking which implies determination. So while tanking you'd have to stance dance which is very inefficient specially with the lag these days.
The problem with threat negation in raids is that it works only on your group and not the other 1. So people in your group could have 0 threat and you'd be fine and dandy but the champ doing 3k dps from the other group will be pulling stuff from you without much trouble. That is why even threat leaches in raids aren't that great(not saying they're useless), it's just better to(and I know I'm going to get flamed for this) hit an EoB.
4 pages later I have yet to see a genuine use for conviction other than "it helps a little tini tiny bit", if that is the only use for it then you guys can keep using it, and I won't tell you to top or flame you for using it, but that's not a good enough reason for me to use a 5 length gambit with better alternatives.
BS. Nobody said or implied that Conviction is the best gambit, (most), quite the contrary. EWE have been a part of the warden mob mentality since your bubble was burst with RoI. Sorry if some people don't want to buff the Conviction heal to such an absurd level as outlined in the OP. And ewe talk about making the game too easy... lol.
My bubble is still intact. I understand MMOs can cycle from bad to good and back
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