Thread: You feel as though you are being followed x 100

You feel as though you are being followed x 100...

I'm a hobbit burglar and am used to getting tracked a lot. But, since the changes to wargs and the introduction of store trackers, I am tracked to ridiculous extremes.

It is not unusual to get tracked 30 or 40 (or more) times in a 30 minute period. A long playing session can involve more than 100 tracks.

For me, it has become incredibly tedious game-play.


I suggest 3 changes:


1. You must be unstealthed before you can track anyone. Currently, Wargs (and Hunters) can sit at long range, in stealth and repeatedly track in total safety. Some people use tracking as an irritation tactic with no intention of attacking.

2. Stealth level should have some sort of counter effect on tracking. I prefer the idea of stealth level limiting the tracking range (while stealthed). However, chance of resisting a track might also be a good idea.

3. Whoever is tracking should be named. If someone is spam tracking me, then I want to thank them personally. It also gives an idea if its a solo or a pack after me.


I don't any of think these ideas are overpowered.

I am sure some Wargs will flame (when don't they?). However, Wargs lose some, gain some out of the proposition. Even, Turbine doesn't really lose out much. It will affect store bought trackers much less. So Turbine can still make a lot of cash out of those.

dude just roll a warg, mini, champ or sopmthing else.


The burg will never be good in pvp again. someone with a grudge wants it that way.


thats all you need to know.

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

dude just roll a warg, mini, champ or sopmthing else.


The burg will never be good in pvp again. someone with a grudge wants it that way.


thats all you need to know.

Just a little bit negative there!

Thanks for you input. However, I don't really think its relevant to the discussion on tracking.

Could we please keep it on topic and give Turbine some decent feedback.

It's worse as a man burg, since you then have Uruks and Wargs( since 90% of them bought Sense Prey in the store) spam tracking you.

I would love for stealth level to do something about tracking, but don't get your hopes up for any PvMP motivated changes to the Burglar class (or any class).

Originally Posted by Ashi

You feel as though you are being followed x 100...

I'm a hobbit burglar and am used to getting tracked a lot. But, since the changes to wargs and the introduction of store trackers, I am tracked to ridiculous extremes.

It is not unusual to get tracked 30 or 40 (or more) times in a 30 minute period. A long playing session can involve more than 100 tracks.

For me, it has become incredibly tedious game-play.


I suggest 3 changes:


1. You must be unstealthed before you can track anyone. Currently, Wargs (and Hunters) can sit at long range, in stealth and repeatedly track in total safety. Some people use tracking as an irritation tactic with no intention of attacking.

2. Stealth level should have some sort of counter effect on tracking. I prefer the idea of stealth level limiting the tracking range (while stealthed). However, chance of resisting a track might also be a good idea.

3. Whoever is tracking should be named. If someone is spam tracking me, then I want to thank them personally. It also gives an idea if its a solo or a pack after me.


I don't any of think these ideas are overpowered.

I am sure some Wargs will flame (when don't they?). However, Wargs lose some, gain some out of the proposition. Even, Turbine doesn't really lose out much. It will affect store bought trackers much less. So Turbine can still make a lot of cash out of those.

Kinda sad that player's proposed ideas have to accomodate Turbine's desire to make $ thru the store because they're marketing is so ineffective and poorly planned that they can't get enough subscriptions and new members :/

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

dude just roll a warg, mini, champ or sopmthing else.


The burg will never be good in pvp again. someone with a grudge wants it that way.


thats all you need to know.

Burgs still very powerfull stop making posts like this just cause your a bad player.

As for the tracking it blows and I like the idea of stealth lvl meaning more but they won't change anything.

Yup and I sit on the other side of the moors on my Warg and find myself being tracked by every Burg and Hunter around. So if you want it fixed for Wargs, then you should also reasonably fixed for Hunters and Burgs. I for one, think it just makes gameplay more interesting.

Burglars can still kill creeps fast and move around the map with ease. Hips x2 and evade if they need to.

There could be a stat called "Elusive Movements Rating" where you have a chance at not getting tracked. Passive x% on all classes. Can be improved by +% on maybe pvp armor, added to stealth trait for those classes or added to tracking trait for hunters, maybe a legacy. Would be reasonable that heavies wouldn't get this stat on any armor or trait or legacy because they aren't too elusive. same with WLs, Reavers.

The fix is simple. If you've been tracked, you gain track immunity for a short period of time. Just like stun immunity. It is ridiculous that you can be tracked, unstealth, restealth, and be tracked a second later. There needs to be some kind of a cooldown for BEING tracked, not on tracking. But that's me.

Originally Posted by vertigo07

There needs to be some kind of a cooldown for BEING tracked, not on tracking. But that's me.

Not just you. I think it's a great idea.

As a burglar we have great advantage from stealth an tracking is the counter defence of our stealth. I'm ok with tracking mechanics... the problem is the P2W stuff in store that allow everyone to track... that's the only thing that i would like be removed.

Originally Posted by vertigo07

The fix is simple. If you've been tracked, you gain track immunity for a short period of time. Just like stun immunity. It is ridiculous that you can be tracked, unstealth, restealth, and be tracked a second later. There needs to be some kind of a cooldown for BEING tracked, not on tracking. But that's me.

Great idea. Simple and fair. +1

Originally Posted by vertigo07

The fix is simple. If you've been tracked, you gain track immunity for a short period of time. Just like stun immunity. It is ridiculous that you can be tracked, unstealth, restealth, and be tracked a second later. There needs to be some kind of a cooldown for BEING tracked, not on tracking. But that's me.

/signed. Simple, workable, love it.

My take (I played both burg and hunter freeps and a warg at one time or another):

You shouldn't be notified at all that you are being tracked unless the tracker (or his group) is moving towards you. And it should tell you from whence they are coming...Someone is tracking you off to the east...

If you ARE being tracked, then the tracker cannot be in stealth, or at least not to you.

There should be a cover-your-tracks skill you can do out of combat and out of stealth that nullifies tracking. It would have some fair amount of cool-down and only available a fair distance from the tracker.

What pisses me off about the tracks more than anything else is simply when I'm scouting for my raid. If i'm trying to keep within eye shot of the creep raid to keep tabs on them, i get tracked...i used to be able to simply unstealth and restealth or hips and i was fine. However now, once they know you're there...they spam tracks and you simply cant keep tabs. I know some people go "oh it makes it more of a challenge"....if a challenge was what people really wanted, they wouldnt have tracks at all.

Completly agree, our tools have slowly been taken off us over the last few years...........Stealth (once our biggest weapon imo) is now worthless when any creep can spam track the hell outta you. Ive lost count of the number of times ive had to blow all cd's to escape a Zerg raid due to consistant tracks from classes shouldnt be able to and/or P2W numpties.

The changes should be across the board for any class either give a cd to stop spam tracking or if they are so desperate to take players money then create a pot which drops the track!!

Personally I would happily see it dissapear from the game, I see it abused way to much by the FOTM warg packs that have emerged due to the recent buff they got

I wont hold my breath......

towards tracking, honestly it's not a big huge deal, it's annoying, and absurd, i just hate how bugged they can be. honestly they should allowed wargs, and hunters to only track, since they basically have the racial and class spective to do so, towards the burg being useless in moors, i dont get how it's useful, to be honest most burgs that know their class in moors can take down a rank creep, big woopydoda, they get stronger as they level, tweak your character a bit more increasing damage and survivalility rather trolling the forums that it seems you dont even want to play the class the way it is designed, i rarely die most of the time to stupidity, that's the burgs problem, if you dont play smart, congrats you got yourself killed, welcome to the world of pvp, think before you commit.

Originally Posted by Brodrick

Yup and I sit on the other side of the moors on my Warg and find myself being tracked by every Burg and Hunter around. So if you want it fixed for Wargs, then you should also reasonably fixed for Hunters and Burgs. I for one, think it just makes gameplay more interesting.

This might be a noob question, but how can a burg track a warg?

Originally Posted by maedhros_sindar

This might be a noob question, but how can a burg track a warg?

Pay2Win

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Originally Posted by RainsLegacy

towards tracking, honestly it's not a big huge deal, it's annoying, and absurd, i just hate how bugged they can be. honestly they should allowed wargs, and hunters to only track, since they basically have the racial and class spective to do so, towards the burg being useless in moors, i dont get how it's useful, to be honest most burgs that know their class in moors can take down a rank creep, big woopydoda, they get stronger as they level, tweak your character a bit more increasing damage and survivalility rather trolling the forums that it seems you dont even want to play the class the way it is designed, i rarely die most of the time to stupidity, that's the burgs problem, if you dont play smart, congrats you got yourself killed, welcome to the world of pvp, think before you commit.

I love generic patronising posts like this, lets not address any issues with the class and just pretend that everything is fine..........I particularly like the bit about increase damage and survivability at the same time. Big gratz for that insightful post.

Originally Posted by RainsLegacy

towards tracking, honestly it's not a big huge deal, it's annoying, and absurd, i just hate how bugged they can be. honestly they should allowed wargs, and hunters to only track, since they basically have the racial and class spective to do so, towards the burg being useless in moors, i dont get how it's useful, to be honest most burgs that know their class in moors can take down a rank creep, big woopydoda, they get stronger as they level, tweak your character a bit more increasing damage and survivalility rather trolling the forums that it seems you dont even want to play the class the way it is designed, i rarely die most of the time to stupidity, that's the burgs problem, if you dont play smart, congrats you got yourself killed, welcome to the world of pvp, think before you commit.

LOL April 2011

if you are having problems with being spam tracked maybe you should change your playstyle...normally the ones i see that are being spam tracked either are star hugging, going to high traffic areas or just pissed off alot of ppl on the other side...

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

LOL April 2011

what does this have to do with anything??? do you think because someone didnt play as long as others that they dont know what they are talking about or something? being spam tracked is more of a problem now than it was before april 2011...

Burgs are fine in the moors atm, tracking or not? While stealth level should have some impact, you shouldn't have complete invisibility in stealth, people should be able to find you.

If getting tracked is a huge problem for you then try using the track to lure your opponent into a trap. Do that a couple of times and ppl might be less eager to hunt you with tracks. (trap for instance could be warg getting tracked backing down towards a large pack while calling for the pack to go forwards, effectively landing the trackers in the middle of a large pack they hadn't known was there) Replace warg with burglar and you've got a setup for at least 1 trap against a tracker.

If you're getting hunted by an entire raid or such, isn't it fair that you get caught? any other class would in that case, so why not stealth classes? also if you keep on running, going in and out of stealth when you get tracked, you still have a good chance at getting away.

Originally Posted by LEGOLAD

Burgs are fine in the moors atm, tracking or not? While stealth level should have some impact, you shouldn't have complete invisibility in stealth, people should be able to find you.

Just cant agree with this , Aldy is quite right , tracking is awful and the number of wargs that have appeared due to the massive buff they received is appalling and cant be good for the game .

However in the moors Burgs have been slowly but surely nerfed by some "burg hatin" "warg lovin" person at Turbine . If we have a burg developer there then I would suggest they resign as they have been about as much use to us as an ashtray on a motorbike !!

The last straw for me came when bags were incapable of being upgraded with crystals (gather that this is being dealt with today) its just one kick below the belt after another for me .

Just remove the ability to track a stealthed class for everyone other than the hunter and BA (even then they have to trait for it) . However stealth should play an important role . +11 stealth should mean you are incapable of being tracked by any class . At the moment its useless (may as well be +5 or lower) so the continued existence of stealth or even stealth level in the game is questionable

there are so many ways to escape although u got tracked alle the time.
i will not talk about them in the forum, try to find them out for yourself ;-)
or why not just save your cd's and die. it does not harm you in rl
an other way would be to learn to analyse situations better to not get in situations like those u describe.

Not so bad on E.

But anyway - Meh - I personally like more challenge.

It makes getting KB's all the more satisfying.

Oh and for the record. I'm a terrible PvPer..... But I still get out and have a go

Originally Posted by Ashi

You feel as though you are being followed x 100...

I'm a hobbit burglar and am used to getting tracked a lot. But, since the changes to wargs and the introduction of store trackers, I am tracked to ridiculous extremes.

It is not unusual to get tracked 30 or 40 (or more) times in a 30 minute period. A long playing session can involve more than 100 tracks.

For me, it has become incredibly tedious game-play.


I suggest 3 changes:


1. You must be unstealthed before you can track anyone. Currently, Wargs (and Hunters) can sit at long range, in stealth and repeatedly track in total safety. Some people use tracking as an irritation tactic with no intention of attacking.

2. Stealth level should have some sort of counter effect on tracking. I prefer the idea of stealth level limiting the tracking range (while stealthed). However, chance of resisting a track might also be a good idea.

3. Whoever is tracking should be named. If someone is spam tracking me, then I want to thank them personally. It also gives an idea if its a solo or a pack after me.


I don't any of think these ideas are overpowered.

I am sure some Wargs will flame (when don't they?). However, Wargs lose some, gain some out of the proposition. Even, Turbine doesn't really lose out much. It will affect store bought trackers much less. So Turbine can still make a lot of cash out of those.

Fully agree, now the burgs in the big servers don't feel it because they can just leave that fight and roam the map for kills but in the case of lesser populated servers like arkenstone iam in it sucks a big time now, i either roam the map for 2h to find 4 kills or just stick around the other groups and fights which means spam track like hell.

most of the wargs i fought just fully cowards really like they jump you and ones they are 50%hp its either hips or sprint lol so really the wargs alone not a problem but the packs/raids is kinda overkill for the hips of the burg and all what he has with Uruks and wargs spam tracking!

Originally Posted by Tirn

Just cant agree with this , Aldy is quite right , tracking is awful and the number of wargs that have appeared due to the massive buff they received is appalling and cant be good for the game .

However in the moors Burgs have been slowly but surely nerfed by some "burg hatin" "warg lovin" person at Turbine . If we have a burg developer there then I would suggest they resign as they have been about as much use to us as an ashtray on a motorbike !!

The last straw for me came when bags were incapable of being upgraded with crystals (gather that this is being dealt with today) its just one kick below the belt after another for me .

Just remove the ability to track a stealthed class for everyone other than the hunter and BA (even then they have to trait for it) . However stealth should play an important role . +11 stealth should mean you are incapable of being tracked by any class . At the moment its useless (may as well be +5 or lower) so the continued existence of stealth or even stealth level in the game is questionable

yeah i see your point, but we burgs still can win 9/10 fights with any class. anyway the wargs right now have many advantages on burgs like the run speed, tracking, stealth level and some of there skills really just pass through TAG without being evaded.

Originally Posted by Dawnsinger

If getting tracked is a huge problem for you then try using the track to lure your opponent into a trap. Do that a couple of times and ppl might be less eager to hunt you with tracks. (trap for instance could be warg getting tracked backing down towards a large pack while calling for the pack to go forwards, effectively landing the trackers in the middle of a large pack they hadn't known was there) Replace warg with burglar and you've got a setup for at least 1 trap against a tracker.

If you're getting hunted by an entire raid or such, isn't it fair that you get caught? any other class would in that case, so why not stealth classes? also if you keep on running, going in and out of stealth when you get tracked, you still have a good chance at getting away.

Burgs would be massive op without tracks tbh.....i suggest 1 fix keep tracks etc etc just introduce 1 more way to lose them (water) run in water drops the track ,i.e also can't be tracked in water will only help now and then while close to waters edge but we can't drop or limit been tracked jeez imagine ettons would be full of burgs again.

Warg stalkers feed on me alot ,tbh don't have to be that way i could easy scout edges of the less populated areas but i like the challenge ,stuff ratings take on the challenge.

Now come hunt me raptors

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

LOL April 2011

means nothing i been playing years...that's forum date.

This is why I quit playing the Burglar on my server. We have BA's and WL's EVERYWHERE. It's usually ends up coming down to being tracked 10 seconds after stealthing. Why do I even bother stealthing anymore -.-

A few things that a burg can currently do to help with spam tracking

- Run with good stealth lvl (+6 or better). If creeps don't get the message that there is something hidden nearby then they are less likely to track in the first place.

- Assuming you aren't in the middle of a bunch of hostile NPCs or a creep raid, if you are tracked while in stealth you should immediately mount up and ride away for 10s then dismount, stealth, and change directions.

- Be paranoid: You only get the tracking message if a creep selects your name from the tracking window. They can keep the window up (for 30s?) and watch the distance from you in the window as they move around to zero in on you without actually tracking you. Then when they are a couple of meters away from you they can select you from the tracking window and attack. If you suspect there is more than one creep around that can track you then after you throw off the first track wait about 10s and mount up again. Then ride off in another direction for 10s, dismount, and restealth. Do this a couple of times even if you haven't received the tracking message.

- If you are a hobbit, consider slotting the hobbit stealth racial trait. Its a fairly long cooldown, but hobbit stealth in on a separate cooldown from burg stealth. This means that if you are tracked while in burg stealth, you can unstealth and immediately use hobbit stealth to lose the track (No 10s delay waiting on stealth cd.) When you get retracked drop the hobbit stealth and you can immediately go back into burg stealth to lose the next track. If you are tracked again... you should be somewhere else on the map by now or you are just asking to be killed.

- If you are near a cliff or bridge etc, hit safe fall BEFORE you hips. If you use safe fall after you hips then it will break your stealth. If you hit safe fall before you hips then you have 10s to get to the cliff and drop to safety before your safe fall wears off.

- Creeps cant track when they are in combat. Lead them on a merry chase through some hostile npcs and they cant track you until they run the npcs off (or kill them). Use this time to make your escape.

- Be aware of the types of situations where stealth will (or will not) save you. If you are out solo and run into a creep raid that knows you are around and starts tracking you, then will be lucky to get away even if all of your cds are up. UPSHOT - You don't need to be in that area by yourself! If there are other freeps around then you just need to be out of the area before all of the other freeps are dead and the raid decides to focus on finding stealthed targets.

- Sometimes you are just going to die. It's the moors. If you don't want to die you probably shouldn't be in the moors. (I personally play pretty aggressively and don't particularly worry about ratings, but I have noticed that prior to RoI and audacity my rating was usually somewhere between 1.4 and 1.6. Now its usually somewhere between 1.6 and 1.8. Upshot: Im getting more kills per death then I was before all these changes...)

Originally Posted by Mystarr

A few things that a burg can currently do to help with spam tracking

- Run with good stealth lvl (+6 or better). If creeps don't get the message that there is something hidden nearby then they are less likely to track in the first place.

- Assuming you aren't in the middle of a bunch of hostile NPCs or a creep raid, if you are tracked while in stealth you should immediately mount up and ride away for 10s then dismount, stealth, and change directions.

- Be paranoid: You only get the tracking message if a creep selects your name from the tracking window. They can keep the window up (for 30s?) and watch the distance from you in the window as they move around to zero in on you without actually tracking you. Then when they are a couple of meters away from you they can select you from the tracking window and attack. If you suspect there is more than one creep around that can track you then after you throw off the first track wait about 10s and mount up again. Then ride off in another direction for 10s, dismount, and restealth. Do this a couple of times even if you haven't received the tracking message.

- If you are a hobbit, consider slotting the hobbit stealth racial trait. Its a fairly long cooldown, but hobbit stealth in on a separate cooldown from burg stealth. This means that if you are tracked while in burg stealth, you can unstealth and immediately use hobbit stealth to lose the track (No 10s delay waiting on stealth cd.) When you get retracked drop the hobbit stealth and you can immediately go back into burg stealth to lose the next track. If you are tracked again... you should be somewhere else on the map by now or you are just asking to be killed.

- If you are near a cliff or bridge etc, hit safe fall BEFORE you hips. If you use safe fall after you hips then it will break your stealth. If you hit safe fall before you hips then you have 10s to get to the cliff and drop to safety before your safe fall wears off.

- Creeps cant track when they are in combat. Lead them on a merry chase through some hostile npcs and they cant track you until they run the npcs off (or kill them). Use this time to make your escape.

- Be aware of the types of situations where stealth will (or will not) save you. If you are out solo and run into a creep raid that knows you are around and starts tracking you, then will be lucky to get away even if all of your cds are up. UPSHOT - You don't need to be in that area by yourself! If there are other freeps around then you just need to be out of the area before all of the other freeps are dead and the raid decides to focus on finding stealthed targets.

- Sometimes you are just going to die. It's the moors. If you don't want to die you probably shouldn't be in the moors. (I personally play pretty aggressively and don't particularly worry about ratings, but I have noticed that prior to RoI and audacity my rating was usually somewhere between 1.4 and 1.6. Now its usually somewhere between 1.6 and 1.8. Upshot: Im getting more kills per death then I was before all these changes...)

That is a very good post on how to play a Burglar in stealth !

However, I still stand by my original post - Burglars ARE TRACKED FAR TOO OFTEN.

Originally Posted by mattg18

what does this have to do with anything??? do you think because someone didnt play as long as others that they dont know what they are talking about or something? being spam tracked is more of a problem now than it was before april 2011...

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

LOL April 2011

+rep. Thank you! Someone finally noticed this.